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+x+xLooks like canberra delayed a year with just the womens team funded by the consortium No, not the consortium - just extra funding from the ACT Government (additional 80% - which should be.an extra $200k by my maths/figures) If it was the consortium, they would have just announced that there's a consortium actually behind it and when they're coming. But, as usual, no one here is willing to invest, and no one wishes to come to Canberra to invest.... all the focus is on saving Newcastle, etc Canberra doesn't have it in its culture to support a private business in the sense that an AL club would be. They're all cut from the same cloth there - get your annual 0 strings government budget and look down your nose at everyone else. Canberra may have the population to have an AL team, although it's questionable how much of it would be genuine club support (half of Canberra isn't from there). The culture of the place is far more suited to the NST because what Canberra doesn't have in private businesses it has in not for profit clubs. Football is quite a strong and vibrant community and I would put it at ahead of AFL and some measure of even with the no neck games. Happy to be proven wrong, but I don't see a top tier club getting up. Not unless a giant concession is made by the APL and the license fee is waved. Knowing what a basket case the APL is, wouldn't put it past them either...
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+x+x+xLooks like canberra delayed a year with just the womens team funded by the consortium No, not the consortium - just extra funding from the ACT Government (additional 80% - which should be.an extra $200k by my maths/figures) If it was the consortium, they would have just announced that there's a consortium actually behind it and when they're coming. But, as usual, no one here is willing to invest, and no one wishes to come to Canberra to invest.... all the focus is on saving Newcastle, etc Canberra doesn't have it in its culture to support a private business in the sense that an AL club would be. They're all cut from the same cloth there - get your annual 0 strings government budget and look down your nose at everyone else. Canberra may have the population to have an AL team, although it's questionable how much of it would be genuine club support (half of Canberra isn't from there). The culture of the place is far more suited to the NST because what Canberra doesn't have in private businesses it has in not for profit clubs. Football is quite a strong and vibrant community and I would put it at ahead of AFL and some measure of even with the no neck games. Happy to be proven wrong, but I don't see a top tier club getting up. Not unless a giant concession is made by the APL and the license fee is waved. Knowing what a basket case the APL is, wouldn't put it past them either... Yes, my workmate and I have been saying this for a few years. The fact that we, here in Canberra (and him that actually works in the local football media...) haven't heard a thing about who/where/when/what this consortium or funding is coming from, just tells us that it's never coming. I think they had something actually ready when they got shafted for... I can't remember the timing, but it was either Wanderers or Macarthur/Western United, and basically everyone here is burned by that in terms of a professional league. So.. kudos to the NPL teams for getting their eggs in their basket and trying to set themselves up for a future.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. Will your passion follow Syndey FC if they get relegated though? THATS the question. If you want so much for a full pyramid system in Australia then you have to accept the possibility (even if the odds of it happening are a thousand to one) that your clubs will be relegated at some staqe.. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue ..... after 20 years it should? Mine does :) Like I've always said comprehension is your strong point, too many agendas, like your football club. My team in England is Derby County & has been since 1972. Does that answer your question.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. As you guys gather I'm not into going back and forth - but I can only pass on my own observations, experience and outlook. In bold can't deny that after 20yrs academies are set up and other building blocks slowly slowly up rising thank christ for that but ? Naturally there will always be up and coming promising young players, were a sporting nation as they say no matter the system for you sure would bloody well hope we see something growing. Great is a bit OTT until proven towards their peak and I'm still waiting for those late model HK/Dukes etc as you have mentioned many times in the past robbos that I agree. There are crickets in that department to this day but yer there's the ongoing watch this space how many times. There is plenty academy players but yer, com si com sa we're still waiting like people do for the next coming of Christ for those inclined. So whilst all this background APL work carries on into the future where is/will the ironed supporter come from I ask ahead ? Next new dawners ? next new migrant families ? Seriously where and when will most of the APL clubs have a sustainable model comp and feel like a true traditional Club most football supporters honestly relate to ? that to this day can't buy most of the thousands and thousands actively engaged attending games as a player or spectator going to their games Saturday/Sunday who are football people. Its frustrating to say the least, I'd sooner were all together as we agree but the resistance is both sides and one day maybe way too late the hand will be forced once again and probably that far down the rabbit hole football will always be a disjointed bitter entangled sport never to get its act together as a true football model and togetherness. It sure won't with what we currently have. I totally agree with you in regards to the APL & their incompetence, their inability to engage football people is deplorable. I know I started with 30-40 football fans following the A-League & now down to a handful. Can we agree on that. However, it's not all doom & gloom, as I pointed out in my post. I was also there on Sat night & the atmosphere was as good as any game I have seen in Europe. I hope the NST can help create a pro/reg of pyramid of football in this country. The A-League working with the NST. However, you read these But if you want to go back to Greek, Italian, Croatian, Serbian clubs in Australia, well not sure that will work. Well that worked well, I visited the site of the old Apia Football clubhouse, now beautiful high level town houses, some Italians made some great investments there. Dont have to "go back" to these clubs Robbo, they have been around for decades and will be around for decades more... they are CLUBS first and foremost regardless of your narrow mindedness not being able to see past their history and ethnicity of their founders... Thats a you problem not a football problem. I'm talking the top tier of Australian football, I fully understand these clubs still exist pulling crowds of 800 to 1K, do you wan this for top tier of football in this country.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. As you guys gather I'm not into going back and forth - but I can only pass on my own observations, experience and outlook. In bold can't deny that after 20yrs academies are set up and other building blocks slowly slowly up rising thank christ for that but ? Naturally there will always be up and coming promising young players, were a sporting nation as they say no matter the system for you sure would bloody well hope we see something growing. Great is a bit OTT until proven towards their peak and I'm still waiting for those late model HK/Dukes etc as you have mentioned many times in the past robbos that I agree. There are crickets in that department to this day but yer there's the ongoing watch this space how many times. There is plenty academy players but yer, com si com sa we're still waiting like people do for the next coming of Christ for those inclined. So whilst all this background APL work carries on into the future where is/will the ironed supporter come from I ask ahead ? Next new dawners ? next new migrant families ? Seriously where and when will most of the APL clubs have a sustainable model comp and feel like a true traditional Club most football supporters honestly relate to ? that to this day can't buy most of the thousands and thousands actively engaged attending games as a player or spectator going to their games Saturday/Sunday who are football people. Its frustrating to say the least, I'd sooner were all together as we agree but the resistance is both sides and one day maybe way too late the hand will be forced once again and probably that far down the rabbit hole football will always be a disjointed bitter entangled sport never to get its act together as a true football model and togetherness. It sure won't with what we currently have. I totally agree with you in regards to the APL & their incompetence, their inability to engage football people is deplorable. I know I started with 30-40 football fans following the A-League & now down to a handful. Can we agree on that. However, it's not all doom & gloom, as I pointed out in my post. I was also there on Sat night & the atmosphere was as good as any game I have seen in Europe. I hope the NST can help create a pro/reg of pyramid of football in this country. The A-League working with the NST. However, you read these But if you want to go back to Greek, Italian, Croatian, Serbian clubs in Australia, well not sure that will work. Well that worked well, I visited the site of the old Apia Football clubhouse, now beautiful high level town houses, some Italians made some great investments there. I don't think its their inability engaging with the countless football supporters that plain and simple are not interested in the comp. The derbies are the only ones getting the vibe but as an outing for most, for where are the balance of them rest of the games/competition. IF afler's and nrlers keep turning up to their home games why can't the AL Club supporters after all the years of bubble and squeak/$$/coverage ? its not about the top management its the product not pulling in and devoted supporters. Whilst you were at the derby I was at my sons place who entertained us and his inlaws and fam my daughter inlaws BDay, we had the derby on the vision but talking away at the dinner table, the bro inlaws/cousins all regular footballers and ages don't go to AL games but couldn't wait for Spurs/Toons all sat and watched whereas no matter the derby but passing interest, how many of us do the same. Thats the AL dilemma - but the neutrals turning up just for the derby. What other scenarios are there. robbos no one is asking for the ol days, we are asking for new and better structured days that entails what we have playing semi pro last 20yrs, thats our foundations plain and simple and so very very different pre AL. Its time to move on from the oild train of thought and as mentioned bring on the NST for thats the next long awaited sugar hit for us following the game 24/7 but not AL. Its a plus IF the NST gets some fair crowds for the game overall compared what they have had last 20yrs - thats a win win. Like I said you are preaching to the preached, I use to attend SFC with 25-30 diehard SFC fans, on the weekend there was only 4 of us left at the game. So YES I agree the product is struggling, I blame the Management because of the poor decision making. If you watch the games especially SFC, they are playing football of quality level (please consider playing are oly on 200K to 1mill a year). This is the best standard of football I have seen in Australia top tier in my life. So the product is there, just not the marketing or the structure & especially the management. Hopefully the NST will bring about change & I'm hoping it does, I want a proper pyramid in football for this we are on the same page. I would love to see these teams battle out for promotion into the A-League. The crowds are pretty pathetic at present, though Sydney is averaging 15K, it's still much better than the NSL, even at it's peak.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. Will your passion follow Syndey FC if they get relegated though? THATS the question. If you want so much for a full pyramid system in Australia then you have to accept the possibility (even if the odds of it happening are a thousand to one) that your clubs will be relegated at some staqe.. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue ..... after 20 years it should? Mine does :) Like I've always said comprehension is your strong point, too many agendas, like your football club. My team in England is Derby County & has been since 1972. Does that answer your question. No it doesnt. I asked you about Sydney FC, your club that you are so passionate about here in Australia..... simple question mate. Will your passion follow Syndey FC if they get relegated though? THATS the question. If you want so much for a full pyramid system in Australia then you have to accept the possibility (even if the odds of it happening are a thousand to one) that your clubs will be relegated at some staqe.. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue ..... after 20 years it should? Mine does 
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. As you guys gather I'm not into going back and forth - but I can only pass on my own observations, experience and outlook. In bold can't deny that after 20yrs academies are set up and other building blocks slowly slowly up rising thank christ for that but ? Naturally there will always be up and coming promising young players, were a sporting nation as they say no matter the system for you sure would bloody well hope we see something growing. Great is a bit OTT until proven towards their peak and I'm still waiting for those late model HK/Dukes etc as you have mentioned many times in the past robbos that I agree. There are crickets in that department to this day but yer there's the ongoing watch this space how many times. There is plenty academy players but yer, com si com sa we're still waiting like people do for the next coming of Christ for those inclined. So whilst all this background APL work carries on into the future where is/will the ironed supporter come from I ask ahead ? Next new dawners ? next new migrant families ? Seriously where and when will most of the APL clubs have a sustainable model comp and feel like a true traditional Club most football supporters honestly relate to ? that to this day can't buy most of the thousands and thousands actively engaged attending games as a player or spectator going to their games Saturday/Sunday who are football people. Its frustrating to say the least, I'd sooner were all together as we agree but the resistance is both sides and one day maybe way too late the hand will be forced once again and probably that far down the rabbit hole football will always be a disjointed bitter entangled sport never to get its act together as a true football model and togetherness. It sure won't with what we currently have. I totally agree with you in regards to the APL & their incompetence, their inability to engage football people is deplorable. I know I started with 30-40 football fans following the A-League & now down to a handful. Can we agree on that. However, it's not all doom & gloom, as I pointed out in my post. I was also there on Sat night & the atmosphere was as good as any game I have seen in Europe. I hope the NST can help create a pro/reg of pyramid of football in this country. The A-League working with the NST. However, you read these But if you want to go back to Greek, Italian, Croatian, Serbian clubs in Australia, well not sure that will work. Well that worked well, I visited the site of the old Apia Football clubhouse, now beautiful high level town houses, some Italians made some great investments there. Dont have to "go back" to these clubs Robbo, they have been around for decades and will be around for decades more... they are CLUBS first and foremost regardless of your narrow mindedness not being able to see past their history and ethnicity of their founders... Thats a you problem not a football problem. I'm talking the top tier of Australian football, I fully understand these clubs still exist pulling crowds of 800 to 1K, do you wan this for top tier of football in this country. What difference does it make 1k to 3-4k presently? And why should it btw, as long as the clubs can survive and put a team on the pitch? We are NOT a football mad nation and may never be... so what? What we need is more clubs all pulling in the same direction, not a delusional entertainment league designed to make investors happy....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. As you guys gather I'm not into going back and forth - but I can only pass on my own observations, experience and outlook. In bold can't deny that after 20yrs academies are set up and other building blocks slowly slowly up rising thank christ for that but ? Naturally there will always be up and coming promising young players, were a sporting nation as they say no matter the system for you sure would bloody well hope we see something growing. Great is a bit OTT until proven towards their peak and I'm still waiting for those late model HK/Dukes etc as you have mentioned many times in the past robbos that I agree. There are crickets in that department to this day but yer there's the ongoing watch this space how many times. There is plenty academy players but yer, com si com sa we're still waiting like people do for the next coming of Christ for those inclined. So whilst all this background APL work carries on into the future where is/will the ironed supporter come from I ask ahead ? Next new dawners ? next new migrant families ? Seriously where and when will most of the APL clubs have a sustainable model comp and feel like a true traditional Club most football supporters honestly relate to ? that to this day can't buy most of the thousands and thousands actively engaged attending games as a player or spectator going to their games Saturday/Sunday who are football people. Its frustrating to say the least, I'd sooner were all together as we agree but the resistance is both sides and one day maybe way too late the hand will be forced once again and probably that far down the rabbit hole football will always be a disjointed bitter entangled sport never to get its act together as a true football model and togetherness. It sure won't with what we currently have. I totally agree with you in regards to the APL & their incompetence, their inability to engage football people is deplorable. I know I started with 30-40 football fans following the A-League & now down to a handful. Can we agree on that. However, it's not all doom & gloom, as I pointed out in my post. I was also there on Sat night & the atmosphere was as good as any game I have seen in Europe. I hope the NST can help create a pro/reg of pyramid of football in this country. The A-League working with the NST. However, you read these But if you want to go back to Greek, Italian, Croatian, Serbian clubs in Australia, well not sure that will work. Well that worked well, I visited the site of the old Apia Football clubhouse, now beautiful high level town houses, some Italians made some great investments there. I don't think its their inability engaging with the countless football supporters that plain and simple are not interested in the comp. The derbies are the only ones getting the vibe but as an outing for most, for where are the balance of them rest of the games/competition. IF afler's and nrlers keep turning up to their home games why can't the AL Club supporters after all the years of bubble and squeak/$$/coverage ? its not about the top management its the product not pulling in and devoted supporters. Whilst you were at the derby I was at my sons place who entertained us and his inlaws and fam my daughter inlaws BDay, we had the derby on the vision but talking away at the dinner table, the bro inlaws/cousins all regular footballers and ages don't go to AL games but couldn't wait for Spurs/Toons all sat and watched whereas no matter the derby but passing interest, how many of us do the same. Thats the AL dilemma - but the neutrals turning up just for the derby. What other scenarios are there. robbos no one is asking for the ol days, we are asking for new and better structured days that entails what we have playing semi pro last 20yrs, thats our foundations plain and simple and so very very different pre AL. Its time to move on from the oild train of thought and as mentioned bring on the NST for thats the next long awaited sugar hit for us following the game 24/7 but not AL. Its a plus IF the NST gets some fair crowds for the game overall compared what they have had last 20yrs - thats a win win. Like I said you are preaching to the preached, I use to attend SFC with 25-30 diehard SFC fans, on the weekend there was only 4 of us left at the game. So YES I agree the product is struggling, I blame the Management because of the poor decision making. If you watch the games especially SFC, they are playing football of quality level (please consider playing are oly on 200K to 1mill a year). This is the best standard of football I have seen in Australia top tier in my life. So the product is there, just not the marketing or the structure & especially the management. Hopefully the NST will bring about change & I'm hoping it does, I want a proper pyramid in football for this we are on the same page. I would love to see these teams battle out for promotion into the A-League. The crowds are pretty pathetic at present, though Sydney is averaging 15K, it's still much better than the NSL, even at it's peak. Thats a real feather in your cap Robbo "better than the NSL at its peak"? hahahahahah After 20 years of plastic garbage the crowds are "better than the NSL at its peak"? hahahahahaha How amazing. What a worthwhile revolution the Aleague has been .... its "better than the NSL" ohhh boy.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. Will your passion follow Syndey FC if they get relegated though? THATS the question. If you want so much for a full pyramid system in Australia then you have to accept the possibility (even if the odds of it happening are a thousand to one) that your clubs will be relegated at some staqe.. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue ..... after 20 years it should? Mine does :) Like I've always said comprehension is your strong point, too many agendas, like your football club. My team in England is Derby County & has been since 1972. Does that answer your question. No it doesnt. I asked you about Sydney FC, your club that you are so passionate about here in Australia..... simple question mate. Will your passion follow Syndey FC if they get relegated though? THATS the question. If you want so much for a full pyramid system in Australia then you have to accept the possibility (even if the odds of it happening are a thousand to one) that your clubs will be relegated at some staqe.. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue ..... after 20 years it should? Mine does Ok I will put it simply for you. Based on my still following Derby County despite it being in the 3rd tier of English football, they are still the 1st result I look up every Sunday morning ever since the internet come on board or going back to sporting pages on Monday mornings before the internet. Based on that & the fact that I'm more passionate Sydney FC I would say yes I would still follow Sydney FC should it ever fall to the PITS of the NPL.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. As you guys gather I'm not into going back and forth - but I can only pass on my own observations, experience and outlook. In bold can't deny that after 20yrs academies are set up and other building blocks slowly slowly up rising thank christ for that but ? Naturally there will always be up and coming promising young players, were a sporting nation as they say no matter the system for you sure would bloody well hope we see something growing. Great is a bit OTT until proven towards their peak and I'm still waiting for those late model HK/Dukes etc as you have mentioned many times in the past robbos that I agree. There are crickets in that department to this day but yer there's the ongoing watch this space how many times. There is plenty academy players but yer, com si com sa we're still waiting like people do for the next coming of Christ for those inclined. So whilst all this background APL work carries on into the future where is/will the ironed supporter come from I ask ahead ? Next new dawners ? next new migrant families ? Seriously where and when will most of the APL clubs have a sustainable model comp and feel like a true traditional Club most football supporters honestly relate to ? that to this day can't buy most of the thousands and thousands actively engaged attending games as a player or spectator going to their games Saturday/Sunday who are football people. Its frustrating to say the least, I'd sooner were all together as we agree but the resistance is both sides and one day maybe way too late the hand will be forced once again and probably that far down the rabbit hole football will always be a disjointed bitter entangled sport never to get its act together as a true football model and togetherness. It sure won't with what we currently have. I totally agree with you in regards to the APL & their incompetence, their inability to engage football people is deplorable. I know I started with 30-40 football fans following the A-League & now down to a handful. Can we agree on that. However, it's not all doom & gloom, as I pointed out in my post. I was also there on Sat night & the atmosphere was as good as any game I have seen in Europe. I hope the NST can help create a pro/reg of pyramid of football in this country. The A-League working with the NST. However, you read these But if you want to go back to Greek, Italian, Croatian, Serbian clubs in Australia, well not sure that will work. Well that worked well, I visited the site of the old Apia Football clubhouse, now beautiful high level town houses, some Italians made some great investments there. Dont have to "go back" to these clubs Robbo, they have been around for decades and will be around for decades more... they are CLUBS first and foremost regardless of your narrow mindedness not being able to see past their history and ethnicity of their founders... Thats a you problem not a football problem. I'm talking the top tier of Australian football, I fully understand these clubs still exist pulling crowds of 800 to 1K, do you wan this for top tier of football in this country. What difference does it make 1k to 3-4k presently? And why should it btw, as long as the clubs can survive and put a team on the pitch? We are NOT a football mad nation and may never be... so what? What we need is more clubs all pulling in the same direction, not a delusional entertainment league designed to make investors happy.... Well the average of the A-League is 8k & my team Sydney FC is 15K, so yes the difference is huge.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. Will your passion follow Syndey FC if they get relegated though? THATS the question. If you want so much for a full pyramid system in Australia then you have to accept the possibility (even if the odds of it happening are a thousand to one) that your clubs will be relegated at some staqe.. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue ..... after 20 years it should? Mine does :) Like I've always said comprehension is your strong point, too many agendas, like your football club. My team in England is Derby County & has been since 1972. Does that answer your question. No it doesnt. I asked you about Sydney FC, your club that you are so passionate about here in Australia..... simple question mate. Will your passion follow Syndey FC if they get relegated though? THATS the question. If you want so much for a full pyramid system in Australia then you have to accept the possibility (even if the odds of it happening are a thousand to one) that your clubs will be relegated at some staqe.. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue ..... after 20 years it should? Mine does Ok I will put it simply for you. Based on my still following Derby County despite it being in the 3rd tier of English football, they are still the 1st result I look up every Sunday morning ever since the internet come on board or going back to sporting pages on Monday mornings before the internet. Based on that & the fact that I'm more passionate Sydney FC I would say yes I would still follow Sydney FC should it ever fall to the PITS of the NPL. Absolute 100% respect from me then brother.. that is the answer I was looking for and applaud. I think your club needs to hear this from more fans, that is the ONLY way a combined Aleague/NST/NPL/State leagues pyramid will EVER work if the APL understands that their clubs wont die if relegated... otherwise they are the ones holding things back.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. As you guys gather I'm not into going back and forth - but I can only pass on my own observations, experience and outlook. In bold can't deny that after 20yrs academies are set up and other building blocks slowly slowly up rising thank christ for that but ? Naturally there will always be up and coming promising young players, were a sporting nation as they say no matter the system for you sure would bloody well hope we see something growing. Great is a bit OTT until proven towards their peak and I'm still waiting for those late model HK/Dukes etc as you have mentioned many times in the past robbos that I agree. There are crickets in that department to this day but yer there's the ongoing watch this space how many times. There is plenty academy players but yer, com si com sa we're still waiting like people do for the next coming of Christ for those inclined. So whilst all this background APL work carries on into the future where is/will the ironed supporter come from I ask ahead ? Next new dawners ? next new migrant families ? Seriously where and when will most of the APL clubs have a sustainable model comp and feel like a true traditional Club most football supporters honestly relate to ? that to this day can't buy most of the thousands and thousands actively engaged attending games as a player or spectator going to their games Saturday/Sunday who are football people. Its frustrating to say the least, I'd sooner were all together as we agree but the resistance is both sides and one day maybe way too late the hand will be forced once again and probably that far down the rabbit hole football will always be a disjointed bitter entangled sport never to get its act together as a true football model and togetherness. It sure won't with what we currently have. I totally agree with you in regards to the APL & their incompetence, their inability to engage football people is deplorable. I know I started with 30-40 football fans following the A-League & now down to a handful. Can we agree on that. However, it's not all doom & gloom, as I pointed out in my post. I was also there on Sat night & the atmosphere was as good as any game I have seen in Europe. I hope the NST can help create a pro/reg of pyramid of football in this country. The A-League working with the NST. However, you read these But if you want to go back to Greek, Italian, Croatian, Serbian clubs in Australia, well not sure that will work. Well that worked well, I visited the site of the old Apia Football clubhouse, now beautiful high level town houses, some Italians made some great investments there. Dont have to "go back" to these clubs Robbo, they have been around for decades and will be around for decades more... they are CLUBS first and foremost regardless of your narrow mindedness not being able to see past their history and ethnicity of their founders... Thats a you problem not a football problem. I'm talking the top tier of Australian football, I fully understand these clubs still exist pulling crowds of 800 to 1K, do you wan this for top tier of football in this country. What difference does it make 1k to 3-4k presently? And why should it btw, as long as the clubs can survive and put a team on the pitch? We are NOT a football mad nation and may never be... so what? What we need is more clubs all pulling in the same direction, not a delusional entertainment league designed to make investors happy.... Well the average of the A-League is 8k & my team Sydney FC is 15K, so yes the difference is huge. Sorry Robbo 1k to 8k really isn't that much of a huge difference. Especially considering that 1k in smaller stadiums covers costs while 8k in 50K stadiums doesnt even begin to scratch the surface.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. Will your passion follow Syndey FC if they get relegated though? THATS the question. If you want so much for a full pyramid system in Australia then you have to accept the possibility (even if the odds of it happening are a thousand to one) that your clubs will be relegated at some staqe.. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue ..... after 20 years it should? Mine does :) Like I've always said comprehension is your strong point, too many agendas, like your football club. My team in England is Derby County & has been since 1972. Does that answer your question. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue I actually think this variation of the question is more important. It will be some task for a relegated A League club to adjust. Where will they play? How will they adjust to having to lay off staff and reduce the budget? Will they find volunteers to fill previously paid jobs? If they get promoted again how easily will they find the finance to do so?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. Will your passion follow Syndey FC if they get relegated though? THATS the question. If you want so much for a full pyramid system in Australia then you have to accept the possibility (even if the odds of it happening are a thousand to one) that your clubs will be relegated at some staqe.. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue ..... after 20 years it should? Mine does :) Like I've always said comprehension is your strong point, too many agendas, like your football club. My team in England is Derby County & has been since 1972. Does that answer your question. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue I actually think this variation of the question is more important. It will be some task for a relegated A League club to adjust. Where will they play? How will they adjust to having to lay off staff and reduce the budget? Will they find volunteers to fill previously paid jobs? If they get promoted again how easily will they find the finance to do so? Absolutely fair points .. and probably the reasoning behind their resistance to even allowing this as a possibility... I assume they can integrate into wherever their NPL squads currently play and hopefully, with a new sense of professionalism in NST the layoffs may not be as deep cutting as we think, some of the Aleague clubs run pretty lean in admin Im told. But the culture of playing in an "inferior league" is a big hurdle and thus my question to Robbo... I mean Im pretty rusted on at South Born and bred into the club) and I disappeared for almost a decade when the NSL disbanded...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. Will your passion follow Syndey FC if they get relegated though? THATS the question. If you want so much for a full pyramid system in Australia then you have to accept the possibility (even if the odds of it happening are a thousand to one) that your clubs will be relegated at some staqe.. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue ..... after 20 years it should? Mine does :) Like I've always said comprehension is your strong point, too many agendas, like your football club. My team in England is Derby County & has been since 1972. Does that answer your question. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue I actually think this variation of the question is more important. It will be some task for a relegated A League club to adjust. Where will they play? How will they adjust to having to lay off staff and reduce the budget? Will they find volunteers to fill previously paid jobs? If they get promoted again how easily will they find the finance to do so? Absolutely fair points .. and probably the reasoning behind their resistance to even allowing this as a possibility... I assume they can integrate into wherever their NPL squads currently play and hopefully, with a new sense of professionalism in NST the layoffs may not be as deep cutting as we think, some of the Aleague clubs run pretty lean in admin Im told. But the culture of playing in an "inferior league" is a big hurdle and thus my question to Robbo... It's one of those things that would definitely vary from club to club. There would definitely be some A-league clubs in which relegation would almost certainly be a death sentence, but there are others that should be fine and likely bounce back to the top the following season. I have no doubt there would be plenty of fans that would stick by their club through relegation. Also, by current understanding, the NST won't be that far of a drop especially if they stick to it being fully pro. The quality on-field is going to be very close. Also, if MV got relegated, the prospect of a MV vs SM derby is way more exciting than the MC or WU games. The flipside to that conversation is promotion criteria. Although it is within the FA's power to introduce P&R between the AL and NST. However, the APL would be able to set certain criteria for promotion outside of merit (ie: facilities, financials, staffing, etc). So, there would be very little really stopping them from setting criteria that they know that the majority (if not all) NST clubs can't meet. I could totally see them setting criteria that they know only the bigger NST clubs can meet.
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+x+x+x+xLooks like canberra delayed a year with just the womens team funded by the consortium No, not the consortium - just extra funding from the ACT Government (additional 80% - which should be.an extra $200k by my maths/figures) If it was the consortium, they would have just announced that there's a consortium actually behind it and when they're coming. But, as usual, no one here is willing to invest, and no one wishes to come to Canberra to invest.... all the focus is on saving Newcastle, etc Canberra doesn't have it in its culture to support a private business in the sense that an AL club would be. They're all cut from the same cloth there - get your annual 0 strings government budget and look down your nose at everyone else. Canberra may have the population to have an AL team, although it's questionable how much of it would be genuine club support (half of Canberra isn't from there). The culture of the place is far more suited to the NST because what Canberra doesn't have in private businesses it has in not for profit clubs. Football is quite a strong and vibrant community and I would put it at ahead of AFL and some measure of even with the no neck games. Happy to be proven wrong, but I don't see a top tier club getting up. Not unless a giant concession is made by the APL and the license fee is waved. Knowing what a basket case the APL is, wouldn't put it past them either... Yes, my workmate and I have been saying this for a few years. The fact that we, here in Canberra (and him that actually works in the local football media...) haven't heard a thing about who/where/when/what this consortium or funding is coming from, just tells us that it's never coming. I think they had something actually ready when they got shafted for... I can't remember the timing, but it was either Wanderers or Macarthur/Western United, and basically everyone here is burned by that in terms of a professional league. So.. kudos to the NPL teams for getting their eggs in their basket and trying to set themselves up for a future. seriously NCB I think Canbra has dodged a bullet. After the honeymoon I doubt it would have carried on growing years and years ahead unless they WON WON WON. Look at the Brumbies, epic early days with wins - followed by Gregan/Roff/Larkham era then pittered away. Raiders, highs lows. Sure crowds have been good but you got to win AND both have had way more resource, more so Raiders to this day. Football is strong no doubt about it down there especially Jnr levels I'm rapted about that but all I see is another APL license produce not much in the big picture and a blight on the game later on.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. Will your passion follow Syndey FC if they get relegated though? THATS the question. If you want so much for a full pyramid system in Australia then you have to accept the possibility (even if the odds of it happening are a thousand to one) that your clubs will be relegated at some staqe.. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue ..... after 20 years it should? Mine does :) Like I've always said comprehension is your strong point, too many agendas, like your football club. My team in England is Derby County & has been since 1972. Does that answer your question. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue I actually think this variation of the question is more important. It will be some task for a relegated A League club to adjust. Where will they play? How will they adjust to having to lay off staff and reduce the budget? Will they find volunteers to fill previously paid jobs? If they get promoted again how easily will they find the finance to do so? Absolutely fair points .. and probably the reasoning behind their resistance to even allowing this as a possibility... I assume they can integrate into wherever their NPL squads currently play and hopefully, with a new sense of professionalism in NST the layoffs may not be as deep cutting as we think, some of the Aleague clubs run pretty lean in admin Im told. But the culture of playing in an "inferior league" is a big hurdle and thus my question to Robbo... It's one of those things that would definitely vary from club to club. There would definitely be some A-league clubs in which relegation would almost certainly be a death sentence, but there are others that should be fine and likely bounce back to the top the following season. I have no doubt there would be plenty of fans that would stick by their club through relegation. Also, by current understanding, the NST won't be that far of a drop especially if they stick to it being fully pro. The quality on-field is going to be very close. Also, if MV got relegated, the prospect of a MV vs SM derby is way more exciting than the MC or WU games. The flipside to that conversation is promotion criteria. Although it is within the FA's power to introduce P&R between the AL and NST. However, the APL would be able to set certain criteria for promotion outside of merit (ie: facilities, financials, staffing, etc). So, there would be very little really stopping them from setting criteria that they know that the majority (if not all) NST clubs can't meet. I could totally see them setting criteria that they know only the bigger NST clubs can meet. good point in bold someguyfc and no doubt they will. Anyway what NST club would have the funding resource to pay playing at Allianz/Commbank etcetc - ludicrous to say the least and I hope any NST Club thanks but no thanks. Winning the NST won't have any wonderful huge golden hand out by the FA let alone sponsers kicking in extra. P/R will only get off the ground with NST - NPL1 or whatever it will be called looking ahead to me. It will be all too difficult working with the APL and the FA/NST it just won't happen I'm calling it now.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. Will your passion follow Syndey FC if they get relegated though? THATS the question. If you want so much for a full pyramid system in Australia then you have to accept the possibility (even if the odds of it happening are a thousand to one) that your clubs will be relegated at some staqe.. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue ..... after 20 years it should? Mine does :) Like I've always said comprehension is your strong point, too many agendas, like your football club. My team in England is Derby County & has been since 1972. Does that answer your question. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue I actually think this variation of the question is more important. It will be some task for a relegated A League club to adjust. Where will they play? How will they adjust to having to lay off staff and reduce the budget? Will they find volunteers to fill previously paid jobs? If they get promoted again how easily will they find the finance to do so? Absolutely fair points .. and probably the reasoning behind their resistance to even allowing this as a possibility... I assume they can integrate into wherever their NPL squads currently play and hopefully, with a new sense of professionalism in NST the layoffs may not be as deep cutting as we think, some of the Aleague clubs run pretty lean in admin Im told. But the culture of playing in an "inferior league" is a big hurdle and thus my question to Robbo... It's one of those things that would definitely vary from club to club. There would definitely be some A-league clubs in which relegation would almost certainly be a death sentence, but there are others that should be fine and likely bounce back to the top the following season. I have no doubt there would be plenty of fans that would stick by their club through relegation. Also, by current understanding, the NST won't be that far of a drop especially if they stick to it being fully pro. The quality on-field is going to be very close. Also, if MV got relegated, the prospect of a MV vs SM derby is way more exciting than the MC or WU games. The flipside to that conversation is promotion criteria. Although it is within the FA's power to introduce P&R between the AL and NST. However, the APL would be able to set certain criteria for promotion outside of merit (ie: facilities, financials, staffing, etc). So, there would be very little really stopping them from setting criteria that they know that the majority (if not all) NST clubs can't meet. I could totally see them setting criteria that they know only the bigger NST clubs can meet. good point in bold someguyfc and no doubt they will. Anyway what NST club would have the funding resource to pay playing at Allianz/Commbank etcetc - ludicrous to say the least and I hope any NST Club thanks but no thanks. Winning the NST won't have any wonderful huge golden hand out by the FA let alone sponsers kicking in extra.P/R will only get off the ground with NST - NPL1 or whatever it will be called looking ahead to me. It will be all too difficult working with the APL and the FA/NST it just won't happen I'm calling it now. Ummmm watch this space mate :)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. As you guys gather I'm not into going back and forth - but I can only pass on my own observations, experience and outlook. In bold can't deny that after 20yrs academies are set up and other building blocks slowly slowly up rising thank christ for that but ? Naturally there will always be up and coming promising young players, were a sporting nation as they say no matter the system for you sure would bloody well hope we see something growing. Great is a bit OTT until proven towards their peak and I'm still waiting for those late model HK/Dukes etc as you have mentioned many times in the past robbos that I agree. There are crickets in that department to this day but yer there's the ongoing watch this space how many times. There is plenty academy players but yer, com si com sa we're still waiting like people do for the next coming of Christ for those inclined. So whilst all this background APL work carries on into the future where is/will the ironed supporter come from I ask ahead ? Next new dawners ? next new migrant families ? Seriously where and when will most of the APL clubs have a sustainable model comp and feel like a true traditional Club most football supporters honestly relate to ? that to this day can't buy most of the thousands and thousands actively engaged attending games as a player or spectator going to their games Saturday/Sunday who are football people. Its frustrating to say the least, I'd sooner were all together as we agree but the resistance is both sides and one day maybe way too late the hand will be forced once again and probably that far down the rabbit hole football will always be a disjointed bitter entangled sport never to get its act together as a true football model and togetherness. It sure won't with what we currently have. I totally agree with you in regards to the APL & their incompetence, their inability to engage football people is deplorable. I know I started with 30-40 football fans following the A-League & now down to a handful. Can we agree on that. However, it's not all doom & gloom, as I pointed out in my post. I was also there on Sat night & the atmosphere was as good as any game I have seen in Europe. I hope the NST can help create a pro/reg of pyramid of football in this country. The A-League working with the NST. However, you read these But if you want to go back to Greek, Italian, Croatian, Serbian clubs in Australia, well not sure that will work. Well that worked well, I visited the site of the old Apia Football clubhouse, now beautiful high level town houses, some Italians made some great investments there. I don't think its their inability engaging with the countless football supporters that plain and simple are not interested in the comp. The derbies are the only ones getting the vibe but as an outing for most, for where are the balance of them rest of the games/competition. IF afler's and nrlers keep turning up to their home games why can't the AL Club supporters after all the years of bubble and squeak/$$/coverage ? its not about the top management its the product not pulling in and devoted supporters. Whilst you were at the derby I was at my sons place who entertained us and his inlaws and fam my daughter inlaws BDay, we had the derby on the vision but talking away at the dinner table, the bro inlaws/cousins all regular footballers and ages don't go to AL games but couldn't wait for Spurs/Toons all sat and watched whereas no matter the derby but passing interest, how many of us do the same. Thats the AL dilemma - but the neutrals turning up just for the derby. What other scenarios are there. robbos no one is asking for the ol days, we are asking for new and better structured days that entails what we have playing semi pro last 20yrs, thats our foundations plain and simple and so very very different pre AL. Its time to move on from the oild train of thought and as mentioned bring on the NST for thats the next long awaited sugar hit for us following the game 24/7 but not AL. Its a plus IF the NST gets some fair crowds for the game overall compared what they have had last 20yrs - thats a win win. Like I said you are preaching to the preached, I use to attend SFC with 25-30 diehard SFC fans, on the weekend there was only 4 of us left at the game. So YES I agree the product is struggling, I blame the Management because of the poor decision making. If you watch the games especially SFC, they are playing football of quality level (please consider playing are oly on 200K to 1mill a year). This is the best standard of football I have seen in Australia top tier in my life. So the product is there, just not the marketing or the structure & especially the management. Hopefully the NST will bring about change & I'm hoping it does, I want a proper pyramid in football for this we are on the same page. I would love to see these teams battle out for promotion into the A-League. The crowds are pretty pathetic at present, though Sydney is averaging 15K, it's still much better than the NSL, even at it's peak. hey mate, thanks for the reply I know you have the best interest for the game here as we both have just different POV's how we get there. I still put aside its the management specifically for its always more than that. Sure (AL/APL) they play a more structured possession game thank christ for that but thats overall progress since hoofball days so obviously it looks better. As a neutral more and more now of the game at that level its not exciting to me and I'm not alone. I still find it clunky, fundamental errors galore, shabby this shabby that, pass back pass back, sideways sideways then a highlight. As mentioned only derbies like last week bring in a crowd the rest is still a flip of a coin, do I watch or not or do I head down to a NPL game. My grown sons and mates are starting to attend more NPL games (go to FFACup games) again and are hanging for the NST, the huge % of devoted football supporters GenX/Z's don't rate APL at all let alone connect with it. Hence even IF APL management got their heads on won't pull in the big % of devoted football supporters, its got a huge void they can't fill no matter which way you look at it. Seriously after 20yrs how long do you flog a product waiting for success. NST won't bring a huge change in the big picture but warm up bringing many out of the cold who luv NPL, invested football followers/those who engage in the sport last 20yrs at grass roots and Snrs that touch wood going Pro will finally start having a decent product/comp alot more people relate to. We can only wait and see what becomes and I will be there with bells on paying for my tickets and eat plenty so the Club can benefit some of my $'s. As for crowds, NST is no AL/APL product with all the bells and whistles it had, lets get realistic, just us average mugs who are not expecting those over priced large stadiums and battle 15k + crowds - small steps mate fingers crossed it gets somewhere for football here needs another mighty mighty rebuild and I think working from the lower makes more sense than top down and more affordable for the product/game itself.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. Will your passion follow Syndey FC if they get relegated though? THATS the question. If you want so much for a full pyramid system in Australia then you have to accept the possibility (even if the odds of it happening are a thousand to one) that your clubs will be relegated at some staqe.. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue ..... after 20 years it should? Mine does :) Like I've always said comprehension is your strong point, too many agendas, like your football club. My team in England is Derby County & has been since 1972. Does that answer your question. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue I actually think this variation of the question is more important. It will be some task for a relegated A League club to adjust. Where will they play? How will they adjust to having to lay off staff and reduce the budget? Will they find volunteers to fill previously paid jobs? If they get promoted again how easily will they find the finance to do so? Absolutely fair points .. and probably the reasoning behind their resistance to even allowing this as a possibility... I assume they can integrate into wherever their NPL squads currently play and hopefully, with a new sense of professionalism in NST the layoffs may not be as deep cutting as we think, some of the Aleague clubs run pretty lean in admin Im told. But the culture of playing in an "inferior league" is a big hurdle and thus my question to Robbo... It's one of those things that would definitely vary from club to club. There would definitely be some A-league clubs in which relegation would almost certainly be a death sentence, but there are others that should be fine and likely bounce back to the top the following season. I have no doubt there would be plenty of fans that would stick by their club through relegation. Also, by current understanding, the NST won't be that far of a drop especially if they stick to it being fully pro. The quality on-field is going to be very close. Also, if MV got relegated, the prospect of a MV vs SM derby is way more exciting than the MC or WU games. The flipside to that conversation is promotion criteria. Although it is within the FA's power to introduce P&R between the AL and NST. However, the APL would be able to set certain criteria for promotion outside of merit (ie: facilities, financials, staffing, etc). So, there would be very little really stopping them from setting criteria that they know that the majority (if not all) NST clubs can't meet. I could totally see them setting criteria that they know only the bigger NST clubs can meet. good point in bold someguyfc and no doubt they will. Anyway what NST club would have the funding resource to pay playing at Allianz/Commbank etcetc - ludicrous to say the least and I hope any NST Club thanks but no thanks. Winning the NST won't have any wonderful huge golden hand out by the FA let alone sponsers kicking in extra.P/R will only get off the ground with NST - NPL1 or whatever it will be called looking ahead to me. It will be all too difficult working with the APL and the FA/NST it just won't happen I'm calling it now. Ummmm watch this space mate :) gawd mate, you better not be a Trojan Horse messenger hahahaha Great news if so !
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. Will your passion follow Syndey FC if they get relegated though? THATS the question. If you want so much for a full pyramid system in Australia then you have to accept the possibility (even if the odds of it happening are a thousand to one) that your clubs will be relegated at some staqe.. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue ..... after 20 years it should? Mine does :) Like I've always said comprehension is your strong point, too many agendas, like your football club. My team in England is Derby County & has been since 1972. Does that answer your question. Does it have the culture behind it to survive decades in a state league with 1k fans and no revenue I actually think this variation of the question is more important. It will be some task for a relegated A League club to adjust. Where will they play? How will they adjust to having to lay off staff and reduce the budget? Will they find volunteers to fill previously paid jobs? If they get promoted again how easily will they find the finance to do so? Absolutely fair points .. and probably the reasoning behind their resistance to even allowing this as a possibility... I assume they can integrate into wherever their NPL squads currently play and hopefully, with a new sense of professionalism in NST the layoffs may not be as deep cutting as we think, some of the Aleague clubs run pretty lean in admin Im told. But the culture of playing in an "inferior league" is a big hurdle and thus my question to Robbo... It's one of those things that would definitely vary from club to club. There would definitely be some A-league clubs in which relegation would almost certainly be a death sentence, but there are others that should be fine and likely bounce back to the top the following season. I have no doubt there would be plenty of fans that would stick by their club through relegation. Also, by current understanding, the NST won't be that far of a drop especially if they stick to it being fully pro. The quality on-field is going to be very close. Also, if MV got relegated, the prospect of a MV vs SM derby is way more exciting than the MC or WU games. The flipside to that conversation is promotion criteria. Although it is within the FA's power to introduce P&R between the AL and NST. However, the APL would be able to set certain criteria for promotion outside of merit (ie: facilities, financials, staffing, etc). So, there would be very little really stopping them from setting criteria that they know that the majority (if not all) NST clubs can't meet. I could totally see them setting criteria that they know only the bigger NST clubs can meet. good point in bold someguyfc and no doubt they will. Anyway what NST club would have the funding resource to pay playing at Allianz/Commbank etcetc - ludicrous to say the least and I hope any NST Club thanks but no thanks. Winning the NST won't have any wonderful huge golden hand out by the FA let alone sponsers kicking in extra.P/R will only get off the ground with NST - NPL1 or whatever it will be called looking ahead to me. It will be all too difficult working with the APL and the FA/NST it just won't happen I'm calling it now. Ummmm watch this space mate :) gawd mate, you better not be a Trojan Horse messenger hahahaha Great news if so ! Its all just rumour of rumours flying around mate... Who really nows... Even the clubs already in are a little in the dark (or wont reveal the truth yet). Ive heard two separate sources tell me either: 1) broadcasting money will be distributed to the clubs based on table position 2) or all clubs get the same broadcasting money and the final champ gets a cash prize with runner up getting a smaller one .... how much that is, who knows, could be 10K for all we know....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcheeez sure is a roller coaster of news the last number of posts though am I surprised, nope. Glad to see your Prtez quoting as such MSC, hope this turns out on the additional Clubs, wonder IF FA have decreased or come to agreement reducing costs ? who knows at this stage. Looking forward to hear who this sponser is. NICK's Kebabs I hear. Sounds like somebody doesnt really want a second division in this country to commence? Why Robbo? Its not going to take anything away from your franchise league.... except quite a few supporters. I'm really looking forward to the NST, the quicker we get in place a pro/reg process in place the better for Australian football. Not sure why you got so upset. maybe I got the sponsors all wrong, maybe it's Stavros painting services. Need to chill a bit mate, it's all a laugh, Melbourne Greeks don't laugh at themselves enough. Wow, I didnt realise you were for promotion/relegation... Does that mean you believe Aleague franchises would survive playing in the NPL or lower? I would love to see some of the front of shirt sponsorship deals in a couple of seasons time...... Why wouldn't I be interested in pro/reg, this is what happens in the football world I follow. I want what is best for football in this country, if that means no Sydney FC, which I doubt as they have an average attendances of 15K, which is 4 times better than Sth Melbourne's peak, I'm ok, because I want football to grow. You, however, unlike Ange, it's Sth Melbourne or nothing. In the football world you follow do they get promoted or relegated based on attendance? Fark dude that is grim. is that an American thing?... What a strange football world you follow, next thing you know your going to tell me they have add breaks during games, they play some teams twice and others three times depending on what the tv cameraman wants and recently decided against ranking teams on the table (or do plastics still call it the ladder?) based on goal difference first because scoring goals is NOT the way a match is decided? hahahahaha what a farce. The BEST for football in this country? Yukkkk!!! thats gross. As for Mr Posta ... the guy is an employee mate.. He is forging ahead with his career, good luck to him.. If he comes to Melbourne in August and doesn't show his face down at Lakeside and bring at least a dozen players to attend a training session with the juniors and a practice match he can go get farked for all i care.
South Melbourne Hellas for life ... everything else is an illusion, NOBODY is more important than the club. Appreciate your passion for the club, but football in this country is so much more than Sth Melbourne & the playthings for some Greek Australians. There was 30K at the Derby at the weekend, the crowd went nuts when SFC scored in the last minute, where would FA throw that out the widow. I'm all for pro/reg, but Sydney FC is well bankrolled, plays in a great stadium, has got a great academy, why would I expect them to relegated. The BIG clubs don't get relegated. The club is EVERYTHING Robbo, this seems to be the sticking point for where you and I disagree (your feeble attempts at casual racism aside). No clubs, no football its simple. Why do you think JJ made it a key principle of the XI and why this NST is being launched? The FOOTBALL CLUB is what facilitates the sport to be available to fans, players, administrators, managers physios etc etc... There are huge clubs, and middle sized clubs, even tiny little clubs... they all have their volunteers and followers.... Even when they do get relegated (and sure maybe your club is well bankrolled and has a good stadium .... but fortunes change ... never say never as Sutho said) the people at the club remain the same, the community behind the club (whether that is geographic. cultural, religious or horror of all horrors effnik) remains .. Sure the crowds get less the lower down the pyramid you go but it doesn't disappear entirely... Wanting all of these fans in Australia to forget their clubs and focus on the commercialised shiny plastic franchises at the top is unrealistic, why would they kill their clubs to cater to someone else's corporate greed? Thats what the new dawn fails to understand though (in my opinion) Football in this country is ONLY South Melbourne, or Marconi or Woy Woy Warriors, or Nar Nar Goon Wombats or whatever... The club is the building block which SHOULD make the pyramid stable.... The 10 bright, shiny, homologous franchises hidden behind a paywall every week arent ALL OF FOOTBALL in Australia (shit I personally dont even think the are football at all but thats another story) all they are doing is trying to skim off support for the game and translate it into revenue.... Thats great for investors but not building anything.... You should know all about casual racism, your comments on Middle eastern countries owning clubs in Australia & England. I fully understand your passion & appreciate it. I have no issues with this, you confuse me. I'm a very passionate for Sydney FC & even more so for Socceroos, but I love football & don't hate a player eg Ronaldo, just because I follow Liverpool. This is our difference. I have many friends who follow football as tribalism & that is fine, just not me. I see SFC & WSW having great academy players, Melb City having a great Football academy setup, Western United building a stadium, Adelaide United producing a large amount of future Socceroos, so I see some A-League clubs building lots of things, but you just get blinded by your love for Sth Melb club & the clashes with other Vic NPL clubs with European history. As you guys gather I'm not into going back and forth - but I can only pass on my own observations, experience and outlook. In bold can't deny that after 20yrs academies are set up and other building blocks slowly slowly up rising thank christ for that but ? Naturally there will always be up and coming promising young players, were a sporting nation as they say no matter the system for you sure would bloody well hope we see something growing. Great is a bit OTT until proven towards their peak and I'm still waiting for those late model HK/Dukes etc as you have mentioned many times in the past robbos that I agree. There are crickets in that department to this day but yer there's the ongoing watch this space how many times. There is plenty academy players but yer, com si com sa we're still waiting like people do for the next coming of Christ for those inclined. So whilst all this background APL work carries on into the future where is/will the ironed supporter come from I ask ahead ? Next new dawners ? next new migrant families ? Seriously where and when will most of the APL clubs have a sustainable model comp and feel like a true traditional Club most football supporters honestly relate to ? that to this day can't buy most of the thousands and thousands actively engaged attending games as a player or spectator going to their games Saturday/Sunday who are football people. Its frustrating to say the least, I'd sooner were all together as we agree but the resistance is both sides and one day maybe way too late the hand will be forced once again and probably that far down the rabbit hole football will always be a disjointed bitter entangled sport never to get its act together as a true football model and togetherness. It sure won't with what we currently have. I totally agree with you in regards to the APL & their incompetence, their inability to engage football people is deplorable. I know I started with 30-40 football fans following the A-League & now down to a handful. Can we agree on that. However, it's not all doom & gloom, as I pointed out in my post. I was also there on Sat night & the atmosphere was as good as any game I have seen in Europe. I hope the NST can help create a pro/reg of pyramid of football in this country. The A-League working with the NST. However, you read these But if you want to go back to Greek, Italian, Croatian, Serbian clubs in Australia, well not sure that will work. Well that worked well, I visited the site of the old Apia Football clubhouse, now beautiful high level town houses, some Italians made some great investments there. I don't think its their inability engaging with the countless football supporters that plain and simple are not interested in the comp. The derbies are the only ones getting the vibe but as an outing for most, for where are the balance of them rest of the games/competition. IF afler's and nrlers keep turning up to their home games why can't the AL Club supporters after all the years of bubble and squeak/$$/coverage ? its not about the top management its the product not pulling in and devoted supporters. Whilst you were at the derby I was at my sons place who entertained us and his inlaws and fam my daughter inlaws BDay, we had the derby on the vision but talking away at the dinner table, the bro inlaws/cousins all regular footballers and ages don't go to AL games but couldn't wait for Spurs/Toons all sat and watched whereas no matter the derby but passing interest, how many of us do the same. Thats the AL dilemma - but the neutrals turning up just for the derby. What other scenarios are there. robbos no one is asking for the ol days, we are asking for new and better structured days that entails what we have playing semi pro last 20yrs, thats our foundations plain and simple and so very very different pre AL. Its time to move on from the oild train of thought and as mentioned bring on the NST for thats the next long awaited sugar hit for us following the game 24/7 but not AL. Its a plus IF the NST gets some fair crowds for the game overall compared what they have had last 20yrs - thats a win win. Like I said you are preaching to the preached, I use to attend SFC with 25-30 diehard SFC fans, on the weekend there was only 4 of us left at the game. So YES I agree the product is struggling, I blame the Management because of the poor decision making. If you watch the games especially SFC, they are playing football of quality level (please consider playing are oly on 200K to 1mill a year). This is the best standard of football I have seen in Australia top tier in my life. So the product is there, just not the marketing or the structure & especially the management. Hopefully the NST will bring about change & I'm hoping it does, I want a proper pyramid in football for this we are on the same page. I would love to see these teams battle out for promotion into the A-League. The crowds are pretty pathetic at present, though Sydney is averaging 15K, it's still much better than the NSL, even at it's peak. hey mate, thanks for the reply I know you have the best interest for the game here as we both have just different POV's how we get there. I still put aside its the management specifically for its always more than that. Sure (AL/APL) they play a more structured possession game thank christ for that but thats overall progress since hoofball days so obviously it looks better. As a neutral more and more now of the game at that level its not exciting to me and I'm not alone. I still find it clunky, fundamental errors galore, shabby this shabby that, pass back pass back, sideways sideways then a highlight. As mentioned only derbies like last week bring in a crowd the rest is still a flip of a coin, do I watch or not or do I head down to a NPL game. My grown sons and mates are starting to attend more NPL games (go to FFACup games) again and are hanging for the NST, the huge % of devoted football supporters GenX/Z's don't rate APL at all let alone connect with it. Hence even IF APL management got their heads on won't pull in the big % of devoted football supporters, its got a huge void they can't fill no matter which way you look at it. Seriously after 20yrs how long do you flog a product waiting for success. NST won't bring a huge change in the big picture but warm up bringing many out of the cold who luv NPL, invested football followers/those who engage in the sport last 20yrs at grass roots and Snrs that touch wood going Pro will finally start having a decent product/comp alot more people relate to. We can only wait and see what becomes and I will be there with bells on paying for my tickets and eat plenty so the Club can benefit some of my $'s. As for crowds, NST is no AL/APL product with all the bells and whistles it had, lets get realistic, just us average mugs who are not expecting those over priced large stadiums and battle 15k + crowds - small steps mate fingers crossed it gets somewhere for football here needs another mighty mighty rebuild and I think working from the lower makes more sense than top down and more affordable for the product/game itself. I think we are both on the same page, maybe even same as Mono, that there is a huge disconnect between the A-League clubs to grassroots football & why I'm hoping that the NST will bring it all closer together, but that doesn't seem to be the case. But we all have our own poison, I already follow my local grassroots club every week, having a beer with boys, watching lads I graded years ago running in the first team. I also follow Derby in the also rans of football in England, I actually wish the top 6 clubs would piss off into a Euro Super league, I've been following Derby in League 1 & Luongo & Burgess at Ipswich in the championship, so much unpredictably, so much more fun, unlike the top 6 of the PL & it's huge funds, whether they are state funded or American Hedge funds funded. As you know I have followed football for 40-50 years now in this country & while I never had a club in the NSL that I felt a connection to, too many agendas & affiliations of old Europe, I did attend many matches especially Apia, mainly following friends than the teams & I always followed the players especially those who donned the green & gold. I do have an affiliation with Sydney FC & unfortunately I have seen it's demise over that last few years, but I do stand by them. However I stand with my statement the standard now is better than it ever has been in this country. However, I think football in this country will never reach it's potential has it has too many agendas & too much infighting for this to happen. At least not in my lifetime. Like you I have always thought that the AFL is the biggest enemy & it's media arm, but that doesn't matter because we are fighting ourselves more often than not.
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Rumours that the bye may still be on https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/8608469/record-breaking-night-for-apostolos-stamatelopoulos-at-newcastle-jets/?cs=6160A consortium of Melbourne-based businessmen, previously with links to Western United, are poised to step in and assume ownership of the Newcastle Jets.
Shane Mattiske, however, said it was too early to declare that a deal was finalised.
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Wonder if they were told about next seasons central funding before ?  https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/8619834/?
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I dont have a subscription, does it mention the price agreed? Im guessing somewhere between the $1 Perth sold for and the $25 mill the APL values the licenses at?
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+xI dont have a subscription, does it mention the price agreed? Im guessing somewhere between the $1 Perth sold for and the $25 mill the APL values the licenses at? $1.50?
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+x+xI dont have a subscription, does it mention the price agreed? Im guessing somewhere between the $1 Perth sold for and the $25 mill the APL values the licenses at? $1.50? Are you going for the showcase with Larry Emdur? hahahahahahahah I reackon $1.25. lol
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toooo much !
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on a side note being the thread is of expansion blahblah..... Obviously things are hotting up APL wise - I noticed that article was from Code Sports. I had interest in hearing the Adam Peacock series SAVING FOOTBALL but ffs you got to subscribe for that as well. $10 a/m, is this worth it by any users ? What a piss off, anything you want to listen to cost you ffs.
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