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Speaking of investment, we've now had cumulative losses of around $400 million across 18 years of the A-League's existence.
That's some serious investment, and completely unsustainable.
The one thing we've learned across those 18 years?
Any time the league expands beyond 10 teams (which has occurred twice in its history), it runs into huge financial difficulties.
We're at a point where the A-League's largest club has suffered enormous losses in the last few seasons, to such an extent it has sold its soul to a foreign investment firm.
The conditions of the loan are so onerous, so weighted in favour of the loaner, that the Sicilian mafia would be proud of it. The loaner has successfully managed to have its cake and eat it too, I've never, ever seen the likes of such an agreement (except in movies featuring loan sharks).
Speculate about a future with 16 clubs in the league by all means, but we appear to be as far away from that as we were way back when Fury and GCU dropped out of the league in consecutive seasons.
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Squidley
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+xSpeaking of investment, we've now had cumulative losses of around $400 million across 18 years of the A-League's existence. That's some serious investment, and completely unsustainable. The one thing we've learned across those 18 years? Any time the league expands beyond 10 teams (which has occurred twice in its history), it runs into huge financial difficulties. We're at a point where the A-League's largest club has suffered enormous losses in the last few seasons, to such an extent it has sold its soul to a foreign investment firm. The conditions of the loan are so onerous, so weighted in favour of the loaner, that the Sicilian mafia would be proud of it. The loaner has successfully managed to have its cake and eat it too, I've never, ever seen the likes of such an agreement (except in movies featuring loan sharks). Speculate about a future with 16 clubs in the league by all means, but we appear to be as far away from that as we were way back when Fury and GCU dropped out of the league in consecutive seasons. Could not agree more. Fanciful stuff to think that 16 teams is viable. Stick with what we have for at least another 5 years and allow the clubs a chance to grow and prosper. 16 is way too many anyway. 14 should be the absolute most.
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+xSpeaking of investment, we've now had cumulative losses of around $400 million across 18 years of the A-League's existence. That's some serious investment, and completely unsustainable. The one thing we've learned across those 18 years? Any time the league expands beyond 10 teams (which has occurred twice in its history), it runs into huge financial difficulties. We're at a point where the A-League's largest club has suffered enormous losses in the last few seasons, to such an extent it has sold its soul to a foreign investment firm. The conditions of the loan are so onerous, so weighted in favour of the loaner, that the Sicilian mafia would be proud of it. The loaner has successfully managed to have its cake and eat it too, I've never, ever seen the likes of such an agreement (except in movies featuring loan sharks). Speculate about a future with 16 clubs in the league by all means, but we appear to be as far away from that as we were way back when Fury and GCU dropped out of the league in consecutive seasons. Which is why I mentioned that maybe two divisions of 8 teams is the way to go, I agree a 16 team closed league is too much but also the sporting merit will lose all purpose when it’s get towards the back end of the season with little to play for. The term ‘tanking’ comes to my mind. Use expansion to bring in 4 extra teams either through market based entry teams or via the NSD and split the down to 2 divisions instead, not only it will be more exciting you will create more competitive tension with less teams who have something to play with pro-rel but also finals series if they are needed going forward. Anything to create better sporting outcomes should be encouraged.
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+xSpeaking of investment, we've now had cumulative losses of around $400 million across 18 years of the A-League's existence. That's some serious investment, and completely unsustainable. The one thing we've learned across those 18 years? Yet investors are still there. Some leave, some come in but the league and teams are still there. Any time a new license is for sale it gets sold (to unworthy entities, sure) You say it's unsustainable while saying it's been going 18 years. 3 years tops. 3 years tops 3 years tops Anyway I'm no APL apologist that's for sure. Just pointing it out
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PGR
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+xSpeaking of investment, we've now had cumulative losses of around $400 million across 18 years of the A-League's existence. That's some serious investment, and completely unsustainable. The one thing we've learned across those 18 years? Any time the league expands beyond 10 teams (which has occurred twice in its history), it runs into huge financial difficulties. We're at a point where the A-League's largest club has suffered enormous losses in the last few seasons, to such an extent it has sold its soul to a foreign investment firm. The conditions of the loan are so onerous, so weighted in favour of the loaner, that the Sicilian mafia would be proud of it. The loaner has successfully managed to have its cake and eat it too, I've never, ever seen the likes of such an agreement (except in movies featuring loan sharks). Speculate about a future with 16 clubs in the league by all means, but we appear to be as far away from that as we were way back when Fury and GCU dropped out of the league in consecutive seasons. The clubs are probably doing much better now that they have a larger share of the income. It's the FA that has been missing out. The more clubs the merrier even if it means each club gets less. OK player payments may be compromised, but that's an acceptable trade-off. I would love to see all clubs in the hands of Australian owners but that may not be possible for a while. It is my wish however.
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+x+xSpeaking of investment, we've now had cumulative losses of around $400 million across 18 years of the A-League's existence. That's some serious investment, and completely unsustainable. The one thing we've learned across those 18 years? Any time the league expands beyond 10 teams (which has occurred twice in its history), it runs into huge financial difficulties. We're at a point where the A-League's largest club has suffered enormous losses in the last few seasons, to such an extent it has sold its soul to a foreign investment firm. The conditions of the loan are so onerous, so weighted in favour of the loaner, that the Sicilian mafia would be proud of it. The loaner has successfully managed to have its cake and eat it too, I've never, ever seen the likes of such an agreement (except in movies featuring loan sharks). Speculate about a future with 16 clubs in the league by all means, but we appear to be as far away from that as we were way back when Fury and GCU dropped out of the league in consecutive seasons. The clubs are probably doing much better now that they have a larger share of the income. It's the FA that has been missing out. The more clubs the merrier even if it means each club gets less. OK player payments may be compromised, but that's an acceptable trade-off. I would love to see all clubs in the hands of Australian owners but that may not be possible for a while. It is my wish however. The distribution to the clubs went down when the broadcast rights went down because of covid and then it went down again because of the penalties in the agreement with paramount. The clubs' income through the gate is way down and sponsorships are hard to get. As against that the FA income has gone up because it has its own broadcast rights deal and it has more good sponsorship deals. James said that FA has never been better off financially.
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PGR
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+x+x+xSpeaking of investment, we've now had cumulative losses of around $400 million across 18 years of the A-League's existence. That's some serious investment, and completely unsustainable. The one thing we've learned across those 18 years? Any time the league expands beyond 10 teams (which has occurred twice in its history), it runs into huge financial difficulties. We're at a point where the A-League's largest club has suffered enormous losses in the last few seasons, to such an extent it has sold its soul to a foreign investment firm. The conditions of the loan are so onerous, so weighted in favour of the loaner, that the Sicilian mafia would be proud of it. The loaner has successfully managed to have its cake and eat it too, I've never, ever seen the likes of such an agreement (except in movies featuring loan sharks). Speculate about a future with 16 clubs in the league by all means, but we appear to be as far away from that as we were way back when Fury and GCU dropped out of the league in consecutive seasons. The clubs are probably doing much better now that they have a larger share of the income. It's the FA that has been missing out. The more clubs the merrier even if it means each club gets less. OK player payments may be compromised, but that's an acceptable trade-off. I would love to see all clubs in the hands of Australian owners but that may not be possible for a while. It is my wish however. The distribution to the clubs went down when the broadcast rights went down because of covid and then it went down again because of the penalties in the agreement with paramount. The clubs' income through the gate is way down and sponsorships are hard to get. As against that the FA income has gone up because it has its own broadcast rights deal and it has more good sponsorship deals. James said that FA has never been better off financially. The distribution to the clubs from TV rights grew to 80% I think. Isn't this an increase in $ compared to what they were getting even based on the reduced TV rights? Covid issues is another matter. FA's revenue has been going down since the split however as they don't have to pay the wages for the clubs etc or bail them out any more their net position may well be more comfortable with less risk.
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+xSpeaking of investment, we've now had cumulative losses of around $400 million across 18 years of the A-League's existence. That's some serious investment, and completely unsustainable. The one thing we've learned across those 18 years? Any time the league expands beyond 10 teams (which has occurred twice in its history), it runs into huge financial difficulties. We're at a point where the A-League's largest club has suffered enormous losses in the last few seasons, to such an extent it has sold its soul to a foreign investment firm. The conditions of the loan are so onerous, so weighted in favour of the loaner, that the Sicilian mafia would be proud of it. The loaner has successfully managed to have its cake and eat it too, I've never, ever seen the likes of such an agreement (except in movies featuring loan sharks).Speculate about a future with 16 clubs in the league by all means, but we appear to be as far away from that as we were way back when Fury and GCU dropped out of the league in consecutive seasons. True but read this and be amazed. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-13/crown-casino-compensation-taxpayers/100371810 Imagine the lawyers that drafted this for Crown and then got it signed off by the government. I bet you champagne corks were popping that night.
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+x+xSpeaking of investment, we've now had cumulative losses of around $400 million across 18 years of the A-League's existence. That's some serious investment, and completely unsustainable. The one thing we've learned across those 18 years? Yet investors are still there. Some leave, some come in but the league and teams are still there. Any time a new license is for sale it gets sold (to unworthy entities, sure) Newcastle Jets say hello.
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patjennings
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+x+x+xSpeaking of investment, we've now had cumulative losses of around $400 million across 18 years of the A-League's existence. That's some serious investment, and completely unsustainable. The one thing we've learned across those 18 years? Yet investors are still there. Some leave, some come in but the league and teams are still there. Any time a new license is for sale it gets sold (to unworthy entities, sure) Newcastle Jets say hello. There are buyers in the wings - that is why Papas is blaming the ground, the players, the refs and anything he can think of for their plight. He will probably be out before Corica.
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Butler99
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+x+x+x+xSpeaking of investment, we've now had cumulative losses of around $400 million across 18 years of the A-League's existence. That's some serious investment, and completely unsustainable. The one thing we've learned across those 18 years? Yet investors are still there. Some leave, some come in but the league and teams are still there. Any time a new license is for sale it gets sold (to unworthy entities, sure) Newcastle Jets say hello. There are buyers in the wings - that is why Papas is blaming the ground, the players, the refs and anything he can think of for their plight. He will probably be out before Corica. There seems to always be "buyers in the wings". Been about 2 years sitting in the wings for Newcastle. Adelaide United has had a buyer in the wings for 18 months as well. Perth Glory have always had mentions of a potential sale and interest. Even our league tv deal when out to the market had 9 "interested parties"
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Davide82
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+x+x+xSpeaking of investment, we've now had cumulative losses of around $400 million across 18 years of the A-League's existence. That's some serious investment, and completely unsustainable. The one thing we've learned across those 18 years? Yet investors are still there. Some leave, some come in but the league and teams are still there. Any time a new license is for sale it gets sold (to unworthy entities, sure) Newcastle Jets say hello. I meant for a new team ie. a new license
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