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I'm thinking roughly where the new crop of strikers land in terms of early career promise
Mcdonald had a good season for Motherwell as a u22 in the spl whereas kennedy had to wait till u23 before having a good season. Imo, the new strikers, mo toure in particular, look roughly similar. Just need one of them to exceed expectations
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+x+x+xJust looking at Taggart's career. Did well to get into the 2014 WC squad albeit we had slim pickings and I'm just reading no Kennedy was in Brazil and withdrew to injury. It's what follows that maybe stuffed things up. The Fulham move. Zero games then 7 on loan for Dundee United. Was he injured for part of the time? Too many players move to this big name clubs and are just another number. Once he came back he's had a stellar scoring record. If he were Serbian or Brazilian scoring in the K League like that then European clubs are all over him. Given he's definitely more comfortable being the big fish in a small pond, his finishing when presented with chances is among the best of Australian strikers. Frustrating injuries and maybe hitting the post Japan away was the sliding doors moment. These young players in any position need to play 4-5 full A League seasons then move to a reasonable level overseas. Too many throwing away careers by big club hoarding programs which use bright lights to blind them. We dont have a lot of precendent for what makes a good striker. There is aloisi who left too early to read any lessons into (with modern rules about u18s transferring). Then viduka who was an outrageous ohtlier then little in between. Nit even mark viduka went to the epl straight away. So as u say that first big move needs to be right Frank farina is probably the best example for this new crop of really good but not viduka level strikers. Left at 24 and went to belgium Kennedy is an interesting one who toughed it out and the Dresden move is what finally saw him kick on. After that is was a reasonably good Bundesliga spell and then he was excellent in Japan. He left super early, when 18 We dont really have a precedent in the a league era for the strikers we have now, so we have no idea how good they should end up. Taggart had the standout early career (weaker than this crops early careers) but had a pretty low peak, which had me worried that you need to be getting a goal a game at u19 in the a league to have a chance, or leave super early like aloisi or kennedy knowing most players who do go nowhere. Mind u goals arent everything. Taggart, maclaren and kennedy had little to their game outside of goals, whereas the new players have more strings in their bow. We also have a bunch of players doing better than taggz, so maybe the law of large numbers works in our favour?
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+x+xJust looking at Taggart's career. Did well to get into the 2014 WC squad albeit we had slim pickings and I'm just reading no Kennedy was in Brazil and withdrew to injury. It's what follows that maybe stuffed things up. The Fulham move. Zero games then 7 on loan for Dundee United. Was he injured for part of the time? Too many players move to this big name clubs and are just another number. Once he came back he's had a stellar scoring record. If he were Serbian or Brazilian scoring in the K League like that then European clubs are all over him. Given he's definitely more comfortable being the big fish in a small pond, his finishing when presented with chances is among the best of Australian strikers. Frustrating injuries and maybe hitting the post Japan away was the sliding doors moment. These young players in any position need to play 4-5 full A League seasons then move to a reasonable level overseas. Too many throwing away careers by big club hoarding programs which use bright lights to blind them. We dont have a lot of precendent for what makes a good striker. There is aloisi who left too early to read any lessons into (with modern rules about u18s transferring). Then viduka who was an outrageous ohtlier then little in between. Nit even mark viduka went to the epl straight away. So as u say that first big move needs to be right Frank farina is probably the best example for this new crop of really good but not viduka level strikers. Left at 24 and went to belgium Kennedy is an interesting one who toughed it out and the Dresden move is what finally saw him kick on. After that is was a reasonably good Bundesliga spell and then he was excellent in Japan.
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+xJust looking at Taggart's career. Did well to get into the 2014 WC squad albeit we had slim pickings and I'm just reading no Kennedy was in Brazil and withdrew to injury. It's what follows that maybe stuffed things up. The Fulham move. Zero games then 7 on loan for Dundee United. Was he injured for part of the time? Too many players move to this big name clubs and are just another number. Once he came back he's had a stellar scoring record. If he were Serbian or Brazilian scoring in the K League like that then European clubs are all over him. Given he's definitely more comfortable being the big fish in a small pond, his finishing when presented with chances is among the best of Australian strikers. Frustrating injuries and maybe hitting the post Japan away was the sliding doors moment. These young players in any position need to play 4-5 full A League seasons then move to a reasonable level overseas. Too many throwing away careers by big club hoarding programs which use bright lights to blind them. We dont have a lot of precendent for what makes a good striker. There is aloisi who left too early to read any lessons into (with modern rules about u18s transferring). Then viduka who was an outrageous ohtlier then little in between. Nit even mark viduka went to the epl straight away. So as u say that first big move needs to be right Frank farina is probably the best example for this new crop of really good but not viduka level strikers. Left at 24 and went to belgium
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Just looking at Taggart's career. Did well to get into the 2014 WC squad albeit we had slim pickings and I'm just reading no Kennedy was in Brazil and withdrew to injury.
It's what follows that maybe stuffed things up. The Fulham move. Zero games then 7 on loan for Dundee United. Was he injured for part of the time? Too many players move to this big name clubs and are just another number. Once he came back he's had a stellar scoring record. If he were Serbian or Brazilian scoring in the K League like that then European clubs are all over him. Given he's definitely more comfortable being the big fish in a small pond, his finishing when presented with chances is among the best of Australian strikers. Frustrating injuries and maybe hitting the post Japan away was the sliding doors moment.
These young players in any position need to play 4-5 full A League seasons then move to a reasonable level overseas. Too many throwing away careers by big club hoarding programs which use bright lights to blind them.
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+xI’ve been obsessed with this topic for over a decade. In the Golden Generation, we were insanely lucky to have a quick succession of elite strikers like Viduka, Aloisi, Kennedy and Cahill. As they started retiring we all expected someone else to come along. But it’s been 10-15 years and still nothing close to comparable. I’ve just been suggesting in another thread that this new generation of players coming through is a cut above the quality of youth we saw in last 10-15 years. However, the clear and obvious weakness is still the #9 Striker position. There’s certainly a lot more potential than we’ve seen since the golden gen. But no one stands out as an obvious superstar. So, I decided to channel my Australian Striker search obsession into this analysis and see what really are our options + what do the stats tell us? Note on stats: I don’t beleive in including penalty kicks in goal stats. So all goalscoring stats are excluding PK’s. 1) New generation natural Striker options:So many young strikers have at least started getting game time. So there’s a lot to consider, but so far no clear stand out favourites. Kusini YengiAge: 24.8 Height: 6'2 Summary: Looked promising in the A-League and has upped it during his short stint for Portsmouth in League One which has earned his first cap for the Socceroos. Physically strong and fast player. Fingers crossed he can maintain this level of productivity and convert it to higher levels of play. 2023-24 | League One: Portsmouth | 136 minutes | 2 Goals | 0 Assists | 1.32 Goals/90 | 1.32 G+A/90 2022-23 | A-League: WSW | 827 minutes | 4 goals | 2 Assists | 0.44 Goals/90 | 0.65 G+A/90 2021-22 | A-Leauge: Adelaide Utd | 386 minutes | 1 Goal | 0 Assists | 0.23 Goals/90 | 0.23 G+A/90 2020-21 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 760 minutes | 4 Goals | 2 Assists | 0.47 Goals/90 | 0.71 G+A/90John IredaleAge: 24.3 Height: 6'2 Summary: Been kicking around Europe on our radar for years. Finally made it to a good level at 2. Bundesliga, but yet to score a goal. 2023-24 | 2. Bundesliga: Wehen | 277 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists 2022-23 | 3. Liga: Wehen | 912 minutes | 6 Goals | 1 Assist | 0.59 Goals/90 | 0.69 G+A/90 2021-22 | 3. Liga: Wehen | 390 minutes | 3 Goals | 0 assists | 0.69 Goal/90 | 0.69 G+A/90 Al Hassan ToureAge: 23.5 Height: 6’1 Summary: Included more for comparison sake with his younger brothers further below. 2023-24 | Turkish 2nd Div | 483 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists 2022-23 | A-League: Macarthur | 1259 minutes | 3 Goals | 5 Assists | 0.21 Goals/90 | 0.57 G+A/90 2021-22 | A-League: Macarthur | 825 minutes | 2 Goals | 2 Assists | 0.22 Goals/90 | 0.44 G+A/90 2020-21 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 555 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists 2019-20 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 633 minutes | 2 Goals | 1 Assist | 0.28 Goals/90 | 0.43 G+A/90 Alou KuolAge: 22.3 Height: 6'0 Summary: Promising start to his career but went to Europe early where it didn’t work out for him. Since overshadowed by his younger brother in midfield, but has plenty of time to get himself back on track and compete for National Team selection. 2023-24 | A-League: CCM | 214 minutes | 1 Goal | 0 Assists | 0.42 Goals/90 2022-23 | Bundesliga: Stuttgart | 5 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists 2021-22 | 2. Bundeslinga: Sandhausen | 11 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists 2020-21 | A-League: CCM | 911 minutes | 7 Goals | 2 Assists | 0.69 Goals/90 | 0.89 G+A/90Noah BoticAge: 20.8 Height: 6'0 Summary: Currently first choice striker for the Olyroos which means he’s highly rated by Australian management, despite a poor start to this season for both Noah and his team. 2023-24 | A-League: Western Utd | 274 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists 2022-23 | A-League: Western Utd | 879 minutes | 6 Goals | 0 Assists | 0.60 Goals/90 | 0.60 G+A/90 2021-22 | A-Leauge: Western Utd | 23 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists Mohamed ToureAge: 19.6 Height: 6’1 Summary: To some people, Mohamed is out most promising future Striking talent. His stats below on the A-League and Ligue 2 speak for themselves. Physical thread and has a knack for goal. But can he get more game time in France, be consistent and step up to a higher level of play? 2023-24 | Ligue 2: Paris FC | 146 minutes | 1 Goal | 1 Assist | 0.62 Goals/90 | 1.23 G+A/902022-23 | Ligue 1: Reims | 23 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists 2021-22 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 475 minutes | 3 Goals | 0 Assists | 0.57 Goals/90 | 0.57 G+A/90 2020-21 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 357 minutes | 3 Goals | 1 Assist | 0.76 Goals/90 | 1.01 G+A/902019-20 | A-Leauge: Adelaide Utd | 150 minutes | 1 Goal | 0 Assists | 0.60 Goals/90 | 0.60 G+A/90 Archie GoodwinAge: 19.0 Height: 5’10 Summary: Prolific goalscoring at youth level and seemlessly adapting to Senior level. Already clinical numbers infront of goal. One to watch as he starts to get more minutes. 2023-24 | A-League: Newcastle Jets | 0 minutes 2022-23 | A-League: Newcastle Jets | 144 minutes | 2 Goals | 0 Assists | 1.25 Goals/90 | 1.25 G+A/90 2021-22 | A-League: Newcastle Jets | 175 minutes | 2 Goals | 0 Assists | 1.03 Goals/90 | 1.03 G+A/902020-21 | A-League: Newcastle Jets | 298 minutes | 1 Goal | 1 Assist | 0.30 Goals/90 | 0.60 G+A/90 Thomas WaddinghamAge: 18.6 Height: ? Summary: Brand new senior debutant who's off to a promising start to his career. 2023-24 | A-League: Brisbane Roar | 202 minutes | 1 Goal | 1 Assist | 0.45 Goals/90 | 0.89 G+A/90Luka JovanovicAge: 18.5 Height: 5’9 Summary: Showed he has a knack for goal last season with 3 goals at only 17 years old. 2023-24 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 45 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists 2022-23 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 372 minutes | 3 Goals | 0 Assists | 0.72 Goals/90 | 0.72 G+A/90 Max CaputoAge: 18.3 Height: 5’10 Summary: Young debutant Striker with a goal to his name in a small number of minutes. 2023-24 | A-League: Melbourne City | 47 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists 2022-23 | A-League: Melbourne City | 12 minutes | 1 Goal | 0 Assists | 7.5 Goals/90 | 7.5 G+A/90 (LOL) Musa ToureAge: 18.0 Height: 6’0 Summary: Youngest of the Toure brothers and the most technically gifted of the three. His 1.5 years older brother Mohamed is still ahead, but definitely has potential to overtake him. Some call Musa the most talented brother. 2023-24 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 119 minutes | 1 Goal | 0 Assists | 0.76 Goals/90 | 0.76 G+A/90 2022-23 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 17 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists
Mitchell Glasson Age: 17.5 Height: 5’11 Summary: Main Striker for the U-17 Joeys and recently debuted in the A-Leauge. 2023-24 | A-League: Sydney FC | 48 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists
Rylan Brownlie Age: 16.7 Height: 5’10 Summary: Youngest Striker getting minutes in the league so far this season. 2023-24 | A-League: Brisbane Roar | 95 minutes | 0 Goals | 0 Assists
2) Convert a Winger/Attacking mid: The great thing about this new generation is we seem to have a plethora of talented wingers/attacking mids coming through. Either way I’d expect most our goals to be coming from midfield and the wings. If we’re lacking a quality target man and have too many talented wingers/attacking mids, then who can do a job in the #9 position?
Marco Tilio Age 22.3 Height: 5’7 Summary: One player possibly suited to play as false 9 due to his strength, low centre of gravity and productivity around goal. Was dominant in the A-League. Even though he hasn’t got a shot at Celtic yet, I expect he’ll make a name for himself there with time. 2023-24 | SPL: Celtic | 0 minutes 2022-23 | A-League: Melbourne City | 1814 minutes | 9 Goals | 5 Assists | 0.45 Goals/90 | 0.69 G+A/90 2021-22 | A-League: Melbourne City | 1254 minutes | 4 Goals | 4 Assists | 0.29 Goals/90 | 0.57 G+A/90 2020-21 | A-League: Melbourne City | 848 minutes | 1 Goal | 4 Assists | 0.11 Goals/90 | 0.42 G+A/90 2019-20 | A-League: Sydney FC | 12 minutes | 1 Goal | 1 Assist | 7.5 Goals/90 | 15.0 G+A/90 (LOL)
Cristian Volpato Age: 20.0 Height: 6’2 Summary: Playing at a very high level at his age and hugely hyped. I haven’t seen him play apart from youtube, but I assume from his height and productvitiy stats that he could play at #9 in a pinch. Big cavaet is that he needs to choose to represent us. 2023-24 | Serie A: Sassuolo | 167 minutes | 0 Goals | 1 Assist | 0.0 Goals/90 | 0.54 G+A/90 2022-23 | Serie A: Roma | 399 minutes | 1 Goal | 1 Assist | 0.23 Goals/90 | 0.45 G+A/90 2021-22 | Serie A: Roma | 38 minutes | 1 Goal | 0 Assists | 2.37 Goals/90 | 2.37 G+A/90
Bernardo Oliveira Age: 19.7 Height: 5’7 Summary: Great numbers infront of goal for a player his age and position (on the wing). 2023-24 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 129 minutes | 2 Goals | 2 Assists | 1.4 Goals/90 | 2.79 G+A/90 2022-23 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 0 minutes 2021-22 | A-League: Adelaide Utd| 984 minutes | 2 Goals | 2 Assists | 0.18 Goals/90 | 0.37 G+A/90
Garang Kuol Age: 19.2 Height: 5'9 Summary: Prolific in the A-League from a very young age putting him in the conversation. A much less productive start adapting to European leagues, but playing reguarly in the Eredivisue is great to see. 2023-34 | Eredivisie: Voldendam | 547 minutes | 1 Goal | 1 Assist | 0.17 Goals/90 | 0.33 G+A/90 2022-23 | SPL: Hearts | 203 minutes | 1 Goal | 0 Assists | 0.44 Goals/90 | 0.44 G+A/90 2021-22 | A-League: CCM | 153 minutes | 4 Goals | 1 Assist | 2.35 Goals/90 | 2.94 G+A/90 2020-21 | A-League: CCM | 911 minutes | 7 Goals | 2 Assists | 0.69 Goals/90 | 0.89 G+A/90
Nesteroy Irankunda Age: 17.7 Height: 5'9 Summary: Most hyped youngster currently. Amazing goal scoring rates per 90 at only 16/17 years old in the A-League. Off to a little club named Bayern Munich to continue his development. His level of productivity infront of goal makes him worth mentioning in this conversation. 2023-24 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 234 minutes | 1 Goal | 0 Assists | 0.38 Goals/90 | 0.38 G+A/90 2022-23 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 508 minutes | 5 Goals | 2 Assists | 0.89 Goals/90 | 1.24 G+A/90 2021-22 | A-League: Adelaide Utd | 193 minutes | 3 Goals | 0 Assists | 1.39 Goals/90 | 1.39 G+A/90
3) Hold onto the current older generation options: Hopefully the 2026 World Cup doesn’t come to this, but there’s been no signs of moving on from these guys just yet.
Mitchell Duke Age: 32.8 Height: 6’0 Summary: Currently our best option who should lead us into the Asian Cup. Not much of a goal threat, but great at playing target man, holding up the ball, combination play and bringing others into the game. He’ll be turning 33 during the Asian cup. So if we’re still holding onto him as our best option by the time 2026 World Cup rolls around then we’re in trouble.
Jamie Maclaren Age: 30.4 Height: 5’10 Summary: Brilliant at exploiting defensive mistakes and converting counter attacks. However, agianst a well structured defence who don’t give him space, he just gets outmuscled everytime. Good for qualification, but not what we should be holding onto if our aim is to get into the knockout stages of the 2026 world cup.
Brandon Borello Age: 28.3 Height: 5’10 Summary: Not a natural striker, but shown recently he can do a job there. If no better options come along, he’ll be young enough to be at his best and may get better at the role buy 2026.
Jason Cummings Age: 28.3 Height: 5’10 Summary: Recent Australian convert who’s more of a natrual Striker and will be young enough. One of the most consistent goalscorers last season in the A-League. A shame he's chosen to cash in by playing in a weaker league at the moment.
We had Kewell too who played as a CF for several seasons of his career including his entire time at Galatasaray and Melb Heart, abd several stints of his Socceroos career including the England 2003 match, the Iran 97 game and the entire Asian Cup in 2011. We also had Scotty McDonald too and Sterjovski and Holman who could also play Striker.
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+x+x+x+xpartial update, I think those born 2004 onwards have in new territory that we haven't seen in the a league era. However, none are in the class of aloisi or viduka. Mo Toure's stats are a bit misleading as he has been injured and has started games in ligue 2 this year whereas most a league era strikers are lucky if they start often for a single season abroad, even if they are standouts. I suspect strikers won't improve to the mark viduka level, but more having careers like aziz behich where they are consistent performers in 2nd teir leagues for many years and do a better job than what we have at international level. If we are lucky we might get a late bloomer chris wood style A Goodwin November 2004 8 goals at 1162 minutes
Nabout as of Nov 2012 0 goals at 63 minutes Taggart as of May 2013 3 goals at 1182
T Waddingham April 2005 11 goals at 1775 minutes
Taggart as of june 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
L Jovanovic May 2005 7 goals at 1286 minutes
Taggart as of May 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
M Caputo Aug 2005 3 goals at 766 minutes
Taggart as of March 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
Musa Toure Nov 2005 1 goal from 202 minutes
Taggart as of Jan 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
M Glasson May 2006 0 goals at 173 minutes
R Brownlie Feb 2007 1 goals after 184 minutes I definitely agree that this crop of strikers is much more promising than what we've had in the past. As an Adelaide fan, we will have both Jovanovic and Goodwin competing for a starting spot, so both should get plenty of minutes and will hopefully really kick on. Just need more of these players to become first team regulars in the next season or two which is why I think Musa Toure's impending moce to Europe is far too early. Would love them to both start. Toure, goodwin, jovanovic, waddingham and caputo look like they are all good enough to start for 5-8 seasons in a 2nd teir league and we will have great competition for spots We only play one striker up top so it won't happen unfortunately. And FWIW, I think Luka could play in a big 5 league, same as Mohamed Toure. The latter however, needs to get his body right and go on loan to a club that will play him. love for you to be right. I think he is an above average eredivisie player which is a massive jump from what we have
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+x+x+xpartial update, I think those born 2004 onwards have in new territory that we haven't seen in the a league era. However, none are in the class of aloisi or viduka. Mo Toure's stats are a bit misleading as he has been injured and has started games in ligue 2 this year whereas most a league era strikers are lucky if they start often for a single season abroad, even if they are standouts. I suspect strikers won't improve to the mark viduka level, but more having careers like aziz behich where they are consistent performers in 2nd teir leagues for many years and do a better job than what we have at international level. If we are lucky we might get a late bloomer chris wood style A Goodwin November 2004 8 goals at 1162 minutes
Nabout as of Nov 2012 0 goals at 63 minutes Taggart as of May 2013 3 goals at 1182
T Waddingham April 2005 11 goals at 1775 minutes
Taggart as of june 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
L Jovanovic May 2005 7 goals at 1286 minutes
Taggart as of May 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
M Caputo Aug 2005 3 goals at 766 minutes
Taggart as of March 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
Musa Toure Nov 2005 1 goal from 202 minutes
Taggart as of Jan 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
M Glasson May 2006 0 goals at 173 minutes
R Brownlie Feb 2007 1 goals after 184 minutes I definitely agree that this crop of strikers is much more promising than what we've had in the past. As an Adelaide fan, we will have both Jovanovic and Goodwin competing for a starting spot, so both should get plenty of minutes and will hopefully really kick on. Just need more of these players to become first team regulars in the next season or two which is why I think Musa Toure's impending moce to Europe is far too early. Would love them to both start. Toure, goodwin, jovanovic, waddingham and caputo look like they are all good enough to start for 5-8 seasons in a 2nd teir league and we will have great competition for spots We only play one striker up top so it won't happen unfortunately. And FWIW, I think Luka could play in a big 5 league, same as Mohamed Toure. The latter however, needs to get his body right and go on loan to a club that will play him.
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+x+xpartial update, I think those born 2004 onwards have in new territory that we haven't seen in the a league era. However, none are in the class of aloisi or viduka. Mo Toure's stats are a bit misleading as he has been injured and has started games in ligue 2 this year whereas most a league era strikers are lucky if they start often for a single season abroad, even if they are standouts. I suspect strikers won't improve to the mark viduka level, but more having careers like aziz behich where they are consistent performers in 2nd teir leagues for many years and do a better job than what we have at international level. If we are lucky we might get a late bloomer chris wood style A Goodwin November 2004 8 goals at 1162 minutes
Nabout as of Nov 2012 0 goals at 63 minutes Taggart as of May 2013 3 goals at 1182
T Waddingham April 2005 11 goals at 1775 minutes
Taggart as of june 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
L Jovanovic May 2005 7 goals at 1286 minutes
Taggart as of May 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
M Caputo Aug 2005 3 goals at 766 minutes
Taggart as of March 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
Musa Toure Nov 2005 1 goal from 202 minutes
Taggart as of Jan 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
M Glasson May 2006 0 goals at 173 minutes
R Brownlie Feb 2007 1 goals after 184 minutes I definitely agree that this crop of strikers is much more promising than what we've had in the past. As an Adelaide fan, we will have both Jovanovic and Goodwin competing for a starting spot, so both should get plenty of minutes and will hopefully really kick on. Just need more of these players to become first team regulars in the next season or two which is why I think Musa Toure's impending moce to Europe is far too early. Would love them to both start. Toure, goodwin, jovanovic, waddingham and caputo look like they are all good enough to start for 5-8 seasons in a 2nd teir league and we will have great competition for spots
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+xpartial update, I think those born 2004 onwards have in new territory that we haven't seen in the a league era. However, none are in the class of aloisi or viduka. Mo Toure's stats are a bit misleading as he has been injured and has started games in ligue 2 this year whereas most a league era strikers are lucky if they start often for a single season abroad, even if they are standouts. I suspect strikers won't improve to the mark viduka level, but more having careers like aziz behich where they are consistent performers in 2nd teir leagues for many years and do a better job than what we have at international level. If we are lucky we might get a late bloomer chris wood style A Goodwin November 2004 8 goals at 1162 minutes
Nabout as of Nov 2012 0 goals at 63 minutes Taggart as of May 2013 3 goals at 1182
T Waddingham April 2005 11 goals at 1775 minutes
Taggart as of june 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
L Jovanovic May 2005 7 goals at 1286 minutes
Taggart as of May 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
M Caputo Aug 2005 3 goals at 766 minutes
Taggart as of March 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
Musa Toure Nov 2005 1 goal from 202 minutes
Taggart as of Jan 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
M Glasson May 2006 0 goals at 173 minutes
R Brownlie Feb 2007 1 goals after 184 minutes I definitely agree that this crop of strikers is much more promising than what we've had in the past. As an Adelaide fan, we will have both Jovanovic and Goodwin competing for a starting spot, so both should get plenty of minutes and will hopefully really kick on. Just need more of these players to become first team regulars in the next season or two which is why I think Musa Toure's impending moce to Europe is far too early.
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+xTo look at, taggert seems to trot around doing his hair. Looks like he's more worried about swanning into a bar after the game. Constantly on his heels and a ludicrous heavy touch...but that's just me and what do I know I mean, I think that's harsh but I broadly agree with the vibe. The standards of that generation were so poor that improving out of sight in striker development doesn't gaurantee future big 5 stars, but might take us from players who can manage 1-2 seasons as first choice in a 2nd teir league (championship, swiss, eredivisie, japan, k league etc) to maybe 6-7 seasons. We have a lot of players in this category so we might get lucky and have a chris wood style player who develops late
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+x+xTo look at, taggert seems to trot around doing his hair. Looks like he's more worried about swanning into a bar after the game. Constantly on his heels and a ludicrous heavy touch...but that's just me and what do I know .However this season I watched quite a few PG games and he seemed to be moving across the pitch and dropping back between the lines giving his team mates better passing options. good to know!
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+xTo look at, taggert seems to trot around doing his hair. Looks like he's more worried about swanning into a bar after the game. Constantly on his heels and a ludicrous heavy touch...but that's just me and what do I know Like you I used to feel the same about Taggart.He did not move much and always wanted the ball to his feet without getting into good spaces.However this season I watched quite a few PG games and he seemed to be moving across the pitch and dropping back between the lines giving his team mates better passing options.Maybe he watched Jason Cummings in the previous season who was very good at making space for himself.Anyway all credit to him topping the scoring charts considering Glory's poor season.
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+xpartial update, I think those born 2004 onwards have in new territory that we haven't seen in the a league era. However, none are in the class of aloisi or viduka. Mo Toure's stats are a bit misleading as he has been injured and has started games in ligue 2 this year whereas most a league era strikers are lucky if they start often for a single season abroad, even if they are standouts. I suspect strikers won't improve to the mark viduka level, but more having careers like aziz behich where they are consistent performers in 2nd teir leagues for many years and do a better job than what we have at international level. If we are lucky we might get a late bloomer chris wood style A Goodwin November 2004 8 goals at 1162 minutes
Nabout as of Nov 2012 0 goals at 63 minutes Taggart as of May 2013 3 goals at 1182
T Waddingham April 2005 11 goals at 1775 minutes
Taggart as of june 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
L Jovanovic May 2005 7 goals at 1286 minutes
Taggart as of May 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
M Caputo Aug 2005 3 goals at 766 minutes
Taggart as of March 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
Musa Toure Nov 2005 1 goal from 202 minutes
Taggart as of Jan 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
M Glasson May 2006 0 goals at 173 minutes
R Brownlie Feb 2007 1 goals after 184 minutes Fascinating stats ! Thanks for doing them.
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To look at, taggert seems to trot around doing his hair. Looks like he's more worried about swanning into a bar after the game. Constantly on his heels and a ludicrous heavy touch...but that's just me and what do I know
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partial update, I think those born 2004 onwards have in new territory that we haven't seen in the a league era. However, none are in the class of aloisi or viduka. Mo Toure's stats are a bit misleading as he has been injured and has started games in ligue 2 this year whereas most a league era strikers are lucky if they start often for a single season abroad, even if they are standouts. I suspect strikers won't improve to the mark viduka level, but more having careers like aziz behich where they are consistent performers in 2nd teir leagues for many years and do a better job than what we have at international level. If we are lucky we might get a late bloomer chris wood style A Goodwin November 2004 8 goals at 1162 minutes
Nabout as of Nov 2012 0 goals at 63 minutes Taggart as of May 2013 3 goals at 1182
T Waddingham April 2005 11 goals at 1775 minutes
Taggart as of june 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
L Jovanovic May 2005 7 goals at 1286 minutes
Taggart as of May 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
M Caputo Aug 2005 3 goals at 766 minutes
Taggart as of March 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
Musa Toure Nov 2005 1 goal from 202 minutes
Taggart as of Jan 2012 1 goal at 298 minutes
M Glasson May 2006 0 goals at 173 minutes
R Brownlie Feb 2007 1 goals after 184 minutes
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+x+x+xThe crop is significantly better than what we have produced in the last 10 years while well below the early careers of aloisi and viduka. None of these players are viduka or aloisi level in their early career trajectory but many are competitive with sterjovski, tiatto, aurelio vidmar, scott mcdonald's careers. So hopefully we have a bunch of strikers doing slightly better than juric having say 5-6 good seasons in 2nd tier euro leagues with the occasional having a season or two in a big 5 league. Will post another update at season's end To be fair, outside Aloisi and Duke, we have produced only two other strikers of world class IMO, Frank Farina and Ray Baartz ... whereas keepers we have produced plenty.... lack of strikers arguably coms down to lack of coaching knowledge ... mids a heap arguably lead by Kwell & Cahill.and backs a plenty... Excellent topic, as an aside, I recall being at Football forum back in the mid 80's and the whole emphases was we should move to the 'total football" style... a sorta of shift away from coaching of positions. The post has made me think, and across my entire Football experience, I understand were keepers, backs, mids etc should play and move off the ball, whereas in strikers its always been hang on the shoulder of the last defender.... further the back to goals striker who can hold a ball up front , play others in, is rare in Australia, Jason Cummings could do that but arguably lacked the speed that great strikers need... Out of left field maybe FA should appoint somebody to develop a strikers program to be introduced Australia wide... Your partnership with Bobby Despotovski became legendary - why did it work so well?We just complimented each other. We were very different - Bobby was very technical and came short. I played on the shoulders of defenders - we didn't get in the way of each other. We understood where each other would be running. Bobby was a true number 10. He could hit a ball with both feet, and he could turn on a dime. It was a pleasure to play with him. https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/simon-hill-chats-to-damian-mori-about-his-career-in-the-nsl-and-a-league-and-his-coaching-ambitions/news-story/43a6fbdf493ba8a1a4f0fb94d23be4ff a very good interview done sometime ago and points made by him, wonderful history ! Thanks for posting it up. Talking forwards/strikers, a good coach reads and understands how can he make it work by the type of players he has at his disposal. You only need to watch what Klopp does during games depending who he started up front and if/when things are not gaining reward - he switch's the front 2 or changes the AM and presto he's changed the rhythem of the game and possession.
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+x+x+xThe crop is significantly better than what we have produced in the last 10 years while well below the early careers of aloisi and viduka. None of these players are viduka or aloisi level in their early career trajectory but many are competitive with sterjovski, tiatto, aurelio vidmar, scott mcdonald's careers. So hopefully we have a bunch of strikers doing slightly better than juric having say 5-6 good seasons in 2nd tier euro leagues with the occasional having a season or two in a big 5 league. Will post another update at season's end To be fair, outside Aloisi and Duke, we have produced only two other strikers of world class IMO, Frank Farina and Ray Baartz ... whereas keepers we have produced plenty.... lack of strikers arguably coms down to lack of coaching knowledge ... mids a heap arguably lead by Kwell & Cahill.and backs a plenty... Excellent topic, as an aside, I recall being at Football forum back in the mid 80's and the whole emphases was we should move to the 'total football" style... a sorta of shift away from coaching of positions. The post has made me think, and across my entire Football experience, I understand were keepers, backs, mids etc should play and move off the ball, whereas in strikers its always been hang on the shoulder of the last defender.... further the back to goals striker who can hold a ball up front , play others in, is rare in Australia, Jason Cummings could do that but arguably lacked the speed that great strikers need... Out of left field maybe FA should appoint somebody to develop a strikers program to be introduced Australia wide... Your partnership with Bobby Despotovski became legendary - why did it work so well?We just complimented each other. We were very different - Bobby was very technical and came short. I played on the shoulders of defenders - we didn't get in the way of each other. We understood where each other would be running. Bobby was a true number 10. He could hit a ball with both feet, and he could turn on a dime. It was a pleasure to play with him. https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/simon-hill-chats-to-damian-mori-about-his-career-in-the-nsl-and-a-league-and-his-coaching-ambitions/news-story/43a6fbdf493ba8a1a4f0fb94d23be4ff Thanks.
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+x+xThe crop is significantly better than what we have produced in the last 10 years while well below the early careers of aloisi and viduka. None of these players are viduka or aloisi level in their early career trajectory but many are competitive with sterjovski, tiatto, aurelio vidmar, scott mcdonald's careers. So hopefully we have a bunch of strikers doing slightly better than juric having say 5-6 good seasons in 2nd tier euro leagues with the occasional having a season or two in a big 5 league. Will post another update at season's end To be fair, outside Aloisi and Duke, we have produced only two other strikers of world class IMO, Frank Farina and Ray Baartz ... whereas keepers we have produced plenty.... lack of strikers arguably coms down to lack of coaching knowledge ... mids a heap arguably lead by Kwell & Cahill.and backs a plenty... Excellent topic, as an aside, I recall being at Football forum back in the mid 80's and the whole emphases was we should move to the 'total football" style... a sorta of shift away from coaching of positions. The post has made me think, and across my entire Football experience, I understand were keepers, backs, mids etc should play and move off the ball, whereas in strikers its always been hang on the shoulder of the last defender.... further the back to goals striker who can hold a ball up front , play others in, is rare in Australia, Jason Cummings could do that but arguably lacked the speed that great strikers need... Out of left field maybe FA should appoint somebody to develop a strikers program to be introduced Australia wide... Your partnership with Bobby Despotovski became legendary - why did it work so well?We just complimented each other. We were very different - Bobby was very technical and came short. I played on the shoulders of defenders - we didn't get in the way of each other. We understood where each other would be running. Bobby was a true number 10. He could hit a ball with both feet, and he could turn on a dime. It was a pleasure to play with him. https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/simon-hill-chats-to-damian-mori-about-his-career-in-the-nsl-and-a-league-and-his-coaching-ambitions/news-story/43a6fbdf493ba8a1a4f0fb94d23be4ff
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+xBecause he was never even given one chance, we'll never know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Porta"He is a two-time golden boot winner, having won the award whilst at River Plate and most recently at Nacional in Uruguay's Primera División." Arnie would've been all over this guy if he was playing now!!
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Because he was never even given one chance, we'll never know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Porta"He is a two-time golden boot winner, having won the award whilst at River Plate and most recently at Nacional in Uruguay's Primera División."
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+x+x+x+xThe crop is significantly better than what we have produced in the last 10 years while well below the early careers of aloisi and viduka. None of these players are viduka or aloisi level in their early career trajectory but many are competitive with sterjovski, tiatto, aurelio vidmar, scott mcdonald's careers. So hopefully we have a bunch of strikers doing slightly better than juric having say 5-6 good seasons in 2nd tier euro leagues with the occasional having a season or two in a big 5 league. Will post another update at season's end To be fair, outside Aloisi and Duke, we have produced only two other strikers of world class IMO, Frank Farina and Ray Baartz ... whereas keepers we have produced plenty.... lack of strikers arguably coms down to lack of coaching knowledge ... mids a heap arguably lead by Kwell & Cahill.and backs a plenty... Excellent topic, as an aside, I recall being at Football forum back in the mid 80's and the whole emphases was we should move to the 'total football" style... a sorta of shift away from coaching of positions. The post has made me think, and across my entire Football experience, I understand were keepers, backs, mids etc should play and move off the ball, whereas in strikers its always been hang on the shoulder of the last defender.... further the back to goals striker who can hold a ball up front , play others in, is rare in Australia, Jason Cummings could do that but arguably lacked the speed that great strikers need... Out of left field maybe FA should appoint somebody to develop a strikers program to be introduced Australia wide... I heard that the main skill strikers need and are jidged by is their ability to manage space aroubd defenders. By that criteria all of our strikers are a bit remedial and id love a specialist striker coach be appointed by the fa yes therefore striker coaching gets right down to SAP up.. All my years with my boys from that level on (> YL) has had no training or even shooting practice or attacking crossed balls. All too late introducing this for NT level. I have a few tremendous shooting drills and small sided games focusing on shooting - that most young, and even old, players love. * One is a standard KNVB 5v 5 with big goals in a grid about 30 metres by 30. As soon as a goal is scored, the keeper restarts with a goal kick. Players get so many chances to shoot and score! *I had another good Chelsea Academy where players dribbled around cones to the left, central and right stations near the edge of the pen box, then shoot. Every time they shot they would have to retrieve the ball and run, changing to fast/slow, fast/slow, with the ball bak to the next central, left or right shooting station, juggling or practising dribbling skills if they had to wait in a queue. The players got plenty of work too, and it was a hard fitness exercise. *Another was an Ajax drill where the player ran with the ball down three different shooting stations - left, central , right - one station at a time, with a couple of players standing next to a cone and wall passing for one/twos on the way to shooting. * Another was a crossing and scoring exercise, which many would have seen here before on the training ground. Thanks to a R Brown and Dirk van Adidas for posting the Chelsea Academy exercises in the Performance section. I passed these on to heaps of other coaches. There is nothing players like more on the training ground than scoring goals!
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+x+x+xThe crop is significantly better than what we have produced in the last 10 years while well below the early careers of aloisi and viduka. None of these players are viduka or aloisi level in their early career trajectory but many are competitive with sterjovski, tiatto, aurelio vidmar, scott mcdonald's careers. So hopefully we have a bunch of strikers doing slightly better than juric having say 5-6 good seasons in 2nd tier euro leagues with the occasional having a season or two in a big 5 league. Will post another update at season's end To be fair, outside Aloisi and Duke, we have produced only two other strikers of world class IMO, Frank Farina and Ray Baartz ... whereas keepers we have produced plenty.... lack of strikers arguably coms down to lack of coaching knowledge ... mids a heap arguably lead by Kwell & Cahill.and backs a plenty... Excellent topic, as an aside, I recall being at Football forum back in the mid 80's and the whole emphases was we should move to the 'total football" style... a sorta of shift away from coaching of positions. The post has made me think, and across my entire Football experience, I understand were keepers, backs, mids etc should play and move off the ball, whereas in strikers its always been hang on the shoulder of the last defender.... further the back to goals striker who can hold a ball up front , play others in, is rare in Australia, Jason Cummings could do that but arguably lacked the speed that great strikers need... Out of left field maybe FA should appoint somebody to develop a strikers program to be introduced Australia wide... I heard that the main skill strikers need and are jidged by is their ability to manage space aroubd defenders. By that criteria all of our strikers are a bit remedial and id love a specialist striker coach be appointed by the fa yes therefore striker coaching gets right down to SAP up.. All my years with my boys from that level on (> YL) has had no training or even shooting practice or attacking crossed balls. All too late introducing this for NT level. I watched in disgust some games a very technical German coach who was good but didn't like taking advantage of a free kick in range but preferred the kids/to teens to carry on "play" as he used to scream out to reset retain possesion. One moment you could have had a great chance to score next moment you've passed the ball back to halfway, used to shake my head for he had a couple of very capable dead ball takers/strikers. In my time in Reps back in the day we always spent some time at the end of training doing the above, it was kind of like the last drill after a half pitch game and fun for all actually. Good extra prac for the keeper might I add.
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+x+x+xThe crop is significantly better than what we have produced in the last 10 years while well below the early careers of aloisi and viduka. None of these players are viduka or aloisi level in their early career trajectory but many are competitive with sterjovski, tiatto, aurelio vidmar, scott mcdonald's careers. So hopefully we have a bunch of strikers doing slightly better than juric having say 5-6 good seasons in 2nd tier euro leagues with the occasional having a season or two in a big 5 league. Will post another update at season's end To be fair, outside Aloisi and Duke, we have produced only two other strikers of world class IMO, Frank Farina and Ray Baartz ... whereas keepers we have produced plenty.... lack of strikers arguably coms down to lack of coaching knowledge ... mids a heap arguably lead by Kwell & Cahill.and backs a plenty... Excellent topic, as an aside, I recall being at Football forum back in the mid 80's and the whole emphases was we should move to the 'total football" style... a sorta of shift away from coaching of positions. The post has made me think, and across my entire Football experience, I understand were keepers, backs, mids etc should play and move off the ball, whereas in strikers its always been hang on the shoulder of the last defender.... further the back to goals striker who can hold a ball up front , play others in, is rare in Australia, Jason Cummings could do that but arguably lacked the speed that great strikers need... Out of left field maybe FA should appoint somebody to develop a strikers program to be introduced Australia wide... id love a specialist striker coach be appointed by the fa Strangely enough in about 2006, and the Hiddink/Baan/Pim/Berger era, the greatest concerns about lack of quality Aus players were most positions on the pitch - outside striking and keeping. Whilst quality players that Football Aus Tech Dept desperately wanted to develop in other positions, which has probably happened in recent times, we had a lot more decent strikers around 2005-8. It makes sense to have a specialist 'striking school'. JMac said he learned heaps about striking in a short period of time from John Aloisi coaching him at Roar.
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+xI wanted to also look at touches per 90 since for the national team it tends to matter how involved the player is when not scoring goals. When maclaren doesn't score it is like playing with 10 men Jamie Mclaren:19.8 Duke 47.1 (last a league season) Taggart: 29.7 Juric: 32.3 (20/21 season) Fascinating stats! I'm not sure how often Cahill touched the ball outside his shots at goal - where I think he averaged 5-6 per game? This is high compared to most of our other number 9s. Duke has a phenomenal workrate and overall game involvement - outside scoring goals.
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+xOne player who I’ve noticed who seems to be flying under the radar on this forum is Luka Jovanovic. I can’t recall a striker coming through that is so technically good but also so lethal in front of goal. For me, he is the most promising striker playing in Australia right now with Archie Goodwin in second.
Archie has had a lot of injuries and it was mentioned in commentary during their game that the Jets will really manage his minutes which is good. The last thing we went is him being thrown in every week when his body isn’t up to it. Haven't seen these guys yet. Look forward to it.
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+x+xThe crop is significantly better than what we have produced in the last 10 years while well below the early careers of aloisi and viduka. None of these players are viduka or aloisi level in their early career trajectory but many are competitive with sterjovski, tiatto, aurelio vidmar, scott mcdonald's careers. So hopefully we have a bunch of strikers doing slightly better than juric having say 5-6 good seasons in 2nd tier euro leagues with the occasional having a season or two in a big 5 league. Will post another update at season's end To be fair, outside Aloisi and Duke, we have produced only two other strikers of world class IMO, Frank Farina and Ray Baartz ... whereas keepers we have produced plenty.... lack of strikers arguably coms down to lack of coaching knowledge ... mids a heap arguably lead by Kwell & Cahill.and backs a plenty... Excellent topic, as an aside, I recall being at Football forum back in the mid 80's and the whole emphases was we should move to the 'total football" style... a sorta of shift away from coaching of positions. The post has made me think, and across my entire Football experience, I understand were keepers, backs, mids etc should play and move off the ball, whereas in strikers its always been hang on the shoulder of the last defender.... further the back to goals striker who can hold a ball up front , play others in, is rare in Australia, Jason Cummings could do that but arguably lacked the speed that great strikers need... Out of left field maybe FA should appoint somebody to develop a strikers program to be introduced Australia wide... I heard that the main skill strikers need and are jidged by is their ability to manage space aroubd defenders. By that criteria all of our strikers are a bit remedial and id love a specialist striker coach be appointed by the fa
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Had high hopes for Deni Juric a few years ago, when he was in form & "deciding his international future". What a complete fuck up by him - he was selected for a few squads back then, but didn't commit - now he's completely vanished
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+x+xDidn't René Meulensteen develop a program that took care of Rashford's development at a young age? This should've been happening as a side role while at the Roos and he should be approached about this. When in form he's certainly a great player... but very rarely does he track back and do the hard work/intelligent pressing. etc... Not the best example to learn from for a modern day forward. Definitely his demeanour etc is something we wouldn't want. I would like to think there's a lot to do with awareness, movement and finishing from Rene's coaching. https://trainingground.guru/articles/meulensteen-how-to-develop-a-young-gem-like-rashford
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