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This tournament is embarassing. The coach should be fired immediately and never get near the national team again.
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We really need to stop letting the Vidmar brothers coach the Olyroos!
2008 - Qualified with Graham Arnold as the coach
2012 - Did not qualify with Aurelio Vidmar as the coach
2016 - Did not qualify with Aurelio Vidmar as the coach
2020 - Qualified with Graham Arnold as the coach
2024 - Very unlikely to qualify, with Tony Vidmar as the coach
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+x+x+x+xIf The Olympics are so great and important than the better players should have spoken to their clubs years ago to try and come to and arrangement. We got zero of that cohort. Sure, the clubs could block it on a whim but better liaising and consideration might have gotten some of them. Olympic football is seen as a nuisance by clubs. I remember Ferguson was livid about his players being asked for it. A lot of the players are injured. Circati is barely in the Australian system, only joined last year and Irankunda is mutual agreement which was stupid. Volpato has never played for Australia only would possibly for the Olympics. Robertson Nieuwenhof Tilio Bos are all injured. Triantis and yazbek not available too brook injured Triantis recently moved clubs so can hardly get years of admission in advance. If he were still at Sunderland than yes he probably would be here. Yazbek doesn't make much of a difference in this team imo. Yazbek literally set up Iredale to score in a WC qualifier!!
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We missed a lot of second balls, we had poor attention to detail in giving away silly fouls, not marking up, not having someone prepped for a penalty, not pressing the keeper the moment he had it, being rattled by timewasting (and fouling to allow it), not having a clear plan for set piecez
In friendlies we looked great. But teams arent profesionnaly fouling in friendlies, their press is slightly weaker (with a couple of exceptions), there isnt the pressure to make your chances or go home, most importantly havent polished set pieces. Set pieces are vital, every goal in our group so far has been a set piece. You need to prepare with ruthless attention to detail. Arnold got a weaker team to qualify four years ago. But arnold has domestic experience and has won domestic titles. He knkws how to deal with player nerves, he knows about the underhanded parts of the game u face and the attention to detail.
Im sure vidmar learnt a lot, but im sorry the olyroos coach should not be a training coach position. It should be a position a coach graduates to from domestic success. Because unless the salary cap gets lifted, we will not get a better squad than this (irankundas non selection aside). This is a squad that could win the a league, any player better than this is already in europe. We have to decide if we are ok with consistently missing out on the second biggest tournament or if we want to invest in a coach with experience and success
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+x+x+xMo Toure has been the best player but has been a bit selfish but is a threat which is all you can ask. We have no threats on the wings. Segecic and Velupillay aren't creating. The midfield are losing every duel and the defence is rushing. When Tourre got in behind on the left and cut back to himself then shot there looked to be two or three teammates totally free of defenders and the keeper. If he had not been selfish it was a clear goal to put the pass through. When Indonesia get near the goal they are looking for a pass or a shot. Team work for goals seems beyond us. Toure is a selfish player for sure but he is also our only threat, can just hope he passes next time because if we take him off we have nothing going forward. Aside from his general attacking ability and threat he was fantastic at receiving the ball with his back to goal and a defender sharing his boots. His ability to hold the player off and control the incoming pass, then run on with it was excellent and created so much opportunity. I always have some reservations when I watch him play (his movement can seem a bit heavy and slow to wind up and his decision making suspect in proximity to goal), but that does not take away from what he brings to the side. I think a lot of our good young players show great skills and abilities when they are in their regular teams with composed heads around them. When they are all thrown together, and never in the same side twice in a row, they become ineffective and disjointed and lack the composure they have in domestic leagues under as much pressure. So many times tonight individual players thought it necessary to take on two and three defenders in a flurry of activity when more simple team passing would have given us the same progression but with control. Too hectic and denying the players the time and space they are capable of playing in and should be playing in.
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+xThis tournament is embarassing. The coach should be fired immediately and never get near the national team again. Agree How does vidmar get the job with zero managerial experience. We need coaches with experience not ones learning on the job
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The terrible pen by Mo Toure perfectively describes the overall performance from the Olyroos, hopeless for a team that has impressed in the lead up with their results and overall performances they have been very disappointing at this tournament and come out with 1 game to go with 1 point and no goals scored.
Not sure what it is and how it has lead to this, either way its not good enough and just gives a bad reputation to the players especially when most are a-league regulars whom are have shown they are quite talented, does it paint a true picture of the quality of the a-league and if its strong enough preparing the players for international competition?
We know the lack of pro-rel and short season doesnt help but once again making the most of our talent has to be the talking point but we know this will always be about the lack of cattle when the coaching and preparation never gets questioned.
I also think this teams seems mentally weak and can only perform when the pressure is not on or when no one expects it so what kind of environment is set at these camps?
Overall we have to stop this silly obsession that these teams have to be coached by former Socceroos, just pick the best coaches that are available and it doesnt mean it has to be local, Indonesia's coach is South Korea so have better standards if we have to achieve results because Asian football doesnt mess around...
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The next game between Jordan and Qatar, we can still qualify regardless of the outcome but the best outcome is Jordan winning. In the end, it's going to come down to the final match-day.
If Jordan win against Qatar:
Australia needs to beat Qatar
Jordan need to beat Indonesia
Final result:
Jordan: 7 Points
Australia: 4 Points
Indonesia: 3 Points
Qatar: 3 Points
If Qatar win against Jordan:
Australia needs to beat Qatar by multiple goals for goal difference
Jordan need to beat Indonesia
Qatar: 6 points
Australia: 4 points
Jordan: 4 points
Indonesia: 3 points
If Jordan and Qatar draw:
Australia needs to beat Qatar by multiple goals
Jordan and Indonesia need to draw or either of them can win and it goes to goal difference for 2nd place.
Qatar: 4 points
Australia: 4 points
Indonesia: 4 points
Jordan: 3 points
If Jordan Win against Qatar:
Australia beat Qatar by multiple goals
Jordan beat Indonesia.
The best outcome is Jordan wins both games and we come second. Regardless of the result of Jordan/Qatar we need to win against Qatar and Indonesia CAN'T win. If Indonesia then they're through regardless. So we are basically betting on who loses out of Jordan and Qatar.
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Decision not to take Irakunda absolutely ridiculous. Would have given the whole squad a lot of confidence.
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+x+x+x+xMo Toure has been the best player but has been a bit selfish but is a threat which is all you can ask. We have no threats on the wings. Segecic and Velupillay aren't creating. The midfield are losing every duel and the defence is rushing. When Tourre got in behind on the left and cut back to himself then shot there looked to be two or three teammates totally free of defenders and the keeper. If he had not been selfish it was a clear goal to put the pass through. When Indonesia get near the goal they are looking for a pass or a shot. Team work for goals seems beyond us. Toure is a selfish player for sure but he is also our only threat, can just hope he passes next time because if we take him off we have nothing going forward. Aside from his general attacking ability and threat he was fantastic at receiving the ball with his back to goal and a defender sharing his boots. His ability to hold the player off and control the incoming pass, then run on with it was excellent and created so much opportunity. I always have some reservations when I watch him play (his movement can seem a bit heavy and slow to wind up and his decision making suspect in proximity to goal), but that does not take away from what he brings to the side. I think a lot of our good young players show great skills and abilities when they are in their regular teams with composed heads around them. When they are all thrown together, and never in the same side twice in a row, they become ineffective and disjointed and lack the composure they have in domestic leagues under as much pressure. So many times tonight individual players thought it necessary to take on two and three defenders in a flurry of activity when more simple team passing would have given us the same progression but with control. Too hectic and denying the players the time and space they are capable of playing in and should be playing in. Toure was the best player, no idea why he was taken off for Alou. Toure was our only threat even when Garang come on.
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+x+xBringing on Brook and Valadon is such a random change. I just don't get it. Milanovic and Garang are actual players that can make something happen. Like i said Brook missed an open net basically. Hmm not really.. ball got fired into him very quickly and took a deflection. Would have been a very smart finish to put that away
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+x+x+x+x+xIf The Olympics are so great and important than the better players should have spoken to their clubs years ago to try and come to and arrangement. We got zero of that cohort. Sure, the clubs could block it on a whim but better liaising and consideration might have gotten some of them. Olympic football is seen as a nuisance by clubs. I remember Ferguson was livid about his players being asked for it. A lot of the players are injured. Circati is barely in the Australian system, only joined last year and Irankunda is mutual agreement which was stupid. Volpato has never played for Australia only would possibly for the Olympics. Robertson Nieuwenhof Tilio Bos are all injured. Triantis and yazbek not available too brook injured Triantis recently moved clubs so can hardly get years of admission in advance. If he were still at Sunderland than yes he probably would be here. Yazbek doesn't make much of a difference in this team imo. Yazbek literally set up Iredale to score in a WC qualifier!! Yeah he did but he just isn't that much better than the options we have, he isn't going to make us world beaters but some of the other missing midfielders would significantly improve us.
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+xThe terrible pen by Mo Toure perfectively describes the overall performance from the Olyroos, hopeless for a team that has impressed in the lead up with their results and overall performances they have been very disappointing at this tournament and come out with 1 game to go with 1 point and no goals scored. Not sure what it is and how it has lead to this, either way its not good enough and just gives a bad reputation to the players especially when most are a-league regulars whom are have shown they are quite talented, does it paint a true picture of the quality of the a-league and if its strong enough preparing the players for international competition? We know the lack of pro-rel and short season doesnt help but once again making the most of our talent has to be the talking point but we know this will always be about the lack of cattle when the coaching and preparation never gets questioned. I also think this teams seems mentally weak and can only perform when the pressure is not on or when no one expects it so what kind of environment is set at these camps? Overall we have to stop this silly obsession that these teams have to be coached by former Socceroos, just pick the best coaches that are available and it doesnt mean it has to be local, Indonesia's coach is South Korea so have better standards if we have to achieve results because Asian football doesnt mess around... I agree, I actually thinking having an international European coach would take this team to the next level.
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+xThe next game between Jordan and Qatar, we can still qualify regardless of the outcome but the best outcome is Jordan winning. In the end, it's going to come down to the final match-day. If Jordan win against Qatar:Australia needs to beat Qatar Jordan need to beat Indonesia Final result: Jordan: 9 Points Australia: 4 Points Indonesia: 3 Points Qatar: 3 Points If Qatar win against Jordan:
Australia needs to beat Qatar by multiple goals for goal difference Jordan need to beat Indonesia Qatar: 6 points Australia: 4 points Jordan: 4 points Indonesia: 3 points If Jordan and Qatar draw:
Australia needs to beat Qatar by multiple goals Jordan and Indonesia need to draw Qatar: 6 points Australia: 4 points Jordan: 4 points Indonesia: 4 points The best outcome is Jordan wins both games and we come second. Regardless of the result of Jordan/Qatar we need to win against Qatar and Indonesia CAN'T win. If Indonesia then they're through regardless. So we are basically betting on who loses out of Jordan and Qatar. Of course both final match-day games will be played simultaneously which will add to the nervousness and drama.
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I think Indonesia caused more fouls and 'injuries' to their own players than I have seen in any game. The keeper coming out near the end with a leap and no contact from anyone gets a free kick when he rolls around in agony. A defender in the box goes down from contact on his shoulder by one of his own team and the game has to stop. It wasn't our players fouling - it was the Indonesian players simply dropping and writhing in agony and cramp on any contact or on no contact. You could see the ref was getting frustrated with the acting but that is not good enough. Frustrated and pulling a card for simulation/exaggeration or time wasting would go a long way. I find these opponents basically making the game unwatchable.
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+xThis reminds me of the socceroos in the 90s looked really promising in friendlies and min tournaments but then sooo naive it clutch matches In the end can only blame ourselves if u miss a pen and then leave a man unmarked off a corner Just not the heart and attention to detail u need at international football Its ruthless and we need a better coach to instill that culture Well said, this team seems mentality weak which is very disappointing.
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+x+xThe terrible pen by Mo Toure perfectively describes the overall performance from the Olyroos, hopeless for a team that has impressed in the lead up with their results and overall performances they have been very disappointing at this tournament and come out with 1 game to go with 1 point and no goals scored. Not sure what it is and how it has lead to this, either way its not good enough and just gives a bad reputation to the players especially when most are a-league regulars whom are have shown they are quite talented, does it paint a true picture of the quality of the a-league and if its strong enough preparing the players for international competition? We know the lack of pro-rel and short season doesnt help but once again making the most of our talent has to be the talking point but we know this will always be about the lack of cattle when the coaching and preparation never gets questioned. I also think this teams seems mentally weak and can only perform when the pressure is not on or when no one expects it so what kind of environment is set at these camps? Overall we have to stop this silly obsession that these teams have to be coached by former Socceroos, just pick the best coaches that are available and it doesnt mean it has to be local, Indonesia's coach is South Korea so have better standards if we have to achieve results because Asian football doesnt mess around... I agree, I actually thinking having an international European coach would take this team to the next level. They will raise standards and will not take BS, even a talented local coach could do a better job too.
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+x+xThe terrible pen by Mo Toure perfectively describes the overall performance from the Olyroos, hopeless for a team that has impressed in the lead up with their results and overall performances they have been very disappointing at this tournament and come out with 1 game to go with 1 point and no goals scored. Not sure what it is and how it has lead to this, either way its not good enough and just gives a bad reputation to the players especially when most are a-league regulars whom are have shown they are quite talented, does it paint a true picture of the quality of the a-league and if its strong enough preparing the players for international competition? We know the lack of pro-rel and short season doesnt help but once again making the most of our talent has to be the talking point but we know this will always be about the lack of cattle when the coaching and preparation never gets questioned. I also think this teams seems mentally weak and can only perform when the pressure is not on or when no one expects it so what kind of environment is set at these camps? Overall we have to stop this silly obsession that these teams have to be coached by former Socceroos, just pick the best coaches that are available and it doesnt mean it has to be local, Indonesia's coach is South Korea so have better standards if we have to achieve results because Asian football doesnt mess around... I agree, I actually thinking having an international European coach would take this team to the next level. even that english coach that took us to 4th last tournament at least had domestic experience asian champions league experience needs to be our minimum standard for selecting a coach, not a learn on the fly job for the boys
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Why isn't Tilio playing??
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+xWhy isn't Tilio playing?? Everyone is injured man. We have really been drawn the short straw in multiple ways this tournament and the preparation heading into this tournament. Also, a lot of self-sabotage.
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+x+x+xThe terrible pen by Mo Toure perfectively describes the overall performance from the Olyroos, hopeless for a team that has impressed in the lead up with their results and overall performances they have been very disappointing at this tournament and come out with 1 game to go with 1 point and no goals scored. Not sure what it is and how it has lead to this, either way its not good enough and just gives a bad reputation to the players especially when most are a-league regulars whom are have shown they are quite talented, does it paint a true picture of the quality of the a-league and if its strong enough preparing the players for international competition? We know the lack of pro-rel and short season doesnt help but once again making the most of our talent has to be the talking point but we know this will always be about the lack of cattle when the coaching and preparation never gets questioned. I also think this teams seems mentally weak and can only perform when the pressure is not on or when no one expects it so what kind of environment is set at these camps? Overall we have to stop this silly obsession that these teams have to be coached by former Socceroos, just pick the best coaches that are available and it doesnt mean it has to be local, Indonesia's coach is South Korea so have better standards if we have to achieve results because Asian football doesnt mess around... I agree, I actually thinking having an international European coach would take this team to the next level. They will raise standards and will not take BS, even a talented local coach could do a better job too. Arnold - 2nd best coach in australia took a much weaker team to 3rd Morgan - coach with domestic football experience took a slightly weaker team to 4th Vidmar - zero domestic experience and our players look rattled, poor attention to detail, poor composure. Look we don't need a world beater, just get an a league coach that consistently finished top 4 in the a league
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+x+x+xThe terrible pen by Mo Toure perfectively describes the overall performance from the Olyroos, hopeless for a team that has impressed in the lead up with their results and overall performances they have been very disappointing at this tournament and come out with 1 game to go with 1 point and no goals scored. Not sure what it is and how it has lead to this, either way its not good enough and just gives a bad reputation to the players especially when most are a-league regulars whom are have shown they are quite talented, does it paint a true picture of the quality of the a-league and if its strong enough preparing the players for international competition? We know the lack of pro-rel and short season doesnt help but once again making the most of our talent has to be the talking point but we know this will always be about the lack of cattle when the coaching and preparation never gets questioned. I also think this teams seems mentally weak and can only perform when the pressure is not on or when no one expects it so what kind of environment is set at these camps? Overall we have to stop this silly obsession that these teams have to be coached by former Socceroos, just pick the best coaches that are available and it doesnt mean it has to be local, Indonesia's coach is South Korea so have better standards if we have to achieve results because Asian football doesnt mess around... I agree, I actually thinking having an international European coach would take this team to the next level. even that english coach that took us to 4th last tournament at least had domestic experience asian champions league experience needs to be our minimum standard for selecting a coach, not a learn on the fly job for the boys Trevor Morgan is Aussie.
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Do we need more of a 'best selection available' core to our underage teams? Stop giving everyone a run and start developing the cohesion you get from having the same players around you consistently. I am all for developing promising younger players, but giving everyone a run at the expense of a core group able to play as a team is a heavy price. I would imagine rotation of one or two players from game to game would produce much better games than swapping out half the team or more. Coach is going to cop a hiding whoever he chooses (should have selected ... should have played ....) so he might as well pick his basic best team and run with it.
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+x+x+x+xThe terrible pen by Mo Toure perfectively describes the overall performance from the Olyroos, hopeless for a team that has impressed in the lead up with their results and overall performances they have been very disappointing at this tournament and come out with 1 game to go with 1 point and no goals scored. Not sure what it is and how it has lead to this, either way its not good enough and just gives a bad reputation to the players especially when most are a-league regulars whom are have shown they are quite talented, does it paint a true picture of the quality of the a-league and if its strong enough preparing the players for international competition? We know the lack of pro-rel and short season doesnt help but once again making the most of our talent has to be the talking point but we know this will always be about the lack of cattle when the coaching and preparation never gets questioned. I also think this teams seems mentally weak and can only perform when the pressure is not on or when no one expects it so what kind of environment is set at these camps? Overall we have to stop this silly obsession that these teams have to be coached by former Socceroos, just pick the best coaches that are available and it doesnt mean it has to be local, Indonesia's coach is South Korea so have better standards if we have to achieve results because Asian football doesnt mess around... I agree, I actually thinking having an international European coach would take this team to the next level. They will raise standards and will not take BS, even a talented local coach could do a better job too. Arnold - 2nd best coach in australia took a much weaker team to 3rd Morgan - coach with domestic football experience took a slightly weaker team to 4th Vidmar - zero domestic experience and our players look rattled, poor attention to detail, poor composure. Look we don't need a world beater, just get an a league coach that consistently finished top 4 in the a league The lack of coaching stocks is a big problem more so than the talent issue. I remember when Gombau coached the u23s for a little bit.
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+x+xWhy isn't Tilio playing?? Everyone is injured man. We have really been drawn the short straw in multiple ways this tournament and the preparation heading into this tournament. Also, a lot of self-sabotage. doesn't matter, even with everyone injured and unavailable the squad we have is better than the teams we had in 2020 and 2022 that finished 3rd and 4th whether they are evaluated by individual technique or stats at a league level. Morgan had coaching experience, arnold had both experience and success, this is vidmars first gig. Not blaming him for accepting the job, but it is just not good enough to select a player with no experience
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Keeping a keen eye on on the Jordan/Qatar game. Jordan need to win. It favours us a lot more. Because then Jordan can beat or draw with Indonesia in the final matchday and we beat Qatar and we can possibly go through.
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+x+x+x+xThe terrible pen by Mo Toure perfectively describes the overall performance from the Olyroos, hopeless for a team that has impressed in the lead up with their results and overall performances they have been very disappointing at this tournament and come out with 1 game to go with 1 point and no goals scored. Not sure what it is and how it has lead to this, either way its not good enough and just gives a bad reputation to the players especially when most are a-league regulars whom are have shown they are quite talented, does it paint a true picture of the quality of the a-league and if its strong enough preparing the players for international competition? We know the lack of pro-rel and short season doesnt help but once again making the most of our talent has to be the talking point but we know this will always be about the lack of cattle when the coaching and preparation never gets questioned. I also think this teams seems mentally weak and can only perform when the pressure is not on or when no one expects it so what kind of environment is set at these camps? Overall we have to stop this silly obsession that these teams have to be coached by former Socceroos, just pick the best coaches that are available and it doesnt mean it has to be local, Indonesia's coach is South Korea so have better standards if we have to achieve results because Asian football doesnt mess around... I agree, I actually thinking having an international European coach would take this team to the next level. even that english coach that took us to 4th last tournament at least had domestic experience asian champions league experience needs to be our minimum standard for selecting a coach, not a learn on the fly job for the boys Trevor Morgan is Aussie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Morgan_(footballer)wiki needs fixing then
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+x+x+x+x+xThe terrible pen by Mo Toure perfectively describes the overall performance from the Olyroos, hopeless for a team that has impressed in the lead up with their results and overall performances they have been very disappointing at this tournament and come out with 1 game to go with 1 point and no goals scored. Not sure what it is and how it has lead to this, either way its not good enough and just gives a bad reputation to the players especially when most are a-league regulars whom are have shown they are quite talented, does it paint a true picture of the quality of the a-league and if its strong enough preparing the players for international competition? We know the lack of pro-rel and short season doesnt help but once again making the most of our talent has to be the talking point but we know this will always be about the lack of cattle when the coaching and preparation never gets questioned. I also think this teams seems mentally weak and can only perform when the pressure is not on or when no one expects it so what kind of environment is set at these camps? Overall we have to stop this silly obsession that these teams have to be coached by former Socceroos, just pick the best coaches that are available and it doesnt mean it has to be local, Indonesia's coach is South Korea so have better standards if we have to achieve results because Asian football doesnt mess around... I agree, I actually thinking having an international European coach would take this team to the next level. They will raise standards and will not take BS, even a talented local coach could do a better job too. Arnold - 2nd best coach in australia took a much weaker team to 3rd Morgan - coach with domestic football experience took a slightly weaker team to 4th Vidmar - zero domestic experience and our players look rattled, poor attention to detail, poor composure. Look we don't need a world beater, just get an a league coach that consistently finished top 4 in the a league The lack of coaching stocks is a big problem more so than the talent issue. I remember when Gombau coached the u23s for a little bit. shame we ended up with a vidmar for a coach
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raul blanco coached this side in 2000
that side was our best olympics side ever and they still lost 3 games including against minnow hondurus
so on the one hand failure at this level does not define these players careers since we know how that lot turned out. On the other hand the fa needs to take the coaching role of the olyroos seriously. No more jobs for the boys
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+xThe next game between Jordan and Qatar, we can still qualify regardless of the outcome but the best outcome is Jordan winning. In the end, it's going to come down to the final match-day. If Jordan win against Qatar:Australia needs to beat Qatar Jordan need to beat Indonesia Final result: Jordan: 9 Points Australia: 4 Points Indonesia: 3 Points Qatar: 3 Points If Qatar win against Jordan:
Australia needs to beat Qatar by multiple goals for goal difference Jordan need to beat Indonesia Qatar: 6 points Australia: 4 points Jordan: 4 points Indonesia: 3 points If Jordan and Qatar draw:
Australia needs to beat Qatar by multiple goals Jordan and Indonesia need to draw Qatar: 6 points Australia: 4 points Jordan: 4 points Indonesia: 4 points If Jordan Win against Qatar:
Australia beat Qatar by multiple goals Jordan beat Indonesia. The best outcome is Jordan wins both games and we come second. Regardless of the result of Jordan/Qatar we need to win against Qatar and Indonesia CAN'T win. If Indonesia then they're through regardless. So we are basically betting on who loses out of Jordan and Qatar. If Jordan wins both they are on 7 points not 9
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