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patjennings - 26 Nov 2023 1:05 PM
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Just coming back from back surgery. He is a natural striker, is quick and finds space. If he can stay injury free then a front three of Garang, Goodwin and Irakunda looks very exciting. 

Thanks appreciate it.
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Neanderthal - 18 Nov 2023 2:54 PM
I’ve been obsessed with this topic for over a decade.
In the Golden Generation, we were insanely lucky to have a quick succession of elite strikers like Viduka, Aloisi, Kennedy and Cahill.
As they started retiring we all expected someone else to come along. But it’s been 10-15 years and still nothing close to comparable.

I’ve just been suggesting in another thread that this new generation of players coming through is a cut above the quality of youth we saw in last 10-15 years. However, the clear and obvious weakness is still the #9 Striker position. There’s certainly a lot more potential than we’ve seen since the golden gen. But no one stands out as an obvious superstar.

So, I decided to channel my Australian Striker search obsession into this analysis and see what really are our options + what do the stats tell us?
Note on stats: I don’t beleive in including penalty kicks in goal stats. So all goalscoring stats are excluding PK’s.


1) New generation natural Striker options:
So many young strikers have at least started getting game time. So there’s a lot to consider, but so far no clear stand out favourites.

Kusini Yengi
Age: 24.8
Height: 6'2
Summary: Looked promising in the A-League and has upped it during his short stint for Portsmouth in League One which has earned his first cap for the Socceroos. Physically strong and fast player. Fingers crossed he can maintain this level of productivity and convert it to higher levels of play.
2023-24 | League One: Portsmouth | 136 minutes | 2 Goals | 0 Assists | 1.32 Goals/90 | 1.32 G+A/90
2022-23 | A-League: WSW | 827 minutes | 4 goals | 2 Assists | 0.44 Goals/90 | 0.65 G+A/90
2021-22 | A-Leauge: Adelaide Utd | 386 minutes | 1 Goal | 0 Assists | 0.23 Goals/90 | 0.23 G+A/90
2020-21 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 760 minutes | 4 Goals | 2 Assists | 0.47 Goals/90 | 0.71 G+A/90

John Iredale
Age: 24.3
Height: 6'2
Summary: Been kicking around Europe on our radar for years. Finally made it to a good level at 2. Bundesliga, but yet to score a goal.
2023-24 | 2. Bundesliga: Wehen | 277 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists
2022-23 | 3. Liga: Wehen | 912 minutes | 6 Goals | 1 Assist | 0.59 Goals/90 | 0.69 G+A/90
2021-22 | 3. Liga: Wehen | 390 minutes | 3 Goals | 0 assists | 0.69 Goal/90 | 0.69 G+A/90

Al Hassan Toure
Age: 23.5
Height: 6’1
Summary: Included more for comparison sake with his younger brothers further below.
2023-24 | Turkish 2nd Div | 483 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists
2022-23 | A-League: Macarthur | 1259 minutes | 3 Goals | 5 Assists | 0.21 Goals/90 | 0.57 G+A/90
2021-22 | A-League: Macarthur | 825 minutes | 2 Goals | 2 Assists | 0.22 Goals/90 | 0.44 G+A/90
2020-21 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 555 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists
2019-20 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 633 minutes | 2 Goals | 1 Assist | 0.28 Goals/90 | 0.43 G+A/90

Alou Kuol
Age: 22.3
Height: 6'0
Summary: Promising start to his career but went to Europe early where it didn’t work out for him. Since overshadowed by his younger brother in midfield, but has plenty of time to get himself back on track and compete for National Team selection.
2023-24 | A-League: CCM | 214 minutes | 1 Goal | 0 Assists | 0.42 Goals/90
2022-23 | Bundesliga: Stuttgart | 5 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists
2021-22 | 2. Bundeslinga: Sandhausen | 11 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists
2020-21 | A-League: CCM | 911 minutes | 7 Goals | 2 Assists | 0.69 Goals/90 | 0.89 G+A/90

Noah Botic
Age: 20.8
Height: 6'0
Summary: Currently first choice striker for the Olyroos which means he’s highly rated by Australian management, despite a poor start to this season for both Noah and his team.
2023-24 | A-League: Western Utd | 274 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists
2022-23 | A-League: Western Utd | 879 minutes | 6 Goals | 0 Assists | 0.60 Goals/90 | 0.60 G+A/90
2021-22 | A-Leauge: Western Utd | 23 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists

Mohamed Toure
Age: 19.6
Height: 6’1
Summary: To some people, Mohamed is out most promising future Striking talent. His stats below on the A-League and Ligue 2 speak for themselves. Physical thread and has a knack for goal. But can he get more game time in France, be consistent and step up to a higher level of play?
2023-24 | Ligue 2: Paris FC | 146 minutes | 1 Goal | 1 Assist | 0.62 Goals/90 | 1.23 G+A/90
2022-23 | Ligue 1: Reims | 23 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists
2021-22 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 475 minutes | 3 Goals | 0 Assists | 0.57 Goals/90 | 0.57 G+A/90
2020-21 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 357 minutes | 3 Goals | 1 Assist | 0.76 Goals/90 | 1.01 G+A/90
2019-20 | A-Leauge: Adelaide Utd | 150 minutes | 1 Goal | 0 Assists | 0.60 Goals/90 | 0.60 G+A/90

Archie Goodwin
Age: 19.0
Height: 5’10
Summary: Prolific goalscoring at youth level and seemlessly adapting to Senior level. Already clinical numbers infront of goal. One to watch as he starts to get more minutes.
2023-24 | A-League: Newcastle Jets | 0 minutes
2022-23 | A-League: Newcastle Jets | 144 minutes | 2 Goals | 0 Assists | 1.25 Goals/90 | 1.25 G+A/90
2021-22 | A-League: Newcastle Jets | 175 minutes | 2 Goals | 0 Assists | 1.03 Goals/90 | 1.03 G+A/90
2020-21 | A-League: Newcastle Jets | 298 minutes | 1 Goal | 1 Assist | 0.30 Goals/90 | 0.60 G+A/90

Thomas Waddingham
Age: 18.6
Height: ?
Summary: Brand new senior debutant who's off to a promising start to his career.
2023-24 | A-League: Brisbane Roar | 202 minutes | 1 Goal | 1 Assist | 0.45 Goals/90 | 0.89 G+A/90

Luka Jovanovic
Age: 18.5
Height: 5’9
Summary: Showed he has a knack for goal last season with 3 goals at only 17 years old.
2023-24 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 45 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists
2022-23 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 372 minutes | 3 Goals | 0 Assists | 0.72 Goals/90 | 0.72 G+A/90

Max Caputo
Age: 18.3
Height: 5’10
Summary: Young debutant Striker with a goal to his name in a small number of minutes.
2023-24 | A-League: Melbourne City | 47 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists
2022-23 | A-League: Melbourne City | 12 minutes | 1 Goal | 0 Assists | 7.5 Goals/90 | 7.5 G+A/90 (LOL)

Musa Toure
Age: 18.0
Height: 6’0
Summary: Youngest of the Toure brothers and the most technically gifted of the three. His 1.5 years older brother Mohamed is still ahead, but definitely has potential to overtake him. Some call Musa the most talented brother.
2023-24 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 119 minutes | 1 Goal | 0 Assists | 0.76 Goals/90 | 0.76 G+A/90
2022-23 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 17 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists

Mitchell Glasson
Age: 17.5
Height: 5’11
Summary: Main Striker for the U-17 Joeys and recently debuted in the A-Leauge.
2023-24 | A-League: Sydney FC | 48 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists

Rylan Brownlie
Age: 16.7
Height: 5’10
Summary: Youngest Striker getting minutes in the league so far this season.
2023-24 | A-League: Brisbane Roar | 95 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists


2) Convert a Winger/Attacking mid:
The great thing about this new generation is we seem to have a plethora of talented wingers/attacking mids coming through. Either way I’d expect most our goals to be coming from midfield and the wings.
If we’re lacking a quality target man and have too many talented wingers/attacking mids, then who can do a job in the #9 position?

Marco Tilio
Age 22.3
Height: 5’7
Summary: One player possibly suited to play as false 9 due to his strength, low centre of gravity and productivity around goal. Was dominant in the A-League. Even though he hasn’t got a shot at Celtic yet, I expect he’ll make a name for himself there with time.
2023-24 | SPL: Celtic | 0 minutes
2022-23 | A-League: Melbourne City | 1814 minutes | 9 Goals | 5 Assists | 0.45 Goals/90 | 0.69 G+A/90
2021-22 | A-League: Melbourne City | 1254 minutes | 4 Goals | 4 Assists | 0.29 Goals/90 | 0.57 G+A/90
2020-21 | A-League: Melbourne City | 848 minutes | 1 Goal | 4 Assists | 0.11 Goals/90 | 0.42 G+A/90
2019-20 | A-League: Sydney FC | 12 minutes | 1 Goal | 1 Assist | 7.5 Goals/90 | 15.0 G+A/90 (LOL)

Cristian Volpato
Age: 20.0
Height: 6’2
Summary: Playing at a very high level at his age and hugely hyped. I haven’t seen him play apart from youtube, but I assume from his height and productvitiy stats that he could play at #9 in a pinch. Big cavaet is that he needs to choose to represent us.
2023-24 | Serie A: Sassuolo | 167 minutes | 0 Goals | 1 Assist | 0.0 Goals/90 | 0.54 G+A/90
2022-23 | Serie A: Roma | 399 minutes | 1 Goal | 1 Assist | 0.23 Goals/90 | 0.45 G+A/90
2021-22 | Serie A: Roma | 38 minutes | 1 Goal | 0 Assists | 2.37 Goals/90 | 2.37 G+A/90

Bernardo Oliveira
Age: 19.7
Height: 5’7
Summary: Great numbers infront of goal for a player his age and position (on the wing).
2023-24 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 129 minutes | 2 Goals | 2 Assists | 1.4 Goals/90 | 2.79 G+A/90
2022-23 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 0 minutes
2021-22 | A-League: Adelaide Utd| 984 minutes | 2 Goals | 2 Assists | 0.18 Goals/90 | 0.37 G+A/90

Garang Kuol
Age: 19.2
Height: 5'9
Summary: Prolific in the A-League from a very young age putting him in the conversation. A much less productive start adapting to European leagues, but playing reguarly in the Eredivisue is great to see.
2023-34 | Eredivisie: Voldendam | 547 minutes | 1 Goal | 1 Assist | 0.17 Goals/90 | 0.33 G+A/90
2022-23 | SPL: Hearts | 203 minutes | 1 Goal | 0 Assists | 0.44 Goals/90 | 0.44 G+A/90
2021-22 | A-League: CCM | 153 minutes | 4 Goals | 1 Assist | 2.35 Goals/90 | 2.94 G+A/90
2020-21 | A-League: CCM | 911 minutes | 7 Goals | 2 Assists | 0.69 Goals/90 | 0.89 G+A/90

Nesteroy Irankunda
Age: 17.7
Height: 5'9
Summary: Most hyped youngster currently. Amazing goal scoring rates per 90 at only 16/17 years old in the A-League. Off to a little club named Bayern Munich to continue his development. His level of productivity infront of goal makes him worth mentioning in this conversation.
2023-24 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 234 minutes | 1 Goal | 0 Assists | 0.38 Goals/90 | 0.38 G+A/90
2022-23 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 508 minutes | 5 Goals | 2 Assists | 0.89 Goals/90 | 1.24 G+A/90
2021-22 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 193 minutes | 3 Goals | 0 Assists | 1.39 Goals/90 | 1.39 G+A/90


3) Hold onto the current older generation options:
Hopefully the 2026 World Cup doesn’t come to this, but there’s been no signs of moving on from these guys just yet.

Mitchell Duke
Age: 32.8
Height: 6’0
Summary: Currently our best option who should lead us into the Asian Cup. Not much of a goal threat, but great at playing target man, holding up the ball, combination play and bringing others into the game.
He’ll be turning 33 during the Asian cup. So if we’re still holding onto him as our best option by the time 2026 World Cup rolls around then we’re in trouble.

Jamie Maclaren
Age: 30.4
Height: 5’10
Summary: Brilliant at exploiting defensive mistakes and converting counter attacks. However, agianst a well structured defence who don’t give him space, he just gets outmuscled everytime. Good for qualification, but not what we should be holding onto if our aim is to get into the knockout stages of the 2026 world cup.

Brandon Borello
Age: 28.3
Height: 5’10
Summary: Not a natural striker, but shown recently he can do a job there. If no better options come along, he’ll be young enough to be at his best and may get better at the role buy 2026.

Jason Cummings
Age: 28.3
Height: 5’10
Summary: Recent Australian convert who’s more of a natrual Striker and will be young enough. One of the most consistent goalscorers last season in the A-League. A shame he's chosen to cash in by playing in a weaker league at the moment.


Thanks for making  the effort to do this, Neanderthal.

However,  there is one very strange phenomenon -  listing the height of players in the imperial measurement! Use the metric measurements!



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Great work  there,  Grazorblade!
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One player who I’ve noticed who seems to be flying under the radar on this forum is Luka Jovanovic. I can’t recall a striker coming through that is so technically good but also so lethal in front of goal. For me, he is the most promising striker playing in Australia right now with Archie Goodwin in second. 

Archie has had a lot of injuries and it was mentioned in commentary during their game that the Jets will really manage his minutes which is good. The last thing we went is him being thrown in every week when his body isn’t up to it.
 

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sub007 - 27 Nov 2023 12:39 AM
One player who I’ve noticed who seems to be flying under the radar on this forum is Luka Jovanovic. I can’t recall a striker coming through that is so technically good but also so lethal in front of goal. For me, he is the most promising striker playing in Australia right now with Archie Goodwin in second. 

Archie has had a lot of injuries and it was mentioned in commentary during their game that the Jets will really manage his minutes which is good. The last thing we went is him being thrown in every week when his body isn’t up to it.
 

Interesting that luka is starting ahead of Musa Toure who is the same age.
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One piece of caution for development is that eli Babalj's 2nd season he looked like he could really come good - 9 goals in 1400 minutes at 19-20 years of age. That's not far off some of our better players today. Weirdly, he seemed to peak at 19 and never reached the same heights again. Anyone know what went wrong with him?

I wanted to also look at touches per 90 since for the national team it tends to matter how involved the player is when not scoring goals. When maclaren doesn't score it is like playing with 10 men

Jamie Mclaren:19.8
Duke 47.1 (last a league season)
Taggart: 29.7
Juric: 32.3 (20/21 season)

Our current youngsters

Waddingham: 21.4
Kuol: 23.4
Toure: 38.0
Botic: 35.4
Goodwin: 37.8
Jovanovic: 29.8
wood: 30.3
yengi: 50.4
iredale: 43.2

the surprise is kuol who I've heard is quite good at hold up play. If Yengi can win a starting spot I wonder if he can be a real late bloomer for us. Such a physical presence and really gets involved. Elite strikers vary quite a lot on how much they get involved in buildup. Haaland averages 22 touches per 90, messi around 80. I'm guessing we need a player that likes to get involved against superior teams


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grazorblade - 28 Nov 2023 6:42 PM
One piece of caution for development is that eli Babalj's 2nd season he looked like he could really come good - 9 goals in 1400 minutes at 19-20 years of age. That's not far off some of our better players today. Weirdly, he seemed to peak at 19 and never reached the same heights again. Anyone know what went wrong with him?

He got a bad injury I think just before he went to AZ, then while on loan back in Oz did his ACL and he was never the same.

Like I've been saying for decades, our attacking gifted players do not get protected enough by our refs they get hacked to death and always injured.

Just pray that Nestory doesn't get hacked to death this year AGAIN.
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He got a bad injury I think just before he went to AZ, then while on loan back in Oz did his ACL and he was never the same.

Like I've been saying for decades, our attacking gifted players do not get protected enough by our refs they get hacked to death and always injured.

Just pray that Nestory doesn't get hacked to death this year AGAIN.

I always felt performances in asian champions league was a better predictor of long term performance than a league performances. A big difference is the refs give so much more protection for the players. It means some people that shine in the a league look like plodders in the acl, some that struggle in the a league find they can excel in the acl. The a league is weird in that it has a style that is highly technical, more so than even the epl, yet has a reffing style that suffocates technical players. The technical style prepares roos to play in the big 5, the reffing preps players to play in the spl. 

We really need to push for harsher reffing. Last season saw some of it, but there were howls of protest for all the red cards and pens. But you can't produce technicians in a league that allows plodders to break even by hacking the legs out of better players. We also need a culture change amongst fans, stop freaking out that a player is diving when their legs are hacked off and worry more about how it is cheating to try and play fightball rather than football
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Someone mentioned Volpato as a striker option. Very left field but it got me wondering if he could play as a false 9. If you had that with Irankunda and Kuol either side that's a tonne of potential. Obviously a ridiculously early call for all 3 players but it had me thinking. 
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Anyone know when mo toure returns from injury?
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Mid season update comparing players with our last generation of strikers. I notice there were a few players that got goals as super subs only to decline briefly when going to starting xi. So nothing unfamiliar with some of our players having similar issues, work throughout and there is light on the other side. Juric looks the best of the last generation of strikers, nice run for the socceroos and 3 decent seasons in europe (1 in the eredivisie getting over 1k minutes and 2 in greek super league) also was in european qualifiers a few times. So in my opinion he is the benchmark we want to beat.

Yengi
Jan 1999 17 goals in 2944 minutes

Nabbout as of December 2017: 4395 minutes for 19 goals
Duke as of January 2016 16 goals from 6598 minutes
Juric as of July 2016 27 goals from 5698 minutes
Mclaren as of July 2018 61 goals from 7914
Taggart as of June 2018 43 goals from 7079 minutes

Iredale
August 1999 13 goals after 1958 minutes

Nabout as of May 2017 13 goals at 3279
Duke as of June 2016 15 goals at 5571 minutes
Juric as of Dec 2015 26 goals at 5118 minutes
Maclaren as of Dec 2017 53 goals at 6998 minutes
Taggart as of Nov 2017 38 goals at 6020 minutes

A Kuol
July 2001 14 goals at 1991 minutes

Nabout as of June 2015 5 goals at 1291 minutes
Duke as of July 2013 9 goals at 1250 minutes
Juric as of Jan 2014 6 goals at 1708 minutes
Maclaren as of Jan 2016 16 goals at 2424
Taggart as of Dec 2015 19 goals at 3415 minutes

Botic
Jan 2002 8 goals at 1820 minutes

Nabout as of Dec 2014 5 goals at 1268
Duke as of Jan 2013  3 goal at 333 minutes
Juric as of July 2013 6 goals at 1547 minutes
Mclaren as of July 2015 11 goals at 1954 minutes
Taggart as of June 2015 19 goals at 3348 minutes

Patrick wood 
sep 2002 13 goals at 2159 minutes

Nabout as of April 2014 4 goals at 1252 minutes
Duke as of May 2012  1 goal at 44 minutes
Juric as of Jan 2013 3 goals at 782
Mclaren as of Jan 2015 3 goals at 1233
Taggart as of Dec 2014 19 goals at 3348 minutes

Mo Toure
March 2004 8 goals for 1141 minutes

Nabout as of Feb 2013 4 goals at 439
Duke as of March 2011  0 goals at 0 minutes
Juric as of Sep 2011 0 goals at 0
Mclaren as of Sep 2013 0 goals at 0
Taggart as of Aug 2013 3 goals at 1182 minutes

A Goodwin
November 2004 7 goals at 846 minutes

Nabout as of June 2012 0 goals at 0 minutes
Taggart as of Jan 2013 1 goal at 536

T Waddingham
April 2005 5 goals at 971 minutes

Taggart as of Feb 2012 1 goal at 365 minutes

L Jovanovic
May 2005 4 goals at 861 minutes

Taggart as of Jan 2012 1 goal at 365 minutes

M Caputo
Aug 2005 2 goals at  276 minutes

Taggart as of Nov 2011 1 goal at 298 minutes

Musa Toure
Nov 2005 1 goal from 165 minutes

Taggart as of Sep 2011 1 goal at 298 minutes

M Glasson
May 2006 0 goals at 150 minutes

Taggart as of Dec 2010 0 goals at 0 minutes

R Brownlie
Feb 2007 1 goals after 234 minutes

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The crop is significantly better than what we have produced in the last 10 years while well below the early careers of aloisi and viduka. None of these players are viduka or aloisi level in their early career trajectory but many are competitive with sterjovski, tiatto, aurelio vidmar, scott mcdonald's careers. So hopefully we have a bunch of strikers doing slightly better than juric having say 5-6 good seasons in 2nd tier euro leagues with the occasional having a season or two in a big 5 league. Will post another update at season's end
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It was all about fitness for Duke last night.

I think we'll see some of Yengi and quite probably zero minutes for Iredale. Fornaroli should play a role. 

Thing is, I'd rather not see our strikers meaning we're not chasing games and leading and winning. 

I totally appreciate Duke but it can also take up to 10 caps for a player to click and we've got to go hard to get these new guys integrated. 
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Neanderthal - 18 Nov 2023 2:54 PM


Jamie Maclaren
Age: 30.4
Height: 5’10
Summary: Brilliant at exploiting defensive mistakes and converting counter attacks. However, agianst a well structured defence who don’t give him space, he just gets outmuscled everytime. Good for qualification, but not what we should be holding onto if our aim is to get into the knockout stages of the 2026 world cup.





Good analysis of J Mac, Neanderthal.

Welcome back to the forum. 

It  is interesting to note that Cahill at a similar size to JMac, was so successful playing international football as central striker.

Most current  Socceroo strikers all state that JMac is the best finisher - which he is in the A L and against weaker teams, like the hat trick against Bangladesh a few weeks ago. However,  he struggles against higher quality international teams - to outmuscle them, out jump them,  to dribble past/ through them, and he  doesn't  appear to be able to check  well enough ( feint one way and run in the other direction to shake makers) to create space against better international teams.

As an A L striker, JMac is the greatest.
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johnszasz - 7 Jan 2024 5:29 PM


I totally appreciate Duke but it can also take up to 10 caps for a player to click and we've got to go hard to get these new guys integrated. 

I checked Duke's Strike Rate per game. He  strikes at an average of 0.37 goals per game played.

Cahill has about 0.50 goals  per game, which is really good for an international striker. Sam Kerr is  has an even higher SR of goals peer game, I think.

Viduka only  struck at an average of 0.25 goals per game for the Socceroos.

I think Aloisi and Kennedy had average SRs - at over 0.40 goals per game.

I think Duke's scoring rate is acceptable, as long as some other  Socceroos contribute to goals scored.  



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grazorblade - 1 Jan 2024 3:01 AM
The crop is significantly better than what we have produced in the last 10 years while well below the early careers of aloisi and viduka. None of these players are viduka or aloisi level in their early career trajectory but many are competitive with sterjovski, tiatto, aurelio vidmar, scott mcdonald's careers. So hopefully we have a bunch of strikers doing slightly better than juric having say 5-6 good seasons in 2nd tier euro leagues with the occasional having a season or two in a big 5 league. Will post another update at season's end

To be fair, outside Aloisi and Duke, we have produced only two other strikers of world class IMO, Frank Farina and Ray Baartz ... whereas keepers we have produced plenty.... lack of strikers arguably coms down to lack of coaching knowledge  ... mids a heap arguably lead by Kwell & Cahill.and backs a plenty...

Excellent topic, as an aside, I recall being at Football forum back in the mid 80's and the whole emphases was we should move to the 'total football" style... a sorta of shift away from coaching of positions.

The post has made me think, and across my entire Football experience, I understand were keepers, backs, mids etc should play and move off the ball, whereas in strikers its always been hang on the shoulder of the last defender.... further the back to goals striker who can hold a ball up front , play others in, is rare in Australia, Jason Cummings could do that but arguably lacked the speed that great strikers need... 

Out of left field maybe FA should appoint somebody to develop a strikers program to be introduced Australia wide... 



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Didn't René Meulensteen develop a program that took care of Rashford's development at a young age? This should've been happening as a side role while at the Roos and he should be approached about this. 
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johnszasz - 8 Jan 2024 11:49 AM
Didn't René Meulensteen develop a program that took care of Rashford's development at a young age? This should've been happening as a side role while at the Roos and he should be approached about this. 

When in form he's certainly a great player... but very rarely does he track back and do the hard work/intelligent pressing. etc... Not the best example to learn from for a modern day forward.
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johnszasz - 8 Jan 2024 11:49 AM

When in form he's certainly a great player... but very rarely does he track back and do the hard work/intelligent pressing. etc... Not the best example to learn from for a modern day forward.

Definitely his demeanour etc is something we wouldn't want. I would like to think there's a lot to do with awareness, movement and finishing from Rene's coaching.

https://trainingground.guru/articles/meulensteen-how-to-develop-a-young-gem-like-rashford

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Had high hopes for Deni Juric a few years ago, when he was in form & "deciding his international future". What a complete fuck up by him - he was selected for a few squads back then, but didn't commit - now he's completely vanished 
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To be fair, outside Aloisi and Duke, we have produced only two other strikers of world class IMO, Frank Farina and Ray Baartz ... whereas keepers we have produced plenty.... lack of strikers arguably coms down to lack of coaching knowledge  ... mids a heap arguably lead by Kwell & Cahill.and backs a plenty...

Excellent topic, as an aside, I recall being at Football forum back in the mid 80's and the whole emphases was we should move to the 'total football" style... a sorta of shift away from coaching of positions.

The post has made me think, and across my entire Football experience, I understand were keepers, backs, mids etc should play and move off the ball, whereas in strikers its always been hang on the shoulder of the last defender.... further the back to goals striker who can hold a ball up front , play others in, is rare in Australia, Jason Cummings could do that but arguably lacked the speed that great strikers need... 

Out of left field maybe FA should appoint somebody to develop a strikers program to be introduced Australia wide... 



I heard that the main skill strikers need and are jidged by is their ability to manage space aroubd defenders. By that criteria all of our strikers are a bit remedial and id love a specialist striker coach be appointed by the fa
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sub007 - 27 Nov 2023 12:39 AM
One player who I’ve noticed who seems to be flying under the radar on this forum is Luka Jovanovic. I can’t recall a striker coming through that is so technically good but also so lethal in front of goal. For me, he is the most promising striker playing in Australia right now with Archie Goodwin in second. 

Archie has had a lot of injuries and it was mentioned in commentary during their game that the Jets will really manage his minutes which is good. The last thing we went is him being thrown in every week when his body isn’t up to it.
 

Haven't seen these guys yet. Look forward to it.
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grazorblade - 28 Nov 2023 6:42 PM


I wanted to also look at touches per 90 since for the national team it tends to matter how involved the player is when not scoring goals. When maclaren doesn't score it is like playing with 10 men

Jamie Mclaren:19.8
Duke 47.1 (last a league season)
Taggart: 29.7
Juric: 32.3 (20/21 season)


Fascinating stats!

I'm not sure how often Cahill touched the ball outside his shots at goal - where I think he averaged 5-6 per game?  This is high compared to most of our other number 9s.

Duke has a phenomenal workrate and overall game involvement - outside scoring goals.
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 id love a specialist striker coach be appointed by the fa

Strangely enough in about 2006, and the Hiddink/Baan/Pim/Berger  era, the greatest concerns about lack of quality Aus players  were most positions on the pitch - outside striking and keeping.

Whilst quality players that Football Aus Tech Dept desperately wanted to develop in other positions, which has probably happened in recent times, we had a lot more decent strikers around 2005-8.

It makes sense to have a specialist 'striking school'. 

JMac said he learned heaps about striking in a short period of time from John Aloisi coaching him at Roar.
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I heard that the main skill strikers need and are jidged by is their ability to manage space aroubd defenders. By that criteria all of our strikers are a bit remedial and id love a specialist striker coach be appointed by the fa

yes therefore striker coaching gets right down to SAP up..
All my years with my boys from that level on (> YL) has had no training or even shooting practice or attacking crossed balls.
All too late introducing this for NT level.
I watched in disgust some games a very technical German coach who was good but didn't like taking advantage of a free kick in range but preferred the kids/to teens to carry on "play" as he used to scream out to reset retain possesion.
One moment you could have had a great chance to score next moment you've passed the ball back to halfway, used to shake my head for he had a couple of very capable dead ball takers/strikers.
In my time in Reps back in the day we always spent some time at the end of training doing the above, it was kind of like the last drill after a half pitch game and fun for all actually.
Good extra prac for the keeper might I add.


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grazorblade - 8 Jan 2024 5:49 PM

yes therefore striker coaching gets right down to SAP up..
All my years with my boys from that level on (> YL) has had no training or even shooting practice or attacking crossed balls.
All too late introducing this for NT level.


I have a  few  tremendous shooting drills and small sided games focusing on shooting - that most young, and even old, players love.

* One is a standard KNVB 5v 5 with big goals in a grid about 30 metres by 30. As soon as a goal is scored, the keeper restarts with a goal kick.  Players get so many chances to shoot and score!

*I had another  good Chelsea Academy  where players dribbled around cones to the left, central and right stations near the edge of the pen box, then shoot. Every time they shot they would have to retrieve the ball and  run, changing to fast/slow, fast/slow, with the ball bak to the next central, left or right shooting station, juggling or practising dribbling skills if they had to wait in a queue. The players got plenty of work too, and it was a hard fitness exercise.

*Another was an Ajax drill where the player  ran with the ball down  three different shooting stations - left, central , right - one station at a time, with a couple of players standing next to a cone and wall passing  for one/twos on the way to shooting. 

* Another was a crossing and scoring exercise, which many would have seen here  before on the training ground.

Thanks to a R Brown and Dirk van Adidas for posting the Chelsea Academy exercises in the Performance section. I passed these on to heaps of other coaches.

There is nothing players like more on the training ground than scoring goals!



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Because he was never even given one chance, we'll never know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Porta

"He is a two-time golden boot winner, having won the award whilst at River Plate and most recently at Nacional in Uruguay's Primera División."

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johnsmith - 9 Jan 2024 12:16 PM
Because he was never even given one chance, we'll never know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Porta

"He is a two-time golden boot winner, having won the award whilst at River Plate and most recently at Nacional in Uruguay's Primera División."

Arnie would've been all over this guy if he was playing now!! 
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To be fair, outside Aloisi and Duke, we have produced only two other strikers of world class IMO, Frank Farina and Ray Baartz ... whereas keepers we have produced plenty.... lack of strikers arguably coms down to lack of coaching knowledge  ... mids a heap arguably lead by Kwell & Cahill.and backs a plenty...

Excellent topic, as an aside, I recall being at Football forum back in the mid 80's and the whole emphases was we should move to the 'total football" style... a sorta of shift away from coaching of positions.

The post has made me think, and across my entire Football experience, I understand were keepers, backs, mids etc should play and move off the ball, whereas in strikers its always been hang on the shoulder of the last defender.... further the back to goals striker who can hold a ball up front , play others in, is rare in Australia, Jason Cummings could do that but arguably lacked the speed that great strikers need... 

Out of left field maybe FA should appoint somebody to develop a strikers program to be introduced Australia wide... 



Your partnership with Bobby Despotovski became legendary - why did it work so well?
We just complimented each other. We were very different - Bobby was very technical and came short. I played on the shoulders of defenders - we didn't get in the way of each other. We understood where each other would be running. Bobby was a true number 10. He could hit a ball with both feet, and he could turn on a dime. It was a pleasure to play with him.

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Your partnership with Bobby Despotovski became legendary - why did it work so well?
We just complimented each other. We were very different - Bobby was very technical and came short. I played on the shoulders of defenders - we didn't get in the way of each other. We understood where each other would be running. Bobby was a true number 10. He could hit a ball with both feet, and he could turn on a dime. It was a pleasure to play with him.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/simon-hill-chats-to-damian-mori-about-his-career-in-the-nsl-and-a-league-and-his-coaching-ambitions/news-story/43a6fbdf493ba8a1a4f0fb94d23be4ff


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