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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? Are you serious? How about bringing in MacArthur because they paid $15 million and have no supporters. Or western United brought in a promise of a stadium that hasn't eventuated and probably never will. Or an uneven draw where teams don't play each an even number of times home and away. Or that teams don't play every other team once and then do it all over again. (You can play the same yeah twice in 3 weeks before you've played another once.) Or the outrageous ticket prices they charge for matches. Or going to war with active support. Or taking the media's side and not going into bat for the A League fans whenever we've made the front page of the paper. Or booting the Fury for a lousy million dollars a season. Or not having international breaks. Or a closed off franchise system with no possible path to promotion and relegation. Or a million other things. What haven't they done to the fans? Seriously. As a fan, how is this harsh treatment??? Once again. Sounds like AFL. Surely Norwood Redlegs or Williamstown Seagulls should've been brought into the AFL ahead of those franchise clubs with no fans like GWS and GC suns. Fitzroy after 100 years getting booted and the rump sent over to the Brisbane Bears is harsh treatment of the fans. Almost forced mergers in the AFL in the 90's is harsh treatment of the fans. Paying clubs to play home games interstate is harsh treatment of fans. Rendering clubs home stadiums useless and consolidating stadium's where AFL makes more money than clubs is harsh treatment Much worse than APL has dished out to aleague fans. Once again. We are drama queens. Who gives a flying fuck about the AFL. We're not the AFL. FFS! That's true. Us football fans are drama queens and act like self entitled little bitches compared to fans of other sports. That active fan group post that came out expecting to have a seat at the boardroom was just embarrassing
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? Are you serious? How about bringing in MacArthur because they paid $15 million and have no supporters. Or western United brought in a promise of a stadium that hasn't eventuated and probably never will. Or an uneven draw where teams don't play each an even number of times home and away. Or that teams don't play every other team once and then do it all over again. (You can play the same yeah twice in 3 weeks before you've played another once.) Or the outrageous ticket prices they charge for matches. Or going to war with active support. Or taking the media's side and not going into bat for the A League fans whenever we've made the front page of the paper. Or booting the Fury for a lousy million dollars a season. Or not having international breaks. Or a closed off franchise system with no possible path to promotion and relegation. Or a million other things. What haven't they done to the fans? Seriously. As a fan, how is this harsh treatment??? Once again. Sounds like AFL. Surely Norwood Redlegs or Williamstown Seagulls should've been brought into the AFL ahead of those franchise clubs with no fans like GWS and GC suns. Fitzroy after 100 years getting booted and the rump sent over to the Brisbane Bears is harsh treatment of the fans. Almost forced mergers in the AFL in the 90's is harsh treatment of the fans. Paying clubs to play home games interstate is harsh treatment of fans. Rendering clubs home stadiums useless and consolidating stadium's where AFL makes more money than clubs is harsh treatment Much worse than APL has dished out to aleague fans. Once again. We are drama queens. Who gives a flying fuck about the AFL. We're not the AFL. FFS!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? Off the top of my head Lopsided fixture lists to satisfy TV every season Attendance limiting kickoff times to satisfy TV every season Hedgefunds supplying Marquees to specific franchises rather than others to improve metrics Star Wars Real clubs excluded from expansion process due to TV 'fish where the fish are ' dictates Active support suppression Sounds like the AFL Yeah it does sound like the Afl - which means it’s actually really shit! and why so many AL people HATE what the Apl have decided to do.
But in the Afl’s defense- At least the Afl has by far the most amount of clubs in Victoria so it actually makes sense to have GF in Melbourne every year. Vic is where the game started too.
None of your comments will change my mind that clubs and their supporters are being shafted by an arrogant APL Clubs aren't being shafted by this decision. They actually made the decision. BS! Not EVERY club had a say in Apl GF decision. Only 5 clubs have Apl board members!! Western united and Adelaide United had absolutely NO say in it - just 2 examples. Indirectly then. The clubs 1voted in the board members. The board represents the APL. The APL is owned by the club's equally shared. So in effect, the board of the club owned league made the decisions. The lifeblood of the APL, being the Fans, did not get treated justly. The A League is not supposed to be Sydney centric, caring fans feel sold out. But there are not enough passionate A League caring fans out there, to really ram home the point by not turning up at all. Not talking about the passion for the 5 minute Bandwagon of the Socceroos either, This will go through and what's to stop the Apl from awarding the GF to Sydney for another three years, as they would more than likely do a good job? If more fans showed up over the years these sort of decisions wouldn't be made. But yes. We don't have enough caring fans to show up to games week in week out. If we averaged 10-15k per game then the league would be in a better place. That is why this decision has been made. Lack of total fans.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? Off the top of my head Lopsided fixture lists to satisfy TV every season Attendance limiting kickoff times to satisfy TV every season Hedgefunds supplying Marquees to specific franchises rather than others to improve metrics Star Wars Real clubs excluded from expansion process due to TV 'fish where the fish are ' dictates Active support suppression Sounds like the AFL Yeah it does sound like the Afl - which means it’s actually really shit! and why so many AL people HATE what the Apl have decided to do.
But in the Afl’s defense- At least the Afl has by far the most amount of clubs in Victoria so it actually makes sense to have GF in Melbourne every year. Vic is where the game started too.
None of your comments will change my mind that clubs and their supporters are being shafted by an arrogant APL Clubs aren't being shafted by this decision. They actually made the decision. BS! Not EVERY club had a say in Apl GF decision. Only 5 clubs have Apl board members!! Western united and Adelaide United had absolutely NO say in it - just 2 examples. Indirectly then. The clubs 1voted in the board members. The board represents the APL. The APL is owned by the club's equally shared. So in effect, the board of the club owned league made the decisions. The lifeblood of the APL, being the Fans, did not get treated justly. The A League is not supposed to be Sydney centric, caring fans feel sold out. But there are not enough passionate A League caring fans out there, to really ram home the point by not turning up at all. Not talking about the passion for the 5 minute Bandwagon of the Socceroos either, This will go through and what's to stop the Apl from awarding the GF to Sydney for another three years, as they would more than likely do a good job?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? No survey of supporters at all before making sydney decision - as if the loyal paying customers (which are becoming harder and harder to find and retain!) just don’t matter at all. Pure arrogance of apl is disrespectful of fans/members who really help keep the AL going.
So this is "perpetually" happening? Clubs need $$$. This is a decent amount of revenue. If more fans came to games then it may not have happened. Economic reasons. No $$$. No league. No clubs. No fans. Shafting fans is a shocking way to earn a fast buck. I used to be a Melb Heart member but never been a City member. I attended last years GF as a NEUTRAL fan - not as a member - there’s no fucking way I’m attending another AL GF now that it’s in sydney - so Apl have lost my GF money now. How is this good for AL long-term?! Sounds like you should work for Apl But if it does, and the game loses you, then it's no big loss. No big loss if they lose you either btw Absolutely. If it means the game, league and clubs are sustainable then your opinion and mine about GF sale doesn't matter. The sport is bigger than both of us. IF you think the GF WILL work providing revenue thats crystal ball talk, I would expect that Gov injection would be put to running costs + prize money and if anything left filtered to the remaining Franchise's subsudising to their continual loss's....... The other thing about this GF deal is that it's not that much money. $10m over 3 years is not much at all. If they needed to find $3.33m per year, they could have just reduced the salary cap. Dropping the cap from $2.5m to $2.22m saves the same amount of money. Fans probably would have still had a bit of a sook, but they would have got over it pretty quickly and moved on. There definitely wouldn't be much talk about boycotts or walk-outs. The GF makes plenty of money when hosted by the home side. Now they will definitely take a hit on GF ticket sales, especially if 1 or more interstate teams are involved, and especially if they are priced the same as previous years. Also if this first GF is a disaster, they will have trouble selling sponsor spots for the next one, which will be another financial hit. Time will tell. I wouldn't have a problem with reducing the cap. But this is the decision by the APL. Which is run by the club's. So I think we can dismiss the uproar from the club's about being against the decision DiPietro was on the APL board. He knew about it. He would've been part of the discussion. Why didn't he resign when the decision was made internally? Weak. No, you get rid of the salary cap, or raise it to 7 mil, and thats for now. Btw, I'm sure any of Melbourne's teams supporters would be happy to drive Di Pietro to the airport to re-settle in Sydney. He helped get the numbers for 'that' decision and in return a massive golden handshake and gets to walk away into the sunset. Nope. Not gonna happen. Cap is here to stay. It's needed unfortunately. But that's a debate for another thread. What do you mean golden handshake for Di Pietro? Clubs know how much they can spend. The havs will spend more, the have nots will mot spend as much on players and facilities. That is how it is around the World. What does the salary cap do except for being a restraint of trade? That's Socialism infact. Do you think there was not a deal done for Di Pietro's vote for the three grand finals. He saw this as a way to finally get out if Victory with a handsome payout of sorts. The Apl needed Victory onboard. Lederer, as the 'non independent chairman' may have done a deal that DiPietro could not refuse. The salary cap is saving the club's from themselves. Yep. Perhaps a socialism system in place. Sadly, the league may need it to be sustainable and stable. Di Pietro was part of the process. I don't know what happened in the boardroom. But if he wanted to make an issue of it, he couldve done it during the negotiation process. But he chose to do it after the announcement. That was for show from the looks of it. If he gets out of victory then it isn't a "golden handshake". It's just him simply selling his shares he owned. It's not a severance package Well, I disagree with salary cap issue, its a Democracy and should never have become a draconian Socialist style regime. There are other clubs that would love to get into the top flight as well. They must not operate with a safety net when they know how to operate they're businesses, in a professional environment. Even with a NSD there is no pro/rel. It is half a job. Thai leagues have 16 teams in level one, and 18 teams in level two, and then some, in a functioning football ecosystem. That's fine. I understand your point of view. But I accept the system we operate under. I think it needs to be in place. But a discussion for another thread. This thread is about the minority walkouts because of a club represented board decision about the GF in Sydney for 3 years generating $10-15M. While the majority of fans stay and watch the games. But according to some, they aren't "real fans". Bit like a fundamentalist religious group that calls others infidels if they don't subscribe to every bit of their philosophies
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? Off the top of my head Lopsided fixture lists to satisfy TV every season Attendance limiting kickoff times to satisfy TV every season Hedgefunds supplying Marquees to specific franchises rather than others to improve metrics Star Wars Real clubs excluded from expansion process due to TV 'fish where the fish are ' dictates Active support suppression Sounds like the AFL Yeah it does sound like the Afl - which means it’s actually really shit! and why so many AL people HATE what the Apl have decided to do.
But in the Afl’s defense- At least the Afl has by far the most amount of clubs in Victoria so it actually makes sense to have GF in Melbourne every year. Vic is where the game started too.
None of your comments will change my mind that clubs and their supporters are being shafted by an arrogant APL Clubs aren't being shafted by this decision. They actually made the decision. BS! Not EVERY club had a say in Apl GF decision. Only 5 clubs have Apl board members!! Western united and Adelaide United had absolutely NO say in it - just 2 examples. Indirectly then. The clubs 1voted in the board members. The board represents the APL. The APL is owned by the club's equally shared. So in effect, the board of the club owned league made the decisions.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? Off the top of my head Lopsided fixture lists to satisfy TV every season Attendance limiting kickoff times to satisfy TV every season Hedgefunds supplying Marquees to specific franchises rather than others to improve metrics Star Wars Real clubs excluded from expansion process due to TV 'fish where the fish are ' dictates Active support suppression Sounds like the AFL Yeah it does sound like the Afl - which means it’s actually really shit! and why so many AL people HATE what the Apl have decided to do.
But in the Afl’s defense- At least the Afl has by far the most amount of clubs in Victoria so it actually makes sense to have GF in Melbourne every year. Vic is where the game started too.
None of your comments will change my mind that clubs and their supporters are being shafted by an arrogant APL Clubs aren't being shafted by this decision. They actually made the decision. BS! Not EVERY club had a say in Apl GF decision. Only 5 clubs have Apl board members!! Western united and Adelaide United had absolutely NO say in it - just 2 examples.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? No survey of supporters at all before making sydney decision - as if the loyal paying customers (which are becoming harder and harder to find and retain!) just don’t matter at all. Pure arrogance of apl is disrespectful of fans/members who really help keep the AL going.
So this is "perpetually" happening? Clubs need $$$. This is a decent amount of revenue. If more fans came to games then it may not have happened. Economic reasons. No $$$. No league. No clubs. No fans. Shafting fans is a shocking way to earn a fast buck. I used to be a Melb Heart member but never been a City member. I attended last years GF as a NEUTRAL fan - not as a member - there’s no fucking way I’m attending another AL GF now that it’s in sydney - so Apl have lost my GF money now. How is this good for AL long-term?! Sounds like you should work for Apl But if it does, and the game loses you, then it's no big loss. No big loss if they lose you either btw Absolutely. If it means the game, league and clubs are sustainable then your opinion and mine about GF sale doesn't matter. The sport is bigger than both of us. IF you think the GF WILL work providing revenue thats crystal ball talk, I would expect that Gov injection would be put to running costs + prize money and if anything left filtered to the remaining Franchise's subsudising to their continual loss's....... The other thing about this GF deal is that it's not that much money. $10m over 3 years is not much at all. If they needed to find $3.33m per year, they could have just reduced the salary cap. Dropping the cap from $2.5m to $2.22m saves the same amount of money. Fans probably would have still had a bit of a sook, but they would have got over it pretty quickly and moved on. There definitely wouldn't be much talk about boycotts or walk-outs. The GF makes plenty of money when hosted by the home side. Now they will definitely take a hit on GF ticket sales, especially if 1 or more interstate teams are involved, and especially if they are priced the same as previous years. Also if this first GF is a disaster, they will have trouble selling sponsor spots for the next one, which will be another financial hit. Time will tell. I wouldn't have a problem with reducing the cap. But this is the decision by the APL. Which is run by the club's. So I think we can dismiss the uproar from the club's about being against the decision DiPietro was on the APL board. He knew about it. He would've been part of the discussion. Why didn't he resign when the decision was made internally? Weak. No, you get rid of the salary cap, or raise it to 7 mil, and thats for now. Btw, I'm sure any of Melbourne's teams supporters would be happy to drive Di Pietro to the airport to re-settle in Sydney. He helped get the numbers for 'that' decision and in return a massive golden handshake and gets to walk away into the sunset. Nope. Not gonna happen. Cap is here to stay. It's needed unfortunately. But that's a debate for another thread. What do you mean golden handshake for Di Pietro? Clubs know how much they can spend. The havs will spend more, the have nots will mot spend as much on players and facilities. That is how it is around the World. What does the salary cap do except for being a restraint of trade? That's Socialism infact. Do you think there was not a deal done for Di Pietro's vote for the three grand finals. He saw this as a way to finally get out if Victory with a handsome payout of sorts. The Apl needed Victory onboard. Lederer, as the 'non independent chairman' may have done a deal that DiPietro could not refuse. The salary cap is saving the club's from themselves. Yep. Perhaps a socialism system in place. Sadly, the league may need it to be sustainable and stable. Di Pietro was part of the process. I don't know what happened in the boardroom. But if he wanted to make an issue of it, he couldve done it during the negotiation process. But he chose to do it after the announcement. That was for show from the looks of it. If he gets out of victory then it isn't a "golden handshake". It's just him simply selling his shares he owned. It's not a severance package Well, I disagree with salary cap issue, its a Democracy and should never have become a drakonian Socialist style regime. There are other clubs that would love to get into the top flight as well. They must not operate with a safety net when they know how to operate they're businesses, in a professional environment. Even with a NSD there is no pro/rel. It is half a job. Thai leagues have 16 teams in level one, and 18 teams in level two, and then some, in a functioning football ecosystem.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? No survey of supporters at all before making sydney decision - as if the loyal paying customers (which are becoming harder and harder to find and retain!) just don’t matter at all. Pure arrogance of apl is disrespectful of fans/members who really help keep the AL going.
So this is "perpetually" happening? Clubs need $$$. This is a decent amount of revenue. If more fans came to games then it may not have happened. Economic reasons. No $$$. No league. No clubs. No fans. Shafting fans is a shocking way to earn a fast buck. I used to be a Melb Heart member but never been a City member. I attended last years GF as a NEUTRAL fan - not as a member - there’s no fucking way I’m attending another AL GF now that it’s in sydney - so Apl have lost my GF money now. How is this good for AL long-term?! Sounds like you should work for Apl But if it does, and the game loses you, then it's no big loss. No big loss if they lose you either btw Absolutely. If it means the game, league and clubs are sustainable then your opinion and mine about GF sale doesn't matter. The sport is bigger than both of us. IF you think the GF WILL work providing revenue thats crystal ball talk, I would expect that Gov injection would be put to running costs + prize money and if anything left filtered to the remaining Franchise's subsudising to their continual loss's....... The other thing about this GF deal is that it's not that much money. $10m over 3 years is not much at all. If they needed to find $3.33m per year, they could have just reduced the salary cap. Dropping the cap from $2.5m to $2.22m saves the same amount of money. Fans probably would have still had a bit of a sook, but they would have got over it pretty quickly and moved on. There definitely wouldn't be much talk about boycotts or walk-outs. The GF makes plenty of money when hosted by the home side. Now they will definitely take a hit on GF ticket sales, especially if 1 or more interstate teams are involved, and especially if they are priced the same as previous years. Also if this first GF is a disaster, they will have trouble selling sponsor spots for the next one, which will be another financial hit. Time will tell. I wouldn't have a problem with reducing the cap. But this is the decision by the APL. Which is run by the club's. So I think we can dismiss the uproar from the club's about being against the decision DiPietro was on the APL board. He knew about it. He would've been part of the discussion. Why didn't he resign when the decision was made internally? Weak. No, you get rid of the salary cap, or raise it to 7 mil, and thats for now. Btw, I'm sure any of Melbourne's teams supporters would be happy to drive Di Pietro to the airport to re-settle in Sydney. He helped get the numbers for 'that' decision and in return a massive golden handshake and gets to walk away into the sunset. Nope. Not gonna happen. Cap is here to stay. It's needed unfortunately. But that's a debate for another thread. What do you mean golden handshake for Di Pietro? Clubs know how much they can spend. The havs will spend more, the have nots will mot spend as much on players and facilities. That is how it is around the World. What does the salary cap do except for being a restraint of trade? That's Socialism infact. Do you think there was not a deal done for Di Pietro's vote for the three grand finals. He saw this as a way to finally get out if Victory with a handsome payout of sorts. The Apl needed Victory onboard. Lederer, as the 'non independent chairman' may have done a deal that DiPietro could not refuse. The salary cap is saving the club's from themselves. Yep. Perhaps a socialism system in place. Sadly, the league may need it to be sustainable and stable. Di Pietro was part of the process. I don't know what happened in the boardroom. But if he wanted to make an issue of it, he couldve done it during the negotiation process. But he chose to do it after the announcement. That was for show from the looks of it. If he gets out of victory then it isn't a "golden handshake". It's just him simply selling his shares he owned. It's not a severance package
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? Off the top of my head Lopsided fixture lists to satisfy TV every season Attendance limiting kickoff times to satisfy TV every season Hedgefunds supplying Marquees to specific franchises rather than others to improve metrics Star Wars Real clubs excluded from expansion process due to TV 'fish where the fish are ' dictates Active support suppression Sounds like the AFL Yeah it does sound like the Afl - which means it’s actually really shit! and why so many AL people HATE what the Apl have decided to do.
But in the Afl’s defense- At least the Afl has by far the most amount of clubs in Victoria so it actually makes sense to have GF in Melbourne every year. Vic is where the game started too.
None of your comments will change my mind that clubs and their supporters are being shafted by an arrogant APL Clubs aren't being shafted by this decision. They actually made the decision. They own the league. AFL is by far an arrogant dictatorship run by the $$ compared to our A-league. Some people just love playing the victim.
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+x+xButler is not a real football supporter but a aussie afl nrl tick confirmer. Drama queens my arse - that’s caused by those idiot young gen small % so called fans that I question and the APL. General good supporters just wish for a well run simple football comp, H/A and P/R or at least the NSD and the FA finally be a leader it should be looking ahead from bottom up. ^^^ This makes sense Butler You think general good fans should only believe this?? So the 40,000 fans that watch aleague should subscribe to this philosophy and not think for themselves?? Any different view and you're not a real football fan. 🥱 Surely you can accept that some, perhaps, most fans may not care about GF in Sydney, P/R or and NSD? That's ok isn't it? Quite authoritarian of you guys.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? No survey of supporters at all before making sydney decision - as if the loyal paying customers (which are becoming harder and harder to find and retain!) just don’t matter at all. Pure arrogance of apl is disrespectful of fans/members who really help keep the AL going.
So this is "perpetually" happening? Clubs need $$$. This is a decent amount of revenue. If more fans came to games then it may not have happened. Economic reasons. No $$$. No league. No clubs. No fans. Shafting fans is a shocking way to earn a fast buck. I used to be a Melb Heart member but never been a City member. I attended last years GF as a NEUTRAL fan - not as a member - there’s no fucking way I’m attending another AL GF now that it’s in sydney - so Apl have lost my GF money now. How is this good for AL long-term?! Sounds like you should work for Apl But if it does, and the game loses you, then it's no big loss. No big loss if they lose you either btw Absolutely. If it means the game, league and clubs are sustainable then your opinion and mine about GF sale doesn't matter. The sport is bigger than both of us. IF you think the GF WILL work providing revenue thats crystal ball talk, I would expect that Gov injection would be put to running costs + prize money and if anything left filtered to the remaining Franchise's subsudising to their continual loss's....... The other thing about this GF deal is that it's not that much money. $10m over 3 years is not much at all. If they needed to find $3.33m per year, they could have just reduced the salary cap. Dropping the cap from $2.5m to $2.22m saves the same amount of money. Fans probably would have still had a bit of a sook, but they would have got over it pretty quickly and moved on. There definitely wouldn't be much talk about boycotts or walk-outs. The GF makes plenty of money when hosted by the home side. Now they will definitely take a hit on GF ticket sales, especially if 1 or more interstate teams are involved, and especially if they are priced the same as previous years. Also if this first GF is a disaster, they will have trouble selling sponsor spots for the next one, which will be another financial hit. Time will tell. I wouldn't have a problem with reducing the cap. But this is the decision by the APL. Which is run by the club's. So I think we can dismiss the uproar from the club's about being against the decision DiPietro was on the APL board. He knew about it. He would've been part of the discussion. Why didn't he resign when the decision was made internally? Weak. No, you get rid of the salary cap, or raise it to 7 mil, and thats for now. Btw, I'm sure any of Melbourne's teams supporters would be happy to drive Di Pietro to the airport to re-settle in Sydney. He helped get the numbers for 'that' decision and in return a massive golden handshake and gets to walk away into the sunset. Nope. Not gonna happen. Cap is here to stay. It's needed unfortunately. But that's a debate for another thread. What do you mean golden handshake for Di Pietro? Clubs know how much they can spend. The havs will spend more, the have nots will mot spend as much on players and facilities. That is how it is around the World. Take the Mariners, they know that they cannot operate like Melbourne City or Sydney fc do. Therefore, why the over regulation? The salary cap is purely a restraint of trade, Infact that's Socialism. Do you not think there was a deal done for DiPietro's vote on the three grand finals? He saw this as a way to finally get out if Victory with a handsome payout of sorts. The Apl needed Victory onboard to get this over the line. Lederer, as the 'non independent chairman' may have done a deal that DiPietro could not refuse.
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+xButler is not a real football supporter but a aussie afl nrl tick confirmer. Drama queens my arse - that’s caused by those idiot young gen small % so called fans that I question and the APL. General good supporters just wish for a well run simple football comp, H/A and P/R or at least the NSD and the FA finally be a leader it should be looking ahead from bottom up. ^^^ This makes sense Butler
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? Off the top of my head Lopsided fixture lists to satisfy TV every season Attendance limiting kickoff times to satisfy TV every season Hedgefunds supplying Marquees to specific franchises rather than others to improve metrics Star Wars Real clubs excluded from expansion process due to TV 'fish where the fish are ' dictates Active support suppression Sounds like the AFL Yeah it does sound like the Afl - which means it’s actually really shit! and why so many AL people HATE what the Apl have decided to do.
But in the Afl’s defense- At least the Afl has by far the most amount of clubs in Victoria so it actually makes sense to have GF in Melbourne every year. Vic is where the game started too.
None of your comments will change my mind that clubs and their supporters are being shafted by an arrogant APL
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+xButler is not a real football supporter but a aussie afl nrl tick confirmer. Drama queens my arse - that’s caused by those idiot young gen small % so called fans that I question and the APL. General good supporters just wish for a well run simple football comp, H/A and P/R or at least the NSD and the FA finally be a leader it should be looking ahead from bottom up. Who are you to define "general good supporters"? Let the majority decide ? If they walk out. Great. If they stay. Great. Perhaps general good supporters can decide for themselves what they like and don't want to be dictated to by others that expect them to abide by their views.
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+xButler is not a real football supporter but a aussie afl nrl tick confirmer. Why is it so difficult to understand that some people are ok with the so called "harsh treatment" by APL?? Probably most fans don't care about all these "harsh issues" raised earlier. Perhaps the drama queens are the noisy minority,? Going by the walkouts it seems to be. But the majority aren't "real football fans" because we don't have a sook? Ok. Most of us can just get over it and move on. And understand our game needs this extra revenue and are ok with trialing the GF for 3 years in Sydney.
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Butler is not a real football supporter but a aussie afl nrl tick confirmer. Drama queens my arse - that’s caused by those idiot young gen small % so called fans that I question and the APL. General good supporters just wish for a well run simple football comp, H/A and P/R or at least the NSD and the FA finally be a leader it should be looking ahead from bottom up.
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+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? Are you serious? How about bringing in MacArthur because they paid $15 million and have no supporters. Or western United brought in a promise of a stadium that hasn't eventuated and probably never will. Or an uneven draw where teams don't play each an even number of times home and away. Or that teams don't play every other team once and then do it all over again. (You can play the same yeah twice in 3 weeks before you've played another once.) Or the outrageous ticket prices they charge for matches. Or going to war with active support. Or taking the media's side and not going into bat for the A League fans whenever we've made the front page of the paper. Or booting the Fury for a lousy million dollars a season. Or not having international breaks. Or a closed off franchise system with no possible path to promotion and relegation. Or a million other things. What haven't they done to the fans? Seriously. As a fan, how is this harsh treatment??? Once again. Sounds like AFL. Surely Norwood Redlegs or Williamstown Seagulls should've been brought into the AFL ahead of those franchise clubs with no fans like GWS and GC suns. Fitzroy after 100 years getting booted and the rump sent over to the Brisbane Bears is harsh treatment of the fans. Almost forced mergers in the AFL in the 90's is harsh treatment of the fans. Paying clubs to play home games interstate is harsh treatment of fans. Rendering clubs home stadiums useless and consolidating stadium's where AFL makes more money than clubs is harsh treatment Much worse than APL has dished out to aleague fans. Once again. We are drama queens.
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+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? Are you serious? How about bringing in MacArthur because they paid $15 million and have no supporters. Or western United brought in a promise of a stadium that hasn't eventuated and probably never will. Or an uneven draw where teams don't play each an even number of times home and away. Or that teams don't play every other team once and then do it all over again. (You can play the same yeah twice in 3 weeks before you've played another once.) Or the outrageous ticket prices they charge for matches. Or going to war with active support. Or taking the media's side and not going into bat for the A League fans whenever we've made the front page of the paper. Or booting the Fury for a lousy million dollars a season. Or not having international breaks. Or a closed off franchise system with no possible path to promotion and relegation. Or a million other things. What haven't they done to the fans?
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+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? Off the top of my head Lopsided fixture lists to satisfy TV every season Attendance limiting kickoff times to satisfy TV every season Hedgefunds supplying Marquees to specific franchises rather than others to improve metrics Star Wars Real clubs excluded from expansion process due to TV 'fish where the fish are ' dictates Active support suppression Hmmm Sounds like the AFL Lopsided fixture list. Tick Kick off times for tv. Tick
Real clubs excluded from expansion process. Tick
GF in one location for 40 years. Tick.
Stupid themed rounds. Tick.
Active support suppression. No.
Remember all those protests when AFL did all this to their fans. 🤦🏻♂️
Hedge funds supplying marquees is NOT happening.
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Football fans are drama queens.
Harsh treatment?? 🤣🤣
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+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? Off the top of my head Lopsided fixture lists to satisfy TV every season Attendance limiting kickoff times to satisfy TV every season Hedgefunds supplying Marquees to specific franchises rather than others to improve metrics Star Wars Real clubs excluded from expansion process due to TV 'fish where the fish are ' dictates Active support suppression
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? No survey of supporters at all before making sydney decision - as if the loyal paying customers (which are becoming harder and harder to find and retain!) just don’t matter at all. Pure arrogance of apl is disrespectful of fans/members who really help keep the AL going.
So this is "perpetually" happening? Clubs need $$$. This is a decent amount of revenue. If more fans came to games then it may not have happened. Economic reasons. No $$$. No league. No clubs. No fans. Shafting fans is a shocking way to earn a fast buck. I used to be a Melb Heart member but never been a City member. I attended last years GF as a NEUTRAL fan - not as a member - there’s no fucking way I’m attending another AL GF now that it’s in sydney - so Apl have lost my GF money now. How is this good for AL long-term?! Sounds like you should work for Apl But if it does, and the game loses you, then it's no big loss. No big loss if they lose you either btw Absolutely. If it means the game, league and clubs are sustainable then your opinion and mine about GF sale doesn't matter. The sport is bigger than both of us. IF you think the GF WILL work providing revenue thats crystal ball talk, I would expect that Gov injection would be put to running costs + prize money and if anything left filtered to the remaining Franchise's subsudising to their continual loss's....... The other thing about this GF deal is that it's not that much money. $10m over 3 years is not much at all. If they needed to find $3.33m per year, they could have just reduced the salary cap. Dropping the cap from $2.5m to $2.22m saves the same amount of money. Fans probably would have still had a bit of a sook, but they would have got over it pretty quickly and moved on. There definitely wouldn't be much talk about boycotts or walk-outs. The GF makes plenty of money when hosted by the home side. Now they will definitely take a hit on GF ticket sales, especially if 1 or more interstate teams are involved, and especially if they are priced the same as previous years. Also if this first GF is a disaster, they will have trouble selling sponsor spots for the next one, which will be another financial hit. Time will tell. I wouldn't have a problem with reducing the cap. But this is the decision by the APL. Which is run by the club's. So I think we can dismiss the uproar from the club's about being against the decision DiPietro was on the APL board. He knew about it. He would've been part of the discussion. Why didn't he resign when the decision was made internally? Weak. No, you get rid of the salary cap, or raise it to 7 mil, and thats for now. Btw, I'm sure any of Melbourne's teams supporters would be happy to drive Di Pietro to the airport to re-settle in Sydney. He helped get the numbers for 'that' decision and in return a massive golden handshake and gets to walk away into the sunset. Nope. Not gonna happen. Cap is here to stay. It's needed unfortunately. But that's a debate for another thread. What do you mean golden handshake for Di Pietro?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? No survey of supporters at all before making sydney decision - as if the loyal paying customers (which are becoming harder and harder to find and retain!) just don’t matter at all. Pure arrogance of apl is disrespectful of fans/members who really help keep the AL going.
So this is "perpetually" happening? Clubs need $$$. This is a decent amount of revenue. If more fans came to games then it may not have happened. Economic reasons. No $$$. No league. No clubs. No fans. Shafting fans is a shocking way to earn a fast buck. I used to be a Melb Heart member but never been a City member. I attended last years GF as a NEUTRAL fan - not as a member - there’s no fucking way I’m attending another AL GF now that it’s in sydney - so Apl have lost my GF money now. How is this good for AL long-term?! Sounds like you should work for Apl But if it does, and the game loses you, then it's no big loss. No big loss if they lose you either btw Absolutely. If it means the game, league and clubs are sustainable then your opinion and mine about GF sale doesn't matter. The sport is bigger than both of us. IF you think the GF WILL work providing revenue thats crystal ball talk, I would expect that Gov injection would be put to running costs + prize money and if anything left filtered to the remaining Franchise's subsudising to their continual loss's....... The other thing about this GF deal is that it's not that much money. $10m over 3 years is not much at all. If they needed to find $3.33m per year, they could have just reduced the salary cap. Dropping the cap from $2.5m to $2.22m saves the same amount of money. Fans probably would have still had a bit of a sook, but they would have got over it pretty quickly and moved on. There definitely wouldn't be much talk about boycotts or walk-outs. The GF makes plenty of money when hosted by the home side. Now they will definitely take a hit on GF ticket sales, especially if 1 or more interstate teams are involved, and especially if they are priced the same as previous years. Also if this first GF is a disaster, they will have trouble selling sponsor spots for the next one, which will be another financial hit. Time will tell. I wouldn't have a problem with reducing the cap. But this is the decision by the APL. Which is run by the club's. So I think we can dismiss the uproar from the club's about being against the decision DiPietro was on the APL board. He knew about it. He would've been part of the discussion. Why didn't he resign when the decision was made internally? Weak. No, you get rid of the salary cap, or raise it to 7 mil, and thats for now. Btw, I'm sure any of Melbourne's teams supporters would be happy to drive Di Pietro to the airport to re-settle in Sydney. He helped get the numbers for 'that' decision and in return a massive golden handshake and gets to walk away into the sunset.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? No survey of supporters at all before making sydney decision - as if the loyal paying customers (which are becoming harder and harder to find and retain!) just don’t matter at all. Pure arrogance of apl is disrespectful of fans/members who really help keep the AL going.
So this is "perpetually" happening? Clubs need $$$. This is a decent amount of revenue. If more fans came to games then it may not have happened. Economic reasons. No $$$. No league. No clubs. No fans. Shafting fans is a shocking way to earn a fast buck. I used to be a Melb Heart member but never been a City member. I attended last years GF as a NEUTRAL fan - not as a member - there’s no fucking way I’m attending another AL GF now that it’s in sydney - so Apl have lost my GF money now. How is this good for AL long-term?! Sounds like you should work for Apl But if it does, and the game loses you, then it's no big loss. No big loss if they lose you either btw Absolutely. If it means the game, league and clubs are sustainable then your opinion and mine about GF sale doesn't matter. The sport is bigger than both of us. here here the sport is bigger than us and rich owner leagues. You only have to look at all the local organic established Clubs in the NPL that have survived hook or by crook the last 17yrs, do you actually think rich owners will stick by their investment forever and day stomaching loss's and staying around 17yrs ahead like them ? Doubt it. You can keep throwing money in to survive (with bugger all ROI but for APL HQ split $ %'s and or contracts like GF/Syd) but sooner or later something got to give with this model - especially when suedo supporters arn't sticking around like NPL ones have looking ahead...........(thankfully grass roots keeps on keeping on. IF you think the GF WILL work providing revenue thats crystal ball talk, I would expect that Gov injection would be put to running costs + prize money and if anything left filtered to the remaining Franchise's subsudising to their continual loss's....... The league is in a bubble and the current management are presenting nothing for future growth but working on band aid policy. So just like all other top tier sports in Australia? What's happened to Fitzroy FC? Where are they now? And Don't give me that merger story. Newtown jets? North Sydney bears? Are they still around?? Don't know NSW well. This is the nature of pro sports on this country. Just the way it is. Newtown and Norths play in the NRL feeder competition, one level down. They are a shadow of themselves these days.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? No survey of supporters at all before making sydney decision - as if the loyal paying customers (which are becoming harder and harder to find and retain!) just don’t matter at all. Pure arrogance of apl is disrespectful of fans/members who really help keep the AL going.
So this is "perpetually" happening? Clubs need $$$. This is a decent amount of revenue. If more fans came to games then it may not have happened. Economic reasons. No $$$. No league. No clubs. No fans. Shafting fans is a shocking way to earn a fast buck. I used to be a Melb Heart member but never been a City member. I attended last years GF as a NEUTRAL fan - not as a member - there’s no fucking way I’m attending another AL GF now that it’s in sydney - so Apl have lost my GF money now. How is this good for AL long-term?! Sounds like you should work for Apl But if it does, and the game loses you, then it's no big loss. No big loss if they lose you either btw Absolutely. If it means the game, league and clubs are sustainable then your opinion and mine about GF sale doesn't matter. The sport is bigger than both of us. IF you think the GF WILL work providing revenue thats crystal ball talk, I would expect that Gov injection would be put to running costs + prize money and if anything left filtered to the remaining Franchise's subsudising to their continual loss's....... The other thing about this GF deal is that it's not that much money. $10m over 3 years is not much at all. If they needed to find $3.33m per year, they could have just reduced the salary cap. Dropping the cap from $2.5m to $2.22m saves the same amount of money. Fans probably would have still had a bit of a sook, but they would have got over it pretty quickly and moved on. There definitely wouldn't be much talk about boycotts or walk-outs. The GF makes plenty of money when hosted by the home side. Now they will definitely take a hit on GF ticket sales, especially if 1 or more interstate teams are involved, and especially if they are priced the same as previous years. Also if this first GF is a disaster, they will have trouble selling sponsor spots for the next one, which will be another financial hit. Time will tell. I wouldn't have a problem with reducing the cap. But this is the decision by the APL. Which is run by the club's. So I think we can dismiss the uproar from the club's about being against the decision DiPietro was on the APL board. He knew about it. He would've been part of the discussion. Why didn't he resign when the decision was made internally? Weak.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? No survey of supporters at all before making sydney decision - as if the loyal paying customers (which are becoming harder and harder to find and retain!) just don’t matter at all. Pure arrogance of apl is disrespectful of fans/members who really help keep the AL going.
So this is "perpetually" happening? Clubs need $$$. This is a decent amount of revenue. If more fans came to games then it may not have happened. Economic reasons. No $$$. No league. No clubs. No fans. Shafting fans is a shocking way to earn a fast buck. I used to be a Melb Heart member but never been a City member. I attended last years GF as a NEUTRAL fan - not as a member - there’s no fucking way I’m attending another AL GF now that it’s in sydney - so Apl have lost my GF money now. How is this good for AL long-term?! Sounds like you should work for Apl But if it does, and the game loses you, then it's no big loss. No big loss if they lose you either btw Absolutely. If it means the game, league and clubs are sustainable then your opinion and mine about GF sale doesn't matter. The sport is bigger than both of us. here here the sport is bigger than us and rich owner leagues. You only have to look at all the local organic established Clubs in the NPL that have survived hook or by crook the last 17yrs, do you actually think rich owners will stick by their investment forever and day stomaching loss's and staying around 17yrs ahead like them ? Doubt it. You can keep throwing money in to survive (with bugger all ROI but for APL HQ split $ %'s and or contracts like GF/Syd) but sooner or later something got to give with this model - especially when suedo supporters arn't sticking around like NPL ones have looking ahead...........(thankfully grass roots keeps on keeping on. IF you think the GF WILL work providing revenue thats crystal ball talk, I would expect that Gov injection would be put to running costs + prize money and if anything left filtered to the remaining Franchise's subsudising to their continual loss's....... The league is in a bubble and the current management are presenting nothing for future growth but working on band aid policy. So just like all other top tier sports in Australia? What's happened to Fitzroy FC? Where are they now? And Don't give me that merger story. Newtown jets? North Sydney bears? Are they still around?? Don't know NSW well. This is the nature of pro sports on this country. Just the way it is.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? No survey of supporters at all before making sydney decision - as if the loyal paying customers (which are becoming harder and harder to find and retain!) just don’t matter at all. Pure arrogance of apl is disrespectful of fans/members who really help keep the AL going.
So this is "perpetually" happening? Clubs need $$$. This is a decent amount of revenue. If more fans came to games then it may not have happened. Economic reasons. No $$$. No league. No clubs. No fans. Shafting fans is a shocking way to earn a fast buck. I used to be a Melb Heart member but never been a City member. I attended last years GF as a NEUTRAL fan - not as a member - there’s no fucking way I’m attending another AL GF now that it’s in sydney - so Apl have lost my GF money now. How is this good for AL long-term?! Sounds like you should work for Apl But if it does, and the game loses you, then it's no big loss. No big loss if they lose you either btw Absolutely. If it means the game, league and clubs are sustainable then your opinion and mine about GF sale doesn't matter. The sport is bigger than both of us. The sport of ‘soccer’ is bigger than both of us but the AL is obviously struggling financially so EVERY money-paying fan is important imho… nobody- including DT and Apl- knows if this sydney thing will succeed. But there are plenty that believe it will fail. Logistically Australia is way too big and expensive to travel around just for starters- unlike English Epl fans traveling quite easily and quickly to Wembley. deep down many current supporters will actually want it to fail. I really don’t care either way anymore 😐 Unfortunately we don't have enough money paying fans. And a GF in Melbourne last season with 2 Vic clubs still managed to make the league a loss. True. People that are/have been running AL whether it’s Apl or FA/FFa just keep making different stupid mistakes. a manufactured expansion club like Western United in a GF resulted in very low supporters at the game- what a surprise! Wouldn’t be the case if a ‘real club’ like (just for example) Sth Melb that already has good number of loyal supporters, was in AL instead. imagine the large crowd and exciting atmosphere of last years GF at AAMI park between Melb City and Sth Melb!! AL just keep shooting themselves - and the AL supporters - in the foot and look where it’s ending up. Some sense in that. Yes. SMFC would've been better than WU. But let's face facts. Football supporters have shot themselves on the foot. This is purely and wholly on them. Please do not direct blame anywhere. Us fans freely provide the bullets for the media to fire shots at the game. This occasion more than any other.
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+x+xI’m gonna follow the season but won’t follow the finals If you don't finish first then you should follow the finals. Unless you earn the right to host as per perviously, it shouldnt be any different compared to any other season. 😁 I wonder how many people who are against the GF sale are actually prefer first past the post instead of a finals system. Like I've said somewhere, supporters will keep going to the matches so the APL have won, from the moment they decided in the boardroom, the grand finals will be played in Sydney. For change to occur you need just the seagulls in the stands. APL knew this and just made they're popular decision.They have not even appointed an independent chairperson to the role so they can manipulate the League as they wish. What have the APL done to the fans that understand what's going on? The fans have been neglected and fans have been left frustrated at the innacton. Insular non inclusive League, Salary cap, No Pathways for Youth, high fees, no Transfer fee economy, where is it? Those in the know, know all this, lets not pretend. That guy is right, if we don't like what they have done, to therefore not go to watch. I've practised that, haven't been to A League match since about 2017, I cant remember exactly.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. The decision won't change. The drama queens are finally realising it perhaps. Most fans aren't walking out anyway. Majority rules. Just get on with it. If you don't like it, don't go. The sport will move on. As I've said before GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand. A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually Happy to be treated like what?? Can you please list all that harsh treatment these fans are receiving?? No survey of supporters at all before making sydney decision - as if the loyal paying customers (which are becoming harder and harder to find and retain!) just don’t matter at all. Pure arrogance of apl is disrespectful of fans/members who really help keep the AL going.
So this is "perpetually" happening? Clubs need $$$. This is a decent amount of revenue. If more fans came to games then it may not have happened. Economic reasons. No $$$. No league. No clubs. No fans. Shafting fans is a shocking way to earn a fast buck. I used to be a Melb Heart member but never been a City member. I attended last years GF as a NEUTRAL fan - not as a member - there’s no fucking way I’m attending another AL GF now that it’s in sydney - so Apl have lost my GF money now. How is this good for AL long-term?! Sounds like you should work for Apl But if it does, and the game loses you, then it's no big loss. No big loss if they lose you either btw Absolutely. If it means the game, league and clubs are sustainable then your opinion and mine about GF sale doesn't matter. The sport is bigger than both of us. IF you think the GF WILL work providing revenue thats crystal ball talk, I would expect that Gov injection would be put to running costs + prize money and if anything left filtered to the remaining Franchise's subsudising to their continual loss's....... The other thing about this GF deal is that it's not that much money. $10m over 3 years is not much at all. If they needed to find $3.33m per year, they could have just reduced the salary cap. Dropping the cap from $2.5m to $2.22m saves the same amount of money. Fans probably would have still had a bit of a sook, but they would have got over it pretty quickly and moved on. There definitely wouldn't be much talk about boycotts or walk-outs. The GF makes plenty of money when hosted by the home side. Now they will definitely take a hit on GF ticket sales, especially if 1 or more interstate teams are involved, and especially if they are priced the same as previous years. Also if this first GF is a disaster, they will have trouble selling sponsor spots for the next one, which will be another financial hit.
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