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+xI think that we are trying to find / develop a young half while we wait for the one that we want to be available. Those that have been available so far are not the one we want which is a combination of talent and price. Sign a high priced half and thst affects the salary cap. The dumbest decision that the Dogs made was letting Thurston go. The smartest decision was getting Terry Lamb back to the club. Hynes would have been a priority for me, Hughes from the Storm also. Good players from a good system. No other names spring to mind, some of the young havles at the Titans are worth watching. Any quality half at the Panthers stuck in reserve grade is worth considering. DCE, Moses and most of the other names Marki mentions are way over priced compared to their talent, consistency and mental toughness. What’s most important. Is fining a half that compliments Burto. Moses is probably the best option.
Let’s look at it logically.
Burto has a great long kicking game and is developing a very good short kicking game. He did have a great running game and will most likely improve in that area. He has never been a ‘leader’ on the field.
So we need a player with a strong voice who can take pressure off Burton in our attacking structures. A backup kicking option and a strong runner if the ball.
That’s Moses as far as I’m concerned. I would also consider Hynes after what he showed last year. But that’s most likely no chance. Reynolds is our best option at the club.
Either way. It’s quite irrelevant for this year. I’m really looking forward to see the young Oloapu play tomorrow in reserve grade. Hopefully he has the talent to step up
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Marki
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+x+x, I bet you wouldn't either if it were Cleary or Munster that did it.
If Cleary or Munster did it, it’d be the exception for that game and the next dozen games that followed. Moses it was the normal, for that game - wasn’t the only dud kick or non-kick. Lemon fans would’ve been thinking “here we go again” from about the 60 min mark. And he’ll pull another performance like that within the month. 2nd tier, financially smacked in the arse with a rainbow by idiots. I personally think we've paid the stupid money to Burton at the expense of getting a good halfback. I know you guys still rate Burton and think he has not reached his ceiling. But I feel he may in fact be a limited player in the halves. The clubs decision could be the catalyst as to whether we can be a top 4 team or not in the next 3 years. Coz if we are not planning or aiming to be top 4 in the next 3 years, we may as well start supporting the Dolphins.
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Marki
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+xI think that we are trying to find / develop a young half while we wait for the one that we want to be available. Those that have been available so far are not the one we want which is a combination of talent and price. Sign a high priced half and thst affects the salary cap. The dumbest decision that the Dogs made was letting Thurston go. The smartest decision was getting Terry Lamb back to the club. Hynes would have been a priority for me, Hughes from the Storm also. Good players from a good system. No other names spring to mind, some of the young havles at the Titans are worth watching. Any quality half at the Panthers stuck in reserve grade is worth considering. DCE, Moses and most of the other names Marki mentions are way over priced compared to their talent, consistency and mental toughness. Rubbish Signing a high priced half does not affect your salary cap. It's normal to have your half as highest paid.
It's abnormal not to.
What throws your cap out is having BOTH your halves highly paid, although storm showed how it can be done if you're willing to limit salary on other positions.
Where we have pigeon holes ourselves is that we have banked on Burton being the higher paid and dominant half. It hasn't played out that way so far although it's still a work in progress.
I can understand Moses price may be at ridiculous levels and with no other top halves locked up and not on market we have looked at plan B, but I just feel like we always have an excuse when it comes to halves that's it's de ja vu all the time.
I'm curious what the next excuse is when Cleary, DCE, Walker and co come onto the market ...
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I've never seen a more negative approach to Test match cricket in my life......
Just play your shots and run down the score fellas.....
You can play this run chase 100 times with a T20 mindset and probably only fail to reach the target 10 times (if that).
Yet these guys are dancing with the devil trying to achieve it in 80overs.
Absolute stupidity
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+xI've never seen a more negative approach to Test match cricket in my life...... Just play your shots and run down the score fellas..... You can play this run chase 100 times with a T20 mindset and probably only fail to reach the target 10 times (if that). Yet these guys are dancing with the devil trying to achieve it in 80overs. Absolute stupidity WTF is the plan here seriously? Is there even a plan? If one of these Muppets gets out soon (invariably they will) with the score under 20 runs, do they not understand what pressure that puts on #4, 5 and 6? It's not like they can come in and throw their bat around.... They'll also have to knuckle down and then they'll be stuck on a run rate of 1 per over. Terrible mindset. Should have given authority to the top 4 batsmen to chase the runs with 3 or 4 per over and only change that plan if they lost 4 for under 30
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+x+xI've never seen a more negative approach to Test match cricket in my life...... Just play your shots and run down the score fellas..... You can play this run chase 100 times with a T20 mindset and probably only fail to reach the target 10 times (if that). Yet these guys are dancing with the devil trying to achieve it in 80overs. Absolute stupidity WTF is the plan here seriously? Is there even a plan? If one of these Muppets gets out soon (invariably they will) with the score under 20 runs, do they not understand what pressure that puts on #4, 5 and 6? It's not like they can come in and throw their bat around.... They'll also have to knuckle down and then they'll be stuck on a run rate of 1 per over. Terrible mindset. Should have given authority to the top 4 batsmen to chase the runs with 3 or 4 per over and only change that plan if they lost 4 for under 30 Finally! They woke up and realised they can only lose it with their stupidity and Head started scoring
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How can one be so so wrong about virtually everything virtually all the time???…
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+x+x+x, I bet you wouldn't either if it were Cleary or Munster that did it.
If Cleary or Munster did it, it’d be the exception for that game and the next dozen games that followed. Moses it was the normal, for that game - wasn’t the only dud kick or non-kick. Lemon fans would’ve been thinking “here we go again” from about the 60 min mark. And he’ll pull another performance like that within the month. 2nd tier, financially smacked in the arse with a rainbow by idiots. I personally think we've paid the stupid money to Burton at the expense of getting a good halfback. I know you guys still rate Burton and think he has not reached his ceiling. But I feel he may in fact be a limited player in the halves. The clubs decision could be the catalyst as to whether we can be a top 4 team or not in the next 3 years. Coz if we are not planning or aiming to be top 4 in the next 3 years, we may as well start supporting the Dolphins. I don’t think money is an issue. Apparently Burto signed for 800k a year. Possibly closer to 700k. Depending on what reports you read. That’s money for a top centre. He is a proven top class centre.
As far as Gould says we have plenty of cash to spend next year. So even if he doesn’t work out we have money for a million dollar halfback.
Who would you spend that money on over Burto anyway? Who would you sign in the next few years?
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So there is a rapid C19 test clinic in the departures gate at Melb…
2 questions..
1. Who is paying for this crap…
2. Who the fvck would come to an airport and think‘ I should get a test’…
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+x+x+xI've never seen a more negative approach to Test match cricket in my life...... Just play your shots and run down the score fellas..... You can play this run chase 100 times with a T20 mindset and probably only fail to reach the target 10 times (if that). Yet these guys are dancing with the devil trying to achieve it in 80overs. Absolute stupidity WTF is the plan here seriously? Is there even a plan? If one of these Muppets gets out soon (invariably they will) with the score under 20 runs, do they not understand what pressure that puts on #4, 5 and 6? It's not like they can come in and throw their bat around.... They'll also have to knuckle down and then they'll be stuck on a run rate of 1 per over. Terrible mindset. Should have given authority to the top 4 batsmen to chase the runs with 3 or 4 per over and only change that plan if they lost 4 for under 30 Finally! They woke up and realised they can only lose it with their stupidity and Head started scoring So Head played his natural game???…
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+x+xI think that we are trying to find / develop a young half while we wait for the one that we want to be available. Those that have been available so far are not the one we want which is a combination of talent and price. Sign a high priced half and thst affects the salary cap. The dumbest decision that the Dogs made was letting Thurston go. The smartest decision was getting Terry Lamb back to the club. Hynes would have been a priority for me, Hughes from the Storm also. Good players from a good system. No other names spring to mind, some of the young havles at the Titans are worth watching. Any quality half at the Panthers stuck in reserve grade is worth considering. DCE, Moses and most of the other names Marki mentions are way over priced compared to their talent, consistency and mental toughness. Rubbish Signing a high priced half does not affect your salary cap. It's normal to have your half as highest paid.
It's abnormal not to.
What throws your cap out is having BOTH your halves highly paid, although storm showed how it can be done if you're willing to limit salary on other positions.
Where we have pigeon holes ourselves is that we have banked on Burton being the higher paid and dominant half. It hasn't played out that way so far although it's still a work in progress.
I can understand Moses price may be at ridiculous levels and with no other top halves locked up and not on market we have looked at plan B, but I just feel like we always have an excuse when it comes to halves that's it's de ja vu all the time.
I'm curious what the next excuse is when Cleary, DCE, Walker and co come onto the market ... Burton’s on $850 maxed out for the next 5 years. Not excessive at all. F***in’ Brown’s on close to a $Mill, think even a touch over. Burton may or may not be the highest payed in the club at present, though I doubt he is I think Mahoney is on more, but neither will be if one of our potential 7’s nail it in the next few years and then get upgraded to be kept. Or if they fail and we look elsewhere. We got plenty of space to pay a $Mill #7 and I bet we plan too when one proves he’s worth it or we have to chase one. But that’ll be for the right one, not one who’s worth $800k and we pay $1.2 just because he’s the one on the market.
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Why are people still cut over us not going for Moses. Just look at last night. He had several opportunities to win that game and for an "elite" halfback failed to produce the goods. I really think we dodged a bullet by not proceeding with the bid and possibly landing his signature.
There was also mention of both halves being paid high money will throw the cap out of kilter. That's not us, but the Lemons fit the bill so they are stuffed if they keep him.
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+xHow can one be so so wrong about virtually everything virtually all the time???… Talent
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+x+x+x+xI've never seen a more negative approach to Test match cricket in my life...... Just play your shots and run down the score fellas..... You can play this run chase 100 times with a T20 mindset and probably only fail to reach the target 10 times (if that). Yet these guys are dancing with the devil trying to achieve it in 80overs. Absolute stupidity WTF is the plan here seriously? Is there even a plan? If one of these Muppets gets out soon (invariably they will) with the score under 20 runs, do they not understand what pressure that puts on #4, 5 and 6? It's not like they can come in and throw their bat around.... They'll also have to knuckle down and then they'll be stuck on a run rate of 1 per over. Terrible mindset. Should have given authority to the top 4 batsmen to chase the runs with 3 or 4 per over and only change that plan if they lost 4 for under 30 Finally! They woke up and realised they can only lose it with their stupidity and Head started scoring So Head played his natural game???… They should have had a dash and got all out for 20.
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+xWhy are people still cut over us not going for Moses. Just look at last night. He had several opportunities to win that game and for an "elite" halfback failed to produce the goods. I really think we dodged a bullet by not proceeding with the bid and possibly landing his signature. There was also mention of both halves being paid high money will throw the cap out of kilter. That's not us, but the Lemons fit the bill so they are stuffed if they keep him. Burton has a long kicking game, a long kicking game is the only thing of value that Moses consistently provides. I am trusting Gus and CC to get it right, I don't think Flanno is the answer, but he is keeping the seat warm for the answer. If the answer is one of the young guys at the club then that answer lasts 10 seasons, and is initially great value for money.
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Amazing that we left Head out of the first test...
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+xHow can one be so so wrong about virtually everything virtually all the time???… If you're insinuating ME being wrong, then you are very wrong yourself. It's only when they started to score that they took the game and result away from India. They were extremely lucky they didn't lose a wicket during that period of negative thinking. It was bordering on match fixing...
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Marki
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+x+x+x+x, I bet you wouldn't either if it were Cleary or Munster that did it.
If Cleary or Munster did it, it’d be the exception for that game and the next dozen games that followed. Moses it was the normal, for that game - wasn’t the only dud kick or non-kick. Lemon fans would’ve been thinking “here we go again” from about the 60 min mark. And he’ll pull another performance like that within the month. 2nd tier, financially smacked in the arse with a rainbow by idiots. I personally think we've paid the stupid money to Burton at the expense of getting a good halfback. I know you guys still rate Burton and think he has not reached his ceiling. But I feel he may in fact be a limited player in the halves. The clubs decision could be the catalyst as to whether we can be a top 4 team or not in the next 3 years. Coz if we are not planning or aiming to be top 4 in the next 3 years, we may as well start supporting the Dolphins. I don’t think money is an issue. Apparently Burto signed for 800k a year. Possibly closer to 700k. Depending on what reports you read. That’s money for a top centre. He is a proven top class centre.
As far as Gould says we have plenty of cash to spend next year. So even if he doesn’t work out we have money for a million dollar halfback.
Who would you spend that money on over Burto anyway? Who would you sign in the next few years? I don't have an issue with Burton on 700-800k either as 5/8th or centre. What I have an issue with are the excuses why we don't spend 25% more on a key playmaker
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+x+x+xI've never seen a more negative approach to Test match cricket in my life...... Just play your shots and run down the score fellas..... You can play this run chase 100 times with a T20 mindset and probably only fail to reach the target 10 times (if that). Yet these guys are dancing with the devil trying to achieve it in 80overs. Absolute stupidity WTF is the plan here seriously? Is there even a plan? If one of these Muppets gets out soon (invariably they will) with the score under 20 runs, do they not understand what pressure that puts on #4, 5 and 6? It's not like they can come in and throw their bat around.... They'll also have to knuckle down and then they'll be stuck on a run rate of 1 per over. Terrible mindset. Should have given authority to the top 4 batsmen to chase the runs with 3 or 4 per over and only change that plan if they lost 4 for under 30 Finally! They woke up and realised they can only lose it with their stupidity and Head started scoring They played it exactly correctly. One down for stuff all, play loose, lose 2 or 3 wickets we're in trouble. Settle,get in, pressure on the bowlers get the runs win easily
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Marki
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+x+x+x+xI've never seen a more negative approach to Test match cricket in my life...... Just play your shots and run down the score fellas..... You can play this run chase 100 times with a T20 mindset and probably only fail to reach the target 10 times (if that). Yet these guys are dancing with the devil trying to achieve it in 80overs. Absolute stupidity WTF is the plan here seriously? Is there even a plan? If one of these Muppets gets out soon (invariably they will) with the score under 20 runs, do they not understand what pressure that puts on #4, 5 and 6? It's not like they can come in and throw their bat around.... They'll also have to knuckle down and then they'll be stuck on a run rate of 1 per over. Terrible mindset. Should have given authority to the top 4 batsmen to chase the runs with 3 or 4 per over and only change that plan if they lost 4 for under 30 Finally! They woke up and realised they can only lose it with their stupidity and Head started scoring So Head played his natural game???… I dont care what his natural game is. I want them to adapt to the situation and play the way that is NEEDED to play, or in other words...DONT play the wrong way!
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+x+x+xI think that we are trying to find / develop a young half while we wait for the one that we want to be available. Those that have been available so far are not the one we want which is a combination of talent and price. Sign a high priced half and thst affects the salary cap. The dumbest decision that the Dogs made was letting Thurston go. The smartest decision was getting Terry Lamb back to the club. Hynes would have been a priority for me, Hughes from the Storm also. Good players from a good system. No other names spring to mind, some of the young havles at the Titans are worth watching. Any quality half at the Panthers stuck in reserve grade is worth considering. DCE, Moses and most of the other names Marki mentions are way over priced compared to their talent, consistency and mental toughness. Rubbish Signing a high priced half does not affect your salary cap. It's normal to have your half as highest paid.
It's abnormal not to.
What throws your cap out is having BOTH your halves highly paid, although storm showed how it can be done if you're willing to limit salary on other positions.
Where we have pigeon holes ourselves is that we have banked on Burton being the higher paid and dominant half. It hasn't played out that way so far although it's still a work in progress.
I can understand Moses price may be at ridiculous levels and with no other top halves locked up and not on market we have looked at plan B, but I just feel like we always have an excuse when it comes to halves that's it's de ja vu all the time.
I'm curious what the next excuse is when Cleary, DCE, Walker and co come onto the market ... Burton’s on $850 maxed out for the next 5 years. Not excessive at all. F***in’ Brown’s on close to a $Mill, think even a touch over. Burton may or may not be the highest payed in the club at present, though I doubt he is I think Mahoney is on more, but neither will be if one of our potential 7’s nail it in the next few years and then get upgraded to be kept. Or if they fail and we look elsewhere. We got plenty of space to pay a $Mill #7 and I bet we plan too when one proves he’s worth it or we have to chase one. But that’ll be for the right one, not one who’s worth $800k and we pay $1.2 just because he’s the one on the market. Footy isn't a house mortgage where you try to save today to have more tomorrow.... It's a sports business that depends on success. You can't keep out of finals race for too long just because you don't feel the guy on the market isn't worth his price tag. Like I always say, I'd rather pay a player abit more for a 2 or 3 years contract rather than go 4 or 5 years. It's done now anyway... We have made our bed with Burto and the hope of a rookieskimg it in the next 3 years. Looks like it's a 10 year plan ratter than a 3 year plan but that's ok, we have plenty of time.....
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+x+x+x+xI've never seen a more negative approach to Test match cricket in my life...... Just play your shots and run down the score fellas..... You can play this run chase 100 times with a T20 mindset and probably only fail to reach the target 10 times (if that). Yet these guys are dancing with the devil trying to achieve it in 80overs. Absolute stupidity WTF is the plan here seriously? Is there even a plan? If one of these Muppets gets out soon (invariably they will) with the score under 20 runs, do they not understand what pressure that puts on #4, 5 and 6? It's not like they can come in and throw their bat around.... They'll also have to knuckle down and then they'll be stuck on a run rate of 1 per over. Terrible mindset. Should have given authority to the top 4 batsmen to chase the runs with 3 or 4 per over and only change that plan if they lost 4 for under 30 Finally! They woke up and realised they can only lose it with their stupidity and Head started scoring They played it exactly correctly. One down for stuff all, play loose, lose 2 or 3 wickets we're in trouble. Settle,get in, pressure on the bowlers get the runs win easily It's ironic. History will show that the teams that have scored the lowest Test scores, did so by playing defensively. There's your answer
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I can see why Newcastle didn't pay the big dollars to keep Young. If you're not going to use a player why pay him big dollars.
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+x+x+x+x+xI've never seen a more negative approach to Test match cricket in my life...... Just play your shots and run down the score fellas..... You can play this run chase 100 times with a T20 mindset and probably only fail to reach the target 10 times (if that). Yet these guys are dancing with the devil trying to achieve it in 80overs. Absolute stupidity WTF is the plan here seriously? Is there even a plan? If one of these Muppets gets out soon (invariably they will) with the score under 20 runs, do they not understand what pressure that puts on #4, 5 and 6? It's not like they can come in and throw their bat around.... They'll also have to knuckle down and then they'll be stuck on a run rate of 1 per over. Terrible mindset. Should have given authority to the top 4 batsmen to chase the runs with 3 or 4 per over and only change that plan if they lost 4 for under 30 Finally! They woke up and realised they can only lose it with their stupidity and Head started scoring They played it exactly correctly. One down for stuff all, play loose, lose 2 or 3 wickets we're in trouble. Settle,get in, pressure on the bowlers get the runs win easily It's ironic. History will show that the teams that have scored the lowest Test scores, did so by playing defensively. There's your answer The bullshit unprovable stay brought to you by Mockviz…
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI've never seen a more negative approach to Test match cricket in my life...... Just play your shots and run down the score fellas..... You can play this run chase 100 times with a T20 mindset and probably only fail to reach the target 10 times (if that). Yet these guys are dancing with the devil trying to achieve it in 80overs. Absolute stupidity WTF is the plan here seriously? Is there even a plan? If one of these Muppets gets out soon (invariably they will) with the score under 20 runs, do they not understand what pressure that puts on #4, 5 and 6? It's not like they can come in and throw their bat around.... They'll also have to knuckle down and then they'll be stuck on a run rate of 1 per over. Terrible mindset. Should have given authority to the top 4 batsmen to chase the runs with 3 or 4 per over and only change that plan if they lost 4 for under 30 Finally! They woke up and realised they can only lose it with their stupidity and Head started scoring They played it exactly correctly. One down for stuff all, play loose, lose 2 or 3 wickets we're in trouble. Settle,get in, pressure on the bowlers get the runs win easily It's ironic. History will show that the teams that have scored the lowest Test scores, did so by playing defensively. There's your answer The bullshit unprovable stay brought to you by Mockviz… Stat*
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+x+x+x+x+x, I bet you wouldn't either if it were Cleary or Munster that did it.
If Cleary or Munster did it, it’d be the exception for that game and the next dozen games that followed. Moses it was the normal, for that game - wasn’t the only dud kick or non-kick. Lemon fans would’ve been thinking “here we go again” from about the 60 min mark. And he’ll pull another performance like that within the month. 2nd tier, financially smacked in the arse with a rainbow by idiots. I personally think we've paid the stupid money to Burton at the expense of getting a good halfback. I know you guys still rate Burton and think he has not reached his ceiling. But I feel he may in fact be a limited player in the halves. The clubs decision could be the catalyst as to whether we can be a top 4 team or not in the next 3 years. Coz if we are not planning or aiming to be top 4 in the next 3 years, we may as well start supporting the Dolphins. I don’t think money is an issue. Apparently Burto signed for 800k a year. Possibly closer to 700k. Depending on what reports you read. That’s money for a top centre. He is a proven top class centre.
As far as Gould says we have plenty of cash to spend next year. So even if he doesn’t work out we have money for a million dollar halfback.
Who would you spend that money on over Burto anyway? Who would you sign in the next few years? I don't have an issue with Burton on 700-800k either as 5/8th or centre. What I have an issue with are the excuses why we don't spend 25% more on a key playmaker Who would you spend that money on?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x, I bet you wouldn't either if it were Cleary or Munster that did it.
If Cleary or Munster did it, it’d be the exception for that game and the next dozen games that followed. Moses it was the normal, for that game - wasn’t the only dud kick or non-kick. Lemon fans would’ve been thinking “here we go again” from about the 60 min mark. And he’ll pull another performance like that within the month. 2nd tier, financially smacked in the arse with a rainbow by idiots. I personally think we've paid the stupid money to Burton at the expense of getting a good halfback. I know you guys still rate Burton and think he has not reached his ceiling. But I feel he may in fact be a limited player in the halves. The clubs decision could be the catalyst as to whether we can be a top 4 team or not in the next 3 years. Coz if we are not planning or aiming to be top 4 in the next 3 years, we may as well start supporting the Dolphins. I don’t think money is an issue. Apparently Burto signed for 800k a year. Possibly closer to 700k. Depending on what reports you read. That’s money for a top centre. He is a proven top class centre.
As far as Gould says we have plenty of cash to spend next year. So even if he doesn’t work out we have money for a million dollar halfback.
Who would you spend that money on over Burto anyway? Who would you sign in the next few years? I don't have an issue with Burton on 700-800k either as 5/8th or centre. What I have an issue with are the excuses why we don't spend 25% more on a key playmaker Who would you spend that money on? Look, I was all for signing Adam Reynolds, Nicho Hynes, Cam Munster.. Now I'm all for signing Moses. Every year or 2 you get the top halves in the comp coming off contract and although there are rumours that float around about us interested in talks with these elite halves, we pull the pin and look for cheaper options or rookies. It seems we have a ceiling fee on halves and once it's exceeded by market price, we pull out. We do so knowing full well we are throwing away our season. If I want to gamble on a rookie, I would rather just buy an instant scratchie....
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Sydney airport… not my intended destination… but at least can confirm the baggage carousels are stunning&brave…
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Even instant scratchies have a major prize. What's wrong with unearthing a gem?
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Both games I have watched high intensity.
Newcastle / Warriors perhaps in a lower gear.
Every club knows how important it is to start the season well and I am amazed how well the top clubs consistently fire out of the blocks at the start of season. And how the level goes up each season.
Even great teams from tbe 70s, 80s and 90s would IMO absolutely be lapped by modern NRL teams.
Anyone who hasn't done it doesn't understand how hard tbe training is, how well tuned the athletes are and the amount of detailed preparation.
Teams can't afford to be 5% off at the start of the season, because thst means racking up some early losses and it is hard to come back.
The Dogs need to match the physical strength of Manly and we need to be on in defence frustrating them into error... Bring it on. No other sport in this country has this level of intensity.
May the best Dogs team win.
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