NST phase 2 - The RFP


NST phase 2 - The RFP

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someguyjc - 30 Mar 2023 11:05 AM
numklpkgulftumch - 29 Mar 2023 12:43 PM

Correct me if I've misinterpreted the FA, but doesn't a CL format imply that it is to be played by champions? I interpret it to be essentially a knockout comp where the winners of the various NPL's compete for a trophy. If they can't get 10 suitable clubs, then the bids are no longer relevant as they are bidding for a full league not a knockout comp. A CL format is only a small number of games, so clubs wouldn't need to meet any of the requirements that the NST would. It would just be a short comp for the champions. It may not be preferred, but I can't imagine any club declining to compete in a national CL.
I dont think anyone would decline to compete in this competition per se, after all it was, up until 2019, a regular fixture of the NPL sporting calendar... All premiers of the various NPLs participated in the NPL Champions finals series to crown a NPL Australia Champion.....  Only problem is that this will be a limited matches "exposure" to national competition, without any real difference to what is a bare bones competiton anyway.... Unless the "best of the best" outside the Aleague is competing for a full season Australia wide, the whole thing is pointless.


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Monoethnic Social Club - 3 Apr 2023 10:02 AM
someguyjc - 30 Mar 2023 11:05 AM
I dont think anyone would decline to compete in this competition per se, after all it was, up until 2019, a regular fixture of the NPL sporting calendar... All premiers of the various NPLs participated in the NPL Champions finals series to crown a NPL Australia Champion.....  Only problem is that this will be a limited matches "exposure" to national competition, without any real difference to what is a bare bones competiton anyway.... Unless the "best of the best" outside the Aleague is competing for a full season Australia wide, the whole thing is pointless.


I tend to agree. My worry about a CL format is that it would almost certainly push the NST discussion way back. Once that decision is made, I doubt they would look at a proper NST for another 5-10 years. That being said, I don't see why they couldn't have both. CL with the champions from the NST and the various top level NPLs.
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someguyjc - 3 Apr 2023 10:55 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 3 Apr 2023 10:02 AM

I tend to agree. My worry about a CL format is that it would almost certainly push the NST discussion way back. Once that decision is made, I doubt they would look at a proper NST for another 5-10 years. That being said, I don't see why they couldn't have both. CL with the champions from the NST and the various top level NPLs.

In theory, the proposed League set-up will 'upon maturity' start Promoting from the NPL

An end-of-season competition of some sort may well be required to seperate those with claims to that Promotion spot anyhow
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someguyjc - 3 Apr 2023 10:55 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 3 Apr 2023 10:02 AM

I tend to agree. My worry about a CL format is that it would almost certainly push the NST discussion way back. Once that decision is made, I doubt they would look at a proper NST for another 5-10 years. That being said, I don't see why they couldn't have both. CL with the champions from the NST and the various top level NPLs.

Thats exactly why AAFC and other EOI clubs are so against it and the APL and anyone else wanting to keep football in this country permanently compartmentalised thinks this "kick the can down the road" solution is enough of a compromise. 

It really is that black and white .... 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 3 Apr 2023 12:58 PM
someguyjc - 3 Apr 2023 10:55 AM

Thats exactly why AAFC and other EOI clubs are so against it and the APL and anyone else wanting to keep football in this country permanently compartmentalised thinks this "kick the can down the road" solution is enough of a compromise. 

It really is that black and white .... 

Yes.
Always read the fine print in these things.
Always be thinking that there are powerful forces who are trying to put the kybosh on the idea.
For them:  "kicking the can down the road" is a win.
When the FA changed the terminology from NSD to NST that was about as big a hint as you were ever going to get as to where their thinking was (or at least, purposefully keeping their options open, because the odds of achieving a traditional structure were lengthening by the day).

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bettega - 3 Apr 2023 1:11 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 3 Apr 2023 12:58 PM

Yes.
Always read the fine print in these things.
Always be thinking that there are powerful forces who are trying to put the kybosh on the idea.
For them:  "kicking the can down the road" is a win.
When the FA changed the terminology from NSD to NST that was about as big a hint as you were ever going to get as to where their thinking was (or at least, purposefully keeping their options open, because the odds of achieving a traditional structure were lengthening by the day).

Fine print????? Mate its in letters bigger than the Hollywood sign in LA.....  We are too busy bashing each other up about who is better "old soccer" vs "new football" and the APL is just chuffing along trying to sell the next ponzi license hoping the whole deck of cards doesn't all come crashing down before they manage to pull as much "juice" out of us as possible. They dont need "fine print", they show their disdain towards football every single day.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 3 Apr 2023 5:22 PM
bettega - 3 Apr 2023 1:11 PM

Fine print????? Mate its in letters bigger than the Hollywood sign in LA.....  We are too busy bashing each other up about who is better "old soccer" vs "new football" and the APL is just chuffing along trying to sell the next ponzi license hoping the whole deck of cards doesn't all come crashing down before they manage to pull as much "juice" out of us as possible. They dont need "fine print", they show their disdain towards football every single day.

Yes, well, there is that.

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https://twitter.com/AAFClubs/status/1641896539533774850

Hhahahahahahahha sorry forgot to post this earlier..... it made me rub my eyes on Saturday morning waiting for my coffee I can tell you.... 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 4 Apr 2023 11:33 AM
https://twitter.com/AAFClubs/status/1641896539533774850

Hhahahahahahahha sorry forgot to post this earlier..... it made me rub my eyes on Saturday morning waiting for my coffee I can tell you.... 

This proves, once again, how lucky we are to have Johnson driving the change in football in this country. He has the ‘ear’ of FIFA and will continue to change the structure of football administration to reflect its place as the global sport that it is and change the attitudes of those who see football in terms of its ‘place’ in the landscape of Australian sport. 
We will get the tiered system that I for one crave, the A League will join as the top tier once the tiers below become established and it won’t be ten years away as some are suggesting.



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libelous - 4 Apr 2023 12:15 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 4 Apr 2023 11:33 AM

This proves, once again, how lucky we are to have Johnson driving the change in football in this country. He has the ‘ear’ of FIFA and will continue to change the structure of football administration to reflect its place as the global sport that it is and change the attitudes of those who see football in terms of its ‘place’ in the landscape of Australian sport. 
We will get the tiered system that I for one crave, the A League will join as the top tier once the tiers below become established and it won’t be ten years away as some are suggesting.



Mate, check the date it was posted :)
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Monoethnic Social Club - 4 Apr 2023 12:26 PM
libelous - 4 Apr 2023 12:15 PM

Mate, check the date it was posted :)

Does that make it a no go. You’re far too cynical!
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libelous - 4 Apr 2023 1:15 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 4 Apr 2023 12:26 PM

Does that make it a no go. You’re far too cynical!

:) I am indeed mate but in this case I'm pretty sure its an April Fools gag.... How cool would it be though if an NST club was part of the Club World Cup ... its been 23 years since South last made it :)
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Monoethnic Social Club - 4 Apr 2023 11:33 AM
https://twitter.com/AAFClubs/status/1641896539533774850

Hhahahahahahahha sorry forgot to post this earlier..... it made me rub my eyes on Saturday morning waiting for my coffee I can tell you.... 

I thought it was FAs announcement about letting blokes play with chicks in their competition. 

Yep. Lucky we have JJ
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Butler99 - 5 Apr 2023 10:51 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 4 Apr 2023 11:33 AM

I thought it was FAs announcement about letting blokes play with chicks in their competition. 

Yep. Lucky we have JJ
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Hahahahah nah Im almost sure that was an April Fools prank also.... who knows these days though right?

Bag JJ if you must but at least his last 12-18 months seem to bring about some small changes to the closed shop cartel ponzi scheme way of doing things ... If even just one of the reforms he is pushing for comes off we will all be in a better position moving forward..... 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 6 Apr 2023 1:59 PM
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Hahahahah nah Im almost sure that was an April Fools prank also.... who knows these days though right?

Bag JJ if you must but at least his last 12-18 months seem to bring about some small changes to the closed shop cartel ponzi scheme way of doing things ... If even just one of the reforms he is pushing for comes off we will all be in a better position moving forward..... 

You mean the reform that Lowy started? Yeah, great work JJ our saviour.

Any way, you can't call the introduction of the NST 'reform'. It's evolution.
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PGR - 6 Apr 2023 2:43 PM
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You mean the reform that Lowy started? Yeah, great work JJ our saviour.

Any way, you can't call the introduction of the NST 'reform'. It's evolution.

"Evolution" by going back to the same old tinpot clubs he tried to destroy 20 years ago, to save soccer in Australia .... nice. 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 6 Apr 2023 3:31 PM
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"Evolution" by going back to the same old tinpot clubs he tried to destroy 20 years ago, to save soccer in Australia .... nice. 

Yeah I guess it's more of a 'renovation'. Not doing anything new. Just some new timber floors, a coat of paint and maybe some new lighting. Foundations are still the same though. Nothing wrong with a renovation though. Let's just hope they do the whole house and not just the kitchen.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 6 Apr 2023 3:31 PM
PGR - 6 Apr 2023 2:43 PM

"Evolution" by going back to the same old tinpot clubs he tried to destroy 20 years ago, to save soccer in Australia .... nice. 

Very emotive and inaccurate.
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someguyjc - 6 Apr 2023 4:12 PM
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Yeah I guess it's more of a 'renovation'. Not doing anything new. Just some new timber floors, a coat of paint and maybe some new lighting. Foundations are still the same though. Nothing wrong with a renovation though. Let's just hope they do the whole house and not just the kitchen.

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and less of this:
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PGR - 6 Apr 2023 4:24 PM
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Very emotive and inaccurate.

and your revisionist garbage is what exactly? Accurate? pfffft If a DTS, fair and equitable voting rights to ALL stakeholders and a clear plan for both Aleague expansion and eventual pro/rel were all part of Lowys grand plan he wouldn't have left with his tail between his legs, taking his gormless son with him..... 
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The rumours have started on the NST, a major sponsor is in the pipeline at a level not far off the ALM ISUZU Sponsorship. An 8 figure sum over 5 years.
Interest also from a national free to air broadcaster, that will promote this sponsor and provide opportunities for Clubs to attract bettter sponsor deals for themselves with national exposure.
A couple of more sponsors and it will be cost neutral to be in the NST.


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Monoethnic Social Club - 6 Apr 2023 4:31 PM
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and your revisionist garbage is what exactly? Accurate? pfffft If a DTS, fair and equitable voting rights to ALL stakeholders and a clear plan for both Aleague expansion and eventual pro/rel were all part of Lowys grand plan he wouldn't have left with his tail between his legs, taking his gormless son with him..... 

Expansion, NSD and eventual pro/rel were indeed all part of his plans. We know the olf FFA wanted the main voting rights and now look at what we have which resulted in - the total control of the AL by the APL (we know how well they're doing), the bulk of the TV money to the APL (not a cent spent on promotion), the lack of additional funds to other areas (APL hogging it all to themselves although the FA have some but not enough) and no action in injecting public interest in the game such as utilizing marquees. Nothing revisionist here, just a poor outcome that all can see.
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Arthur - 7 Apr 2023 4:19 PM
The rumours have started on the NST, a major sponsor is in the pipeline at a level not far off the ALM ISUZU Sponsorship. An 8 figure sum over 5 years.
Interest also from a national free to air broadcaster, that will promote this sponsor and provide opportunities for Clubs to attract bettter sponsor deals for themselves with national exposure.
A couple of more sponsors and it will be cost neutral to be in the NST.


If the rumour is true, this will be great that there will be enough funds to support all the clubs to become professional. Which is a must for it to provide that gap and succeed. Otherwise, 3 years tops.
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Arthur - 7 Apr 2023 4:19 PM
The rumours have started on the NST, a major sponsor is in the pipeline at a level not far off the ALM ISUZU Sponsorship. An 8 figure sum over 5 years.
Interest also from a national free to air broadcaster, that will promote this sponsor and provide opportunities for Clubs to attract bettter sponsor deals for themselves with national exposure.
A couple of more sponsors and it will be cost neutral to be in the NST.


Marathon Foods? 😋
Metro Travel?
Brescia Furniture?
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Arthur - 7 Apr 2023 4:19 PM

Marathon Foods? 😋
Metro Travel?
Brescia Furniture?

Mirabella Lighting?
Borsari Emporium?

All we're missing is Franco Cozzo!
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Mirabella Lighting?
Borsari Emporium?

All we're missing is Franco Cozzo!

JAT😱
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Red Lea (what was that? Markets?)
Olympic Airways
Barilla



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Im hoping for more of this:
Four Breathtaking Greek Villas

and less of this:
The browning of McDonald's | Restaurant-ing through history

Or could end up like this.....

Image result for Image Tin Pot Shack

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Arthur - 7 Apr 2023 4:19 PM
The rumours have started on the NST, a major sponsor is in the pipeline at a level not far off the ALM ISUZU Sponsorship. An 8 figure sum over 5 years.
Interest also from a national free to air broadcaster, that will promote this sponsor and provide opportunities for Clubs to attract bettter sponsor deals for themselves with national exposure.
A couple of more sponsors and it will be cost neutral to be in the NST.


Will fuckin laugh if it's Mineralogy,

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Monoethnic Social Club - 6 Apr 2023 4:27 PM

Or could end up like this.....

Image result for Image Tin Pot Shack

Is that Western United's training ground or the "resort" your staying at Paulie ? 
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Butler99 - 7 Apr 2023 6:14 PM
PGR - 7 Apr 2023 6:04 PM

JAT😱
Vivienne's Collection
Red Lea (what was that? Markets?)
Olympic Airways
Barilla



Hahahahahah JAT and Olympic Airways.... hahahahahahahha they dont sound very "bonza" do they hahahahahahahah
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