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+x+x+xThat performance was better that the 2006 performance vs Italy. For a start, we played against 11 all game. Arnold did better than Guus with a far less talented team. 100% Besides a silly foul he was great. We should have defended a wide free kick better. He was almost our player of the tournament to be honest After Souttar I think so too. (Behich.) By the way sitting here a day after reading pages 5 to 19 have made for an interesting half hour. @Davide 82. Holy smokes mate, I hope you've calmed down by the time you wake up tomorrow morning.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCan't fault the effort of the players, all tournament. Left it all out there in every game. Arnold got his tactics right too- Cede possession (because the players can't keep it even if they tried), and play on the counter. Craig Foster praised everyone and said we would learn from this. Judging by the comments here we've reset our football development expectations, away from possession football and playing out from the back to absorbing pressure and counter-attacking. Not sure what else we learned that we didn't already know. Excellent results though. I'm not so sure about this. I think many on here want Australia to aspire to dominate games with the ball.
For the first time in a while, I have seen us play to our strengths. We played with a sense of realism. Hopefully our strengths in the future will be a squad full of technical players coupled with the mentality we've showed this WC. Well if that's true, they're not saying so. Yes Arnold did play to our strength, our mentality. He did what he had to with the cattle he had. Always said he is a better fit as a NT coach than Postecoglou who forces players into a game style rather than the fitting the game to the players. I'm less hopeful of having a squad full of technical players- 15 years of being promised it and ending up with possession in the 20's and long balls in the box in 2022. Wanting us to when we have developed the talent underneath is not the same as expecting these particular guys to do it vs Argentina I’m a knock out game.
So much needs to happen in the country to be ready for that and none of that can happen in the once every 4 year showpiece.
You must know this We set out do develop the talent 15 years ago. We've ended up with 42% possession against Tunisia, 31% against Denmark. These are teams we should be matching control of the ball. ( ignore France and Argentina) We are doing something wrong. Every Argentinian player is better on the ball than every Socceroo. Why is this? It is not because of the way we structure youth teams or competitions. It’s because of what we value in young individual players and how we coach their individual skills. To provide some context. Every Argentinian, or Brazilian, is possibly better on the ball than every player in any of the UEFA powerhouse international teams too. Maybe France and Spain are closer to them, but they are far better with close ball control than their domestic playing counterparts in the English, Italian and German leagues. Besides football being a religion in Argentina and Brazil , they also have a massive street football culture in these countries. Another facet of play compared to what I've recently identified as a problem in most UEFA teams, is that they select far too many tall players in any given team, apart from Portugal and Spain, and maybe the Netherlands. Argentina's shorter players with a lower centre of gravity, are more nimble on their feet, able to change direction more quickly, and can turn more quickly. Ditto Brazil. Two facets of first touch are to stop it dead, and , to turn away from the opponent as one simultaneously receives the ball. At least we select shorter players like Behich, Kuol and Maclaren. In a country like Australia where football is at best the 5th most popular sport behind AFL, league, union and cricket, we lose a much larger percentage of talented sportspersons to theses codes than nearly every other country in the World Cup. Plus there is virtually no money for youth development, because AFL takes most of the financial resources, trying to improve the standard for a sport nobody else plays in the world. Governments also put a lot money into Olympic sports too. Apologies to residents of NSW and the ACT. You probably have no idea how AFL enjoys its hegemony in the southern states that it does. Queensland is becoming an AFL state. Incorrect, the aim of the first touch is not to stop it dead, it is so that the ball is left in the correct position so that your second touch is effective. This generally means your first touch takes the ball slightly away from you in the direction you want to go. If you stop it dead, the ball will be too close to your body normally and you will need another touch to get the ball into position to move it in your desired direction. I agree with you. The first touch is definitely not to stop it dead. You want to cushion it either so the next time you touch it you're already moving or you move the ball away from a defender and towards safety. In fact stopping the ball 'dead' just about anywhere on the field is the last thing you want to do.
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+xAt least we select shorter players like Behich, Kuol and Maclaren. In a country like Australia where football is at best the 5th most popular sport behind AFL, league, union and cricket, we lose a much larger percentage of talented sportspersons to theses codes than nearly every other country in the World Cup.
This is also wrong. Football is more popular than all of those sports at youth level. Union is largely only played by private school lads, local comps are almost non-existent and largely confined to the old boys network and the leafier suburbs of Sydney. The population argument doesn't hold water. Even if you said we have 4 major codes if you split the population by 4 you'd have 6 million people to draw on. Well Croatia, Costa Rica, Wales and Uruguay and other countries, like Iceland, have populations less than that and pump out players way better than us.
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+xI've just paused and rewound the post match footage numerous times. As soon as the whistle went, Hrustic went nuts at someone on the bench and walked past Arnold. Arnold was a bit preoccupied anyway. Post game on the field he wasn't to be seen. I counted 25 players. I get his injuries have been frustrating but this boilover and berating team mates needs to be clairifed very quickly. Kuol couldn't see him, Karacic was right to call for the pass. That's a bit worrying - I personally think that's incredibly poor, although it could be said that everyone handles getting knocked out of the world cup in their own way. I'm happy to give him benefit of the doubt that he made up afterwards, but his poor performances haven't been lost on me over the last year or so. I understand many people's want for a specialist #10 for Roos, but imo I think we're equally or better served by simply playing a DM and two #8s since we have lots of creativity on the wings from Tilio, Kuol, Boyle, Goodwin. Rogic and Hrustic are the only players who stand out to me as specialist #10s that have Roos experience, McGree has played there but he's proven to be more effective a bit deeper for both Boro and the Roos. If we gave a dedicated 10 that's comes through, great, but I don't think we have to pigeon hole players into a position they don't fit if there's a more functional system
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+xTalking of first touches here, reading the comments and watching the replay this morning had me agreeing. There were 2 specific instances last night that had me thinking we are just not at the same level. There was the long ball early in the game to Leckie on the right wing where he tried to bring it down on his right and it just went straight out and then Maclaren had a chance in the middle of the box very late to control it and clobber it and it bounced up over head. It's those moments that separate hard working, honest players vs world beaters and challengers for the title. We're not there unfortunately. But we can be. Yep I remember the Leckie incident.It was such a good pass and his miscontrol was dreadful.I missed Maclaren's effort but both incidents emphasise the lack of technique of some of our players.
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Saw the Maclaren one watching the replay. A world class striker would've dislocated their ankle to get laces on it and score. Maclaren definitely took it wrongly. He was afforded a bit of space too. Wish he'd tried it first time. You never know.
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+xSaw the Maclaren one watching the replay. A world class striker would've dislocated their ankle to get laces on it and score. Maclaren definitely took it wrongly. He was afforded a bit of space too. Wish he'd tried it first time. You never know. 89th minute for anyone interested. Took it behind him but in plenty of space and took a Leckie touch. FIFA World Cup 2022 | SBS On Demand
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+x+x+xMonths back now but was it Mabil and maybe Hrustic who had that half time argument on the pitch? Against China or Oman I think. Anyway there's some evidence that when Hrustic was being used as the lead and star of the team that things were also on shaky ground. Teams inevitably have cliques. I just hope they're all on the same page. It's a nice thing that Metcalfe is coming through and Genreau needs to get his club minutes sorted. Hrustic has played and is playing at a higher level than any of his team mates. Maybe that's his expectation of his team mates, to be at a similar, or at least better level, than they are. So what? He's recovering from injury. Otherwise he's be a lock to start each game.
Hrustic has failed to match his Socceroo teammates on the biggest stage of football - the World Cup. If he can't transfer his form to the biggest stage, it does not matter where he plays his club football. His game sense is decidedly inferior to that of most of his Socceroo teammates, despite being a good technician. The highest standard of football is played in the Champions League. The tier below it is the Europa League.-Hrustic scored in the penalty shoot out in the Final of that competition that his club won last year.Ask players from Italy, Belgium, Germany and Denmark? If you can't perform in the World Cup, why is playing at a big club in a reputed big league so good? Ideally performing well in both would be the aim of most players.
What is the big deal about playing in Serie A? The national Italian team hasn't been good enough to qualify for the last 2 World Cups. Serie A is better standard than the Scottish Premier League: 5 of our starting 11 play in the SPL. Add Atkinson and Boyle and that would make it 7 out of 11. I'd rather they were good enough to make it i Serie A, like Volpato.
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+x+x+xMooy and Irvine were garbage.. Behich is what how experienced? and how old? and he made errors like a rookie that cost us the game. Irvine should have been replaced he was gassed so was Mooy. Mooy stopped taking free kicks. I mean what kind of world class player does that in what supposed to be joga bonito the World Cup greatest competition in the world. Should be up for it. Decentric talking about Rogic ... a player who doesn't give a shit about Aussie football. Conversely, great seeing Duke, Leckie and Goodwin score though. Players that actually proud of their country and want to be there. Is that a fact? He's played 53 times for the Socceroos. even if him playing for the Socceroos has negatively affected his club performances. Yeah like we say Messi's NT appearances have affected his club performances? not sure I get you there but sounds like typical excuse making. We could write a book on all the excuse making in the Socceroos, why this and that. I've followed his career on and off at Celtic. His form repeatedly declined on return from Socceroo duties and often cost him his place in the starting team.
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+x+xAt least we select shorter players like Behich, Kuol and Maclaren. In a country like Australia where football is at best the 5th most popular sport behind AFL, league, union and cricket, we lose a much larger percentage of talented sportspersons to theses codes than nearly every other country in the World Cup.
This is also wrong. Football is more popular than all of those sports at youth level. Union is largely only played by private school lads, local comps are almost non-existent and largely confined to the old boys network and the leafier suburbs of Sydney. The population argument doesn't hold water. Even if you said we have 4 major codes if you split the population by 4 you'd have 6 million people to draw on. Well Croatia, Costa Rica, Wales and Uruguay and other countries, like Iceland, have populations less than that and pump out players way better than us. We lack their football culture. Go ask the Croatian and the Uruguanians supporters to critically evaluate our players. I doubt they would want anyone of ours in their squad. Most of our squad would be culled away from their national teams at the youth levels before they got anywhere near their national team. Yes we jag results here and there, and they slip up, but our type of players are not the way they would do it.
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+x+xSaw the Maclaren one watching the replay. A world class striker would've dislocated their ankle to get laces on it and score. Maclaren definitely took it wrongly. He was afforded a bit of space too. Wish he'd tried it first time. You never know. 89th minute for anyone interested. Took it behind him but in plenty of space and took a Leckie touch. FIFA World Cup 2022 | SBS On Demand Haha. Basheer literally called him Leckie..
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+xI've just paused and rewound the post match footage numerous times. As soon as the whistle went, Hrustic went nuts at someone on the bench and walked past Arnold. Arnold was a bit preoccupied anyway. Post game on the field he wasn't to be seen. I counted 25 players. I get his injuries have been frustrating but this boilover and berating team mates needs to be clairifed very quickly. Kuol couldn't see him, Karacic was right to call for the pass. Who he thinks he is....Messi, Zidane?!! Ive been saying the past 2 years Hrustic never good for the national team. At least Rogic showed some creativity and skills. If that's his issues with ego and temper he shouldn't be near the national team. The biggest mistake Arnie made in this world cup is playing Hrustic . Should have been someone else as Hrustic contributed nothing and zero impact in these 4 games.
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Ive just read 6-7 pages post match of football specific techno babble statistical garbage..... no comment. So proud of the lads, they did their best and despite our limitations earned the respect of the majority of the football world. Yes Goodwins goal was a 90 degree deflection, yes Mooy looked absolutely cooked, yes Messi is un-playable at times but also we scared the fucken shit out of them in the last 10 mins...... Hrustic was right to be furious, Ryan had a great 3.5 games and the poor bloke shouldnt blame himself for a one off howler, it happens. Kuol's take down of the ball, turn away from his man and shot at the very end is THE MOMENT of the WC for me..... Nothing any of the Roos did before that was as "jogo bonito"... People bagging him out for missing should re-evaluate their lives. Well done Graham Arnold. Well done JJ and FA for having faith in GA. Well done to the 26 HEROES who represented ALL OF US, with pride and determination.....
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So, who's up coming and push into this squad ?.
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+x+xAt least we select shorter players like Behich, Kuol and Maclaren. In a country like Australia where football is at best the 5th most popular sport behind AFL, league, union and cricket, we lose a much larger percentage of talented sportspersons to theses codes than nearly every other country in the World Cup.
This is also wrong. Football is more popular than all of those sports at youth level. Union is largely only played by private school lads, local comps are almost non-existent and largely confined to the old boys network and the leafier suburbs of Sydney. The population argument doesn't hold water. Even if you said we have 4 major codes if you split the population by 4 you'd have 6 million people to draw on. Well Croatia, Costa Rica, Wales and Uruguay and other countries, like Iceland, have populations less than that and pump out players way better than us. 100% this,
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+x+xI've just paused and rewound the post match footage numerous times. As soon as the whistle went, Hrustic went nuts at someone on the bench and walked past Arnold. Arnold was a bit preoccupied anyway. Post game on the field he wasn't to be seen. I counted 25 players. I get his injuries have been frustrating but this boilover and berating team mates needs to be clairifed very quickly. Kuol couldn't see him, Karacic was right to call for the pass. That's a bit worrying - I personally think that's incredibly poor, although it could be said that everyone handles getting knocked out of the world cup in their own way. I'm happy to give him benefit of the doubt that he made up afterwards, but his poor performances haven't been lost on me over the last year or so. I understand many people's want for a specialist #10 for Roos, but imo I think we're equally or better served by simply playing a DM and two #8s since we have lots of creativity on the wings from Tilio, Kuol, Boyle, Goodwin. Rogic and Hrustic are the only players who stand out to me as specialist #10s that have Roos experience, McGree has played there but he's proven to be more effective a bit deeper for both Boro and the Roos. If we gave a dedicated 10 that's comes through, great, but I don't think we have to pigeon hole players into a position they don't fit if there's a more functional system Do teams play with a central number 10 these days? The last one might have been Ozil.
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+xSo, who's up coming and push into this squad ?. Metcalf for sure. Genreau maybe. Neuwanhoff. A new GK. The left back that left Sydney FC as a the next big thing and is now in a Tier two league in Europe whose name I forgot. Volpato.
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+x+xI've just paused and rewound the post match footage numerous times. As soon as the whistle went, Hrustic went nuts at someone on the bench and walked past Arnold. Arnold was a bit preoccupied anyway. Post game on the field he wasn't to be seen. I counted 25 players. I get his injuries have been frustrating but this boilover and berating team mates needs to be clairifed very quickly. Kuol couldn't see him, Karacic was right to call for the pass. Who he thinks he is....Messi, Zidane?!! Ive been saying the past 2 years Hrustic never good for the national team. At least Rogic showed some creativity and skills. If that's his issues with ego and temper he shouldn't be near the national team. The biggest mistake Arnie made in this world cup is playing Hrustic . Should have been someone else as Hrustic contributed nothing and zero impact in these 4 games. I reckon Langerak gets a finger tip to the Messi goal and kicks the second one into row Z.
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+x+x+x+xThat performance was better that the 2006 performance vs Italy. For a start, we played against 11 all game. Arnold did better than Guus with a far less talented team. 100% Besides a silly foul he was great. We should have defended a wide free kick better. He was almost our player of the tournament to be honest @Davide 82. Holy smokes mate, I hope you've calmed down by the time you wake up tomorrow morning. Besides the hung drawn and quartered line which was clearly a joke as the end of the sentence was "or at least have his passport revoked" indicating I wasn't being serious I don't think I said anything to regret. I genuinely do think he should move on and never play for us again and in that moment (and a little bit still now) I hated him. I have calmed down obviously and feel really sad for ryan on a personal level. On a human level because I am not a monster. I teared up watching him interviewed. Nobody should have to live with that on their shoulders and I could never deal with that pressure.
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+x+x+x+xMooy and Irvine were garbage.. Behich is what how experienced? and how old? and he made errors like a rookie that cost us the game. Irvine should have been replaced he was gassed so was Mooy. Mooy stopped taking free kicks. I mean what kind of world class player does that in what supposed to be joga bonito the World Cup greatest competition in the world. Should be up for it. Decentric talking about Rogic ... a player who doesn't give a shit about Aussie football. Conversely, great seeing Duke, Leckie and Goodwin score though. Players that actually proud of their country and want to be there. Is that a fact? He's played 53 times for the Socceroos. even if him playing for the Socceroos has negatively affected his club performances. Yeah like we say Messi's NT appearances have affected his club performances? not sure I get you there but sounds like typical excuse making. We could write a book on all the excuse making in the Socceroos, why this and that. I've followed his career on and off at Celtic. His form repeatedly declined on return from Socceroo duties and often cost him his place in the starting team. Well you're not the only one to follow his career. His form didn't decline to the extent you're letting on and Aussie players have played for the NT while in club limbo before.
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+xIve just read 6-7 pages post match of football specific techno babble statistical garbage..... no comment. So proud of the lads, they did their best and despite our limitations earned the respect of the majority of the football world. Yes Goodwins goal was a 90 degree deflection, yes Mooy looked absolutely cooked, yes Messi is un-playable at times but also we scared the fucken shit out of them in the last 10 mins...... Hrustic was right to be furious, Ryan had a great 3.5 games and the poor bloke shouldnt blame himself for a one off howler, it happens. Kuol's take down of the ball, turn away from his man and shot at the very end is THE MOMENT of the WC for me..... Nothing any of the Roos did before that was as "jogo bonito"... People bagging him out for missing should re-evaluate their lives. Well done Graham Arnold. Well done JJ and FA for having faith in GA. Well done to the 26 HEROES who represented ALL OF US, with pride and determination..... Great post. Agree with all of it
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+x+x+x+x+xMooy and Irvine were garbage.. Behich is what how experienced? and how old? and he made errors like a rookie that cost us the game. Irvine should have been replaced he was gassed so was Mooy. Mooy stopped taking free kicks. I mean what kind of world class player does that in what supposed to be joga bonito the World Cup greatest competition in the world. Should be up for it. Decentric talking about Rogic ... a player who doesn't give a shit about Aussie football. Conversely, great seeing Duke, Leckie and Goodwin score though. Players that actually proud of their country and want to be there. Is that a fact? He's played 53 times for the Socceroos. even if him playing for the Socceroos has negatively affected his club performances. Yeah like we say Messi's NT appearances have affected his club performances? not sure I get you there but sounds like typical excuse making. We could write a book on all the excuse making in the Socceroos, why this and that. I've followed his career on and off at Celtic. His form repeatedly declined on return from Socceroo duties and often cost him his place in the starting team. Well you're not the only one to follow his career. His form didn't decline to the extent you're letting on and Aussie players have played for the NT while in club limbo before. Until I know otherwise I'm assuming Arnold didn't pick him.
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+x+xIve just read 6-7 pages post match of football specific techno babble statistical garbage..... no comment. So proud of the lads, they did their best and despite our limitations earned the respect of the majority of the football world. Yes Goodwins goal was a 90 degree deflection, yes Mooy looked absolutely cooked, yes Messi is un-playable at times but also we scared the fucken shit out of them in the last 10 mins...... Hrustic was right to be furious, Ryan had a great 3.5 games and the poor bloke shouldnt blame himself for a one off howler, it happens. Kuol's take down of the ball, turn away from his man and shot at the very end is THE MOMENT of the WC for me..... Nothing any of the Roos did before that was as "jogo bonito"... People bagging him out for missing should re-evaluate their lives. Well done Graham Arnold. Well done JJ and FA for having faith in GA. Well done to the 26 HEROES who represented ALL OF US, with pride and determination..... Great post. Agree with all of it :) Leaving AAMI yesterday morning was the first time in YEARS I felt like an Australian football supporter...... Had a lovely chat with a couple of Melbourne Victory lads, shared a dart with a mum and daughter who where watching their first ever soccer game (isnt it just sooo exciting, the flares and the passion?) and had a young Argentinian dude and his girlfriend comment on my half'n'half Greece Australia scarf that they felt exactly the same way...... If nothing else, I now have a smidgen of hope for the game moving forward.......
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+x+x+xAt least we select shorter players like Behich, Kuol and Maclaren. In a country like Australia where football is at best the 5th most popular sport behind AFL, league, union and cricket, we lose a much larger percentage of talented sportspersons to theses codes than nearly every other country in the World Cup.
This is also wrong. Football is more popular than all of those sports at youth level. Union is largely only played by private school lads, local comps are almost non-existent and largely confined to the old boys network and the leafier suburbs of Sydney. The population argument doesn't hold water. Even if you said we have 4 major codes if you split the population by 4 you'd have 6 million people to draw on. Well Croatia, Costa Rica, Wales and Uruguay and other countries, like Iceland, have populations less than that and pump out players way better than us. 100% this, Really? Countries like Uruguay are wedged in between football powerhouses (Brazil and Argentina) where nothing else matters. They're constantly exposed to quality opposition at a short distance. Not saying there's not a lot more we can do, but that's no comparison.
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+x+x+x+x+xThat performance was better that the 2006 performance vs Italy. For a start, we played against 11 all game. Arnold did better than Guus with a far less talented team. 100% Besides a silly foul he was great. We should have defended a wide free kick better. He was almost our player of the tournament to be honest @Davide 82. Holy smokes mate, I hope you've calmed down by the time you wake up tomorrow morning. Besides the hung drawn and quartered line which was clearly a joke as the end of the sentence was "or at least have his passport revoked" indicating I wasn't being serious I don't think I said anything to regret. I genuinely do think he should move on and never play for us again and in that moment (and a little bit still now) I hated him. I have calmed down obviously and feel really sad for ryan on a personal level. On a human level because I am not a monster. I teared up watching him interviewed. Nobody should have to live with that on their shoulders and I could never deal with that pressure. Lucas Neill couldn't live with it and I dare say Matt Ryan will be the same.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCan't fault the effort of the players, all tournament. Left it all out there in every game. Arnold got his tactics right too- Cede possession (because the players can't keep it even if they tried), and play on the counter. Craig Foster praised everyone and said we would learn from this. Judging by the comments here we've reset our football development expectations, away from possession football and playing out from the back to absorbing pressure and counter-attacking. Not sure what else we learned that we didn't already know. Excellent results though. I'm not so sure about this. I think many on here want Australia to aspire to dominate games with the ball.
For the first time in a while, I have seen us play to our strengths. We played with a sense of realism. Hopefully our strengths in the future will be a squad full of technical players coupled with the mentality we've showed this WC. Well if that's true, they're not saying so. Yes Arnold did play to our strength, our mentality. He did what he had to with the cattle he had. Always said he is a better fit as a NT coach than Postecoglou who forces players into a game style rather than the fitting the game to the players. I'm less hopeful of having a squad full of technical players- 15 years of being promised it and ending up with possession in the 20's and long balls in the box in 2022. Wanting us to when we have developed the talent underneath is not the same as expecting these particular guys to do it vs Argentina I’m a knock out game.
So much needs to happen in the country to be ready for that and none of that can happen in the once every 4 year showpiece.
You must know this We set out do develop the talent 15 years ago. We've ended up with 42% possession against Tunisia, 31% against Denmark. These are teams we should be matching control of the ball. ( ignore France and Argentina) We are doing something wrong. Every Argentinian player is better on the ball than every Socceroo. Why is this? It is not because of the way we structure youth teams or competitions. It’s because of what we value in young individual players and how we coach their individual skills. To provide some context. Every Argentinian, or Brazilian, is possibly better on the ball than every player in any of the UEFA powerhouse international teams too. Maybe France and Spain are closer to them, but they are far better with close ball control than their domestic playing counterparts in the English, Italian and German leagues. Besides football being a religion in Argentina and Brazil , they also have a massive street football culture in these countries. I agree with everything you say. But seriously, how do you explain every other country (pretty much) having better skills than us. It’s no coincidence that possibly our most skilful player of the past 15 years had a background in Futsal. It’s just frustrating that if we could just improve the individual skills side by 20%, our strength and grit could be the descriminator in games like this.
Meanwhile, we are focused on whether our youth team should play 4-3-3 or 3-5-1-1 or whatever formation is this year’s fashion.
Make the individual players better and the rest will follow. The football boffins in Australia thought that from following the UEFA world powerhouses, that 4-3-3 and its variations was the best formation to create technical players. The tenet that it is predicated on, is that there are triangles and diamonds inherent in the variations of this formation. France, Spain, Netherlands, Denmark, Belgium and Germany 4-2-3-1, use it as the development formation for youth. Finally, another premise is that if one learns to play the 4-3-3 variations, which is difficult with the inherent triangles, it is easier to play formations that are not 4-3-3. I have a sneaking suspicion that most players know what a triangle is, and that the best players in the world don’t find it too difficult to play in different formations. You can just imagine a young Aussie Messi being dropped from the Under 12 development squad because he strayed out of position too often, or insisted on dribbling past his opponent rather than passing back to a teammate in the triangle.
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+xIve just read 6-7 pages post match of football specific techno babble statistical garbage..... no comment. So proud of the lads, they did their best and despite our limitations earned the respect of the majority of the football world. Yes Goodwins goal was a 90 degree deflection, yes Mooy looked absolutely cooked, yes Messi is un-playable at times but also we scared the fucken shit out of them in the last 10 mins...... Hrustic was right to be furious, Ryan had a great 3.5 games and the poor bloke shouldnt blame himself for a one off howler, it happens. Kuol's take down of the ball, turn away from his man and shot at the very end is THE MOMENT of the WC for me..... Nothing any of the Roos did before that was as "jogo bonito"... People bagging him out for missing should re-evaluate their lives. Well done Graham Arnold. Well done JJ and FA for having faith in GA. Well done to the 26 HEROES who represented ALL OF US, with pride and determination..... 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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+xIve just read 6-7 pages post match of football specific techno babble statistical garbage..... no comment. So proud of the lads, they did their best and despite our limitations earned the respect of the majority of the football world. Yes Goodwins goal was a 90 degree deflection, yes Mooy looked absolutely cooked, yes Messi is un-playable at times but also we scared the fucken shit out of them in the last 10 mins...... Hrustic was right to be furious, Ryan had a great 3.5 games and the poor bloke shouldnt blame himself for a one off howler, it happens. Kuol's take down of the ball, turn away from his man and shot at the very end is THE MOMENT of the WC for me..... Nothing any of the Roos did before that was as "jogo bonito"... People bagging him out for missing should re-evaluate their lives.Well done Graham Arnold. Well done JJ and FA for having faith in GA. Well done to the 26 HEROES who represented ALL OF US, with pride and determination..... Could not agree more, if he scores people would be raving about THAT TAKE DOWN!!!! What have you done to the real MONO?
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+x+xIve just read 6-7 pages post match of football specific techno babble statistical garbage..... no comment. So proud of the lads, they did their best and despite our limitations earned the respect of the majority of the football world. Yes Goodwins goal was a 90 degree deflection, yes Mooy looked absolutely cooked, yes Messi is un-playable at times but also we scared the fucken shit out of them in the last 10 mins...... Hrustic was right to be furious, Ryan had a great 3.5 games and the poor bloke shouldnt blame himself for a one off howler, it happens. Kuol's take down of the ball, turn away from his man and shot at the very end is THE MOMENT of the WC for me..... Nothing any of the Roos did before that was as "jogo bonito"... People bagging him out for missing should re-evaluate their lives.Well done Graham Arnold. Well done JJ and FA for having faith in GA. Well done to the 26 HEROES who represented ALL OF US, with pride and determination..... Could not agree more, if he scores people would be raving about THAT TAKE DOWN!!!! What have you done to the real MONO? hahahahahahah Ive watched the replayed moment a couple of times now..... bloody hell I think this kid is going to be a wonder....
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