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+x+xDrink driving from events, drunk and disorderly, assault, domestic abuse all have alcohol as a contributing factor, and all may effect secondary parties. I would go as far as to say flares are less of an issue then alcohol when discussing football. This is a typical "false dichotomy" argument that is used to deceive simple-minded folk. When A and B are big problems, it is a false dichotomy to say that B is ok, because A is worse than B. e.g. Nuclear bombs kill more people than chemical weapons, so chemical weapons are less of an issue. Because these type of false arguments are used by people in casual conversation -- and we see it in the media so often -- people use this type of false reasoning particularly when making life-or-death choices. It might seem trivial to point out a false-dichotomy argument in a football forum, but the same people use this false-dichotomy reasoning when it comes to massive issues that affect society and the destiny of Australia and the world. I don't see it as a false dichotomy. I see it as a genuine comparison. We have 2 products that is not only enhancing our Matchday experience but when utilized incorrectly may become dangerous to multiple parties. There may be better ways to ensure these things are done in the future (like we have done with alcohol) should we not look at the options so as to ensure our experience remains improved? or should we just strike it because it's too hard?
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PGR
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+x+xWell I’d probably go to the live sites with my buddies but I wouldn’t take the lass of little kids There where 18 of us (mostly kids) at AAMI (tried to get into Fed Square but got turned away at 5am) and the kids loved it..... Now that it seems FA is "turning a blind eye" and no chance of Hellas getting point deductions I might smuggle a few into NPL games next season and let the littlies learn how to rip them properly :) Hellas has always turned a blind eye to flares.
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Kamaryn
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PGR
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+xyep I love the vibes flares bring, just got to get those idiots who throw them but no way ban them bring it I say. Was talking to a few of the young player supporters I know yesterday having gone to Darling Harbour - SM they are all in the know, they said Bunnings had sold out and other stores lol......... Go you good thing I say :) Until there is a system that knows how to "get those idiots" it will always remain a danger and illegal
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Remote Control
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Why doesn' t the FA / APL just allow them ? Doesn' t every other country allow them ?
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Melbcityguy
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+xWhy doesn' t the FA / APL just allow them ? Doesn' t every other country allow them ? Where did you read anybody banned it?
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PGR
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+xWhy doesn' t the FA / APL just allow them ? Doesn' t every other country allow them ? Absolutely not. Just look at the atmosphere at Japanese J League games, absolutely brilliant and all without flares.
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+xWhy doesn' t the FA / APL just allow them ? Doesn' t every other country allow them ? Surely not every other country. England, Germany and Spain definetly dont allow flares.
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Flytox
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Flares at the football do nothing for me. I go to watch the game.
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Remote Control
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+x+xWhy doesn' t the FA / APL just allow them ? Doesn' t every other country allow them ? Where did you read anybody banned it? Are you saying they aren' t banned ?
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tomw
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+x+x+xWhy doesn' t the FA / APL just allow them ? Doesn' t every other country allow them ? Where did you read anybody banned it? Are you saying they aren' t banned ? They're banned in the same way that automatic weapons are banned. In that there is a law banning their use, rather than a rule brought in by the club, stadium or other private entity.
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Monoethnic Social Club
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+x+x+xWell I’d probably go to the live sites with my buddies but I wouldn’t take the lass of little kids There where 18 of us (mostly kids) at AAMI (tried to get into Fed Square but got turned away at 5am) and the kids loved it..... Now that it seems FA is "turning a blind eye" and no chance of Hellas getting point deductions I might smuggle a few into NPL games next season and let the littlies learn how to rip them properly :) Hellas has always turned a blind eye to flares. Sure, but its the FA that threatens point deductions and true fans care about how their actions affect the teams position on the ladder...
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Monoethnic Social Club
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+x+xWhy doesn' t the FA / APL just allow them ? Doesn' t every other country allow them ? Surely not every other country. England, Germany and Spain definetly dont allow flares. Um, Im fairly certain that the use of pyrotechnics in a public space is not allowed in ANY country... Those madcap ultras don't submit an application to the stadium manager and get a permit from the local police chief to rip flares..... they just do it.
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Davide82
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+x+xWhy doesn' t the FA / APL just allow them ? Doesn' t every other country allow them ? Absolutely not. Just look at the atmosphere at Japanese J League games, absolutely brilliant and all without flares. I have this strange feeling that Paul is now talking to himself. Just an observation
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Enzo Bearzot
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Haven't seen flares since the 70's. Are they back in?
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PGR
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+x+x+xWhy doesn' t the FA / APL just allow them ? Doesn' t every other country allow them ? Absolutely not. Just look at the atmosphere at Japanese J League games, absolutely brilliant and all without flares. I have this strange feeling that Paul is now talking to himself. Just an observation Did you come up with that whilst sitting on your throne? Just an observation.
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PGR
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+x+x+x+xWell I’d probably go to the live sites with my buddies but I wouldn’t take the lass of little kids There where 18 of us (mostly kids) at AAMI (tried to get into Fed Square but got turned away at 5am) and the kids loved it..... Now that it seems FA is "turning a blind eye" and no chance of Hellas getting point deductions I might smuggle a few into NPL games next season and let the littlies learn how to rip them properly :) Hellas has always turned a blind eye to flares. Sure, but its the FA that threatens point deductions and true fans care about how their actions affect the teams position on the ladder... Are you trying to say the FA should take no action and just let the unruly fans do their stuff?
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Davide82
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+x+x+x+xWhy doesn' t the FA / APL just allow them ? Doesn' t every other country allow them ? Absolutely not. Just look at the atmosphere at Japanese J League games, absolutely brilliant and all without flares. I have this strange feeling that Paul is now talking to himself. Just an observation Did you come up with that whilst sitting on your throne? Just an observation. I do sometimes post from the toilet but not this time. It's just you "two" post a lot straight after each other and have very similar views on Lowy and Johnson and the past. Felt like PaulC wanted a transition away from the Remote Control idiocy that's all. Happy to be wrong as always and I'm sure it's just a coincidence. Moving on...
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Davide82
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+x+x+x+x+xWell I’d probably go to the live sites with my buddies but I wouldn’t take the lass of little kids There where 18 of us (mostly kids) at AAMI (tried to get into Fed Square but got turned away at 5am) and the kids loved it..... Now that it seems FA is "turning a blind eye" and no chance of Hellas getting point deductions I might smuggle a few into NPL games next season and let the littlies learn how to rip them properly :) Hellas has always turned a blind eye to flares. Sure, but its the FA that threatens point deductions and true fans care about how their actions affect the teams position on the ladder... Are you trying to say the FA should take no action and just let the unruly fans do their stuff? I mean, it's not like this sounds like Remote "Tucker" Control at all. Moving on...
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+x+x+x+x+xWell I’d probably go to the live sites with my buddies but I wouldn’t take the lass of little kids There where 18 of us (mostly kids) at AAMI (tried to get into Fed Square but got turned away at 5am) and the kids loved it..... Now that it seems FA is "turning a blind eye" and no chance of Hellas getting point deductions I might smuggle a few into NPL games next season and let the littlies learn how to rip them properly :) Hellas has always turned a blind eye to flares. Sure, but its the FA that threatens point deductions and true fans care about how their actions affect the teams position on the ladder... Are you trying to say the FA should take no action and just let the unruly fans do their stuff? We cannot be having unruly fans. Everyone must follow the rules. This is Australia...we are a land of rules. Obey your rules you unruly rule breakers
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+x+x+x+x+xWhy doesn' t the FA / APL just allow them ? Doesn' t every other country allow them ? Absolutely not. Just look at the atmosphere at Japanese J League games, absolutely brilliant and all without flares. I have this strange feeling that Paul is now talking to himself. Just an observation Did you come up with that whilst sitting on your throne? Just an observation. I do sometimes post from the toilet but not this time. It's just you "two" post a lot straight after each other and have very similar views on Lowy and Johnson and the past. Felt like PaulC wanted a transition away from the Remote Control idiocy that's all. Happy to be wrong as always and I'm sure it's just a coincidence. Moving on... your hardly ever wrong ;) - your a Pisano deep down inside :) paulc RC - PGR parental guidance recording ?. The mention of the JL without smokies, now thats a great comparision making sense to the rest of the normal football supporter world over in behaviour lol........
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@ Davide82
I see you never responded to my query on the other thread as to why YOU say you wouldn' t have someone like Fahid Ben Khalfallah commentate on a Socceroos match if you were the broadcast producer .
Perhaps you could respond as to your reasons why you wouldn' t , on the relevant thread? Cheers .
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Davide82
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+x @ Davide82 I see you never responded to my query on the other thread as to why YOU say you wouldn' t have someone like Fahid Ben Khalfallah commentate on a Socceroos match if you were the broadcast producer . Perhaps you could respond as to your reasons why you wouldn' t , on the relevant thread? Cheers . Aha which one are you again?
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+x+x @ Davide82 I see you never responded to my query on the other thread as to why YOU say you wouldn' t have someone like Fahid Ben Khalfallah commentate on a Socceroos match if you were the broadcast producer . Perhaps you could respond as to your reasons why you wouldn' t , on the relevant thread? Cheers . Aha which one are you again? I wonder how long it'll be before he forgets to log into the correct account and posts his spaces in the wrong one.
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Ripping flares is absolutely an anti authoritarian thing do I doubt those doing it have any interest in safe smoke etc
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Davide82
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+xRipping flares is absolutely an anti authoritarian thing do I doubt those doing it have any interest in safe smoke etc Yep
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