A-Leagues financial crisis: Club funding slashed as TV deal tanks


A-Leagues financial crisis: Club funding slashed as TV deal tanks

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The Australian Professional Leagues (APL) board is set to confirm a huge cut to the central distribution fund, derived from TV rights and commercial revenue, from $2 million this season to just $1 million in 2024-25. The 50 per cent reduction in payment to clubs will cover just over one third of the A-League Men’s salary cap of $2.6 million.

CODE Sports understands the APL received as little as $5 million in cash from its TV rights deal this season, announced just three years ago as a $30 million per year deal, after production costs were factored in and penalties around benchmark subscription rates not met.

The APL has two years remaining on its five-year deal with Ten/Paramount+.

The dramatic reduction in payment to A-League clubs, many of whom are already cash strapped, lays bare the APL’s financial plight. By comparison, most AFL clubs and all NRL clubs receive central payments totalling more than 100 per cent of their respective salary caps.

The $140 million private equity injection from Silver Lake - announced less than three years ago - has been spent, although the US firm maintains a position on the APL board and will be involved in the future direction of finances in today’s meeting.

The bleak outlook comes at a galling time for the domestic competition after a high quality weekend of on-field action where Sydney FC won the A-League Women’s grand final, Melbourne Victory won an epic elimination final against rivals Melbourne City on penalties and Central Coast Mariners became just the second Australian team to win an Asian club continental title by lifting the AFC Cup.

The news also arrives at a time when Newcastle United is without an owner, the license for Perth Glory was sold for just $1 and the anticipated introduction of a Canberra men’s team remains in doubt.

How clubs navigate the off-season and set budgets for 2024-25 is uncertain, with sales of young Australian prospects, like the reported $3 million Adelaide United received from Bayern Munich for Nestory Irankunda, set to be the saving grace for clubs equipped to develop talent, a topic covered in today’s episode of Saving Football: Elite Development.

Until now, the central distribution fund underpinned all A-League clubs’ bottom lines, with a former club executive telling CODE Sports it has “always been the No.1 revenue stream.”

The A-League Men’s salary cap is set at $2.6 million, although at least another $3 million is needed per club, per season to cover costs such as coaching, support staff and logistics. Another $1 million annually is required to field an A-League Women’s team.

Next season’s distribution figure of around $1 million is nearly a 70 per cent reduction from less than a decade ago, when each club received more than $3 million per season when the A-Leagues were under Football Australia control. The figure was $2.4 million last July but cut to $2 million in August, just weeks after clubs had already set budgets for the current season.

The APL’s financial state caps a torrid three years after it secured separation from Football Australia, following a bitter six-year political battle that saw the Lowy family walk away from the game in 2018, just 13 years removed from the creation of the A-League under chairman Frank Lowy.

The clubs agitated for change, arguing they had no control over their own destiny.

The APL promised a new dawn when the breakaway was confirmed in December 2020 and a year later, with the $140 million from Silver Lake confirmed, then-CEO Danny Townsend told CODE Sports: “You’ll blow through that money quickly if you’re not careful. It’s about spending it wisely and doing it in a structured way like any other business.”

A series of strategic mis-steps, most notably the reported $50 million spent on the now defunct digital arm KeepUp, has sent the APL into a spiral financially.

Townsend left the APL last October, replaced by Nick Garcia, while inaugural chairman Paul Lederer stood down and was replaced by former Labor federal minister Stephen Conroy.

Garcia and Conroy, tasked with cleaning up the mess, will deliver the harsh news to clubs today.

Under Conroy’s leadership, along with Football Australia’s new chairman Anter Isaac, the once-fractious relationship between the APL and FA is improving; a crucial development given the A-Leagues are the major pipelines for developing future Socceroos and Matildas.

Football Australia CEO James Johnson said the governing body is committed to helping the APL through its current troubles.

“We are in very positive dialogue with the APL,” Johnson told CODE Sports earlier this month. “We are here to help. Might have been frosty a few years ago. Not now.”
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that k unt... in saudi arabia or wherever he is should be brought back...weasle 

these top end corporates always get away with destroying something and moving on to next ay day while everyone else suffers 
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tsf - 7 May 2024 9:18 AM
that k unt... in saudi arabia or wherever he is should be brought back...weasle 

these top end corporates always get away with destroying something and moving on to next ay day while everyone else suffers 

The rest of Repucom gang are still here, sucking it dry. 

Probably enacting their own escape plans as we type
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tsf - 7 May 2024 9:18 AM
that k unt... in saudi arabia or wherever he is should be brought back...weasle 

these top end corporates always get away with destroying something and moving on to next ay day while everyone else suffers 

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They'll need to look at getting out of that deal early. I read something on here that may happen this year? Or am I misremembering. That's unsustainable for another 5-years. All clubs would need to re-structure. 
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Quicky - 7 May 2024 10:03 AM
They'll need to look at getting out of that deal early. I read something on here that may happen this year? Or am I misremembering. That's unsustainable for another 5-years. All clubs would need to re-structure. 

Clubs re-structuring is probably a good thing. No point pretending things are the same as they were a decade ago. 
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Quicky - 7 May 2024 10:03 AM
They'll need to look at getting out of that deal early. I read something on here that may happen this year? Or am I misremembering. That's unsustainable for another 5-years. All clubs would need to re-structure. 

They should be carefull what they wish for mate, who else is going to pay to broadcast soccer in Australia? At least enough to distribute 12 million to franchises anyway?

Theyll end up having to live of whatever handouts the FA can afford... Lets hope they dont take anything away from the championship budgets. 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 7 May 2024 10:39 AM
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They should be carefull what they wish for mate, who else is going to pay to broadcast soccer in Australia? At least enough to distribute 12 million to franchises anyway?

Theyll end up having to live of whatever handouts the FA can afford... Lets hope they dont take anything away from the championship budgets. 

Is it possible they can have a league the second division npl all on YouTube? Feel like that would be something a subscription that gives you heaps of football 
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Melbcityguy - 7 May 2024 10:43 AM
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Is it possible they can have a league the second division npl all on YouTube? Feel like that would be something a subscription that gives you heaps of football 

Stephen Lowey predicted this would happen , taking the money admin away from the people that understand money letting the clubs have free rein and Silver lakes $130mil blown mostly on an app that nobody could find .
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notarobot - 7 May 2024 11:10 AM
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Stephen Lowey predicted this would happen , taking the money admin away from the people that understand money letting the clubs have free rein and Silver lakes $130mil blown mostly on an app that nobody could find .
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The Lowey family surely wouldn't have set up the APL to fail would they? They saved soccer in Australia?
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Monoethnic Social Club - 7 May 2024 11:13 AM
notarobot - 7 May 2024 11:10 AM

The Lowey family surely wouldn't have set up the APL to fail would they? They saved soccer in Australia?

In fairness the early days were pretty decent, good marquee players and decent football 
the middle years were average, post Lowy and the past couple have been pretty dire post Fox even though standard of football has improved, the off field issues keep dragging it down.
all the positives heave been overshadowed by multiple own goals 
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notarobot - 7 May 2024 11:10 AM
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Stephen Lowey predicted this would happen , taking the money admin away from the people that understand money letting the clubs have free rein and Silver lakes $130mil blown mostly on an app that nobody could find .
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Lowy didn't predict shit. He didn't read the room and couldn't figure out everyone fucking hated him. On his way out while the door was hitting his arse, he fired off a "you'll be sorry" like any other mope who just got dumped. People make it out to be some Nostradamus moment.
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bohemia - 7 May 2024 5:30 PM
notarobot - 7 May 2024 11:10 AM

Lowy didn't predict shit. He didn't read the room and couldn't figure out everyone fucking hated him. On his way out while the door was hitting his arse, he fired off a "you'll be sorry" like any other mope who just got dumped. People make it out to be some Nostradamus moment.

Not long after all the Aleague advertising began disappearing from Westfields around the country.... And (maybe its just the few that I frequent) Rebel sports stopped carrying Aleague jerseys and merch (at least as many as they used too) 
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Not long after all the Aleague advertising began disappearing from Westfields around the country.... And (maybe its just the few that I frequent) Rebel sports stopped carrying Aleague jerseys and merch (at least as many as they used too) 

That should have been enough to set alarm bells ringing!😲
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bohemia - 7 May 2024 5:30 PM
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Lowy didn't predict shit. He didn't read the room and couldn't figure out everyone fucking hated him. On his way out while the door was hitting his arse, he fired off a "you'll be sorry" like any other mope who just got dumped. People make it out to be some Nostradamus moment.
Well the A-league in a good period was 2013-17 when western Sydney Wanderers just entered the comp.

The A-league and Socceroos package was worth 40 million a year, but it was actually 37 million a year as 3 million a year was spent on advertising.

We also had one free to air game on Friday night too. 

The next tv deal was around 50-60 million a year for like 6 years but that was cut off during the pandemic.

And yet the Lowys and the FFA were poorly running the sport here.

Lookin' at the situation now.... That 2013-17 period was like paradise compared to the current situation now.

Yep the APL have done a bang up job.

Those A-league club owners wanted freedom from the FFA. Well you got it.

The A-league has grown significantly.... Into a joke LoL 


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Well the A-league in a good period was 2013-17 when western Sydney Wanderers just entered the comp.

The A-league and Socceroos package was worth 40 million a year, but it was actually 37 million a year as 3 million a year was spent on advertising.

We also had one free to air game on Friday night too. 

The next tv deal was around 50-60 million a year for like 6 years but that was cut off during the pandemic.

And yet the Lowys and the FFA were poorly running the sport here.

Lookin' at the situation now.... That 2013-17 period was like paradise compared to the current situation now.

Yep the APL have done a bang up job.

Those A-league club owners wanted freedom from the FFA. Well you got it.

The A-league has grown significantly.... Into a joke LoL 


But yet the standard/quality of football has increased 
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Balin Trev - 8 May 2024 8:34 AM
Razor Ramon - 8 May 2024 6:11 AM

But yet the standard/quality of football has increased 

It ain't squat if there's no A-league in 2024-25 right?

We need money in this A-league league or will this A-league league be funded by dole bludgers and Centrelink?

Carn the Centrelink Socceroos! LoL 
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Razor Ramon - 8 May 2024 12:24 PM
Balin Trev - 8 May 2024 8:34 AM

It ain't squat if there's no A-league in 2024-25 right?

We need money in this A-league league or will this A-league league be funded by dole bludgers and Centrelink?

Carn the Centrelink Socceroos! LoL 

Yep but in the past people have said that the financial support will improve when the product improves. 
Football in AL has improved but still no money 

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Balin Trev - 8 May 2024 1:45 PM
Razor Ramon - 8 May 2024 12:24 PM

Yep but in the past people have said that the financial support will improve when the product improves. 
Football in AL has improved but still no money 

I'm not so sure about that. Not saying it's worse, more that it's pretty much stayed the same as it has been for a decade or so. Only difference in the last couple of seasons is we are seeing more young blokes get more minutes. This is a direct result of the cap being reduced.
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Balin Trev - 8 May 2024 1:45 PM
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Yep but in the past people have said that the financial support will improve when the product improves. 
Football in AL has improved but still no money 

8k crowds is good for our wages globally and 12k that we used to have is insane

Need to find a way to have profitable match days. If we do that then wages can increse which should bump crowds up etc
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Balin Trev - 8 May 2024 1:45 PM

8k crowds is good for our wages globally and 12k that we used to have is insane

Need to find a way to have profitable match days. If we do that then wages can increse which should bump crowds up etc

I still dont understand the insistence of higher wages means better attendance??? Havent you all seen what is happening in Saudi Arabia? 

Do you not think that league crowds can be bumped up to 15-20k averages if the actual clubs marketed themselves to their target demographic a bit better and made their customers feel like members and a tribe rather than an income stream???  FFS its not rocket science.. Who cares how dire the football on the park is as long as your lads are on the pitch representing you?... Sheesh look at African and Eastern European leagues with wages no higher than the oranges they get at 1/2 time.... 
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Balin Trev - 8 May 2024 8:34 AM
Razor Ramon - 8 May 2024 6:11 AM

But yet the standard/quality of football has increased 

In who's estimation, yours? 
You and others still don't get it. 80% of the defenders have no idea how and where to position themselves and that's why young players are scoring goals. Move forward and those same players can't get game times o/s because they can't score against good defenders.
I like everyone on here have high hopes for Irankunda and I really hope he can buck the trend of the last decade.
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Balin Trev - 8 May 2024 8:34 AM
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But yet the standard/quality of football has increased 

That's nice to hear. So does that translates to money or more viewers?
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Balin Trev - 8 May 2024 8:34 AM
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But yet the standard/quality of football has increased 

So.... Why isn't the average game getting 20-30,000 a game?

Why isn't there an average 500,000 people watching an average game?
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Razor Ramon - 8 May 2024 5:58 PM
Balin Trev - 8 May 2024 8:34 AM

So.... Why isn't the average game getting 20-30,000 a game?

Why isn't there an average 500,000 people watching an average game?

Good questions that I don’t know answers to. AL crowds/tv subscribers haven’t been the same since covid hit. Now there’s a cost of living crisis. There might be more tv viewers if AL was broadcast by Optus cos they also show EPL - people that pay for Optus for EPL are less likely to pay for Paramount as well just to watch a lesser league?
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Balin Trev - 8 May 2024 6:32 PM
Razor Ramon - 8 May 2024 5:58 PM

Good questions that I don’t know answers to. AL crowds/tv subscribers haven’t been the same since covid hit. Now there’s a cost of living crisis. There might be more tv viewers if AL was broadcast by Optus cos they also show EPL - people that pay for Optus for EPL are less likely to pay for Paramount as well just to watch a lesser league?

again its excuses. 1st off it was the Effnicks.

Then it was the AFL and NRL and even the NBL were sabotaging us lol

Now its covid, the cost of living crisis. The Centrelink Socceroos . 

Everyone on here said free to air was supposed to be the saviour. We got A-league games on SBS , then on ABC , now on channel 10. 

See what the APL should of done with that 40 millon a year from Paramount was actually spend money to Advertise this product.
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Balin Trev - 8 May 2024 6:32 PM
Razor Ramon - 8 May 2024 5:58 PM

Good questions that I don’t know answers to. AL crowds/tv subscribers haven’t been the same since covid hit. Now there’s a cost of living crisis. There might be more tv viewers if AL was broadcast by Optus cos they also show EPL - people that pay for Optus for EPL are less likely to pay for Paramount as well just to watch a lesser league?

I know the answer (or at least I think I do), it is Media. You absolutely need personalities at the top end of the game with strong business and media connections. If not, you will become irrelevant to the mainstream market and the professional game suffers and takes generations to recover.

Football had its golden ticket in the Lowy family. A family with (in my opinion) a genuine love for the game, deep pockets and, most importantly, strong business, political and media connections. It is not surprising what the A-League achieved in that time as a result. We now have a bunch of, in Australian business terms at least, a bunch of executives with little or no influence. Accordingly, the game has fallen off the cliff. 
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Song - 9 May 2024 10:16 AM
Balin Trev - 8 May 2024 6:32 PM

I know the answer (or at least I think I do), it is Media. You absolutely need personalities at the top end of the game with strong business and media connections. If not, you will become irrelevant to the mainstream market and the professional game suffers and takes generations to recover.

Football had its golden ticket in the Lowy family. A family with (in my opinion) a genuine love for the game, deep pockets and, most importantly, strong business, political and media connections. It is not surprising what the A-League achieved in that time as a result. We now have a bunch of, in Australian business terms at least, a bunch of executives with little or no influence. Accordingly, the game has fallen off the cliff. 

song song song - reminds of a radio sketch whilst driving around long ago in Syd.

Mate, in bold
The Lowy fam had genuine luv to line their deep pockets no diff to all bunchs of white collar excutives.
Their deep pockets only cared for their gain and they didn't read the room a shop front needs content and support from beneath whereas a sport such as FOOTBALL needs its poor grass roots foundations the middle to top having connections so as the whole system works together.
It was falling off the cliff pre young Steve he just was the fam sacrificial lamb replaced by their customers - how ironic, they both deserve each other at the bottom of the cliff but the game will and has carried on, look below it survived.



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Song - 9 May 2024 10:16 AM
Balin Trev - 8 May 2024 6:32 PM

I know the answer (or at least I think I do), it is Media. You absolutely need personalities at the top end of the game with strong business and media connections. If not, you will become irrelevant to the mainstream market and the professional game suffers and takes generations to recover.

Football had its golden ticket in the Lowy family. A family with (in my opinion) a genuine love for the game, deep pockets and, most importantly, strong business, political and media connections. It is not surprising what the A-League achieved in that time as a result. We now have a bunch of, in Australian business terms at least, a bunch of executives with little or no influence. Accordingly, the game has fallen off the cliff. 

Sounds about right. They Lowy family had deep pockets to grow the sport in this Nation.  They had strong business, political and business conections. Take that away and look what the a-league is now. Its a poxy league run by unemployed dole bludgers and bums. lol
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Razor Ramon - 8 May 2024 5:58 PM
Balin Trev - 8 May 2024 8:34 AM

So.... Why isn't the average game getting 20-30,000 a game?

Why isn't there an average 500,000 people watching an average game?

How many leagues around the world are averaging 30000 a game ?
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SUTHERLANDBEAR - 8 May 2024 9:43 PM
Razor Ramon - 8 May 2024 5:58 PM

How many leagues around the world are averaging 30000 a game ?

indeed

even in the post covid slump our league is way above average for its wage bill

at the moment we need 16k averages to break even on a wage budget below league 1. This isn't viable as it would mean we are one of the most attended leagues in the world and one of the weakest divisions in the first world. We need to find a way to be profitable with 8k attendance and build by reinvesting profits
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SUTHERLANDBEAR - 8 May 2024 9:43 PM
Razor Ramon - 8 May 2024 5:58 PM

How many leagues around the world are averaging 30000 a game ?

I dont know and I dont care.

The point is the backbone of most Sporting leagues in this current situation is tv rights money.

Again at one point in time, We had a tv deal back in 2017 or 2018 that was worth 346 million over 6 seasons. Thats at least 50-55 million a year. That was good money for the A-league and Socceroos package.

and people on here still complained about it because its not fair. It should be as much as the AFL or NRL tv money lol.

We had a good deal money wise when Foxtel paid money each year for the A-league rights from 2005-21. 

We were better off being looked after by foxtel when they had the EPL rights.



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SUTHERLANDBEAR - 8 May 2024 9:43 PM
Razor Ramon - 8 May 2024 5:58 PM

How many leagues around the world are averaging 30000 a game ?

Why dont you ask how many leagues IN AUSTRALIA are averaging more than 30k a game?

https://www.austadiums.com/sport/comp/afl/crowds#google_vignette AFl at 39K this eyar

even crummy old NRL is north of 20K

https://www.austadiums.com/sport/comp/nrl/crowds

We are a sport mad country but apparently COVID and cost of living only hit Aleague audiences?
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Monoethnic Social Club - 9 May 2024 9:28 AM
SUTHERLANDBEAR - 8 May 2024 9:43 PM

Why dont you ask how many leagues IN AUSTRALIA are averaging more than 30k a game?

https://www.austadiums.com/sport/comp/afl/crowds#google_vignette AFl at 39K this eyar

even crummy old NRL is north of 20K

https://www.austadiums.com/sport/comp/nrl/crowds

We are a sport mad country but apparently COVID and cost of living only hit Aleague audiences?

That wasn't his point though, was it ?
Funny that you are quoting Austadiums for crowds, instead of Wookie ! I also quoted them, but you mocked it.


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SUTHERLANDBEAR - 9 May 2024 10:00 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 9 May 2024 9:28 AM

That wasn't his point though, was it ?
Funny that you are quoting Austadiums for crowds, instead of Wookie ! I also quoted them, but you mocked it.


Fair point, it was just the quickest set of number at hand... Also more so arguing the point that COVID and cost of living are excuses for poor crowds here in Australia, not a direct response to you... my bad. 
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Razor Ramon - 8 May 2024 6:11 AM
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Well the A-league in a good period was 2013-17 when western Sydney Wanderers just entered the comp.

The A-league and Socceroos package was worth 40 million a year, but it was actually 37 million a year as 3 million a year was spent on advertising.

We also had one free to air game on Friday night too. 

The next tv deal was around 50-60 million a year for like 6 years but that was cut off during the pandemic.

And yet the Lowys and the FFA were poorly running the sport here.

Lookin' at the situation now.... That 2013-17 period was like paradise compared to the current situation now.

Yep the APL have done a bang up job.

Those A-league club owners wanted freedom from the FFA. Well you got it.

The A-league has grown significantly.... Into a joke LoL 


Yes the Lowys and FFA were poorly running the sport here... most of the funding and focus was on 10 Australian clubs and the other thousand plus clubs were being neglected grossly... Now the FA can do what it is supposed to do, look after the actual sport for a change.


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Monoethnic Social Club - 8 May 2024 10:16 AM
Razor Ramon - 8 May 2024 6:11 AM

Yes the Lowys and FFA were poorly running the sport here... most of the funding and focus was on 10 Australian clubs and the other thousand plus clubs were being neglected grossly... Now the FA can do what it is supposed to do, look after the actual sport for a change.


From 2013-17 the whole sport package was 40 million a year. So 10 A-league sides means  4 million per club. Hell even 3 million for each was enough.  That left 10 million left to hold on to. If a struggling club like central coast or Newcastle needed 1 or 2 million to survive, at least the cash was there.

Unlike the previous tv deal when from 2016-13 it was like 115-120 million over 7 years

Most of the funding and focus was on those 10 A-league clubs. You know why? Because they were the main reasons and bulk of the value of the sports package.

When the A-league renewed for 2017-8 season onwards, it reached to 60 million a year for 6 years. Thats 6 million per club or 5 million if we expanded to 12 sides.

I am curious how you think the FA or APL will get this sport out of this poo heaps.

No one, not even Foxtel will want the A-league for even 20-30 million a season for 6 or 7 games a round.

Hell not even channel 7 would want it or sbs or ABC would want it if it was for free 


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Razor Ramon - 8 May 2024 5:49 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 8 May 2024 10:16 AM

From 2013-17 the whole sport package was 40 million a year. So 10 A-league sides means  4 million per club. Hell even 3 million for each was enough.  That left 10 million left to hold on to. If a struggling club like central coast or Newcastle needed 1 or 2 million to survive, at least the cash was there.

Unlike the previous tv deal when from 2016-13 it was like 115-120 million over 7 years

Most of the funding and focus was on those 10 A-league clubs. You know why? Because they were the main reasons and bulk of the value of the sports package.

When the A-league renewed for 2017-8 season onwards, it reached to 60 million a year for 6 years. Thats 6 million per club or 5 million if we expanded to 12 sides.

I am curious how you think the FA or APL will get this sport out of this poo heaps.

No one, not even Foxtel will want the A-league for even 20-30 million a season for 6 or 7 games a round.

Hell not even channel 7 would want it or sbs or ABC would want it if it was for free 


Sorry I was talking about football in Australia, not the fiances of 10 foreign owned franchises.... The Football federation of a country (any country) is mandated to administer the sport and make sure funding exists for national team setups, coaching, ALL of the country's various league administrations and to ensure we comply with FIFA mandates around participation, inclusion and development... Two totally different things...



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Melbcityguy - 7 May 2024 10:43 AM

Stephen Lowey predicted this would happen , taking the money admin away from the people that understand money letting the clubs have free rein and Silver lakes $130mil blown mostly on an app that nobody could find .
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Is it possible they can have a league the second division npl all on YouTube? Feel like that would be something a subscription that gives you heaps of football 

I dont think the FA is in a position to negotiate broadcasting rights for the Aleagues mate... They are a separate entity now.  Like in your article above, JJ states that the APL may be able to throw them a few sheckles but it has the national teams and hundreds of other leagues/competitons to adminstor.

BTW has anyone heard anything about the Aleagues Youth competitions that were being launched witht eh help of Silverlakes rivers of gold a few years back? are the APL still committed to "developing future Socceroos and Matilda's" or are all the rapidly diminishing distribution funds going to fund the senior squads still?
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Monoethnic Social Club - 7 May 2024 10:39 AM

They should be carefull what they wish for mate, who else is going to pay to broadcast soccer in Australia? At least enough to distribute 12 million to franchises anyway?

Theyll end up having to live of whatever handouts the FA can afford... Lets hope they dont take anything away from the championship budgets. 

They should look at restructuring the TV rights. Do their own production and offer it on multiple platforms. Why be "exclusively" on Paramount when they don't give us the respect we deserve? We could be on both Paramount and Optus for example. You might make less money back initially, but it should help with eyeballs. And eyeballs promote growth.  
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Feed_The_Brox - 7 May 2024 11:24 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 7 May 2024 10:39 AM

They should look at restructuring the TV rights. Do their own production and offer it on multiple platforms. Why be "exclusively" on Paramount when they don't give us the respect we deserve? We could be on both Paramount and Optus for example. You might make less money back initially, but it should help with eyeballs. And eyeballs promote growth.  

Would be hard to make anything off the rights then if both "streamers" dont see the value.... 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 7 May 2024 12:26 PM

Would be hard to make anything off the rights then if both "streamers" dont see the value.... 

as i said, not in the short term. 
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Feed_The_Brox - 7 May 2024 12:36 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 7 May 2024 12:26 PM

as i said, not in the short term. 

fair enough... but it has to be at least seen to be adding value to a company like Optus for them to even consider... The haven't shown an interest before, maybe if the price was "free to a good home" and all they had to do is host (an existing product) on their streaming service perhaps. Would make it alot more visible than it currently is I agree. 
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Feed_The_Brox - 7 May 2024 11:24 AM
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They should look at restructuring the TV rights. Do their own production and offer it on multiple platforms. Why be "exclusively" on Paramount when they don't give us the respect we deserve? We could be on both Paramount and Optus for example. You might make less money back initially, but it should help with eyeballs. And eyeballs promote growth.  

Originally the A-League was exclusively on Fox. 
This forum: "We should have a match on FTA to get more eyeballs".

Things changed, so that SBS (and then later ABC) broadcast a match on FTA.
This forum: "Hardly anyone watches those channels. We need to be on a commercial network to get more eyeballs"

A-League goes to channel 10/Paramount with 2 matches per week on FTA.
This forum: "We need to be on multiple streaming services to get more eyeballs".



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Feed_The_Brox - 7 May 2024 11:24 AM

Originally the A-League was exclusively on Fox. 
This forum: "We should have a match on FTA to get more eyeballs".

Things changed, so that SBS (and then later ABC) broadcast a match on FTA.
This forum: "Hardly anyone watches those channels. We need to be on a commercial network to get more eyeballs"

A-League goes to channel 10/Paramount with 2 matches per week on FTA.
This forum: "We need to be on multiple streaming services to get more eyeballs".

We need a comic book series like Roy of the Rovers and Panini trading cards too. lol
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petszk - 7 May 2024 12:49 PM
Feed_The_Brox - 7 May 2024 11:24 AM

Originally the A-League was exclusively on Fox. 
This forum: "We should have a match on FTA to get more eyeballs".

Things changed, so that SBS (and then later ABC) broadcast a match on FTA.
This forum: "Hardly anyone watches those channels. We need to be on a commercial network to get more eyeballs"

A-League goes to channel 10/Paramount with 2 matches per week on FTA.
This forum: "We need to be on multiple streaming services to get more eyeballs".

So it's basically one piss excuse for another?
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They should be carefull what they wish for mate, who else is going to pay to broadcast soccer in Australia? At least enough to distribute 12 million to franchises anyway?

Theyll end up having to live of whatever handouts the FA can afford... Lets hope they dont take anything away from the championship budgets. 

It's probably wishful thinking on my part that any other broadcasters have any interest. But this Paramount deal is in place so if they left you'd assume it'd be for a better deal. Otherwise you'd maintain the status quo. 
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They should be carefull what they wish for mate, who else is going to pay to broadcast soccer in Australia? At least enough to distribute 12 million to franchises anyway?

Theyll end up having to live of whatever handouts the FA can afford... Lets hope they dont take anything away from the championship budgets. 

But the FFA was holding this sport back? LoL 

But those bloody ethnics were the problem LoL

But it's the AFL and NRL screwing us over LoL

But the cricket and NBL are sabotaging us lol
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But the FFA was holding this sport back? LoL 

But those bloody ethnics were the problem LoL

But it's the AFL and NRL screwing us over LoL

But the cricket and NBL are sabotaging us lol

Honestly I've never heard that last one. Must have been a niche group withat argument. 
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Razor Ramon - 10 May 2024 12:38 AM

Honestly I've never heard that last one. Must have been a niche group withat argument. 

Yeah BIG BASH is the reason Channel 10 is trying to kill the Aleague. To many crossover fans in the crucial 35-55 year old mum demographic. hahahahah 
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Oh boy, thats quite a chop and explains the troubles APL had in selling new $25mill licences. 

"CEO Danny Townsend told CODE Sports: “You’ll blow through that money quickly if you’re not careful. It’s about spending it wisely and doing it in a structured way like any other business.”

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Monoethnic Social Club - 7 May 2024 10:37 AM
Oh boy, thats quite a chop and explains the troubles APL had in selling new $25mill licences. 

"CEO Danny Townsend told CODE Sports: “You’ll blow through that money quickly if you’re not careful. It’s about spending it wisely and doing it in a structured way like any other business.”

Doesn't age well that comment. FMD. 
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Can't See Paramount carrying on.

Long off season ahead
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numklpkgulftumch - 7 May 2024 10:37 AM
Can't See Paramount carrying on.

Long off season ahead

If there's an off season 
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If there's an off season 

Off season will be an extra 9 months until the start of the Championship ;)
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NicCarBel - 9 May 2024 1:21 PM
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Off season will be an extra 9 months until the start of the Championship ;)

Season doesnt end until September finals mate :) Only 6ish month of offseason :P
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Monoethnic Social Club - 9 May 2024 2:03 PM
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Season doesnt end until September finals mate :) Only 6ish month of offseason :P

That should be enough time for those  clubs that want to bale out of the a league to be integrated into the championship.
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libelous - 9 May 2024 3:37 PM
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That should be enough time for those  clubs that want to bale out of the a league to be integrated into the championship.

Would be great but they wouldnt be able to retain their names, their colours, logos, anything ... all owned by the APL...  You cant just take your McDonalds restaurant offline from the head office and start serving pizza and sushi (no matter how many millions you paid for it) ... they will sue you for using their branding. 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 9 May 2024 4:11 PM
libelous - 9 May 2024 3:37 PM

Would be great but they wouldnt be able to retain their names, their colours, logos, anything ... all owned by the APL...  You cant just take your McDonalds restaurant offline from the head office and start serving pizza and sushi (no matter how many millions you paid for it) ... they will sue you for using their branding. 

I think there would be a solid legal argument that the franchiser failed to provide the financial support that would have been a part of the franchise contract..
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Monoethnic Social Club - 9 May 2024 4:11 PM
libelous - 9 May 2024 3:37 PM

Would be great but they wouldnt be able to retain their names, their colours, logos, anything ... all owned by the APL...  You cant just take your McDonalds restaurant offline from the head office and start serving pizza and sushi (no matter how many millions you paid for it) ... they will sue you for using their branding. 

That doesn't appear to be correct. According to the ipaustralia trademark website, Football Australia Limited still owns the trademarks to all of the A-League club brands/logos. APL doesn't even own the trademark to their new 'A-League' A logo as it's still under examination.
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someguyjc - 9 May 2024 5:16 PM
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That doesn't appear to be correct. According to the ipaustralia trademark website, Football Australia Limited still owns the trademarks to all of the A-League club brands/logos. APL doesn't even own the trademark to their new 'A-League' A logo as it's still under examination.

Oh wow, thats even better lol.... So JJ can come along at anytime and tell the new owners, NOPE you cant use "Newcastle United" or "Sydney FC" in the Aleague anymore we are setting up new clubs in the championship? Hahahaha thats gold. 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 10 May 2024 9:42 AM
someguyjc - 9 May 2024 5:16 PM

Oh wow, thats even better lol.... So JJ can come along at anytime and tell the new owners, NOPE you cant use "Newcastle United" or "Sydney FC" in the Aleague anymore we are setting up new clubs in the championship? Hahahaha thats gold. 

Maybe, it definitely seems to be a bit of an odd arrangement. I'm assuming there would be some sort of trademark licensing agreement in place, but it's hard to say whether it is between FA and APL or FA and the individual clubs or both. On the surface, it definitely seems as though any A-League club could join the Championship while continuing to use their name and colours. 
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someguyjc - 10 May 2024 1:23 PM
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Maybe, it definitely seems to be a bit of an odd arrangement. I'm assuming there would be some sort of trademark licensing agreement in place, but it's hard to say whether it is between FA and APL or FA and the individual clubs or both. On the surface, it definitely seems as though any A-League club could join the Championship while continuing to use their name and colours. 

FA still own the IP

Part of the unbundling was allowing each franchise exclusive rights to use their IP in the way they want (rather than centrally controlled by the FA in the past)

Gold Coast United use the FA owned name by permission
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libelous - 9 May 2024 3:37 PM
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That should be enough time for those  clubs that want to bale out of the a league to be integrated into the championship.

They didn't enter an EOI so aren't eligible
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So there was $30m a year available and it is down to $1m for next season.

How much "penalties around benchmark subscription rates not met" is worth is not mentioned but it must be a huge factor. It would be fascinating to know that figure and the "production costs" to have a proper picture.

Surely there is scope to market (with whatever dollars they have) and try to boost Paramount+ subscriptions - but a drop in revenue from potential 30 to 1 actual screams financial negligence. Not that it is news to us following the Keepup stupidity.

Edit: Re-reading the details. So it has gone from $30m to $5m this last year, and the central fund has dropped for each club from $2m this last year to $1m next year. Separate things the $30m and the $1m for all that the first flows into the second.

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I think Simon Pearce should just get the Saudis to buy the whole thing, clubs and all, and fill it with overpaid ‘superannuation’ players.
Surely 7 or 9 would be keen to get it.
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libelous - 7 May 2024 12:58 PM
I think Simon Pearce should just get the Saudis to buy the whole thing, clubs and all, and fill it with overpaid ‘superannuation’ players.
Surely 7 or 9 would be keen to get it.

He works for Abu Dhabi



Would laugh if Danny Townsend walks in with the cash though
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numklpkgulftumch - 7 May 2024 1:19 PM
libelous - 7 May 2024 12:58 PM

He works for Abu Dhabi



Would laugh if Danny Townsend walks in with the cash though

WU vs Wellington GF in Abu Dhabi 2025??? Sounds like it could work, as long as they lay off the cloud seeding and they can dry out their football pitches in time :)
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We may see the competition fold in the off season.
A real possibility. 
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charlied - 7 May 2024 1:19 PM
We may see the competition fold in the off season.
A real possibility. 

Some could apply for spots in the NST

(or would that be the NFT?)
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numklpkgulftumch - 7 May 2024 1:22 PM
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Some could apply for spots in the NST

(or would that be the NFT?)

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Is pro football possible with this money?
Bear in mind also that it is almost impossible to imagine a buyer for the next tv rights. 
This has been coming for years. I'm kind of glad that it's come to the crunch at last. Very big off season coming up.
The A League needs a complete re think. Paramount was last chance saloon. 

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Get out of these ridiculous stadiums while we are at it and get back to suburban grounds 
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Hot damn, the death spiral is real...... 
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too funnny must be fandom madness on reddit with the countless ex 442'rs jumping up and down - I can picture seeing them under water with long straws breathing some air lol.....


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meanwhile the AFL are going to get another stadium built for them by the government....
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tsf - 7 May 2024 3:06 PM
meanwhile the AFL are going to get another stadium built for them by the government....

Must be necessary though even Albo’s on board with it 🤔🤫
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tsf - 7 May 2024 3:06 PM
meanwhile the AFL are going to get another stadium built for them by the government....

Whyndham council built the APL one didnt they?
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Any ‘marquee’ players will either depart or be forced to take huge paycut. Higher paid coaches too.

Aussie transfer thread will be in over drive in off season! Hope sub007 can cope 🤞
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Hmm i dont think p and r works without a buffer division so the insane optimism in me says that this is all good because the apl will potter along but it weakens the apls bargaining position and we get p and r sooner
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On the other hand, the pessimist in me says that we throw out our top division a second time and the clock restarts again with the nst clubs taking 20 years to get back to where they were

None of the top asian teams have a single national division and we will struggle to compete if we have so few pathways as we currently do
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grazorblade - 7 May 2024 4:08 PM
On the other hand, the pessimist in me says that we throw out our top division a second time and the clock restarts again with the nst clubs taking 20 years to get back to where they were

None of the top asian teams have a single national division and we will struggle to compete if we have so few pathways as we currently do

Some of the championship clubs are light years away from where they where 20 years ago mate. 
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Source: https://twitter.com/simonhill1894/status/1787752941711143413?t=-1YoO9Zive1cWlbf0w-n3Q&s=19
APL statement:
“As part of our ongoing, planned strategic and commercial review, the APL Board met to review a number of our financial metrics and key leagues issues. Club Grants were one area under discussion today. The Board did not reach a resolution in its meeting. As there has been no agreement on this item, any Club Grant values reported are purely speculative. The APL Board will issue a statement when it reaches a resolution on this matter."

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someguyjc - 8 May 2024 9:41 AM
Source: https://twitter.com/simonhill1894/status/1787752941711143413?t=-1YoO9Zive1cWlbf0w-n3Q&s=19
APL statement:
“As part of our ongoing, planned strategic and commercial review, the APL Board met to review a number of our financial metrics and key leagues issues. Club Grants were one area under discussion today. The Board did not reach a resolution in its meeting. As there has been no agreement on this item, any Club Grant values reported are purely speculative. The APL Board will issue a statement when it reaches a resolution on this matter."

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someguyjc - 8 May 2024 9:41 AM
Source: https://twitter.com/simonhill1894/status/1787752941711143413?t=-1YoO9Zive1cWlbf0w-n3Q&s=19
APL statement:
“As part of our ongoing, planned strategic and commercial review, the APL Board met to review a number of our financial metrics and key leagues issues. Club Grants were one area under discussion today. The Board did not reach a resolution in its meeting. As there has been no agreement on this item, any Club Grant values reported are purely speculative. The APL Board will issue a statement when it reaches a resolution on this matter."

Wonder why the franchise owners didn't sign off on it ?

Perhaps they first asked for some clarification as to where all the fucking money has gone
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someguyjc - 8 May 2024 9:41 AM

Wonder why the franchise owners didn't sign off on it ?

Perhaps they first asked for some clarification as to where all the fucking money has gone

Franchise owner owners wanted their money as they are greedy clowns 

They wanted the FFA to give up control thinking the owners could do better.

They wanted their "independence" too.

Well look what happened. 

So any network video is stupid enough to pay 20 or 30 or 40 million a year for this league?
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Its difficult to know were to begin..... 

There is not a single thing that can be done to fix our position.

IMO there are maybe 5 or 6 major things and hundreds of little things, and all need to be done together.

Issue is there are so many things to fix, agreeing on a pathway out of the mess in our current environment is next to impossible.... like arseholes everyone has an opinion on how to fix things....



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Midfielder - 8 May 2024 2:31 PM
Its difficult to know were to begin..... 

There is not a single thing that can be done to fix our position.

IMO there are maybe 5 or 6 major things and hundreds of little things, and all need to be done together.

Issue is there are so many things to fix, agreeing on a pathway out of the mess in our current environment is next to impossible.... like arseholes everyone has an opinion on how to fix things....


Hey Mid,

Im sorry but it really isnt difficult to know where to begin.

 We have to, finally, take the plunge and decide on Step #1 - What do we ALL want football to BE in Australia. Not what the APL wants, not what the foreign investors want, not what old bitter NSL die hards like me want, not what AFL/NRL footy mums want, not what politicians want ... what we ALL want. its a simple choice #A or choice #B question and then we need to figure out the rest of it (ie how to get there).

#A a financially succcesful "product" that can be used as vehicle to make a return on investment
OR
#B a football ecosystem that encourage meritocracy and ambition from every single one of its participants from amateur to fully professional, geared towards creating a professional pathway and a playing pool of talent that can go on to represent our nation with success and foster a love of, not only the game here but also, a healthy lifestyle for our future generations. 
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Hey Mid,

Im sorry but it really isnt difficult to know where to begin.

 We have to, finally, take the plunge and decide on Step #1 - What do we ALL want football to BE in Australia. Not what the APL wants, not what the foreign investors want, not what old bitter NSL die hards like me want, not what AFL/NRL footy mums want, not what politicians want ... what we ALL want. its a simple choice #A or choice #B question and then we need to figure out the rest of it (ie how to get there).

#A a financially succcesful "product" that can be used as vehicle to make a return on investment
OR
#B a football ecosystem that encourage meritocracy and ambition from every single one of its participants from amateur to fully professional, geared towards creating a professional pathway and a playing pool of talent that can go on to represent our nation with success and foster a love of, not only the game here but also, a healthy lifestyle for our future generations. 

It’s a no brainer really but the difficulty as always is getting everyone singing from the same hymn sheet.
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With the APL crying poor, Paramount having their own problems and FA looking at a new broadcast deal from 2025 including NTs, Australia Cup and NST you would think that FA may be interested in combining it all including the APLs into one package with both a FTA and streaming component. The APL may need to be open to P& R earlier than they would like. 

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patjennings - 10 May 2024 4:55 PM
With the APL crying poor, Paramount having their own problems and FA looking at a new broadcast deal from 2025 including NTs, Australia Cup and NST you would think that FA may be interested in combining it all including the APLs into one package with both a FTA and streaming component. The APL may need to be open to P& R earlier than they would like. 

Optus Sport and SBS maybe?
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libelous - 10 May 2024 5:11 PM
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Optus Sport and SBS maybe?

No one watched it on SBS the last time they had it. Oh, and Basheer FFS.
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SUTHERLANDBEAR - 10 May 2024 6:20 PM
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No one watched it on SBS the last time they had it. Oh, and Basheer FFS.

Who do you suggest?
Nine …probably would want Stan as part of the deal.
Seven…they would bury it in the after midnight slot.
ABC….possibly but sports broadcasting is not their thing.

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libelous - 11 May 2024 3:55 PM
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Who do you suggest?
Nine …probably would want Stan as part of the deal.
Seven…they would bury it in the after midnight slot.
ABC….possibly but sports broadcasting is not their thing.
Unless it’s free, no FTA will touch it. The MSM hate the code, outwith the men’s and women’s national teams in this country.
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SUTHERLANDBEAR - 12 May 2024 1:31 AM
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Unless it’s free, no FTA will touch it. The MSM hate the code, outwith the men’s and women’s national teams in this country.

Unfortunately this is most likely true. It will have to be a give away. With APL covering broadcast costs.
My view is that unless Optus take it as a bundle, the A League will fold. 
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patjennings - 10 May 2024 4:55 PM
With the APL crying poor, Paramount having their own problems and FA looking at a new broadcast deal from 2025 including NTs, Australia Cup and NST you would think that FA may be interested in combining it all including the APLs into one package with both a FTA and streaming component. The APL may need to be open to P& R earlier than they would like. 

If you think Promotion and relegation is the difference between this sport living and dying, then you are sadly mistaken
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Razor Ramon - 13 May 2024 4:06 AM
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If you think Promotion and relegation is the difference between this sport living and dying, then you are sadly mistaken

I didn't say that. I just pointed out that the APL are not in a position of strength. JJ has said he wants a traditional pyramid in the long run. It may be sooner than we are all thinking.
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patjennings - 13 May 2024 8:00 AM
Razor Ramon - 13 May 2024 4:06 AM

I didn't say that. I just pointed out that the APL are not in a position of strength. JJ has said he wants a traditional pyramid in the long run. It may be sooner than we are all thinking.

Ramon just being the razor every post of his goes.

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AL might have to cut its losses and sell broadcast rights for all games to FTA. AL started on foxtel and never really gained enough viewers and interest- compared to other sports- cos foxtel was always fucking expensive. If AL started on FTA it may have become a lot bigger by now. Start again maybe 
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Balin Trev - 11 May 2024 7:40 PM
AL might have to cut its losses and sell broadcast rights for all games to FTA. AL started on foxtel and never really gained enough viewers and interest- compared to other sports- cos foxtel was always fucking expensive. If AL started on FTA it may have become a lot bigger by now. Start again maybe 

FTA for interstate games?
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patjennings - 11 May 2024 8:11 PM
Balin Trev - 11 May 2024 7:40 PM

FTA for interstate games?

Yep interstate games broadcast live 
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I’m backing FA to go with Optus and SBS.

Optus would love to add Oz football to their package (see their ‘football belongs’ shorts from some time ago still there for free)

 FTA content would be taken back either free or  for a token fee on SBS.

Whether APL want to take the opportunity to ride on the back of a Football Australia ‘super deal’ will be up to them.


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