NST Phase 3 - Assessment and recommendation


NST Phase 3 - Assessment and recommendation

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Munrubenmuz - 16 Jul 2024 3:52 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Jul 2024 3:37 PM

Hahaha. That's what I've heard too.

So united and apia?
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Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Jul 2024 3:33 PM
Auckland and Nix - 16 Jul 2024 1:46 PM

Thats all not finalised by ALL state federations and one of the sticking points that needs to be ironed out... Chilax.

Would you be happy for Souths to participate in a half arsed NSD, or wait a couple of years and be in the top league?



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thekingmb - 16 Jul 2024 4:17 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Jul 2024 3:33 PM

Would you be happy for Souths to participate in a half arsed NSD, or wait a couple of years and be in the top league?



That Aleague ship has sailed mate... and its not just my point of view either..... The board would be delusional if they think the members are going to allow us to beg for inclusion into a closed off league again.... 4 bids in 20 years and rejected each time!!!! No more.. If NSD (half baked or otherwise) doesn't eventuate then the 100 off us left will just have to keep travelling around the NPL paddocks forever.... 
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interesting from Vince rugari's reddit and twitter he doesn't see the point in an npl on planes, whether a conference league or a semi pro nst with a lower player budget than what fa is asking

I think this is misguided. I've written a couple of articles for the roar, I'll write one soon with some financial modeling 
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Apia Leichhardt have been doing it tough for years. Not surprised they want to forever kick the can down the road..ho hum.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Jul 2024 4:36 PM
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That Aleague ship has sailed mate... and it’s not just my point of view either..... The board would be delusional if they think the members are going to allow us to beg for inclusion into a closed off league again.... 4 bids in 20 years and rejected each time!!!! No more.. If NSD (half baked or otherwise) doesn't eventuate then the 100 off us left will just have to keep travelling around the NPL paddocks forever.... 

Yep here here - feck the APL league.
Let it live or die by its own sword.

Well rugari article got airplay on am radio heading home not long ago.
The dj actually was ok had some idea and went on about how good it would be having the ol clubs in a new pro league again despite some of the ethnic wars of the past.
Said it would be great for football.
Really hammered the AL struggling to stay afloat and explained to the random listeners about silver lake and the 140M up in smoke etc 


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LFC. - 16 Jul 2024 6:10 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Jul 2024 4:36 PM

Yep here here - feck the APL league.
Let it live or die by its own sword.

Well rugari article got airplay on am radio heading home not long ago.
The dj actually was ok had some idea and went on about how good it would be having the ol clubs in a new pro league again despite some of the ethnic wars of the past.
Said it would be great for football.
Really hammered the AL struggling to stay afloat and explained to the random listeners about silver lake and the 140M up in smoke etc 

The optics of the nst getting delayed at least partly because the apl blew the 140million on an app......true apia and other clubs not being able cash up and the fa having a high entry level also contributed but gee....
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grazorblade - 16 Jul 2024 5:30 PM
interesting from Vince rugari's reddit and twitter he doesn't see the point in an npl on planes, whether a conference league or a semi pro nst with a lower player budget than what fa is asking

I think this is misguided. I've written a couple of articles for the roar, I'll write one soon with some financial modeling 

I would be interested to hear Vince's response to the question:

"If NPL on Planes is a pointless exercise then what makes an end of season champions league series valuable? I mean besides the almost identical travel and admin costs to having a full and proper second division that is?"
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Monoethnic Social Club - 17 Jul 2024 9:37 AM
grazorblade - 16 Jul 2024 5:30 PM

I would be interested to hear Vince's response to the question:

"If NPL on Planes is a pointless exercise then what makes an end of season champions league series valuable? I mean besides the almost identical travel and admin costs to having a full and proper second division that is?"

He's spruiking it cos he knows few of the clubs will take it up, the NST will then get chucked on the Backburner and we'll never find out what could've been.
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numklpkgulftumch - 17 Jul 2024 11:49 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 17 Jul 2024 9:37 AM

He's spruiking it cos he knows few of the clubs will take it up, the NST will then get chucked on the Backburner and we'll never find out what could've been.

Extended NPL Championship at end of the winter seasons. 
8 clubs. 
2 groups of 4. 
3 games each. 
Top 2 play off in final. 

Still cheaper than a full blown home and away league. 



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Butler99 - 17 Jul 2024 11:59 AM
numklpkgulftumch - 17 Jul 2024 11:49 AM

Extended NPL Championship at end of the winter seasons. 
8 clubs. 
2 groups of 4. 
3 games each. 
Top 2 play off in final. 

Still cheaper than a full blown home and away league. 



What does this achieve? A Mickey Mouse comp. If it can't be done properly, don't do it at all. 

Have set criteria and dates (stop moving goal posts), which proves clubs will be financially stable and not fuck off after one year, target to have say ten clubs from anywhere around the country. Give any club/consortium the chance to enter the league. If there are not more than say 5 teams which meet the standards, scrap the comp, and give a chance to the clubs which meet theat criteria a spot in the A-league, should they wish.   

From my understanding only 2 of the NSD applicants/clubs are actually financially stable. 
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thekingmb - 17 Jul 2024 12:23 PM
Butler99 - 17 Jul 2024 11:59 AM

What does this achieve? A Mickey Mouse comp. If it can't be done properly, don't do it at all. 

Have set criteria and dates (stop moving goal posts), which proves clubs will be financially stable and not fuck off after one year, target to have say ten clubs from anywhere around the country. Give any club/consortium the chance to enter the league. If there are not more than say 5 teams which meet the standards, scrap the comp, and give a chance to the clubs which meet theat criteria a spot in the A-league, should they wish.   

From my understanding only 2 of the NSD applicants/clubs are actually financially stable. 

I'm not promoting or saying it should be done. 

Just guessing what they may do. 

What else does a "champions league format" look like?
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Butler99 - 17 Jul 2024 11:59 AM
numklpkgulftumch - 17 Jul 2024 11:49 AM

Extended NPL Championship at end of the winter seasons. 
8 clubs. 
2 groups of 4. 
3 games each. 
Top 2 play off in final. 

Still cheaper than a full blown home and away league. 



Who gets the 2 home games advantage ?
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numklpkgulftumch - 17 Jul 2024 12:37 PM
Butler99 - 17 Jul 2024 11:59 AM

Who gets the 2 home games advantage ?

This is all so disappointing . I and I’m sure many others were looking  forward to the NSD. The administration of football in this country lurches from one broken promise to another year to year .  The A League is barely holding on . The NSD was a shot in the arm the code needed badly . But really we all must have suspected it was yet another pipe dream
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numklpkgulftumch - 17 Jul 2024 12:37 PM
Butler99 - 17 Jul 2024 11:59 AM

Who gets the 2 home games advantage ?

🤣🤣
Perhaps a discussion for another day. 

Let's see what the messiah, James Johnson has in store for us first. 
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Butler99 - 17 Jul 2024 1:39 PM
numklpkgulftumch - 17 Jul 2024 12:37 PM

🤣🤣
Perhaps a discussion for another day. 

Let's see what the messiah, James Johnson has in store for us first. 

Yes let's




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I’m embarrassed about how excited I got about this competition getting started I should have known it was to good to be true. 
Then after seeing the support at south vs Preston in the cup I really thought there was no turning back and FA saw how people can get behind these clubs but guess I was wrong 

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Totti10 - 17 Jul 2024 4:36 PM
I’m embarrassed about how excited I got about this competition getting started I should have known it was to good to be true. 
Then after seeing the support at south vs Preston in the cup I really thought there was no turning back and FA saw how people can get behind these clubs but guess I was wrong 

I hope u arent wrong and hope for better news to come :(

Feeling gutted too
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Yeah I've been flat since this came out. I'll wait for offical word from the top, but preparing my heart for the sledgehammer.

Could a semi-pro NST work? It's seems more inline with where the clubs are at.

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It’s astonishing how many people are taking gossip and innuendo as fact.
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libelous - 17 Jul 2024 4:54 PM
It’s astonishing how many people are taking gossip and innuendo as fact.

Dont go danny townsend "dont be emotional" on us

We are football fans haha
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Totti10 - 17 Jul 2024 4:36 PM
I’m embarrassed about how excited I got about this competition getting started I should have known it was to good to be true. 
Then after seeing the support at south vs Preston in the cup I really thought there was no turning back and FA saw how people can get behind these clubs but guess I was wrong 

Dont be.... I told you toughen up, get down to Lambert Park and start DEMANDING answers from your board.... C'mon I want APIA in this thing man. 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 17 Jul 2024 5:05 PM
Totti10 - 17 Jul 2024 4:36 PM

Dont be.... I told you toughen up, get down to Lambert Park and start DEMANDING answers from your board.... C'mon I want APIA in this thing man. 

Yeah if the momentum is toward fa taking over the apl again in a few years, then there is a very narrow window of opportunity to get the nst up and running and all pressure needs to be on every board to get over the line
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Monoethnic Social Club - 17 Jul 2024 5:05 PM
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Dont be.... I told you toughen up, get down to Lambert Park and start DEMANDING answers from your board.... C'mon I want APIA in this thing man. 

You know what I’ve done even though it won’t matter for the first time in my life for my ol man has been pest to those in high places or local gov sending whinging emails.
I have sent one to the FA to Johnson and one to Apia.
People need to start screaming to the clouds ! 

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You know what I’ve done even though it won’t matter for the first time in my life for my ol man has been pest to those in high places or local gov sending whinging emails.
I have sent one to the FA to Johnson and one to Apia.
People need to start screaming to the clouds ! 

Who can i email?
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Totti10 - 17 Jul 2024 4:36 PM

Dont be.... I told you toughen up, get down to Lambert Park and start DEMANDING answers from your board.... C'mon I want APIA in this thing man. 

They’re a fkn disgrace and I’ve ripped into them aswell with no reply. 
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I’ll wait for the news after the Thursday fa meeting where they reveal it all but nothing surprises me in Australian football what was the last time something was done properly?

Still no domestic transfer system 
Still no news regarding the NSD
The football seasons are not aligned 
The APL all over the place and are not transparent enough with what they doing with the aleagues
No solution to the pay for play model which exists in our sport.

Thrown the fractured game that exists anyway from state Feds and down it’s no wonder the game never has able to fulfill its true potential. 

Nothing should surprise me anymore when we don’t adopt what works successfully overseas and this is what we get in return.

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Alternative view....

Has it be scrapped or cancelled..... No....

Has it been deferred..... Yes....

Are there valid reasons existing over the last few months and looking forward...

As I see it three major things... First APL under DT, over promised and tried something which in the end was only half arsed [as it was to early and lacked funds] resulting a clusterfuck of the highest order..... We don't need to start something and have it fall over in a couple of years again. 

Second, the fall in revenue being paid to the APL clubs, my gut tells me its because of payments to Silverlake rather than a fall in revenue, but the premier professional competition [which FA are kinda responsible for as well] FA may need to step in and help, it would "'hand on heart not the other thing if"" be a fail for FA to let APl fall over if they could stop it assuming the belief is APL can recover...

Third, from what we are told not every team is ready, and no teams outside Sydney and Melbourne defeats in some ways what is trying to be achieved beyond this only a few teams...

IMO the above three points are valid, the bigger question is are they in and of themselves reason enough to defer the start.... without detailed data its impossible to tell...

That its been deferred I find actually encouraging as it shows if things are going according to plan when you start a process, then to proceed with changed circumstances more often leads to failure...   
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Huge day coming up. Options will be presented. Decisions will be made.

I had to go back and re-watch the NST announcement video from 18 months ago to hear again what was etched in stone. Some of the quotes that I'm holding on to:


It’s an opportunity for clubs that have a lot of history in the game, that have a high opportunity to grow and develop, to have that opportunity. We’re going to push the clubs, not because we want to be difficult, but because we want to the clubs to grow and evolve and bridge the gap between NPL and A-League.

How can we ensure we keep the clubs in a safe position financially?

We need more professional clubs.

There are some very strong bids from outside NSW and Victoria for the extra 2-4 spots. The process will be consistent as with what the eight clubs submitted.

The Champions League model is for what would be the third tier (NPL) post season.


For those who would like to watch it again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbzyUytKSD0


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HappyGuus - 18 Jul 2024 12:50 AM
Huge day coming up. Options will be presented. Decisions will be made.

I had to go back and re-watch the NST announcement video from 18 months ago to hear again what was etched in stone. Some of the quotes that I'm holding on to:


It’s an opportunity for clubs that have a lot of history in the game, that have a high opportunity to grow and develop, to have that opportunity. We’re going to push the clubs, not because we want to be difficult, but because we want to the clubs to grow and evolve and bridge the gap between NPL and A-League.

How can we ensure we keep the clubs in a safe position financially?

We need more professional clubs.

There are some very strong bids from outside NSW and Victoria for the extra 2-4 spots. The process will be consistent as with what the eight clubs submitted.

The Champions League model is for what would be the third tier (NPL) post season.


For those who would like to watch it again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbzyUytKSD0


Pushing the clubs using brinksmanship and the threat of a champions league to get them to be more ambitiious would be my deluded optimist take
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