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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMate, as an aside, have you noticed how the fan culture in the US embraces different types of support? For example there is a group for each sub-community of fans the EPL-wannabes do English style chants, the Latinos chant in Spanish and have massive drums, the Euro Balkan Ultra wannabees have one drum and safe smoke..... it really is interesting .... The responses to the Atlanta United clip you show have many calling "Vamos" Atlanta... hahha here we dont even like acknowledging there are other languages let alone encouraging fans to speak them at the sokkah. Vamos is lets's go in Spanish (Mexican). Their owner & president are American, their board in varied (not monocultured), the club is American. They may have a huge Mexican following, but the club is not Mexican dominated. Note the difference. Sorry what do you mean? Are you making an assumption about the "culture" of the board based on their names? Mexicans are also "American" by the way, as are Brazilians and Argentinians etc etc.. and anyone else living or from North, South or Central America. What do you think of the chanting in the clip below, would you love that in the A league? Would that make you feel included? .... just asking for a friend :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQmUZqqoOA I'm of Portuguese background so Vamos doesn't worry me. Sydney FC fans also sing Sydney Ole ole ole, this is also Latino. Again, no issues. So is it just languages that YOU personally dont understand that you want to see banned??? Greek, Italian, Croatian... what else? The clip I sent you, which you either didnt watch or conveniently chose to not acknowledge, shows a full on chant in Spanish, NOT JUST VAMOS ... Something that every other non-Spanish speaking person would NOT understand yet it is welcomed and promoted even.... The have(had) clubs called "Chivas" and "Inter" and "Real" and couldn't seem to bat an eyelid.... Here you have people like yourself looking at the names of board members at a club and deciding who you think was and wasnt born in Australia and has/hasn;t got the right to call themselves Australian all the while praying that more foreign investement groups buy franchises in your "so called" professional league so you can remain entertained..... You can think what you like, I have many friends who are Croatian, Italian & Greek, many of them are also SFC fans. Yes I did listen to the whole video & I thought it was great that they have so many latino fans singing in Spanish. It's you with all the issues. I think embracing the names of famous football clubs around the world is wonderful. I'm all for the new Canberra team to be called Real Canberra or the new Auckland team to be called Inter Auckland. I'm all for Sth Melbourne in the 2nd tier of football in this country. But not in the "1st tier" right? Why? Genuine question considering you now dont mind chanting in foreign languages even though in the past (correct me if I am wrong) you said one of the main reason why you didnt have a team to support for 27 years in Australia was because the crowds mainly spoke a language you didn't understand??? I thought it was great too btw (the Spanish chanting that is) wish we had more of that sort of tolerance in Australia. Nothing about the crowds speaking a different language.
I didn't follow Apia or Marconi because I didn't live near Leichardt nor was I Italian I didn't follow Sydney Olympic because I didn't live near the inner suburbs of Sydney, nor was a Greek, likewise with the Croatian clubs. None of them represented me.
I don't live near Moore park but I support SFC, because they are not a Mono-culture club & caters for all Sydney people, whether they are Aussies, Croats, English, Middle Eastern, Japanese or even Portuguese. As I said in the post above it's all about perception, I have no issues with Sth Melbourne or Marconi, but the perception of some & especially those who make the decisions are that these are Greek & Italian clubs. This was my exact experience when I moved to Sydney in the late 80's. Went a couple of times and then never again. whole different ball game nowadays, I actually thought the atmosphere was electric back then, sure was a bit intimidating but I felt the same going to nrl games whilst their supporters were on the piss. Its 2023 and even before its no where near the same as the 60/70/80's. This is thing, people keep their mindset of their experience way way back move on, sure they all have the DNA but its so mixed now and sitting at games is no diff sitting near the Cove to me. Funnily most NPL Clubs have near on every nationality mentioned in their squads its that mixed and like any player play for the Badge and sing the tunes. Its no probs and normal banter behaviour to opposing players that is no diff at nrl games Whereas going to WSW/SFC derbies at parra I ain't going there again - last time pre covid the behaviour was like the 70/80's NSL and that was post heydays of the RBB.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xMate, as an aside, have you noticed how the fan culture in the US embraces different types of support? For example there is a group for each sub-community of fans the EPL-wannabes do English style chants, the Latinos chant in Spanish and have massive drums, the Euro Balkan Ultra wannabees have one drum and safe smoke..... it really is interesting .... The responses to the Atlanta United clip you show have many calling "Vamos" Atlanta... hahha here we dont even like acknowledging there are other languages let alone encouraging fans to speak them at the sokkah. Vamos is lets's go in Spanish (Mexican). Their owner & president are American, their board in varied (not monocultured), the club is American. They may have a huge Mexican following, but the club is not Mexican dominated. Note the difference. Sorry what do you mean? Are you making an assumption about the "culture" of the board based on their names? Mexicans are also "American" by the way, as are Brazilians and Argentinians etc etc.. and anyone else living or from North, South or Central America. What do you think of the chanting in the clip below, would you love that in the A league? Would that make you feel included? .... just asking for a friend :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQmUZqqoOA I'm of Portuguese background so Vamos doesn't worry me. Sydney FC fans also sing Sydney Ole ole ole, this is also Latino. Again, no issues. and the next effnick chant, FORZA - Vamos been around for yonks another rippa but some just see these traits as effnick here, utterly ridiculous. Whats ridiculous is oi oi oi to me hahaha I actually cringe when I'm surrounded by it. Middy, re you coming back about people knocking MLS growth, if it was towards my posts let me set the record straight, TBH I really do NOT care and don't rate the league regards to Quality. When I see a 36yrs GOAT make their defenses look paper thin And might I add so did Ibra not too long ago and so did another before and before therefore the cycle continues. Rate the Quantity all you like for as I said with all the $$$$ at hand it sure bloody well should keep growing the show, Beckham/Miami will take it the next level no doubt about it attendance wise they don't call him Golden Balls for kicks. When I see more home grown yanks being bought to play in euro leagues (whilst they are the ongoing BAR) then I'll look up regards to quality. Midd doesnt really care about the quality of the football mate, its the dollars being made that he is impressed by, and I agree with him.. The Yanks certainly know how to turn a buck from anything.... Sorry the quality of the MLS is there for all to see, huge influences from central and south America... many coaches and academy heads from central and south America, many high quality player choosing MLS over Europe especially from central and south America. is it EPL quality..... no.... but move away from the the top few leagues and the MLS is there and improving its not hoofball
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+x+x+x+x+x+xMate, as an aside, have you noticed how the fan culture in the US embraces different types of support? For example there is a group for each sub-community of fans the EPL-wannabes do English style chants, the Latinos chant in Spanish and have massive drums, the Euro Balkan Ultra wannabees have one drum and safe smoke..... it really is interesting .... The responses to the Atlanta United clip you show have many calling "Vamos" Atlanta... hahha here we dont even like acknowledging there are other languages let alone encouraging fans to speak them at the sokkah. Vamos is lets's go in Spanish (Mexican). Their owner & president are American, their board in varied (not monocultured), the club is American. They may have a huge Mexican following, but the club is not Mexican dominated. Note the difference. Sorry what do you mean? Are you making an assumption about the "culture" of the board based on their names? Mexicans are also "American" by the way, as are Brazilians and Argentinians etc etc.. and anyone else living or from North, South or Central America. What do you think of the chanting in the clip below, would you love that in the A league? Would that make you feel included? .... just asking for a friend :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQmUZqqoOA I'm of Portuguese background so Vamos doesn't worry me. Sydney FC fans also sing Sydney Ole ole ole, this is also Latino. Again, no issues. So is it just languages that YOU personally dont understand that you want to see banned??? Greek, Italian, Croatian... what else? The clip I sent you, which you either didnt watch or conveniently chose to not acknowledge, shows a full on chant in Spanish, NOT JUST VAMOS ... Something that every other non-Spanish speaking person would NOT understand yet it is welcomed and promoted even.... The have(had) clubs called "Chivas" and "Inter" and "Real" and couldn't seem to bat an eyelid.... Here you have people like yourself looking at the names of board members at a club and deciding who you think was and wasnt born in Australia and has/hasn;t got the right to call themselves Australian all the while praying that more foreign investement groups buy franchises in your "so called" professional league so you can remain entertained..... I'm all for the new Canberra team to be called Real Canberra or the new Auckland team to be called Inter Auckland. There needs to be actual relevance in being called that though..
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMate, as an aside, have you noticed how the fan culture in the US embraces different types of support? For example there is a group for each sub-community of fans the EPL-wannabes do English style chants, the Latinos chant in Spanish and have massive drums, the Euro Balkan Ultra wannabees have one drum and safe smoke..... it really is interesting .... The responses to the Atlanta United clip you show have many calling "Vamos" Atlanta... hahha here we dont even like acknowledging there are other languages let alone encouraging fans to speak them at the sokkah. Vamos is lets's go in Spanish (Mexican). Their owner & president are American, their board in varied (not monocultured), the club is American. They may have a huge Mexican following, but the club is not Mexican dominated. Note the difference. Sorry what do you mean? Are you making an assumption about the "culture" of the board based on their names? Mexicans are also "American" by the way, as are Brazilians and Argentinians etc etc.. and anyone else living or from North, South or Central America. What do you think of the chanting in the clip below, would you love that in the A league? Would that make you feel included? .... just asking for a friend :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQmUZqqoOA I'm of Portuguese background so Vamos doesn't worry me. Sydney FC fans also sing Sydney Ole ole ole, this is also Latino. Again, no issues. and the next effnick chant, FORZA - Vamos been around for yonks another rippa but some just see these traits as effnick here, utterly ridiculous. Whats ridiculous is oi oi oi to me hahaha I actually cringe when I'm surrounded by it. Middy, re you coming back about people knocking MLS growth, if it was towards my posts let me set the record straight, TBH I really do NOT care and don't rate the league regards to Quality. When I see a 36yrs GOAT make their defenses look paper thin And might I add so did Ibra not too long ago and so did another before and before therefore the cycle continues. Rate the Quantity all you like for as I said with all the $$$$ at hand it sure bloody well should keep growing the show, Beckham/Miami will take it the next level no doubt about it attendance wise they don't call him Golden Balls for kicks. When I see more home grown yanks being bought to play in euro leagues (whilst they are the ongoing BAR) then I'll look up regards to quality. Midd doesnt really care about the quality of the football mate, its the dollars being made that he is impressed by, and I agree with him.. The Yanks certainly know how to turn a buck from anything.... Sorry the quality of the MLS is there for all to see, huge influences from central and south America... many coaches and academy heads from central and south America, many high quality player choosing MLS over Europe especially from central and south America. is it EPL quality..... no.... but move away from the the top few leagues and the MLS is there and improving its not hoofball Judging (solely) on the walking pace and ease which former European league stars, well past their prime, score goals I wouldnt say its their just yet mate. Not even close.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMate, as an aside, have you noticed how the fan culture in the US embraces different types of support? For example there is a group for each sub-community of fans the EPL-wannabes do English style chants, the Latinos chant in Spanish and have massive drums, the Euro Balkan Ultra wannabees have one drum and safe smoke..... it really is interesting .... The responses to the Atlanta United clip you show have many calling "Vamos" Atlanta... hahha here we dont even like acknowledging there are other languages let alone encouraging fans to speak them at the sokkah. Vamos is lets's go in Spanish (Mexican). Their owner & president are American, their board in varied (not monocultured), the club is American. They may have a huge Mexican following, but the club is not Mexican dominated. Note the difference. Sorry what do you mean? Are you making an assumption about the "culture" of the board based on their names? Mexicans are also "American" by the way, as are Brazilians and Argentinians etc etc.. and anyone else living or from North, South or Central America. What do you think of the chanting in the clip below, would you love that in the A league? Would that make you feel included? .... just asking for a friend :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQmUZqqoOA I'm of Portuguese background so Vamos doesn't worry me. Sydney FC fans also sing Sydney Ole ole ole, this is also Latino. Again, no issues. So is it just languages that YOU personally dont understand that you want to see banned??? Greek, Italian, Croatian... what else? The clip I sent you, which you either didnt watch or conveniently chose to not acknowledge, shows a full on chant in Spanish, NOT JUST VAMOS ... Something that every other non-Spanish speaking person would NOT understand yet it is welcomed and promoted even.... The have(had) clubs called "Chivas" and "Inter" and "Real" and couldn't seem to bat an eyelid.... Here you have people like yourself looking at the names of board members at a club and deciding who you think was and wasnt born in Australia and has/hasn;t got the right to call themselves Australian all the while praying that more foreign investement groups buy franchises in your "so called" professional league so you can remain entertained..... You can think what you like, I have many friends who are Croatian, Italian & Greek, many of them are also SFC fans. Yes I did listen to the whole video & I thought it was great that they have so many latino fans singing in Spanish. It's you with all the issues. I think embracing the names of famous football clubs around the world is wonderful. I'm all for the new Canberra team to be called Real Canberra or the new Auckland team to be called Inter Auckland. I'm all for Sth Melbourne in the 2nd tier of football in this country. But not in the "1st tier" right? Why? Genuine question considering you now dont mind chanting in foreign languages even though in the past (correct me if I am wrong) you said one of the main reason why you didnt have a team to support for 27 years in Australia was because the crowds mainly spoke a language you didn't understand??? I thought it was great too btw (the Spanish chanting that is) wish we had more of that sort of tolerance in Australia. Nothing about the crowds speaking a different language.
I didn't follow Apia or Marconi because I didn't live near Leichardt nor was I Italian I didn't follow Sydney Olympic because I didn't live near the inner suburbs of Sydney, nor was a Greek, likewise with the Croatian clubs. None of them represented me.
I don't live near Moore park but I support SFC, because they are not a Mono-culture club & caters for all Sydney people, whether they are Aussies, Croats, English, Middle Eastern, Japanese or even Portuguese. As I said in the post above it's all about perception, I have no issues with Sth Melbourne or Marconi, but the perception of some & especially those who make the decisions are that these are Greek & Italian clubs. This was my exact experience when I moved to Sydney in the late 80's. Went a couple of times and then never again. Yeah thats a valid take Muz... I also refuse to eat in a McDonalds because they tend to not empty the ashtrays inside the restaurant and its just gross eating amongst all the cigarette buts.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMate, as an aside, have you noticed how the fan culture in the US embraces different types of support? For example there is a group for each sub-community of fans the EPL-wannabes do English style chants, the Latinos chant in Spanish and have massive drums, the Euro Balkan Ultra wannabees have one drum and safe smoke..... it really is interesting .... The responses to the Atlanta United clip you show have many calling "Vamos" Atlanta... hahha here we dont even like acknowledging there are other languages let alone encouraging fans to speak them at the sokkah. Vamos is lets's go in Spanish (Mexican). Their owner & president are American, their board in varied (not monocultured), the club is American. They may have a huge Mexican following, but the club is not Mexican dominated. Note the difference. Sorry what do you mean? Are you making an assumption about the "culture" of the board based on their names? Mexicans are also "American" by the way, as are Brazilians and Argentinians etc etc.. and anyone else living or from North, South or Central America. What do you think of the chanting in the clip below, would you love that in the A league? Would that make you feel included? .... just asking for a friend :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQmUZqqoOA I'm of Portuguese background so Vamos doesn't worry me. Sydney FC fans also sing Sydney Ole ole ole, this is also Latino. Again, no issues. So is it just languages that YOU personally dont understand that you want to see banned??? Greek, Italian, Croatian... what else? The clip I sent you, which you either didnt watch or conveniently chose to not acknowledge, shows a full on chant in Spanish, NOT JUST VAMOS ... Something that every other non-Spanish speaking person would NOT understand yet it is welcomed and promoted even.... The have(had) clubs called "Chivas" and "Inter" and "Real" and couldn't seem to bat an eyelid.... Here you have people like yourself looking at the names of board members at a club and deciding who you think was and wasnt born in Australia and has/hasn;t got the right to call themselves Australian all the while praying that more foreign investement groups buy franchises in your "so called" professional league so you can remain entertained..... You can think what you like, I have many friends who are Croatian, Italian & Greek, many of them are also SFC fans. Yes I did listen to the whole video & I thought it was great that they have so many latino fans singing in Spanish. It's you with all the issues. I think embracing the names of famous football clubs around the world is wonderful. I'm all for the new Canberra team to be called Real Canberra or the new Auckland team to be called Inter Auckland. I'm all for Sth Melbourne in the 2nd tier of football in this country. But not in the "1st tier" right? Why? Genuine question considering you now dont mind chanting in foreign languages even though in the past (correct me if I am wrong) you said one of the main reason why you didnt have a team to support for 27 years in Australia was because the crowds mainly spoke a language you didn't understand??? I thought it was great too btw (the Spanish chanting that is) wish we had more of that sort of tolerance in Australia. Nothing about the crowds speaking a different language. I didn't follow Apia or Marconi because I didn't live near Leichardt nor was I Italian I didn't follow Sydney Olympic because I didn't live near the inner suburbs of Sydney, nor was a Greek, likewise with the Croatian clubs. None of them represented me. I don't live near Moore park but I support SFC, because they are not a Mono-culture club & caters for all Sydney people, whether they are Aussies, Croats, English, Middle Eastern, Japanese or even Portuguese. As I said in the post above it's all about perception, I have no issues with Sth Melbourne or Marconi, but the perception of some & especially those who make the decisions are that these are Greek & Italian clubs. Yeah mate but why is that perception still a thing? Why is it that when I look at Marconi I see a club, founded by Italian immigrants 50-60-70 years ago, now followed and run by Australians and supported by Australians of all walks of life and you see Italians?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMate, as an aside, have you noticed how the fan culture in the US embraces different types of support? For example there is a group for each sub-community of fans the EPL-wannabes do English style chants, the Latinos chant in Spanish and have massive drums, the Euro Balkan Ultra wannabees have one drum and safe smoke..... it really is interesting .... The responses to the Atlanta United clip you show have many calling "Vamos" Atlanta... hahha here we dont even like acknowledging there are other languages let alone encouraging fans to speak them at the sokkah. Vamos is lets's go in Spanish (Mexican). Their owner & president are American, their board in varied (not monocultured), the club is American. They may have a huge Mexican following, but the club is not Mexican dominated. Note the difference. Sorry what do you mean? Are you making an assumption about the "culture" of the board based on their names? Mexicans are also "American" by the way, as are Brazilians and Argentinians etc etc.. and anyone else living or from North, South or Central America. What do you think of the chanting in the clip below, would you love that in the A league? Would that make you feel included? .... just asking for a friend :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQmUZqqoOA I'm of Portuguese background so Vamos doesn't worry me. Sydney FC fans also sing Sydney Ole ole ole, this is also Latino. Again, no issues. So is it just languages that YOU personally dont understand that you want to see banned??? Greek, Italian, Croatian... what else? The clip I sent you, which you either didnt watch or conveniently chose to not acknowledge, shows a full on chant in Spanish, NOT JUST VAMOS ... Something that every other non-Spanish speaking person would NOT understand yet it is welcomed and promoted even.... The have(had) clubs called "Chivas" and "Inter" and "Real" and couldn't seem to bat an eyelid.... Here you have people like yourself looking at the names of board members at a club and deciding who you think was and wasnt born in Australia and has/hasn;t got the right to call themselves Australian all the while praying that more foreign investement groups buy franchises in your "so called" professional league so you can remain entertained..... You can think what you like, I have many friends who are Croatian, Italian & Greek, many of them are also SFC fans. Yes I did listen to the whole video & I thought it was great that they have so many latino fans singing in Spanish. It's you with all the issues. I think embracing the names of famous football clubs around the world is wonderful. I'm all for the new Canberra team to be called Real Canberra or the new Auckland team to be called Inter Auckland. I'm all for Sth Melbourne in the 2nd tier of football in this country. But not in the "1st tier" right? Why? Genuine question considering you now dont mind chanting in foreign languages even though in the past (correct me if I am wrong) you said one of the main reason why you didnt have a team to support for 27 years in Australia was because the crowds mainly spoke a language you didn't understand??? I thought it was great too btw (the Spanish chanting that is) wish we had more of that sort of tolerance in Australia. Nothing about the crowds speaking a different language.
I didn't follow Apia or Marconi because I didn't live near Leichardt nor was I Italian I didn't follow Sydney Olympic because I didn't live near the inner suburbs of Sydney, nor was a Greek, likewise with the Croatian clubs. None of them represented me.
I don't live near Moore park but I support SFC, because they are not a Mono-culture club & caters for all Sydney people, whether they are Aussies, Croats, English, Middle Eastern, Japanese or even Portuguese. As I said in the post above it's all about perception, I have no issues with Sth Melbourne or Marconi, but the perception of some & especially those who make the decisions are that these are Greek & Italian clubs. This was my exact experience when I moved to Sydney in the late 80's. Went a couple of times and then never again. Yeah thats a valid take Muz... I also refuse to eat in a McDonalds because they tend to not empty the ashtrays inside the restaurant and its just gross eating amongst all the cigarette buts. Hahaha!…. Great ‘gotcha moment’ 🤣🤣
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMate, as an aside, have you noticed how the fan culture in the US embraces different types of support? For example there is a group for each sub-community of fans the EPL-wannabes do English style chants, the Latinos chant in Spanish and have massive drums, the Euro Balkan Ultra wannabees have one drum and safe smoke..... it really is interesting .... The responses to the Atlanta United clip you show have many calling "Vamos" Atlanta... hahha here we dont even like acknowledging there are other languages let alone encouraging fans to speak them at the sokkah. Vamos is lets's go in Spanish (Mexican). Their owner & president are American, their board in varied (not monocultured), the club is American. They may have a huge Mexican following, but the club is not Mexican dominated. Note the difference. Sorry what do you mean? Are you making an assumption about the "culture" of the board based on their names? Mexicans are also "American" by the way, as are Brazilians and Argentinians etc etc.. and anyone else living or from North, South or Central America. What do you think of the chanting in the clip below, would you love that in the A league? Would that make you feel included? .... just asking for a friend :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQmUZqqoOA I'm of Portuguese background so Vamos doesn't worry me. Sydney FC fans also sing Sydney Ole ole ole, this is also Latino. Again, no issues. So is it just languages that YOU personally dont understand that you want to see banned??? Greek, Italian, Croatian... what else? The clip I sent you, which you either didnt watch or conveniently chose to not acknowledge, shows a full on chant in Spanish, NOT JUST VAMOS ... Something that every other non-Spanish speaking person would NOT understand yet it is welcomed and promoted even.... The have(had) clubs called "Chivas" and "Inter" and "Real" and couldn't seem to bat an eyelid.... Here you have people like yourself looking at the names of board members at a club and deciding who you think was and wasnt born in Australia and has/hasn;t got the right to call themselves Australian all the while praying that more foreign investement groups buy franchises in your "so called" professional league so you can remain entertained..... You can think what you like, I have many friends who are Croatian, Italian & Greek, many of them are also SFC fans. Yes I did listen to the whole video & I thought it was great that they have so many latino fans singing in Spanish. It's you with all the issues. I think embracing the names of famous football clubs around the world is wonderful. I'm all for the new Canberra team to be called Real Canberra or the new Auckland team to be called Inter Auckland. I'm all for Sth Melbourne in the 2nd tier of football in this country. But not in the "1st tier" right? Why? Genuine question considering you now dont mind chanting in foreign languages even though in the past (correct me if I am wrong) you said one of the main reason why you didnt have a team to support for 27 years in Australia was because the crowds mainly spoke a language you didn't understand??? I thought it was great too btw (the Spanish chanting that is) wish we had more of that sort of tolerance in Australia. Nothing about the crowds speaking a different language. I didn't follow Apia or Marconi because I didn't live near Leichardt nor was I Italian I didn't follow Sydney Olympic because I didn't live near the inner suburbs of Sydney, nor was a Greek, likewise with the Croatian clubs. None of them represented me. I don't live near Moore park but I support SFC, because they are not a Mono-culture club & caters for all Sydney people, whether they are Aussies, Croats, English, Middle Eastern, Japanese or even Portuguese. As I said in the post above it's all about perception, I have no issues with Sth Melbourne or Marconi, but the perception of some & especially those who make the decisions are that these are Greek & Italian clubs. Yeah mate but why is that perception still a thing? Why is it that when I look at Marconi I see a club, founded by Italian immigrants 50-60-70 years ago, now followed and run by Australians and supported by Australians of all walks of life and you see Italians? just the same as I responded to Muzza, move on thank christ times have changed - for some lol......
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMate, as an aside, have you noticed how the fan culture in the US embraces different types of support? For example there is a group for each sub-community of fans the EPL-wannabes do English style chants, the Latinos chant in Spanish and have massive drums, the Euro Balkan Ultra wannabees have one drum and safe smoke..... it really is interesting .... The responses to the Atlanta United clip you show have many calling "Vamos" Atlanta... hahha here we dont even like acknowledging there are other languages let alone encouraging fans to speak them at the sokkah. Vamos is lets's go in Spanish (Mexican). Their owner & president are American, their board in varied (not monocultured), the club is American. They may have a huge Mexican following, but the club is not Mexican dominated. Note the difference. Sorry what do you mean? Are you making an assumption about the "culture" of the board based on their names? Mexicans are also "American" by the way, as are Brazilians and Argentinians etc etc.. and anyone else living or from North, South or Central America. What do you think of the chanting in the clip below, would you love that in the A league? Would that make you feel included? .... just asking for a friend :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQmUZqqoOA I'm of Portuguese background so Vamos doesn't worry me. Sydney FC fans also sing Sydney Ole ole ole, this is also Latino. Again, no issues. and the next effnick chant, FORZA - Vamos been around for yonks another rippa but some just see these traits as effnick here, utterly ridiculous. Whats ridiculous is oi oi oi to me hahaha I actually cringe when I'm surrounded by it. Middy, re you coming back about people knocking MLS growth, if it was towards my posts let me set the record straight, TBH I really do NOT care and don't rate the league regards to Quality. When I see a 36yrs GOAT make their defenses look paper thin And might I add so did Ibra not too long ago and so did another before and before therefore the cycle continues. Rate the Quantity all you like for as I said with all the $$$$ at hand it sure bloody well should keep growing the show, Beckham/Miami will take it the next level no doubt about it attendance wise they don't call him Golden Balls for kicks. When I see more home grown yanks being bought to play in euro leagues (whilst they are the ongoing BAR) then I'll look up regards to quality. Midd doesnt really care about the quality of the football mate, its the dollars being made that he is impressed by, and I agree with him.. The Yanks certainly know how to turn a buck from anything.... Sorry the quality of the MLS is there for all to see, huge influences from central and south America... many coaches and academy heads from central and south America, many high quality player choosing MLS over Europe especially from central and south America. is it EPL quality..... no.... but move away from the the top few leagues and the MLS is there and improving its not hoofball Judging (solely) on the walking pace and ease which former European league stars, well past their prime, score goals I wouldnt say its their just yet mate. Not even close. I mentioned similar earlier post, its not there to me and most of the mex/latinos are the b graders and easy $$$ instead of going to Euro with far far more competition for spots and the ease just head north of their borders. Ages below beinning of their tenure for the excercise David Villa 34yrs. 77 goals in 117 MLS games Lampard 37yrs 15 goals in 29 MLS games and a MF fielder who knows the assists Pirlo 36yrs - who knows how many assists and more so his distribution ability is second to none. Drogba 37yrs 21 goals in 33 games for Montreal Then in the USL comp for Phoenix 2yrs on 13 goals in 21 games Kaka 32yrs ripped them 24 goals from 75 games Rooney pretty much on 1 leg 33yrs 23 goals in 48 games Bale got to say wasn't that great lasted a dozen games probably played more golf. Henry 33yrs 51 goals from 122 games Ibra 37yrs ! 52 goals from 56 games !! Beckham 32 + 5yrs there 18 goals from 98 games and imagine the assists. Robbie Keane 31yrs + 5years there 83 goals from 125 games Pele 34yrs 37 goals from 64 games. Messi 36yrs League Cup 9 goals in 6games. MLS 1 goal for 5games to date (been injured or rested lately) an interesting quote in a google search : MLS teams aren't taken seriously because they're not independent clubs. Instead, they're limited outlets in a chain that is built more like Pizza Hut than the Premier League. They copy nomenclature from real leagues to cover that fact. Basically half of MLS has already been rebranded. Sure its improving general state of play but yer, way to go yet. As quoted before, till I see players making it abroad from the MLS consistantly then I'll look up. Pulisic @ 25yrs hitting peak age has struggled, a fair player actually but couldn't get a regular starting spot over 4yrs at Chelsea, sure was a turbulent time at the club but could have would have. Maybe SerieA will suit him. Sure for Mid its successful commercially, fan engagement etcetc, am I surprised, nope, thats U S A U S A. They are attracted to a "show" all their main stream sports follow a similar bait, I wonder how many actually would attend without the pre, HT and post game entertainment and fandom. It lacks soul for me but I'm coming from our world of Club football.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMate, as an aside, have you noticed how the fan culture in the US embraces different types of support? For example there is a group for each sub-community of fans the EPL-wannabes do English style chants, the Latinos chant in Spanish and have massive drums, the Euro Balkan Ultra wannabees have one drum and safe smoke..... it really is interesting .... The responses to the Atlanta United clip you show have many calling "Vamos" Atlanta... hahha here we dont even like acknowledging there are other languages let alone encouraging fans to speak them at the sokkah. Vamos is lets's go in Spanish (Mexican). Their owner & president are American, their board in varied (not monocultured), the club is American. They may have a huge Mexican following, but the club is not Mexican dominated. Note the difference. Sorry what do you mean? Are you making an assumption about the "culture" of the board based on their names? Mexicans are also "American" by the way, as are Brazilians and Argentinians etc etc.. and anyone else living or from North, South or Central America. What do you think of the chanting in the clip below, would you love that in the A league? Would that make you feel included? .... just asking for a friend :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQmUZqqoOA I'm of Portuguese background so Vamos doesn't worry me. Sydney FC fans also sing Sydney Ole ole ole, this is also Latino. Again, no issues. So is it just languages that YOU personally dont understand that you want to see banned??? Greek, Italian, Croatian... what else? The clip I sent you, which you either didnt watch or conveniently chose to not acknowledge, shows a full on chant in Spanish, NOT JUST VAMOS ... Something that every other non-Spanish speaking person would NOT understand yet it is welcomed and promoted even.... The have(had) clubs called "Chivas" and "Inter" and "Real" and couldn't seem to bat an eyelid.... Here you have people like yourself looking at the names of board members at a club and deciding who you think was and wasnt born in Australia and has/hasn;t got the right to call themselves Australian all the while praying that more foreign investement groups buy franchises in your "so called" professional league so you can remain entertained..... You can think what you like, I have many friends who are Croatian, Italian & Greek, many of them are also SFC fans. Yes I did listen to the whole video & I thought it was great that they have so many latino fans singing in Spanish. It's you with all the issues. I think embracing the names of famous football clubs around the world is wonderful. I'm all for the new Canberra team to be called Real Canberra or the new Auckland team to be called Inter Auckland. I'm all for Sth Melbourne in the 2nd tier of football in this country. But not in the "1st tier" right? Why? Genuine question considering you now dont mind chanting in foreign languages even though in the past (correct me if I am wrong) you said one of the main reason why you didnt have a team to support for 27 years in Australia was because the crowds mainly spoke a language you didn't understand??? I thought it was great too btw (the Spanish chanting that is) wish we had more of that sort of tolerance in Australia. Nothing about the crowds speaking a different language. I didn't follow Apia or Marconi because I didn't live near Leichardt nor was I Italian I didn't follow Sydney Olympic because I didn't live near the inner suburbs of Sydney, nor was a Greek, likewise with the Croatian clubs. None of them represented me. I don't live near Moore park but I support SFC, because they are not a Mono-culture club & caters for all Sydney people, whether they are Aussies, Croats, English, Middle Eastern, Japanese or even Portuguese. As I said in the post above it's all about perception, I have no issues with Sth Melbourne or Marconi, but the perception of some & especially those who make the decisions are that these are Greek & Italian clubs. Yeah mate but why is that perception still a thing? Why is it that when I look at Marconi I see a club, founded by Italian immigrants 50-60-70 years ago, now followed and run by Australians and supported by Australians of all walks of life and you see Italians? See, this is the problem. Perception!!!! I don't see Marconi as Italian, maybe the FA does. It's the FA or old FFA who made the decision, not the people on here who follow the A-League. Most have moved on. It's only that you are here along with many others in the many forms of social media that comes on & bags out the A-league that does most no favour.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMate, as an aside, have you noticed how the fan culture in the US embraces different types of support? For example there is a group for each sub-community of fans the EPL-wannabes do English style chants, the Latinos chant in Spanish and have massive drums, the Euro Balkan Ultra wannabees have one drum and safe smoke..... it really is interesting .... The responses to the Atlanta United clip you show have many calling "Vamos" Atlanta... hahha here we dont even like acknowledging there are other languages let alone encouraging fans to speak them at the sokkah. Vamos is lets's go in Spanish (Mexican). Their owner & president are American, their board in varied (not monocultured), the club is American. They may have a huge Mexican following, but the club is not Mexican dominated. Note the difference. Sorry what do you mean? Are you making an assumption about the "culture" of the board based on their names? Mexicans are also "American" by the way, as are Brazilians and Argentinians etc etc.. and anyone else living or from North, South or Central America. What do you think of the chanting in the clip below, would you love that in the A league? Would that make you feel included? .... just asking for a friend :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQmUZqqoOA I'm of Portuguese background so Vamos doesn't worry me. Sydney FC fans also sing Sydney Ole ole ole, this is also Latino. Again, no issues. So is it just languages that YOU personally dont understand that you want to see banned??? Greek, Italian, Croatian... what else? The clip I sent you, which you either didnt watch or conveniently chose to not acknowledge, shows a full on chant in Spanish, NOT JUST VAMOS ... Something that every other non-Spanish speaking person would NOT understand yet it is welcomed and promoted even.... The have(had) clubs called "Chivas" and "Inter" and "Real" and couldn't seem to bat an eyelid.... Here you have people like yourself looking at the names of board members at a club and deciding who you think was and wasnt born in Australia and has/hasn;t got the right to call themselves Australian all the while praying that more foreign investement groups buy franchises in your "so called" professional league so you can remain entertained..... You can think what you like, I have many friends who are Croatian, Italian & Greek, many of them are also SFC fans. Yes I did listen to the whole video & I thought it was great that they have so many latino fans singing in Spanish. It's you with all the issues. I think embracing the names of famous football clubs around the world is wonderful. I'm all for the new Canberra team to be called Real Canberra or the new Auckland team to be called Inter Auckland. I'm all for Sth Melbourne in the 2nd tier of football in this country. But not in the "1st tier" right? Why? Genuine question considering you now dont mind chanting in foreign languages even though in the past (correct me if I am wrong) you said one of the main reason why you didnt have a team to support for 27 years in Australia was because the crowds mainly spoke a language you didn't understand??? I thought it was great too btw (the Spanish chanting that is) wish we had more of that sort of tolerance in Australia. Nothing about the crowds speaking a different language. I didn't follow Apia or Marconi because I didn't live near Leichardt nor was I Italian I didn't follow Sydney Olympic because I didn't live near the inner suburbs of Sydney, nor was a Greek, likewise with the Croatian clubs. None of them represented me. I don't live near Moore park but I support SFC, because they are not a Mono-culture club & caters for all Sydney people, whether they are Aussies, Croats, English, Middle Eastern, Japanese or even Portuguese. As I said in the post above it's all about perception, I have no issues with Sth Melbourne or Marconi, but the perception of some & especially those who make the decisions are that these are Greek & Italian clubs. Yeah mate but why is that perception still a thing? Why is it that when I look at Marconi I see a club, founded by Italian immigrants 50-60-70 years ago, now followed and run by Australians and supported by Australians of all walks of life and you see Italians? See, this is the problem. Perception!!!! I don't see Marconi as Italian, maybe the FA does. It's the FA or old FFA who made the decision, not the people on here who follow the A-League. Most have moved on. It's only that you are here along with many others in the many forms of social media that comes on & bags out the A-league that does most no favour. Thats the thing isnt it? You state you dont see Marconi as Italian and but previously say you didnt follow them becuase you are NOT Italian..... Man make up your mind!!!!!!!! "I didn't follow Apia or Marconi because I didn't live near Leichardt nor was I Italian" Most have NOT moved on mate. Its been 19 years and the same old plastic insecurities exist... You refuse to see community club connection as anything OTHER than old effnik communities because you can't explain it otherwise. The African Australia kids at Avondale, or the Indian and English lads at South don't exist to you because they dont fit the narrative that ONLY Italians follow Italian clubs or Greeks follow Greek clubs.... If the Aleague was so well liked there wouldn't be so many people on social media that would want to "Bags it out" what does that tell you?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMate, as an aside, have you noticed how the fan culture in the US embraces different types of support? For example there is a group for each sub-community of fans the EPL-wannabes do English style chants, the Latinos chant in Spanish and have massive drums, the Euro Balkan Ultra wannabees have one drum and safe smoke..... it really is interesting .... The responses to the Atlanta United clip you show have many calling "Vamos" Atlanta... hahha here we dont even like acknowledging there are other languages let alone encouraging fans to speak them at the sokkah. Vamos is lets's go in Spanish (Mexican). Their owner & president are American, their board in varied (not monocultured), the club is American. They may have a huge Mexican following, but the club is not Mexican dominated. Note the difference. Sorry what do you mean? Are you making an assumption about the "culture" of the board based on their names? Mexicans are also "American" by the way, as are Brazilians and Argentinians etc etc.. and anyone else living or from North, South or Central America. What do you think of the chanting in the clip below, would you love that in the A league? Would that make you feel included? .... just asking for a friend :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQmUZqqoOA I'm of Portuguese background so Vamos doesn't worry me. Sydney FC fans also sing Sydney Ole ole ole, this is also Latino. Again, no issues. So is it just languages that YOU personally dont understand that you want to see banned??? Greek, Italian, Croatian... what else? The clip I sent you, which you either didnt watch or conveniently chose to not acknowledge, shows a full on chant in Spanish, NOT JUST VAMOS ... Something that every other non-Spanish speaking person would NOT understand yet it is welcomed and promoted even.... The have(had) clubs called "Chivas" and "Inter" and "Real" and couldn't seem to bat an eyelid.... Here you have people like yourself looking at the names of board members at a club and deciding who you think was and wasnt born in Australia and has/hasn;t got the right to call themselves Australian all the while praying that more foreign investement groups buy franchises in your "so called" professional league so you can remain entertained..... You can think what you like, I have many friends who are Croatian, Italian & Greek, many of them are also SFC fans. Yes I did listen to the whole video & I thought it was great that they have so many latino fans singing in Spanish. It's you with all the issues. I think embracing the names of famous football clubs around the world is wonderful. I'm all for the new Canberra team to be called Real Canberra or the new Auckland team to be called Inter Auckland. I'm all for Sth Melbourne in the 2nd tier of football in this country. But not in the "1st tier" right? Why? Genuine question considering you now dont mind chanting in foreign languages even though in the past (correct me if I am wrong) you said one of the main reason why you didnt have a team to support for 27 years in Australia was because the crowds mainly spoke a language you didn't understand??? I thought it was great too btw (the Spanish chanting that is) wish we had more of that sort of tolerance in Australia. Nothing about the crowds speaking a different language.
I didn't follow Apia or Marconi because I didn't live near Leichardt nor was I Italian I didn't follow Sydney Olympic because I didn't live near the inner suburbs of Sydney, nor was a Greek, likewise with the Croatian clubs. None of them represented me.
I don't live near Moore park but I support SFC, because they are not a Mono-culture club & caters for all Sydney people, whether they are Aussies, Croats, English, Middle Eastern, Japanese or even Portuguese. As I said in the post above it's all about perception, I have no issues with Sth Melbourne or Marconi, but the perception of some & especially those who make the decisions are that these are Greek & Italian clubs. This was my exact experience when I moved to Sydney in the late 80's. Went a couple of times and then never again. Yeah thats a valid take Muz... I also refuse to eat in a McDonalds because they tend to not empty the ashtrays inside the restaurant and its just gross eating amongst all the cigarette buts. Hahaha!…. Great ‘gotcha moment’ 🤣🤣 :) Ta, was particularly proud of that one
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMate, as an aside, have you noticed how the fan culture in the US embraces different types of support? For example there is a group for each sub-community of fans the EPL-wannabes do English style chants, the Latinos chant in Spanish and have massive drums, the Euro Balkan Ultra wannabees have one drum and safe smoke..... it really is interesting .... The responses to the Atlanta United clip you show have many calling "Vamos" Atlanta... hahha here we dont even like acknowledging there are other languages let alone encouraging fans to speak them at the sokkah. Vamos is lets's go in Spanish (Mexican). Their owner & president are American, their board in varied (not monocultured), the club is American. They may have a huge Mexican following, but the club is not Mexican dominated. Note the difference. Sorry what do you mean? Are you making an assumption about the "culture" of the board based on their names? Mexicans are also "American" by the way, as are Brazilians and Argentinians etc etc.. and anyone else living or from North, South or Central America. What do you think of the chanting in the clip below, would you love that in the A league? Would that make you feel included? .... just asking for a friend :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQmUZqqoOA I'm of Portuguese background so Vamos doesn't worry me. Sydney FC fans also sing Sydney Ole ole ole, this is also Latino. Again, no issues. So is it just languages that YOU personally dont understand that you want to see banned??? Greek, Italian, Croatian... what else? The clip I sent you, which you either didnt watch or conveniently chose to not acknowledge, shows a full on chant in Spanish, NOT JUST VAMOS ... Something that every other non-Spanish speaking person would NOT understand yet it is welcomed and promoted even.... The have(had) clubs called "Chivas" and "Inter" and "Real" and couldn't seem to bat an eyelid.... Here you have people like yourself looking at the names of board members at a club and deciding who you think was and wasnt born in Australia and has/hasn;t got the right to call themselves Australian all the while praying that more foreign investement groups buy franchises in your "so called" professional league so you can remain entertained..... You can think what you like, I have many friends who are Croatian, Italian & Greek, many of them are also SFC fans. Yes I did listen to the whole video & I thought it was great that they have so many latino fans singing in Spanish. It's you with all the issues. I think embracing the names of famous football clubs around the world is wonderful. I'm all for the new Canberra team to be called Real Canberra or the new Auckland team to be called Inter Auckland. I'm all for Sth Melbourne in the 2nd tier of football in this country. But not in the "1st tier" right? Why? Genuine question considering you now dont mind chanting in foreign languages even though in the past (correct me if I am wrong) you said one of the main reason why you didnt have a team to support for 27 years in Australia was because the crowds mainly spoke a language you didn't understand??? I thought it was great too btw (the Spanish chanting that is) wish we had more of that sort of tolerance in Australia. Nothing about the crowds speaking a different language.
I didn't follow Apia or Marconi because I didn't live near Leichardt nor was I Italian I didn't follow Sydney Olympic because I didn't live near the inner suburbs of Sydney, nor was a Greek, likewise with the Croatian clubs. None of them represented me.
I don't live near Moore park but I support SFC, because they are not a Mono-culture club & caters for all Sydney people, whether they are Aussies, Croats, English, Middle Eastern, Japanese or even Portuguese. As I said in the post above it's all about perception, I have no issues with Sth Melbourne or Marconi, but the perception of some & especially those who make the decisions are that these are Greek & Italian clubs. This was my exact experience when I moved to Sydney in the late 80's. Went a couple of times and then never again. Yeah thats a valid take Muz... I also refuse to eat in a McDonalds because they tend to not empty the ashtrays inside the restaurant and its just gross eating amongst all the cigarette buts. What are you on about. Like I said this was the late 80's. By 1990 I wasn't living in Sydney anymore. I went, it felt like I was in a foreign country, I stopped going. I still played and watched football I just never went to any NSL matches. (See above for reasons.) It wasn't for me (back then). I made no comment on what it's like now.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMate, as an aside, have you noticed how the fan culture in the US embraces different types of support? For example there is a group for each sub-community of fans the EPL-wannabes do English style chants, the Latinos chant in Spanish and have massive drums, the Euro Balkan Ultra wannabees have one drum and safe smoke..... it really is interesting .... The responses to the Atlanta United clip you show have many calling "Vamos" Atlanta... hahha here we dont even like acknowledging there are other languages let alone encouraging fans to speak them at the sokkah. Vamos is lets's go in Spanish (Mexican). Their owner & president are American, their board in varied (not monocultured), the club is American. They may have a huge Mexican following, but the club is not Mexican dominated. Note the difference. Sorry what do you mean? Are you making an assumption about the "culture" of the board based on their names? Mexicans are also "American" by the way, as are Brazilians and Argentinians etc etc.. and anyone else living or from North, South or Central America. What do you think of the chanting in the clip below, would you love that in the A league? Would that make you feel included? .... just asking for a friend :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQmUZqqoOA I'm of Portuguese background so Vamos doesn't worry me. Sydney FC fans also sing Sydney Ole ole ole, this is also Latino. Again, no issues. So is it just languages that YOU personally dont understand that you want to see banned??? Greek, Italian, Croatian... what else? The clip I sent you, which you either didnt watch or conveniently chose to not acknowledge, shows a full on chant in Spanish, NOT JUST VAMOS ... Something that every other non-Spanish speaking person would NOT understand yet it is welcomed and promoted even.... The have(had) clubs called "Chivas" and "Inter" and "Real" and couldn't seem to bat an eyelid.... Here you have people like yourself looking at the names of board members at a club and deciding who you think was and wasnt born in Australia and has/hasn;t got the right to call themselves Australian all the while praying that more foreign investement groups buy franchises in your "so called" professional league so you can remain entertained..... You can think what you like, I have many friends who are Croatian, Italian & Greek, many of them are also SFC fans. Yes I did listen to the whole video & I thought it was great that they have so many latino fans singing in Spanish. It's you with all the issues. I think embracing the names of famous football clubs around the world is wonderful. I'm all for the new Canberra team to be called Real Canberra or the new Auckland team to be called Inter Auckland. I'm all for Sth Melbourne in the 2nd tier of football in this country. But not in the "1st tier" right? Why? Genuine question considering you now dont mind chanting in foreign languages even though in the past (correct me if I am wrong) you said one of the main reason why you didnt have a team to support for 27 years in Australia was because the crowds mainly spoke a language you didn't understand??? I thought it was great too btw (the Spanish chanting that is) wish we had more of that sort of tolerance in Australia. Nothing about the crowds speaking a different language.
I didn't follow Apia or Marconi because I didn't live near Leichardt nor was I Italian I didn't follow Sydney Olympic because I didn't live near the inner suburbs of Sydney, nor was a Greek, likewise with the Croatian clubs. None of them represented me.
I don't live near Moore park but I support SFC, because they are not a Mono-culture club & caters for all Sydney people, whether they are Aussies, Croats, English, Middle Eastern, Japanese or even Portuguese. As I said in the post above it's all about perception, I have no issues with Sth Melbourne or Marconi, but the perception of some & especially those who make the decisions are that these are Greek & Italian clubs. This was my exact experience when I moved to Sydney in the late 80's. Went a couple of times and then never again. Yeah thats a valid take Muz... I also refuse to eat in a McDonalds because they tend to not empty the ashtrays inside the restaurant and its just gross eating amongst all the cigarette buts. What are you on about. Like I said this was the late 80's. By 1990 I wasn't living in Sydney anymore. I went, it felt like I was in a foreign country, I stopped going. I still played and watched football I just never went to any NSL matches. (See above for reasons.) It wasn't for me (back then). I made no comment on what it's like now. YOU may not have but plenty of others whose opinions are based on this very take. Me, Im like you. Still ate at restaurants and cooked food at home, just never went to a franchise again because (see above for reasons)
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AS with all things bias, prejudice, prejudgements etc all play into how things are seen, sport is no different Rugby is for the private school boys etc. IMO, a management team that can recognise bias against them and then work to change perceptions about them is if nothing else worth a look. As I have stated before in the US, Footballs TV ratings are [using say 2019 to 22] Mexico 33%, EPL 21%, MLS 19.5%. Added together its a big number and when the dollars each earn is added together its a big number, no different to here, Optus, Stan & Paramount if added together would be a big number. The MLS, recognised Mexico but also other Central & South American people preferred their own leagues, many reason why MLS was not watched, no P & R, quality of play, quality of coaching, quality of the fans and so on. To rectify this the MLS after years of negotiations with FIFA arranged a cup competition between all MLS teams and all Liga MX teams this was the first year and it goes for a month. They hope it will add to MLS viewership by a % of the Mexican fans and or there kids will watch oerwatch in addition to Liga MX, MLS. Another thing they are doing is having some key Liga MX games played in the US, mostly to break down barriers with MSM and introduce MLS fans to Football fans from a Football based fan base. Reports to date indicate via Apple its working. BTW here is an example of a Liga MX match played in the US.... short vid worth watching... but don't show the RBB... https://twitter.com/ecauich/status/1713753370618642666?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1713753370618642666%7Ctwgr%5Ead36f2d62542289d8f840f5d5cbf4323fe6f9523%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigsoccer.com%2Fthreads%2Fattendances-2023.2124849%2Fpage-56
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMate, as an aside, have you noticed how the fan culture in the US embraces different types of support? For example there is a group for each sub-community of fans the EPL-wannabes do English style chants, the Latinos chant in Spanish and have massive drums, the Euro Balkan Ultra wannabees have one drum and safe smoke..... it really is interesting .... The responses to the Atlanta United clip you show have many calling "Vamos" Atlanta... hahha here we dont even like acknowledging there are other languages let alone encouraging fans to speak them at the sokkah. Vamos is lets's go in Spanish (Mexican). Their owner & president are American, their board in varied (not monocultured), the club is American. They may have a huge Mexican following, but the club is not Mexican dominated. Note the difference. Sorry what do you mean? Are you making an assumption about the "culture" of the board based on their names? Mexicans are also "American" by the way, as are Brazilians and Argentinians etc etc.. and anyone else living or from North, South or Central America. What do you think of the chanting in the clip below, would you love that in the A league? Would that make you feel included? .... just asking for a friend :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQmUZqqoOA I'm of Portuguese background so Vamos doesn't worry me. Sydney FC fans also sing Sydney Ole ole ole, this is also Latino. Again, no issues. So is it just languages that YOU personally dont understand that you want to see banned??? Greek, Italian, Croatian... what else? The clip I sent you, which you either didnt watch or conveniently chose to not acknowledge, shows a full on chant in Spanish, NOT JUST VAMOS ... Something that every other non-Spanish speaking person would NOT understand yet it is welcomed and promoted even.... The have(had) clubs called "Chivas" and "Inter" and "Real" and couldn't seem to bat an eyelid.... Here you have people like yourself looking at the names of board members at a club and deciding who you think was and wasnt born in Australia and has/hasn;t got the right to call themselves Australian all the while praying that more foreign investement groups buy franchises in your "so called" professional league so you can remain entertained..... You can think what you like, I have many friends who are Croatian, Italian & Greek, many of them are also SFC fans. Yes I did listen to the whole video & I thought it was great that they have so many latino fans singing in Spanish. It's you with all the issues. I think embracing the names of famous football clubs around the world is wonderful. I'm all for the new Canberra team to be called Real Canberra or the new Auckland team to be called Inter Auckland. I'm all for Sth Melbourne in the 2nd tier of football in this country. But not in the "1st tier" right? Why? Genuine question considering you now dont mind chanting in foreign languages even though in the past (correct me if I am wrong) you said one of the main reason why you didnt have a team to support for 27 years in Australia was because the crowds mainly spoke a language you didn't understand??? I thought it was great too btw (the Spanish chanting that is) wish we had more of that sort of tolerance in Australia. Nothing about the crowds speaking a different language. I didn't follow Apia or Marconi because I didn't live near Leichardt nor was I Italian I didn't follow Sydney Olympic because I didn't live near the inner suburbs of Sydney, nor was a Greek, likewise with the Croatian clubs. None of them represented me. I don't live near Moore park but I support SFC, because they are not a Mono-culture club & caters for all Sydney people, whether they are Aussies, Croats, English, Middle Eastern, Japanese or even Portuguese. As I said in the post above it's all about perception, I have no issues with Sth Melbourne or Marconi, but the perception of some & especially those who make the decisions are that these are Greek & Italian clubs. Yeah mate but why is that perception still a thing? Why is it that when I look at Marconi I see a club, founded by Italian immigrants 50-60-70 years ago, now followed and run by Australians and supported by Australians of all walks of life and you see Italians? See, this is the problem. Perception!!!! I don't see Marconi as Italian, maybe the FA does. It's the FA or old FFA who made the decision, not the people on here who follow the A-League. Most have moved on. It's only that you are here along with many others in the many forms of social media that comes on & bags out the A-league that does most no favour. Thats the thing isnt it? You state you dont see Marconi as Italian and but previously say you didnt follow them becuase you are NOT Italian..... Man make up your mind!!!!!!!! "I didn't follow Apia or Marconi because I didn't live near Leichardt nor was I Italian" Most have NOT moved on mate. Its been 19 years and the same old plastic insecurities exist... You refuse to see community club connection as anything OTHER than old effnik communities because you can't explain it otherwise. The African Australia kids at Avondale, or the Indian and English lads at South don't exist to you because they dont fit the narrative that ONLY Italians follow Italian clubs or Greeks follow Greek clubs.... If the Aleague was so well liked there wouldn't be so many people on social media that would want to "Bags it out" what does that tell you? I'm so sorry, I have to point out the obvious to you. I didn't follow Marconi in the 80s during the NSL because it was deemed an Italian club & I wasn't Italian. Likewise with the other effnik clubs in the NSL. I don't deem Marconi an Italian club now, likewise for the Greek & Croatian clubs, but maybe those making decisions do, I do not know. Seriously I don't care. As for the A-League, this has the same issue as the NSL, poor administration, but I still follow it in the hope one day it may get it right & i don't really care what others think on social media.
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Final weekend for the 2023 MLS regular season.
New England (vs. Philadelphia) 41,355
New York City (vs. Chicago) 23,260
Charlotte (vs. Miami) 66,101
Toronto (vs. Orlando) 27,556
Columbus (vs. Montreal) 20,526
Cincinnati (vs. Atlanta) 25,513
Nashville (vs. New York Red Bulls) 27,875
St. Louis (vs. Seattle) 22,423
Kansas City (vs. Minnesota) 20,479
Colorado (vs. Salt Lake City) 17,538
Los Angeles Galaxy (vs. Dallas) 22,491
San Jose (vs. Austin) 18,000
Vancouver (vs. Los Angeles FC) 25,146
Portland (vs. Houston) 25,218
Total Attendance: 383,481
Average: 27,391
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+xCopied from an MLS forum. Final weekend for the 2023 MLS regular season. New England (vs. Philadelphia) 41,355 New York City (vs. Chicago) 23,260 Charlotte (vs. Miami) 66,101 Toronto (vs. Orlando) 27,556 Columbus (vs. Montreal) 20,526 Cincinnati (vs. Atlanta) 25,513 Nashville (vs. New York Red Bulls) 27,875 St. Louis (vs. Seattle) 22,423 Kansas City (vs. Minnesota) 20,479 Colorado (vs. Salt Lake City) 17,538 Los Angeles Galaxy (vs. Dallas) 22,491 San Jose (vs. Austin) 18,000 Vancouver (vs. Los Angeles FC) 25,146 Portland (vs. Houston) 25,218 Total Attendance: 383,481 Average: 27,391 It would be interesting to see those as a percentage of capacity.
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+x+xCopied from an MLS forum. Final weekend for the 2023 MLS regular season. New England (vs. Philadelphia) 41,355 New York City (vs. Chicago) 23,260 Charlotte (vs. Miami) 66,101 Toronto (vs. Orlando) 27,556 Columbus (vs. Montreal) 20,526 Cincinnati (vs. Atlanta) 25,513 Nashville (vs. New York Red Bulls) 27,875 St. Louis (vs. Seattle) 22,423 Kansas City (vs. Minnesota) 20,479 Colorado (vs. Salt Lake City) 17,538 Los Angeles Galaxy (vs. Dallas) 22,491 San Jose (vs. Austin) 18,000 Vancouver (vs. Los Angeles FC) 25,146 Portland (vs. Houston) 25,218 Total Attendance: 383,481 Average: 27,391 It would be interesting to see those as a percentage of capacity. The majority will be at , or very nearly capacity.
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+x+xCopied from an MLS forum. Final weekend for the 2023 MLS regular season. New England (vs. Philadelphia) 41,355 New York City (vs. Chicago) 23,260 Charlotte (vs. Miami) 66,101 Toronto (vs. Orlando) 27,556 Columbus (vs. Montreal) 20,526 Cincinnati (vs. Atlanta) 25,513 Nashville (vs. New York Red Bulls) 27,875 St. Louis (vs. Seattle) 22,423 Kansas City (vs. Minnesota) 20,479 Colorado (vs. Salt Lake City) 17,538 Los Angeles Galaxy (vs. Dallas) 22,491 San Jose (vs. Austin) 18,000 Vancouver (vs. Los Angeles FC) 25,146 Portland (vs. Houston) 25,218 Total Attendance: 383,481 Average: 27,391 It would be interesting to see those as a percentage of capacity. Overall they average 22, 111 across 493 games for just over 10.9 million which is 92% capacity
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none of this is surprising. 339M pop. Beckhams Miami partners are bros/sons of billionaire Canosa who also is Prez of Real Zaragoza, like what do you expect. Lowys a plenty and some. As of 2023, there are 735 billionaires in the U.S. The millionaires are more plentiful— almost 22 million
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+x+x+xCopied from an MLS forum. Final weekend for the 2023 MLS regular season. New England (vs. Philadelphia) 41,355 New York City (vs. Chicago) 23,260 Charlotte (vs. Miami) 66,101 Toronto (vs. Orlando) 27,556 Columbus (vs. Montreal) 20,526 Cincinnati (vs. Atlanta) 25,513 Nashville (vs. New York Red Bulls) 27,875 St. Louis (vs. Seattle) 22,423 Kansas City (vs. Minnesota) 20,479 Colorado (vs. Salt Lake City) 17,538 Los Angeles Galaxy (vs. Dallas) 22,491 San Jose (vs. Austin) 18,000 Vancouver (vs. Los Angeles FC) 25,146 Portland (vs. Houston) 25,218 Total Attendance: 383,481 Average: 27,391 It would be interesting to see those as a percentage of capacity. The majority will be at , or very nearly capacity. And yet, how you measure a successful competition is NOTHING to do with how many tickets are sold (in my opinion) Football Scotland reports (for last years season as an example) "The full results mean in total from all 12 clubs, the average fan attendances have been 68.7 percent of the stadium capacity numbers and more than 3.18million spectators have walked through the gates at their respective clubs this term." I would still say this is a more "robust" football ecosystem than the MLS wouldn't you Sutho? Not Scotland bashing in ANY way, just wanting to get your view as to what YOU specifically see as a more of a joke the SPL or the MLS..... ? - Yes I know the Greek league is even less than 68% Table in full:Celtic - 60,832 capacity - 940,076 fans - 58,755 average - 16 games - 96.6%.
Rangers - 50,987 capacity - 787.714 fans - 49,232 average - 16 games - 96.6%
Hibs - 20,250 capacity - 279,154 fans - 17,447 average - 16 games - 86.2%
Hearts - 19,852 capacity - 277,587 fans - 18,526 average - 15 games - 93.3%
Aberdeen - 22,199 capacity - 243,498 fans - 15,219 average - 16 games - 68.6%
Dundee United - 14,233 capacity - 138,591 fans - 9,238 average - 15 games - 65.8%
St Mirren - 8,023 capacity - 98,945 fans - 6,184 average - 16 games - 77.1%
Kilmarnock - 18,128 capacity - 96,660 fans - 6,444 average - 15 games - 35.6%
Motherwell - 13,750 capacity - 94,652 fans - 5,916 average - 16 games - 43%
St Johnstone - 10,696 capacity - 78,976 fans - 5,265 average - 15 games - 49.2% Ross County - 6,541 capacity - 75,144 fans - 4,420 average - 17 games - 67.6% (one sell out) Livingston - 9,512 capacity - 69,266 fans - 4,329 average - 15 games - 45.5% (one sell out)
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+x+x+x+xCopied from an MLS forum. Final weekend for the 2023 MLS regular season. New England (vs. Philadelphia) 41,355 New York City (vs. Chicago) 23,260 Charlotte (vs. Miami) 66,101 Toronto (vs. Orlando) 27,556 Columbus (vs. Montreal) 20,526 Cincinnati (vs. Atlanta) 25,513 Nashville (vs. New York Red Bulls) 27,875 St. Louis (vs. Seattle) 22,423 Kansas City (vs. Minnesota) 20,479 Colorado (vs. Salt Lake City) 17,538 Los Angeles Galaxy (vs. Dallas) 22,491 San Jose (vs. Austin) 18,000 Vancouver (vs. Los Angeles FC) 25,146 Portland (vs. Houston) 25,218 Total Attendance: 383,481 Average: 27,391 It would be interesting to see those as a percentage of capacity. The majority will be at , or very nearly capacity. And yet, how you measure a successful competition is NOTHING to do with how many tickets are sold (in my opinion) Football Scotland reports (for last years season as an example) "The full results mean in total from all 12 clubs, the average fan attendances have been 68.7 percent of the stadium capacity numbers and more than 3.18million spectators have walked through the gates at their respective clubs this term." I would still say this is a more "robust" football ecosystem than the MLS wouldn't you Sutho? Not Scotland bashing in ANY way, just wanting to get your view as to what YOU specifically see as a more of a joke the SPL or the MLS..... ? - Yes I know the Greek league is even less than 68% Table in full:Celtic - 60,832 capacity - 940,076 fans - 58,755 average - 16 games - 96.6%.
Rangers - 50,987 capacity - 787.714 fans - 49,232 average - 16 games - 96.6%
Hibs - 20,250 capacity - 279,154 fans - 17,447 average - 16 games - 86.2%
Hearts - 19,852 capacity - 277,587 fans - 18,526 average - 15 games - 93.3%
Aberdeen - 22,199 capacity - 243,498 fans - 15,219 average - 16 games - 68.6%
Dundee United - 14,233 capacity - 138,591 fans - 9,238 average - 15 games - 65.8%
St Mirren - 8,023 capacity - 98,945 fans - 6,184 average - 16 games - 77.1%
Kilmarnock - 18,128 capacity - 96,660 fans - 6,444 average - 15 games - 35.6%
Motherwell - 13,750 capacity - 94,652 fans - 5,916 average - 16 games - 43%
St Johnstone - 10,696 capacity - 78,976 fans - 5,265 average - 15 games - 49.2% Ross County - 6,541 capacity - 75,144 fans - 4,420 average - 17 games - 67.6% (one sell out) Livingston - 9,512 capacity - 69,266 fans - 4,329 average - 15 games - 45.5% (one sell out)
This is what counts.
The Scottish Professional Football League continues to top the match attendance per capita table across Europe. New figures show the SPFL had 21.3 attendees per 1,000 people at matches across its top four divisions, and a weekly average support of 117,700 fans. And that is the four divisions, not just the top league. BTW, The Celtic figures are a sham, they only go close to filling it twice a season.
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I don't know anyone at anytime who has even hinted the MLS is either the main sporting code in the US or is anything other than until quite recently not considered as a major sport in the US by many.... so to compare them to a country where Football is a religion seems like you trying to find something to build an argument.
What no recognition of crowds, recent media deals, massive increase in awareness, only sporting code in the US that has connected in numbers with Gen z & Min's .
This forum is a tough judge, however I think the answer lies in they have no P & R, so therefore nothing else matters, no matter what the achievement.
Prior to the 94 world cup they did not even have a national competition, they tried a while before but it failed and faded away...
To get the 94 WC, the US promised to have a national competition, they got the 94 WC and started the MLS in 96 I think, with 10 teams of which some folded.
Around 2005, they made some key decisions and have steadily grown since,
Yell and scream they are not real Football fans, because !!!!!!!! ?????? its not real Football why, !!!!!!!!!?????? I could counter Football fans in the US are better because they put up with of crap from other sports and media in the US, as well everyone telling them they have a fake league etc... they cope it from all sides but keep turning up
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+x+x+x+xCopied from an MLS forum. Final weekend for the 2023 MLS regular season. New England (vs. Philadelphia) 41,355 New York City (vs. Chicago) 23,260 Charlotte (vs. Miami) 66,101 Toronto (vs. Orlando) 27,556 Columbus (vs. Montreal) 20,526 Cincinnati (vs. Atlanta) 25,513 Nashville (vs. New York Red Bulls) 27,875 St. Louis (vs. Seattle) 22,423 Kansas City (vs. Minnesota) 20,479 Colorado (vs. Salt Lake City) 17,538 Los Angeles Galaxy (vs. Dallas) 22,491 San Jose (vs. Austin) 18,000 Vancouver (vs. Los Angeles FC) 25,146 Portland (vs. Houston) 25,218 Total Attendance: 383,481 Average: 27,391 It would be interesting to see those as a percentage of capacity. The majority will be at , or very nearly capacity. And yet, how you measure a successful competition is NOTHING to do with how many tickets are sold (in my opinion) Football Scotland reports (for last years season as an example) "The full results mean in total from all 12 clubs, the average fan attendances have been 68.7 percent of the stadium capacity numbers and more than 3.18million spectators have walked through the gates at their respective clubs this term." I would still say this is a more "robust" football ecosystem than the MLS wouldn't you Sutho? Not Scotland bashing in ANY way, just wanting to get your view as to what YOU specifically see as a more of a joke the SPL or the MLS..... ? - Yes I know the Greek league is even less than 68% Table in full:Celtic - 60,832 capacity - 940,076 fans - 58,755 average - 16 games - 96.6%.
Rangers - 50,987 capacity - 787.714 fans - 49,232 average - 16 games - 96.6%
Hibs - 20,250 capacity - 279,154 fans - 17,447 average - 16 games - 86.2%
Hearts - 19,852 capacity - 277,587 fans - 18,526 average - 15 games - 93.3%
Aberdeen - 22,199 capacity - 243,498 fans - 15,219 average - 16 games - 68.6%
Dundee United - 14,233 capacity - 138,591 fans - 9,238 average - 15 games - 65.8%
St Mirren - 8,023 capacity - 98,945 fans - 6,184 average - 16 games - 77.1%
Kilmarnock - 18,128 capacity - 96,660 fans - 6,444 average - 15 games - 35.6%
Motherwell - 13,750 capacity - 94,652 fans - 5,916 average - 16 games - 43%
St Johnstone - 10,696 capacity - 78,976 fans - 5,265 average - 15 games - 49.2% Ross County - 6,541 capacity - 75,144 fans - 4,420 average - 17 games - 67.6% (one sell out) Livingston - 9,512 capacity - 69,266 fans - 4,329 average - 15 games - 45.5% (one sell out)
I don’t regard either league to be a “ joke “ league. They are what they are for a host of different reasons, but are special for the folk who attend them week in and week out.
l have actually attended six MLS games , 4 in America and 2 in Canada and enjoyed the experience of all of them, each in their own different way.
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+xI don't know anyone at anytime who has even hinted the MLS is either the main sporting code in the US or is anything other than until quite recently not considered as a major sport in the US by many.... so to compare them to a country where Football is a religion seems like you trying to find something to build an argument. What no recognition of crowds, recent media deals, massive increase in awareness, only sporting code in the US that has connected in numbers with Gen z & Min's . This forum is a tough judge, however I think the answer lies in they have no P & R, so therefore nothing else matters, no matter what the achievement. Prior to the 94 world cup they did not even have a national competition, they tried a while before but it failed and faded away... To get the 94 WC, the US promised to have a national competition, they got the 94 WC and started the MLS in 96 I think, with 10 teams of which some folded. Around 2005, they made some key decisions and have steadily grown since, Yell and scream they are not real Football fans, because !!!!!!!! ?????? its not real Football why, !!!!!!!!!?????? I could counter Football fans in the US are better because they put up with of crap from other sports and media in the US, as well everyone telling them they have a fake league etc... they cope it from all sides but keep turning up Mate, I think your are drawing conclusions on no basis... WHAT ARE THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS ON THE PITCH? is my question. You mention growing fan base and heaps of money .... cool.... but it all boils down to what you and I value as a metric to indicate a successful football nation. I have no idea what "real football" is personally, I just follow the club(s) I follow and admire beautiful skill on the park. You mention "growth" again I wouldn't know or care how their fan culture is going, I watched Tottenham v Fullham the other morning and the only two "Muricans" on the pitch were abysmal, Admittedly the left full back Robinson showed Kulusevski the touch line a couple of times but otherwise he was in his pocket all gam(pretty sure the kid was born and raised in the UK anyway) Apart from maybe Pulisic I dont know any other US players playing at any decent club these days. Nor has any MLS club (that I am aware of) every won a continental or club wrold cup trophy.... who cars if their middle aged soccer-mom fans have colourful smoke and megaphones and put up with "crap" from NFL and NBA fans??????
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+x+xI don't know anyone at anytime who has even hinted the MLS is either the main sporting code in the US or is anything other than until quite recently not considered as a major sport in the US by many.... so to compare them to a country where Football is a religion seems like you trying to find something to build an argument. What no recognition of crowds, recent media deals, massive increase in awareness, only sporting code in the US that has connected in numbers with Gen z & Min's . This forum is a tough judge, however I think the answer lies in they have no P & R, so therefore nothing else matters, no matter what the achievement. Prior to the 94 world cup they did not even have a national competition, they tried a while before but it failed and faded away... To get the 94 WC, the US promised to have a national competition, they got the 94 WC and started the MLS in 96 I think, with 10 teams of which some folded. Around 2005, they made some key decisions and have steadily grown since, Yell and scream they are not real Football fans, because !!!!!!!! ?????? its not real Football why, !!!!!!!!!?????? I could counter Football fans in the US are better because they put up with of crap from other sports and media in the US, as well everyone telling them they have a fake league etc... they cope it from all sides but keep turning up Mate, I think your are drawing conclusions on no basis... WHAT ARE THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS ON THE PITCH? is my question. You mention growing fan base and heaps of money .... cool.... but it all boils down to what you and I value as a metric to indicate a successful football nation. I have no idea what "real football" is personally, I just follow the club(s) I follow and admire beautiful skill on the park. You mention "growth" again I wouldn't know or care how their fan culture is going, I watched Tottenham v Fullham the other morning and the only two "Muricans" on the pitch were abysmal, Admittedly the left full back Robinson showed Kulusevski the touch line a couple of times but otherwise he was in his pocket all gam(pretty sure the kid was born and raised in the UK anyway) Apart from maybe Pulisic I dont know any other US players playing at any decent club these days. Nor has any MLS club (that I am aware of) every won a continental or club wrold cup trophy.... who cars if their middle aged soccer-mom fans have colourful smoke and megaphones and put up with "crap" from NFL and NBA fans?????? agreed from my pov as well.....who cares they have no relevance to date just as the Saudi league buying top players at the end of their careers. Mid don't think its about bringing up other examples for arguments sake then again what else could you make comparisons with ? AL being its another franchise system like for like ? pears with pears I suppose. I'm sure NFL/BB and all their other codes are tapping in to the younger gens as well. Yep in '96 was 10 Shops now 29. 27yrs years gone by for 19 new shops. Kudos on their crowd increase's but when you can buy some of the top ex Euro players year in year out then the GOAT are we surprised the surge in supporters but couldn't care less, as I've mentioned re the yanks, if there was a Watch the Grass Grow Tournament with entertainment I wouldn't be surprised it gaining a audience :) Their one main tournament outside MLS is CONCACAF as know, close to a Aussie Cup format whats introduced for them in 2024. As of 2023, 23 MLS teams have appeared in the CONCACAF Champions Cup since the inaugural 2008–09 Champions League season. Seattle Sounders FC became champions in 2022, ending Liga MX's winning streak in the competition. They were the fifth MLS club to make it to the final, following Real Salt Lake in 2011, Montreal Impact in 2015, Toronto FC in 2018 and Los Angeles FC in 2020.[3] Canadian teams in MLS – CF Montréal, Toronto FC and Vancouver Whitecaps FC – qualify to the Champions Cup via a separate competition, the Canadian Championship, and they represent the Canadian Soccer Association. Starting in 2024, all three Canadian teams may qualify through MLS slots.[1] The only times MLS standings were used for Canadian teams qualification were the 2014 season to determine the 2015–16 Champions League representative, as the Canadian Championship format was changed that season, and the 2020 season to determine the 2021 Champions League representative, as the 2020 Canadian Championship was postponed indefinitely due to the COVID-19 pandemic. Starting in 2018, the group stage was removed, so MLS teams now started in the Round of 16 (first round). Starting in 2024, one or two MLS teams will receive byes to the round of 16 while others will enter in the first round of 22 teams.[6] Till they dominate this Cup in the future then I may give its game the respect instead of it being buy a crowd. Harsh maybe so.
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+xYell and scream they are not real Football fans, because !!!!!!!! ?????? its not real Football why, !!!!!!!!!?????? I could counter Football fans in the US are better because they put up with of crap from other sports and media in the US, as well everyone telling them they have a fake league etc... they cop it from all sides but keep turning up Just like us. It's weird seeing people criticise the MLS for crowds being huge, media interest growing and record income. But we live in interesting times.
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Nothing you posted above was incorrect.
The slant was if I am correct, its a fake league because its buying its success, and only thu money is it working.
By and large, I think saying the MLS is buying success is not an unfair statement, certainty the investment by team owners is there for all to see. Equally MLS revenues are becoming huge.
What irks me is the double standards, the EPL is a league based on money, all the top leagues in Europe have at best 3 teams that will win their titles, arguably the EPL has 6 teams. They are all based on money, talk about excess money what about Real with billions written off over the years, so do we say the Spanish league is crap.
Have you ever considered, that around the 90's, Football was hardly a thought in the minds of most Americans. Few local grounds, mostly basketball courts.
The growth in popularly the revenue raised raised etc is IMO a massive achievement, also you seem to dismiss as almost a nothing, the MLS has the youngest demographic. Having the youngest demographic is seen as a mega to the power of massive by many in both the business and sporting world.
I am not saying they are great, nor they are the best, however I am saying since around 2004 they have experienced growth across all areas and from a near zero starting point, and IMO thats a real achievement.
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+xLFC Nothing you posted above was incorrect. The slant was if I am correct, its a fake league because its buying its success, and only thu money is it working. Pretty much the only way to win a title in the EPL is have a multi billionaire arab from a county with a dubious human rights record buy your club. Everyone seems to be OK with that.
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