Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians.
There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. 
I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. 

I agree with you Robbos, but MU got relegated in the 70’s. Apparently, they are quite big.Also, Man City were playing in Division 3 not that long ago. Never say never, young man.

Would love to see that project

southo most here wouldn’t have a clue of that history…
Mind you
Leicester Leeds Southampton say hello from the championship - may not be the big big clubs but nonetheless good clubs with great history, facilities academies and support.
IF we had P/R in recent times the well bank rolled and previously better supported than sfc MV would have been relegated 3 seasons in a row if I recall right but mediocrity is rewarded unlike the proper comp those in the championship striving to climb back UP in merit.
We have a Mickey Mouse comp.

if it's anyone i believe it could be Sydney United.

One of the criteria for the NSD is a grass pitch (correct me if i am wrong) and after spending over $1mill recently on a synthetic pitch, i cant see them ripping it up and starting again. 

Those days are gone Sutho, I'm a Derby County fan & remember how they came up from the 2nd division & won the premier division 2 years later.
I remember Notts Forest, funnily under the same manager doing the same in the 80s & went further & won the European cup twice.

These days the teams come up & struggle & some go back down or they manage to stay up for awhile.
While the top 6 stays the same until a middle eastern mogul buys a club.

LFC, the days of Derby ever competing with Liverpool like we did in the 70s & lesser extent the 80s are long gone, unless we get a middle eastern sugar daddy.
Man City will win it's 7 PL in 8 years, so exciting.

Unlike what Mono thinks (his agenda blinds him), I'm all for & even excited about the NST & hope that one day they can work with the A-League to have a proper pro/reg, Unlike Mono who wants to keep the division in this country going with NST against the A-League.

I'm unsure when SFC were ever in the relegation zone.

naturally times change ofcourse, even the good ol days there has always been a steady Top pecking order without ogarlands of the modern times but there still were the have's and have nots just as in everything.
Its always hard getting to the top and more so hanging in there, comes down to astute foresight, buying, managers etc as you well know.
Brighton/Wolves/Bournemouth/Fulham/Brentford say hello and wouldn't have it any other way - smart business.
Derby have been a financial cluster fuck for yonks - as many others, if you can't run your club smart your in the poop ogarlords or not.
https://www.espn.com.au/football/story/_/id/38510621/derby-dismal-record-looms-premier-league-bottom-three
Even in recent times look at the kind of parachute payments promoted Clubs gain even going back down again.
Palace hang in their from season to season, Toffees as well.

I saw the other month Santos got relegated for their very first time, a rarity.
Bayer won the Bundas title for the first time in 120yrs or something.

I hear you money has changed the game alot but its still the same struggle of the have's and have not's.

robbos my previous reply was to yours and southo fyi.

I mentioned in the other post of the/your Rams plight, just my pov and as you know I have a very close team mate/golf mate who is a Derby local and chat with him near on every week.
Mate, you'll recall how many titles did LFC win through the golden era, spending more $$'s than others long before EPL, no diff to United later times and now City, sure its boring to some but I see it as they have the perfect mix/great management and more so players mentality having the utter hunger to keep winning, I can't deny a squad no matter what is thrown to them come out on top amassing up to 60games nowadays.

My comment re relagation in the AL was of MV not SFC if I understand you.

Not seen that written anywhere.

Not seen any stadium criteria anywhere, just rumours.

I'm sure there will be some, but judging by the way the FA seem to be quietly 'adjusting' some of the initial entry requirements, they'll probably be set by what the 8,10,12 currently have.

Despite what the wiki article claims I think you may be a little surprised if you do :P

So its ME that wants to keep the Aleague and the NST divided is it mate? HAHAHAHAAH pull the other one, its plays "jingle bells" lol... You can hope until the end of time, the APL will NEVER allow its clubs to even have the remotest 1 in a thousand chance of being relegated out of the Aleague ... if they do these so called "clubs" will die and they know it .... poooof their goes their investment.... Or do yous till think tye all invested in franchises because they like the game of football?

I dont think United would run the risk of being "left out" of this... too much pride as a club and too much to lose if they dont get in 
on the ground floor" 

Really suprised by Knights take on this to be honest.... I get they may have financial troubles but surely I & D could stop funding every single Croatian organisation on the planet for a few years and focus on this once proud club again?

too much competition in melbourne within the croatian clubs, they might seem like they get along but there is issues there. 

I&D only pumps in big money to his club, Dandy City.  The others get chump change in comparison. 

APIA Lambert Park is syn as well - I agree haven't seen any mention pitchs have to be played on grass.

Didn't they mention in their proposal they'd be using Leichhardt Oval?

can't recall B.

The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside).
No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched?

The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed?

Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion)  Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever...  The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10  bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are  football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... 

I didnt know that.... thanks

Yep

From the lips of Tony Ranciti on the FA website

1:40 onwards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtATF-gMGx4

You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England.

I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me.
I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me.
I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history.

As you guys gather I'm not into going back and forth - but I can only pass on my own observations, experience and outlook.

In bold can't deny that after 20yrs academies are set up and other building blocks slowly slowly up rising thank christ for that but ?
Naturally there will always be up and coming promising young players, were a sporting nation as they say no matter the system for you sure would bloody well hope we see something growing.
Great is a bit OTT until proven towards their peak and I'm still waiting for those late model HK/Dukes etc as you have mentioned many times in the past robbos that I agree.
There are crickets in that department to this day but yer there's the ongoing watch this space how many times.
There is plenty academy players but yer, com si com sa we're still waiting like people do for the next coming of Christ for those inclined.

So whilst all this background APL work carries on into the future where is/will the ironed supporter come from I ask ahead ?
Next new dawners ? next new migrant families ?
Seriously where and when will most of the APL clubs have a sustainable model comp and feel like a true traditional Club most football supporters honestly relate to ? that to this day can't buy most of the thousands and thousands actively engaged attending games as a player or spectator going to their games Saturday/Sunday who are football people.
Its frustrating to say the least, I'd sooner were all together as we agree but the resistance is both sides and one day maybe way too late the hand will be forced once again and probably that far down the rabbit hole football will always be a disjointed bitter entangled sport never to get its act together as a true football model and togetherness.
It sure won't with what we currently have.

I totally agree with you in regards to the APL & their incompetence, their inability to engage football people is deplorable.
I know I started with 30-40 football fans following the A-League & now down to a handful.
Can we agree on that.

However, it's not all doom & gloom, as I pointed out in my post. I was also there on Sat night & the atmosphere was as good as any game I have seen in Europe.
I hope the NST can help create a pro/reg of pyramid of football in this country. The A-League working with the NST. However, you read these 
But if you want to go back to Greek, Italian, Croatian, Serbian clubs in Australia, well not sure that will work. 
Well that worked well, I visited the site of the old Apia Football clubhouse, now beautiful high level town houses, some Italians made some great investments there.

Yes I do.

So why dont they want another 100 professional football clubs in Australia with the ability to have access to the perceived top tier of the sport and focus ONLY on protecting their financial investment? Simple question Robbo.... 

If the APL (who WAS an entertainment/content company and now is a player for sale product development company) wast what is best for football in Australia, why are they so hell bent on protecting the links to the "top tier"??? Why keep failing geographical "stores" alive at all costs yet refuse entry to successful clubs?

Dont have to "go back" to these clubs Robbo, they have been around for decades and will be around for decades more... they are CLUBS first and foremost regardless of your narrow mindedness not being able to see past their history and ethnicity of their founders... Thats a you problem not a football problem. 

Will your passion follow Syndey FC if they get relegated though? THATS the question. If you want so much for a full pyramid system in Australia then you have to accept the possibility (even if the odds of it happening are a thousand to one) that your clubs will be relegated at some staqe.. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue ..... after 20 years it should? Mine does :)

I don't think its their inability engaging with the countless football supporters that plain and simple are not interested in the comp.
The derbies are the only ones getting the vibe but as an outing for most, for where are the balance of them rest of the games/competition.
IF afler's and nrlers keep turning up to their home games why can't the AL Club supporters after all the years of bubble and squeak/$$/coverage  ? its not about the top management its the product not pulling in and devoted supporters.
Whilst you were at the derby I was at my sons place who entertained us and his inlaws and fam my daughter inlaws BDay, we had the derby on the vision but talking away at the dinner table, the bro inlaws/cousins all regular footballers and ages don't go to AL games but couldn't wait for Spurs/Toons all sat and watched whereas no matter the derby but passing interest, how many of us do the same.
Thats the AL dilemma - but the neutrals turning up just for the derby.
What other scenarios are there.

robbos no one is asking for the ol days, we are asking for new and better structured days that entails what we have playing semi pro last 20yrs, thats our foundations plain and simple and so very very different pre AL.
Its time to move on from the oild train of thought and as mentioned bring on the NST for thats the next long awaited sugar hit for us following the game 24/7 but not AL.
Its a plus IF the NST gets some fair crowds for the game overall compared what they have had last 20yrs - thats a win win.

Looks like canberra delayed a year with just the womens team funded by the consortium

No, not the consortium - just extra funding from the ACT Government (additional 80% - which should be.an extra $200k by my maths/figures)

If it was the consortium, they would have just announced that there's a consortium actually behind it and when they're coming. 
But, as usual, no one here is willing to invest, and no one wishes to come to Canberra to invest.... all the focus is on saving Newcastle, etc