Yeah, nah. Your second paragraph is irrelevant as I don't think anyone is disputing his success/brilliance at club level nor that he tried to bring in new blood at the national level. 

But where he was falling far short is that for representative teams there is only so much new blood you can bring in and you don't have the luxury to sign players that suit your system. As Enzo said, he did only just qualify (with significant luck), and he made massive tactical blunders against far lower teams that meant we had to go the Honduras route.

As a Celtic supporter I've loved watching him overhaul our team and I think he is a genuinely brilliant manager. I stay up now to watch every Tottenham game. I'm all aboard the Ange train. But there is some revisionism about the narrative that fails to acknowledge that post-Asian cup he wasn't doing the best job and his philosophy makes him a better club manager than national team manager.

Concur with others who've stated Angeball doesn't translate well to international football. He would definitely do well with a top European team though as the players would come from teams and leagues conducive to Angeball so transitioning from club to international football would be fairly seamless. 

I disagree that Ange hasn't left a legacy in Australian domestic football. Now any new coach is compared to the Roar days of Ange. He set the bench mark. Montgomery at CCM similarly had a significant input into how they have played over the last couple of years and, had he stayed a little longer, could have made a similar impact on the Aussie club scene. 

Even non-football friends still talk of teams pulling a ROAR when they make a late comeback win, as Eurosnobs talk of "Fergie Time".

christ never heard that mentioned down south re pulling a Roar time.
Learnt something new haha never considered them anywhere near the eurosnob calling.

Kamaryn on the $$$ again, besides the new blood was gonna happen with him or whoever, the broom was coming and retirements.

What's your bar for success at a world cup?

Getting to the R16 is a pass for me and probably where we sit in terms of world football.

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Yeah, with the team we had (and coach) going toe to toe with the eventual winners is absolutely ABOVE what I would have expected....  No argument from me there... I actually think Arnie is better suited to NT coach than many other BTW... especially with the cattle he is required to try and coral... Only a top notch man manger can get SPL, and second division European and Japanese players that far in a World Cup.... I think Ange's arrogance forced him to try and change the whole system far to early and he gave up when he realised he couldn't...  Arnie just seems to accept things are what they are, mentions not enough game time and no funding every now and then and then just relies on telling subpar players they have ANZAC spirit and can achieve anything.... It works for him ... its not sexy, its not creating any growth, but it works. The Socceroos are going to come out tomorrow morning, playing the match to end all matches and The poms are going to be going "gently gently" hoping not to get hurt before the real game vs Italy on Wednesday. A draw or even "heaven forbid" a win to the Socceroos will be lauded as the greatest thing to ever happen - instead of actually making any changes during his tenure.

Can't fault any of this logic Kamaryn. 

Reading between the lines Ange's frustration is exactly that "there is only so much new blood you can bring in and you don't have the luxury to sign players that suit your system"  He constantly spoke about changing the system so that Australia can one day produce the type of players that do suit his system.... technical, fast, forward thinking... Tzatziki - Taka players. The FFA had him jumping through hoops to apologise for PFA comments and make sure the sponsors received their moneys worth.

I didn't know that the job of the Socceroos coach was to change football in Australia. With that as his aim Ange was always going to walk away defeated.

give it the benefit of the doubt, lets say infleunce change cause obviously he was an employee of the FA and every NT coach has their ear wouldn't you think, obviously fell on deaf ears as they say and are we NOT surprised for here we are not in much better position locally structually, still no Football home another example.
Why is it those eggball code suits keep getting great funding whilst our game keeps lagging behind.
I don't care these codes have the local runs on the board, why can't someone in there kick some doors down.
Latest press pre Roos game has not just Ange bringing up this subject Arnie has put his boot in as well hours ago.
Glad both these guys are making some noise - will it keep just being noise - most likely.

HOW HAVE I NOT HEARD THIS TERM BEFORE?!

He is right. 

I'm finding the timing of Ange's and Arnold's lack of funding complaints to be quite 'strategic'. It is coming out just before the ALW launches on the back of a successful WWC with the Socceroos and Matildas playing a combined 9 games in less than 2 months.

I've no doubt that James Johnson has been pushing for Govt support behind the scenes. Has he now sent in a couple of better known faces now to apply a bit more public pressure in a period when there will be exposure to our national teams that the politicians are all too keen to associate with to put up or shut up. 

Well we wait and see with bated breath.

Yep.  As someone of his era, I feel the same.  Really thought with the A-league pulling huge numbers, world cups, Asian confederation we would be entrenched as the number 3 code by now.  There never will ever be another golden era like that.

On Postecoglou, he sold his house in Melbourne not long ago, his older son is in the Greek military, has youngs growing uo in Europe, multi-millionaire, he ain't choosing Australia over European football or St Kilda beach over sipping ouzo on the Greek Isles in retirement.

Its NOT Flytox 100% agreed but Ange, like Johnny and Les before him, felt compelled to try... At least thats what he claims...... 

"Tzatziki-Taka"?   heheheh yeah thats just what me and a couple of mates call Anges style...... glad you like it :)

Albo was interviewed on Cheap Seats 2 weeks ago and host asked Albo who’s the most famous person that made you nervous to meet? He said Sam Kerr. Expected him to say Queen Lizzy or King Charles etc Send Sam in to get some more money for FA

considering Sam is the latest to jump on the "pay to train" gravy train I doubt she would be the best person to lobby for funds for the FA mate
https://samkerrfootball.com/

Serenity Now!!!

And Arnold was a Penalty shootout away from not qualifying for Qatar and being sacked. All of us went into the Peru game expecting to loose. That seems to have been forgotten.

Forgotten in a thread about comments made by Postecoglou?

I don't like the way we play with Arnold, but he's philosophy transfers across to international football more easily.