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+xIt just amazes me that with a game that was so important to the image of the sport, the actions of a quite a few have essentially scored an own goal and will set us back further as a sport.
Like it or not, these kind of incidents are magnified by those that already have built a narrative about our sport, and to show such disrespect for this country and show facist behaviour like that is appalling. I am all for atmosphere and passion, but for all the noise, the actions of not just a few have brought to the fore some very worrying things that can’t easily be forgotten.
This was the sales window for a NSD and the game as a whole, but once again our game can be its own worst enemy.
Exactly, instead of everyone talking about the game, we talk about a few who want to continue their grand fathers fight in another land, so sad.
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So, a club is accountable for the actions of its fans as per the FA regulations and the sanctions can include exclusion from a competition. Are the actions of some of the SU58 fans worthy of the club being excluded from the Australia Cup for a period of time?
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+xSo, a club is accountable for the actions of its fans as per the FA regulations and the sanctions can include exclusion from a competition. Are the actions of some of the SU58 fans worthy of the club being excluded from the Australia Cup for a period of time? Yes because it continues, its Generational.
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+xGreat game tonight showing what could be great and is possible in Australian football. Ruined (in part) by wannabe Nazis, disrespectful behaviour to the anthem and the welcome to country. Good stuff fellas, way to shoot yourselves in the foot. I happen to think the welcome to country thing is overdone but would never be a enough of a fucking idiot to boo it and for good measure throw in a Nazi salute. WTF?! And I say this as an Australian with a Croatian father. Just embarassing. Was so hopeful for this game and finished watching it disappointed for the future of football in Australia. No criticism of the Sydney 58 players, they were great, just the Neanderthals in the crowd. No wonder the FA is reluctant. As soon as FA/APL Finally accept that they are not football supporters, they are politicians with a strong message. Its generational, life bans to the one that cause the trouble, go away! I don't care about your message, Piss Off!
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I have been highlighting this for years.
The Sydney Croatia ( and Melbourne knights fans) were just given rope so they could hang themselves on an international stage.
The cro football mafia in aus is very quick to talk themselves up and keep that chip on their shoulder, but refuse to properly condemn the nazi/Ustashi core and widespread element of their supporters / community.
Croatians overseas are embarrassed by it.
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+xSo, a club is accountable for the actions of its fans as per the FA regulations and the sanctions can include exclusion from a competition. Are the actions of some of the SU58 fans worthy of the club being excluded from the Australia Cup for a period of time? I saw in the FFA cup banners from knights fans referencing the Balkan war against Fitzroy (a Serb team). And chanting about the war. It’s absolutely cultural and to be honest pretty much the cultural identity of that large part of the diaspora here.
This nazi crap has been going on forever. They never learn and will act like everyone is out to get them. Happened at the tennis, when they book a nazi band at their social club etc
always the victims.
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Muz
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+xI have been highlighting this for years.
The Sydney Croatia ( and Melbourne knights fans) were just given rope so they could hang themselves on an international stage.
The cro football mafia in aus is very quick to talk themselves up and keep that chip on their shoulder, but refuse to properly condemn the nazi/Ustashi core and widespread element of their supporters / community.
Croatians overseas are embarrassed by it.
Not just overseas mate. My dear old Croatian dad (RIP) used to hate these idiots with a passion.
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+x+xI have been highlighting this for years.
The Sydney Croatia ( and Melbourne knights fans) were just given rope so they could hang themselves on an international stage.
The cro football mafia in aus is very quick to talk themselves up and keep that chip on their shoulder, but refuse to properly condemn the nazi/Ustashi core and widespread element of their supporters / community.
Croatians overseas are embarrassed by it.
Not just overseas mate. My dear old Croatian dad (RIP) used to hate these idiots with a passion. Hopefully this can lead to change and drastic steps, because there’s a lot of people like your old man in the community that are either fed up with that lot or had enough of them making them look like primitives.
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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/no-place-in-our-game-football-australia-criticises-fans-for-nazi-salutes-20221002-p5bmi0.htmlFootball Australia has criticised what it said was a “very small minority of fans” who were caught performing what appeared to be Nazi salutes and engaging in other anti-social behaviour during Saturday night’s Australia Cup final at CommBank Stadium.
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a "Football Australia spokesperson "
So this happens and nobody at FA wants to put their name to "criticizing " it ?
Geez ...
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It's a very fine balancing act.
We want the noise and colour, but deep down, we all know these incidents are always a mere step away.
So that leaves the FA in an invidious position. How do you encourage the noise and colour without these sorts of incidents arising every now and then, and knowing the MSM will be all over it.
A fraught path to navigate I would have thought.
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+xIt's a very fine balancing act. We want the noise and colour, but deep down, we all know these incidents are always a mere step away. So that leaves the FA in an invidious position. How do you encourage the noise and colour without these sorts of incidents arising every now and then, and knowing the MSM will be all over it. A fraught path to navigate I would have thought. No, This is not just anti-social behaviour, this is a problem with clubs like SU58, MK, CDfc, that have repeatedly suffered because of their fans and have at the same time have not been able to combat this problem effectively. Other Croat clubs have not had this problem to this extent that it needs to be sorted out in those club communities otherwise disbandment might have to be considered
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+x+xIt's a very fine balancing act. We want the noise and colour, but deep down, we all know these incidents are always a mere step away. So that leaves the FA in an invidious position. How do you encourage the noise and colour without these sorts of incidents arising every now and then, and knowing the MSM will be all over it. A fraught path to navigate I would have thought. No, This is not just anti-social behaviour, this is a problem with clubs like SU58, MK, CDfc, that have repeatedly suffered because of their fans and have at the same time have not been able to combat this problem effectively. Other Croat clubs have not had this problem to this extent that it needs to be sorted out in those club communities otherwise disbandment might have to be considered In this case it is one club that has caused the current problem. They have made it so so much harder for a 2nd Div to get major sponsorship. They need to be banned from the FA Cup and the 2nd Div for 2 years. Sets a standard. Solves a major problem. Makes a statement.
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+x+x+xIt's a very fine balancing act. We want the noise and colour, but deep down, we all know these incidents are always a mere step away. So that leaves the FA in an invidious position. How do you encourage the noise and colour without these sorts of incidents arising every now and then, and knowing the MSM will be all over it. A fraught path to navigate I would have thought. No, This is not just anti-social behaviour, this is a problem with clubs like SU58, MK, CDfc, that have repeatedly suffered because of their fans and have at the same time have not been able to combat this problem effectively. Other Croat clubs have not had this problem to this extent that it needs to be sorted out in those club communities otherwise disbandment might have to be considered In this case it is one club that has caused the current problem. They have made it so so much harder for a 2nd Div to get major sponsorship. They need to be banned from the FA Cup and the 2nd Div for 2 years. Sets a standard. Solves a major problem. Makes a statement. While it was an FA Cup game and the FA would run a NSD it is a Football NSW team. Maybe along with an FA cup ban imposed by the FA , Football NSW should consider relegation to Football NSW League Two Men's. Football needs a NSD and these fools have put back the chances of that happening markedly.
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Sydney United needs to be banned from being part of the NSD for a minimum of 5 years. Football Australia needs to clamp down hard now before it starts. Zero tolerance for spreading hate and pushing old ethnic ideologies from 2-3 generations ago.
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+xSydney United needs to be banned from being part of the NSD for a minimum of 5 years. Football Australia needs to clamp down hard now before it starts. Zero tolerance for spreading hate and pushing old ethnic ideologies from 2-3 generations ago. https://twitter.com/AAFClubs/status/1576447545357651968?cxt=HHwWgMCiwZWs1eArAAAA
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What potential sponsors of the talked- about new "second tier competition " are going to want to risk associating themselves with the type of bad publicity that has engulfed the australia cup final ?
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+xWhat potential sponsors of the talked- about new "second tier competition " are going to want to risk associating themselves with the type of bad publicity that has engulfed the australia cup final ? Um ......... maybe one of uncle Frank's side hustles may need world wide exposure? Doesn't the weird long haired son have a music youtube channel or something similar?
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What most people didn't want in a NSD was ALM youth teams. These actions almost certainly mean the current concept of a NSD is now dead in the water. That is not fault of the FA or the AAFC. I do blame the club and Football NSW as well as many in the media (with connections with the club) claiming they didn't know what goes on at the club.
TBH I suspect the ALM will now look at their own expansion AND an introduction of a Reserve league (mostly youth) run as part of the ALM. Put simply - a NSD will not happen now unless there is real and meaningful change at SU58 and other clubs that what to act similarly. Yes it was foreseeable (wasn't the lawnmower blades incident this season as well)
I will not discount existing NPL clubs being part of the expansion at all - in fact I would welcome it. But while there were few that could afford to play in a NSD there will be less in an expanded ALM (especially if they have to fly around reserve teams as well).
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+xWhat most people didn't want in a NSD was ALM youth teams. These actions almost certainly mean the current concept of a NSD is now dead in the water. That is not fault of the FA or the AAFC. I do blame the club and Football NSW as well as many in the media (with connections with the club) claiming they didn't know what goes on at the club.
TBH I suspect the ALM will now look at their own expansion AND an introduction of a Reserve league (mostly youth) run as part of the ALM. Put simply - a NSD will not happen now unless there is real and meaningful change at SU58 and other clubs that what to act similarly. Yes it was foreseeable (wasn't the lawnmower blades incident this season as well) I will not discount existing NPL clubs being part of the expansion at all - in fact I would welcome it. But while there were few that could afford to play in a NSD there will be less in an expanded ALM (especially if they have to fly around reserve teams as well). Interesting take, why would this stop the NSD from happening? Sam Krslovic was the president of Sydney Croatia (or at least on the board) when a few of these incidents have happened over the years but that didnt stop the FA from giving the bulls an ALeague license? Whats changed now?
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+x+xWhat most people didn't want in a NSD was ALM youth teams. These actions almost certainly mean the current concept of a NSD is now dead in the water. That is not fault of the FA or the AAFC. I do blame the club and Football NSW as well as many in the media (with connections with the club) claiming they didn't know what goes on at the club.
TBH I suspect the ALM will now look at their own expansion AND an introduction of a Reserve league (mostly youth) run as part of the ALM. Put simply - a NSD will not happen now unless there is real and meaningful change at SU58 and other clubs that what to act similarly. Yes it was foreseeable (wasn't the lawnmower blades incident this season as well) I will not discount existing NPL clubs being part of the expansion at all - in fact I would welcome it. But while there were few that could afford to play in a NSD there will be less in an expanded ALM (especially if they have to fly around reserve teams as well). Interesting take, why would this stop the NSD from happening? Sam Krslovic was the president of Sydney Croatia (or at least on the board) when a few of these incidents have happened over the years but that didnt stop the FA from giving the bulls an ALeague license? Whats changed now? The difference is that from all accounts many of the AAFC clubs while supportive of a NSD do not have the money. Any issues that take away potential sponsorship from the NSD will put the whole concept in danger. I have heard that only 6 clubs are 'financial enough' AND want to commit to a NSD. (this number may be wrong but it is what I have heard). Those clubs were probably banking on a substantial increase in sponsorship dollars - does that now happen? Then you have the FA and what they think. Watching JJ through the game he looked very chastened. What choices does he have now? If there are only a few clubs ready and willing for a NSD and we need more youth playing at a higher level what are the alternatives. TBH I wanted a NSD and a reserve league. Now I can only see a reserve league and a few spots for AAFC clubs in ALM expansion (Firsts and Reserves). This also means the ALM will run it so 'football results' which should have been a prime consideration in the NSD will now be below geographic spread issues.
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What a fucking shemozzle.
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Lol
A few idiots predictably being idiots and everyone recognising them as idiots.
Any violence ? Any actual damage to anything ?
Storm in a teacup.
SU will either get rid of this silly behaviour or they'll sink out of NSD.
Australian Snowflakes virtue signalling over nothing
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+xLol A few idiots predictably being idiots and everyone recognising them as idiots. Any violence ? Any actual damage to anything ? Storm in a teacup. SU will either get rid of this silly behaviour or they'll sink out of NSD. Australian Snowflakes virtue signalling over nothing Snow flakes? These idiots with hitler salutes, that's not acceptable. Do you have any morals or standards? You on the choof again pal.
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+x+xLol A few idiots predictably being idiots and everyone recognising them as idiots. Any violence ? Any actual damage to anything ? Storm in a teacup. SU will either get rid of this silly behaviour or they'll sink out of NSD. Australian Snowflakes virtue signalling over nothing Snow flakes? These idiots with hitler salutes, that's not acceptable. Do you have any morals or standards? You on the choof again pal. C'mon mate, Bozza isnt a racist, he made Dwight his best man for his 4th or 5th? marriage didnt he? 
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+x+x+xWhat most people didn't want in a NSD was ALM youth teams. These actions almost certainly mean the current concept of a NSD is now dead in the water. That is not fault of the FA or the AAFC. I do blame the club and Football NSW as well as many in the media (with connections with the club) claiming they didn't know what goes on at the club.
TBH I suspect the ALM will now look at their own expansion AND an introduction of a Reserve league (mostly youth) run as part of the ALM. Put simply - a NSD will not happen now unless there is real and meaningful change at SU58 and other clubs that what to act similarly. Yes it was foreseeable (wasn't the lawnmower blades incident this season as well) I will not discount existing NPL clubs being part of the expansion at all - in fact I would welcome it. But while there were few that could afford to play in a NSD there will be less in an expanded ALM (especially if they have to fly around reserve teams as well). Interesting take, why would this stop the NSD from happening? Sam Krslovic was the president of Sydney Croatia (or at least on the board) when a few of these incidents have happened over the years but that didnt stop the FA from giving the bulls an ALeague license? Whats changed now? The difference is that from all accounts many of the AAFC clubs while supportive of a NSD do not have the money. Any issues that take away potential sponsorship from the NSD will put the whole concept in danger. I have heard that only 6 clubs are 'financial enough' AND want to commit to a NSD. (this number may be wrong but it is what I have heard). Those clubs were probably banking on a substantial increase in sponsorship dollars - does that now happen? Then you have the FA and what they think. Watching JJ through the game he looked very chastened. What choices does he have now? If there are only a few clubs ready and willing for a NSD and we need more youth playing at a higher level what are the alternatives. TBH I wanted a NSD and a reserve league. Now I can only see a reserve league and a few spots for AAFC clubs in ALM expansion (Firsts and Reserves). This also means the ALM will run it so 'football results' which should have been a prime consideration in the NSD will now be below geographic spread issues. I get what you are saying but I dont believe that SU58 was one of the clubs "financial enough" in the first place.... Hope you are wrong but sadly you may not be....... I was hoping for an announcement this week but I guess FA would be holding fire for quite a while before doing anything now....
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Hope it goes viral that this will get swept under the carpet. 'Nothing to see folks just give us ur money and we are all friends!'
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+xHope it goes viral that this will get swept under the carpet. 'Nothing to see folks just give us ur money and we are all friends!' Maybe someone can leak images of all the "lifetime bans" that come out of this to the newspapers than the new dawn hardcore hooligans can stage walk outs in support of their fallen brethren?
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