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+x+x+x+xhe's surely sacked? we cant get past Indonesia? time the scrap them all and start again. Rebuild the relationship with Irankunda. I don't have a lot of faith in the FA making difficult decisions if only because changing may cost and take effort. I hope so though because this result is a balls up. Can I ask what difficult decisions FA have shirked that leads you to that conclusion? There has been a narrative from Merrick that we don't have the players. I disagree with that. Our players were enough to qualify. Our coaching was poor. If you're looking at the wrong issue I doubt it'll be fixed. There isn't a lot of scrutiny on this. Easier and cheaper to keep the status quo. That was the narrative for the senior team wasnt it? Seems reasonable for the senior team since we have 0 big 5 regulara (hopefully about to change). If he said that about the olyroos id disagree
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+x+xThe discourse seems again on social media that the players are the problem and not coach and overall preparation that goes with it should I be surprised though… Not sure where FA will go from here with this, but if they were to appoint a new coach then it should be one that has Asian football experience, someone who can navigate the challenges of Asian football. The players could be only good as the coaches who train them in under pressure tournaments.
Indonesia’s coach is South Korean, even the Qatar coach is from Portugal it doesn’t have to local if they don’t have the experience. I don't see that. Everybody is blaming the coach. The article released from Robbie Slater blaming "the lack of talent" is getting flamed by everybody. He is an old-head with tall-poppy syndrome. I imagine he didn't watch any of the games and is acting on his confirmation bias, not to mention he is one of the boys with Vidmar. I actually came here to say that I'm happy with the response from the public not blaming the players and the lack of talent. It's very evident we would have higher chances and with a bit of luck could qualify with a full-strength squad and also goes to show the importance some of these made-unavailable Euro players are to their respective clubs. It's no surprise the Euros that were selected like Youlley, Italiano, Kuol, Toure etc, don't play. Even though youthful Euro moves provide different challenges for the junior team availability, the Socceroos will reap the rewards in a lot of cases and that's the most important thing. We just need to attack junior teams from a different angle because it's a re-occurring problem and also need coaches that can utilise the talent available with an Asian tournament able system. Ive seen both parties being blamed on twitter. A league reddit mostly blaming the coach. I want to nuance my blaming the coach. Its not his fault he got the job or that youth sides are wrongly used to develop coaches
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+x+xThe discourse seems again on social media that the players are the problem and not coach and overall preparation that goes with it should I be surprised though… Not sure where FA will go from here with this, but if they were to appoint a new coach then it should be one that has Asian football experience, someone who can navigate the challenges of Asian football. The players could be only good as the coaches who train them in under pressure tournaments.
Indonesia’s coach is South Korean, even the Qatar coach is from Portugal it doesn’t have to local if they don’t have the experience. I don't see that. Everybody is blaming the coach. The article released from Robbie Slater blaming "the lack of talent" is getting flamed by everybody. He is an old-head with tall-poppy syndrome. I imagine he didn't watch any of the games and is acting on his confirmation bias, not to mention he is one of the boys with Vidmar. I actually came here to say that I'm happy with the response from the public not blaming the players and the lack of talent. It's very evident we would have higher chances and with a bit of luck could qualify with a full-strength squad and also goes to show the importance some of these made-unavailable Euro players are to their respective clubs. It's no surprise the Euros that were selected like Youlley, Italiano, Kuol, Toure etc, don't play. Even though youthful Euro moves provide different challenges for the junior team availability, the Socceroos will reap the rewards in a lot of cases and that's the most important thing. We just need to attack junior teams from a different angle because it's a re-occurring problem and also need coaches that can utilise the talent available with an Asian tournament able system. Yeah well said, a new approach is needed going forward with the coaching ranks. The thinking it needs to be ex Socceroos coaching these teams who understand the meaning of the shirt is outdated. Asian football is not to be messed with which is why we just need the most talented coaches whom can make the most of the talent available and perform at their best as a team. If the best coach is from overseas when I’m all for it we can’t mess around anymore.
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japan dominate possession and territory but south korea land the sucker punch and top the group. Indonesia will face south korea
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Interesting brackets with Japan on path to clash with Saudi Arabia while Uzbekistan will fancy their chances in South Korea's.
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Iraq defeat Saudi putting themselves on the Japan side of the draw. Saudi face either Uzbekistan or Vietnam who'll play a hotly contested game tomorrow.
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+xInteresting brackets with Japan on path to clash with Saudi Arabia while Uzbekistan will fancy their chances in South Korea's. I'm curious to see how indonesia and qatar do against japan and south korea given how we struggled to score
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Agree will be interesting match’s to view. In the meantime re Jnr tournaments and minnows here’s something for our resident Greek MSC to rejoice from their messed up leagues and upheavals their Jnrs winning this !
Olympiakos down AC Milan to win UEFA Youth League final
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+x+x+x+xhe's surely sacked? we cant get past Indonesia? time the scrap them all and start again. Rebuild the relationship with Irankunda. I don't have a lot of faith in the FA making difficult decisions if only because changing may cost and take effort. I hope so though because this result is a balls up. Can I ask what difficult decisions FA have shirked that leads you to that conclusion? There has been a narrative from Merrick that we don't have the players. I disagree with that. Our players were enough to qualify. Our coaching was poor. If you're looking at the wrong issue I doubt it'll be fixed. There isn't a lot of scrutiny on this. Easier and cheaper to keep the status quo. Our coaching was poor ok. Disagree with Merricks comments ok. Doesn't Merrick have some nouse about players and the game with all his experience ? I seem to recall he coached a pretty damn good winning MV. Therefore lets consider all these current players have been coached pretty good through their AL careers to date, from Jnrs to Snrs. Alot of coaching and playing Snr games. Considering we didn't score 1 goal and obviously Vidmars tournament instructions didn't suit, has "individualism" been coached out of these budding up and coming wonders ? Surely there is one or 2 kids who can take on a low block defense dribble past 2 and shoot f ya. Are they trained to stick to the plan like I watch AL week in week out. I have watched Volpato last couple of years take defense's on even score for eg, he was let go by 2 AL clubs.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat happened to Garang Koul? Why is he so bad now? Couldn't dribble and physically disadvantage to everyone. Tbf I've been saying this for ages that Garang isn't as good as we make him out to be. He's physically weak. I remember even when he got picked for the Roos at 17, I was saying Irankunda > Garang and it's not close. Now the gap has become much greater. Garang needs 3+ years before he can contribute as a European winger. Let's see how Irankunda goes OS. Garang has better stats in the A league at a similar age which is the only real comparison you can make. He hasn't played much since leaving which is also likely to happen to Nestory. Nestory himself has struggled this season until Mauk came back. He really thrived when Goodwin (previously) and Mauk feeds him. Bloody hell. Shots fired. When I said we'll have to wait and see how he goes I got piled on. Balin Trev incoming. And bbuoy (I think). You're a brave man. I actually don't think you could fairly assess Garang from this tournament. For the first two games he only got on after the opposition were continually lying on the ground. In the last he looked ok without being a standout until he took a heavy head knock. However, I'm keen on both Garang and Irankunda to have great careers. I'm sick of us all referring to who the next Harry Kewell is. I want people to ask in the future who is the next Garang Kuol or who is the next Nestory Irankunda in the same way as people of my generation of the question about the next Harry Kewell. agree pj but thats the point, we keep or lets agree going back to HK /Dukes and even some of the others back then - I/we getting old so are they but it shows we keep waiting,waiting,waiting,waiting. Been a long time and I actually get sick of hearing wait till this kid makes it as well ! he's the best ever same age as xyz the last 10/15yrs and to date ! I can make it easier for u. No player has an early career of kewell, viduka or aloisi (tho toure is close to aloisi) tho it is hard to compare kewell since he never played nsl. If u remove those three players then the current youth are roughly equaling the early careers of rest of the golden gen and in some positions exceeding them. The attackers are getting better but still down from the benchmark of the golden gen. So we will produce a team better at building up play and equal in defence to the gg but there will still be a gap up top unless a player blooms late Sure Mr HK lets call him the supreme Aussie Outlier, good bar for use nonetheless. Mind you his early development days was all local Sydney metro and his early teens mighty Marconi for some 3/4yrs so lets own some of his development locally untill at 15yrs Leeds picked him up. Remove the icons ok but imo the current ones are not breaking into top leagues no matter how much stat grinding you do very well Grazor and kudos to you I do admire how much you delve deep down whereas I look at players at face value and performance on the pitch moreso. Your mention of "attackers" getting better ? yer ? sorry I see players who are no doubt better on the ball, with the ball but attack ? Well I'm missing something here for what we keep lacking is finish. What attacking mid fiedler is peppering the keeper let alone hitting the net now and then ? 3 games no goals, ooh bad luck posts hit sure you get that BUT again where are the attacking midfielders taking on defense's ? openning holes a plenty ? having a cracking shot on goal more than not let alone splitting backlines so as one of our strikers put it away ? We lack this forever at Snr NT levels AND we're still lacking it through these new gens by the look of it. So were going to develop a better all round squad than the GG - well I sure as well hope it changes alot more than that afetr all this time.
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+x+x+x+x+xhe's surely sacked? we cant get past Indonesia? time the scrap them all and start again. Rebuild the relationship with Irankunda. I don't have a lot of faith in the FA making difficult decisions if only because changing may cost and take effort. I hope so though because this result is a balls up. Can I ask what difficult decisions FA have shirked that leads you to that conclusion? There has been a narrative from Merrick that we don't have the players. I disagree with that. Our players were enough to qualify. Our coaching was poor. If you're looking at the wrong issue I doubt it'll be fixed. There isn't a lot of scrutiny on this. Easier and cheaper to keep the status quo. Our coaching was poor ok. Disagree with Merricks comments ok. Doesn't Merrick have some nouse about players and the game with all his experience ? I seem to recall he coached a pretty damn good winning MV. Therefore lets consider all these current players have been coached pretty good through their AL careers to date, from Jnrs to Snrs. Alot of coaching and playing Snr games. Considering we didn't score 1 goal and obviously Vidmars tournament instructions didn't suit, has "individualism" been coached out of these budding up and coming wonders ? Surely there is one or 2 kids who can take on a low block defense dribble past 2 and shoot f ya. Are they trained to stick to the plan like I watch AL week in week out. I have watched Volpato last couple of years take defense's on even score for eg, he was let go by 2 AL clubs. If Toure & co had their shooting boots on, then we would have gotten out of the group stage. Oh & Vidmar needed to select Irankunda - end of.
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Oh the IF - didn’t happen over 3games. As you know that’s a marathon plus. No team is a one man player who didn’t get selected.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat happened to Garang Koul? Why is he so bad now? Couldn't dribble and physically disadvantage to everyone. Tbf I've been saying this for ages that Garang isn't as good as we make him out to be. He's physically weak. I remember even when he got picked for the Roos at 17, I was saying Irankunda > Garang and it's not close. Now the gap has become much greater. Garang needs 3+ years before he can contribute as a European winger. Let's see how Irankunda goes OS. Garang has better stats in the A league at a similar age which is the only real comparison you can make. He hasn't played much since leaving which is also likely to happen to Nestory. Nestory himself has struggled this season until Mauk came back. He really thrived when Goodwin (previously) and Mauk feeds him. Bloody hell. Shots fired. When I said we'll have to wait and see how he goes I got piled on. Balin Trev incoming. And bbuoy (I think). You're a brave man. I actually don't think you could fairly assess Garang from this tournament. For the first two games he only got on after the opposition were continually lying on the ground. In the last he looked ok without being a standout until he took a heavy head knock. However, I'm keen on both Garang and Irankunda to have great careers. I'm sick of us all referring to who the next Harry Kewell is. I want people to ask in the future who is the next Garang Kuol or who is the next Nestory Irankunda in the same way as people of my generation of the question about the next Harry Kewell. agree pj but thats the point, we keep or lets agree going back to HK /Dukes and even some of the others back then - I/we getting old so are they but it shows we keep waiting,waiting,waiting,waiting. Been a long time and I actually get sick of hearing wait till this kid makes it as well ! he's the best ever same age as xyz the last 10/15yrs and to date ! I can make it easier for u. No player has an early career of kewell, viduka or aloisi (tho toure is close to aloisi) tho it is hard to compare kewell since he never played nsl. If u remove those three players then the current youth are roughly equaling the early careers of rest of the golden gen and in some positions exceeding them. The attackers are getting better but still down from the benchmark of the golden gen. So we will produce a team better at building up play and equal in defence to the gg but there will still be a gap up top unless a player blooms late Sure Mr HK lets call him the supreme Aussie Outlier, good bar for use nonetheless. Mind you his early development days was all local Sydney metro and his early teens mighty Marconi for some 3/4yrs so lets own some of his development locally untill at 15yrs Leeds picked him up. Remove the icons ok but imo the current ones are not breaking into top leagues no matter how much stat grinding you do very well Grazor and kudos to you I do admire how much you delve deep down whereas I look at players at face value and performance on the pitch moreso. Your mention of "attackers" getting better ? yer ? sorry I see players who are no doubt better on the ball, with the ball but attack ? Well I'm missing something here for what we keep lacking is finish. What attacking mid fiedler is peppering the keeper let alone hitting the net now and then ? 3 games no goals, ooh bad luck posts hit sure you get that BUT again where are the attacking midfielders taking on defense's ? openning holes a plenty ? having a cracking shot on goal more than not let alone splitting backlines so as one of our strikers put it away ? We lack this forever at Snr NT levels AND we're still lacking it through these new gens by the look of it. So were going to develop a better all round squad than the GG - well I sure as well hope it changes alot more than that afetr all this time. Most of our best olyroos aren't available which is an issue though I would still claim some of the selected squad have a good chance I think this is worth its own thread as I ended up doing a bunch of digging into history to make my case
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+x+x+x+x+xhe's surely sacked? we cant get past Indonesia? time the scrap them all and start again. Rebuild the relationship with Irankunda. I don't have a lot of faith in the FA making difficult decisions if only because changing may cost and take effort. I hope so though because this result is a balls up. Can I ask what difficult decisions FA have shirked that leads you to that conclusion? There has been a narrative from Merrick that we don't have the players. I disagree with that. Our players were enough to qualify. Our coaching was poor. If you're looking at the wrong issue I doubt it'll be fixed. There isn't a lot of scrutiny on this. Easier and cheaper to keep the status quo. Our coaching was poor ok. Disagree with Merricks comments ok. Doesn't Merrick have some nouse about players and the game with all his experience ? I seem to recall he coached a pretty damn good winning MV. Therefore lets consider all these current players have been coached pretty good through their AL careers to date, from Jnrs to Snrs. Alot of coaching and playing Snr games. Considering we didn't score 1 goal and obviously Vidmars tournament instructions didn't suit, has "individualism" been coached out of these budding up and coming wonders ? Surely there is one or 2 kids who can take on a low block defense dribble past 2 and shoot f ya. Are they trained to stick to the plan like I watch AL week in week out. I have watched Volpato last couple of years take defense's on even score for eg, he was let go by 2 AL clubs. It's an interesting comment about individuality. I remember the Toure brothers old man saying something along those lines. Encouraged his boys to show their personalties on the field because no-one else was encouraging it. I reckon Irankunda would have helped. Our defence held up and Irankunda is good for some goals. There were obviously other issues too and not trying to say he's the saviour. He may have also struggled in Vidmars system but we'd have had better odds with him out there imo. Most of our players who could unpick a defence were left in Europe or injured. Volpato, Robertson, Bos, Nieuwenhof all would have been handy.
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No entry for U20 Asian Cup 2025 yet. Wouldn't mind hosting that. Top 4 go to U20 WC 2025 in Chile.
We're onto the women's Asian Cup which is ok but I'd love to host an U20 tournament.
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Guinea beat Indonesia 1:0 to qualifying for the Olympics.
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+xGuinea beat Indonesia 1:0 to qualifying for the Olympics. Shame would have been a nice fairy tale story
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+xGuinea beat Indonesia 1:0 to qualifying for the Olympics. Mo Toure might get a call up - he's not locked in with us yet
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+x+xGuinea beat Indonesia 1:0 to qualifying for the Olympics. Mo Toure might get a call up - he's not locked in with us yet He can't because he represented Australia in the same U23 cycle
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U20 Domestic Training Camphttps://www.socceroos.com.au/news/subway-young-socceroos-squad-named-domestic-training-campNAME | POSITION | CLUB | JUNIOR FOOTBALL CLUB | Alexander BADOLATO | Midfielder | Western Sydney Wanderers FC | Sylvania Heights / Football NSW | Nathan BARRIE | Defender | Western Sydney Wanderers FC | Seaforth FC / Football NSW | Linus BOURKE | Defender | Melbourne Victory FC | Murray United / Football Victoria | Adam BUGARIJA | Midfielder | Western Sydney Wanderers FC | St. Bernadetta FC / Football NSW | Max CAPUTO | Attacker | Melbourne City FC | Essendon Royals SC / Football VIC | Zachary DE JESUS | Defender | Sydney FC | Lakeside Lions / Football NSW | Frans DELI | Midfielder | Macarthur FC | Fairfield Hotspurs FC / Football NSW | Emin DURAKOVIC | Midfielder | Melbourne City FC | Port Melbourne Sharks / Football VIC | Taiga HARPER | Goalkeeper | Western Sydney Wanderers FC | Kashiwa Reysol (Japan) | Jesse HOEY | Forward | Melbourne Victory FC | FC Bulleen Lions / Football VIC | Riley HOLLINGDALE | Midfielder | Western Sydney Wanderers FC | Sutherland Sharks / Football NSW | Joshua INSERRA | Defender | Melbourne Victory FC | Fawkner SC / Football VIC | Luka JOVANOVIC | Attacker | Adelaide United FC | Fk Beograd / Football SA | Adriano LEBIB | Defender | Perth Glory FC | Dianella White Eagles FC / Football West | Zach LISOLAJSKI | Defender | Western United FC | Sydenham Park SC / Football VIC | Jake NAJDOVSKI | Forward | Western United FC | Spring Hills FC / Football Victoria | Tiago QUINTAL | Forward | Sydney FC | Baulkham Hills FC / Football NSW | Kane RAZMOVSKI | Midfielder | Melbourne Victory FC | Altona Soccer Club / Football VIC | Alexander ROBINSON | Goalkeeper | Macarthur Bulls FC | Mt Druitt Town Rangers / Football NSW | Zane SCHREIBER | Midfielder | Melbourne City FC | Bomaderry SC / Football NSW | Arion SULEMANI | Forward | Melbourne City FC | Dandenong Thunder FC / Football VIC | Fabian TALLADIRA | Midfielder | Adelaide United FC | Adelaide City FC / Football NSW | Musa TOURE | Forward | Adelaide United FC | Adelaide United FC / Football NSW | Ben VAN DORSSEN | Defender | Newcastle Jets FC | Lambton Jaffas / NNSW Football | Luke VICKERY | Forward | Western United FC | Ashburton United FC / Football VIC | Thomas WADDINGHAM | Attacker | Brisbane Roar FC | Edge Hill United FC / Football QLD | Marcus YOUNIS | Midfielder | Western Sydney Wanderers FC | North Rocks SC / Football NSW | Jonny YULL | Midfielder | Adelaide United FC | West Torrens Birkalla SC / Football SA |
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+xU20 Domestic Training Camphttps://www.socceroos.com.au/news/subway-young-socceroos-squad-named-domestic-training-campNAME | POSITION | CLUB | JUNIOR FOOTBALL CLUB | Alexander BADOLATO | Midfielder | Western Sydney Wanderers FC | Sylvania Heights / Football NSW | Nathan BARRIE | Defender | Western Sydney Wanderers FC | Seaforth FC / Football NSW | Linus BOURKE | Defender | Melbourne Victory FC | Murray United / Football Victoria | Adam BUGARIJA | Midfielder | Western Sydney Wanderers FC | St. Bernadetta FC / Football NSW | Max CAPUTO | Attacker | Melbourne City FC | Essendon Royals SC / Football VIC | Zachary DE JESUS | Defender | Sydney FC | Lakeside Lions / Football NSW | Frans DELI | Midfielder | Macarthur FC | Fairfield Hotspurs FC / Football NSW | Emin DURAKOVIC | Midfielder | Melbourne City FC | Port Melbourne Sharks / Football VIC | Taiga HARPER | Goalkeeper | Western Sydney Wanderers FC | Kashiwa Reysol (Japan) | Jesse HOEY | Forward | Melbourne Victory FC | FC Bulleen Lions / Football VIC | Riley HOLLINGDALE | Midfielder | Western Sydney Wanderers FC | Sutherland Sharks / Football NSW | Joshua INSERRA | Defender | Melbourne Victory FC | Fawkner SC / Football VIC | Luka JOVANOVIC | Attacker | Adelaide United FC | Fk Beograd / Football SA | Adriano LEBIB | Defender | Perth Glory FC | Dianella White Eagles FC / Football West | Zach LISOLAJSKI | Defender | Western United FC | Sydenham Park SC / Football VIC | Jake NAJDOVSKI | Forward | Western United FC | Spring Hills FC / Football Victoria | Tiago QUINTAL | Forward | Sydney FC | Baulkham Hills FC / Football NSW | Kane RAZMOVSKI | Midfielder | Melbourne Victory FC | Altona Soccer Club / Football VIC | Alexander ROBINSON | Goalkeeper | Macarthur Bulls FC | Mt Druitt Town Rangers / Football NSW | Zane SCHREIBER | Midfielder | Melbourne City FC | Bomaderry SC / Football NSW | Arion SULEMANI | Forward | Melbourne City FC | Dandenong Thunder FC / Football VIC | Fabian TALLADIRA | Midfielder | Adelaide United FC | Adelaide City FC / Football NSW | Musa TOURE | Forward | Adelaide United FC | Adelaide United FC / Football NSW | Ben VAN DORSSEN | Defender | Newcastle Jets FC | Lambton Jaffas / NNSW Football | Luke VICKERY | Forward | Western United FC | Ashburton United FC / Football VIC | Thomas WADDINGHAM | Attacker | Brisbane Roar FC | Edge Hill United FC / Football QLD | Marcus YOUNIS | Midfielder | Western Sydney Wanderers FC | North Rocks SC / Football NSW | Jonny YULL | Midfielder | Adelaide United FC | West Torrens Birkalla SC / Football SA |
Interesting how many names i havent heard of Weird bennie not selected. Quite a few others got a league minutes not selected. I have slightly more faith in morgan than vidmar since he finished 4th for the olyroos
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Apparently the u20 team is a strong cohort and i'm familiar with some of the players there, others I dont know well but I was impressed in how they played against the likes of England and Portugal and displayed a technical level similar to them which was encouraging.
I agree surprised Bennie is not there unless he will play in the a-league all stars or is injured? Assuming Irankunda will be there too?
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Valkanis from AEK Athens could be a player, is this the first time he has been included?
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+xValkanis from AEK Athens could be a player, is this the first time he has been included? Second time included but withdrew due to injury last time. He's a talented player.
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This has to be a record for senior minutes from this age group at least in the a league era
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Is Younis injured? Otherwise unlucky to miss out.
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MATCH DETAILSSubway Young Socceroos v Uruguay
Wednesday, 5 June 2024
Complejo Uruguay Celeste, Montevideo
Kick-off: 10.00am local / 11.00pm AEST
Subway Young Socceroos v Chile
Saturday, 8 June 2024
Estadio Municipal Nicolás Chahuán Nazar, La Calera
Kick-off: 4.00pm local / 6.00am AEST (Sunday, 9 June)
Subway Young Socceroos v Chile
Tuesday, 11 June 2024
ANFP Federacion de Futbol de Chile, Santiago
Kick-off: 5.00pm local / 7.00am AEST (Wednesday, 12 June)
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The Joeys and Young Socceroos have been drawn into their respective groups for the 2024 ASEAN Boys Championship U16's and U19's tournaments.
U16 Joeys Group
Australia
Malaysia
Thailand
Timor-Leste
U19 Young Socceroos Group
Australia
Laos
Myanmar
Vietnam
We should win both tournaments comfortably. Will be interesting to see the squads for each tournament. I believe we will bring a close to full-strength Joeys squad, but a lower-tier Young Socceroos squad.
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