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+x+x+xyer heard her on radio yesterday morn re wanting a duck. The bloke said is that all you want after a gold medal haha she said yep Dad said IF I won gold she could get one - that would have got him haha Looking forward to the media and gender wars explode in the gold medal she/he boxing finale. Oi we hadn't mentioned kudos to our discus Bronze fella Matthew Denny. If you want to see blokey sheilas, switch over to the womens weightlifting on now. The biggest criticism of the Algerian is she looks like a man. These women in the weightlifting would give her a run for her money. If you think that's the biggest criticism, then either you're just following bogans, or you're missing the forest for the trees. The biggest criticism is the sport's governing body have run genetic tests and banned athletes from their competitions, but the IOC allows them in to the Olympics. Granted, yes.. the results of these tests can be explained as natural circumstances (chromosome disorders, etc - but I don't believe this has been confirmed yet...), but ultimately this whole thing comes down to IOC and Sporting Orgs not being able to do something consistent. No mate I have been following it. The IBA found a 'disorder' from an undisclosed test that they refuse to name or shed light on or offer any detail despite multiple, repeated calls to do so. The same IBA that has been a shitshow of an organisation for years riven by corruption and scandal. Not coincidentally Russia was involved immediately after Khelif beat a previously undefeated Russian boxer. https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-khelif-russia-boxing-b53b1edda21139d14a572bd35ca440e6VILLEPINTE, France (AP) — Nearly 17 months ago in New Delhi, Algerian boxer Imane Khelif was disqualified from the International Boxing Association’s world championships three days after she won an early-round bout with Azalia Amineva, a previously unbeaten Russian prospect. The disqualification meant Amineva’s official record was perfect again.The IBA’s decision last year — and its curious timing, particularly related to Amineva’s loss to Khelif — would have raised warning signs around the sports world if more people cared about amateur boxing, or even knew more about the IBA under president Umar Kremlev of Russia.
This Kremlev. This week, he released a series of English-subtitled videos on social media packed with insults, saying the Olympics “burns from pure devilry” and calling Bach “evil” and urging him to “resign urgently.” Kremlev has ended some of them by saying he’s sending Bach diapers so he doesn’t soil himself, then punching the camera.
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/06/g-s1-15720/imane-khelif-algerian-boxer-gender-olympic-goldBut the Russia-linked boxing federation has refused to release any details about those tests, and the disqualification was announced shortly after Khelif defeated a Russian boxer.In a chaotic press conference Monday, IBA officials raised more questions than they answered about the tests. IBA president Umar Kremlev, speaking by videoconference from Russia, said through a translator that their tests had shown elevated levels of testosterone — but that claim directly contradicted a previous statement from the IBA that said the boxers had not undergone a testosterone exam.What's ridiculously laughable is thinking Algeria, a conservative muslim country, sent a trans athlete to the Olympics to compete on their behalf. Does she have a genetic advantage? Maybe, but so does every basketballer who's over 210cm tall or any gymnast that's under 150cm. I don't hear anyone bitching about genetics being unfair in that instance. As another example, Michael Phelps produces roughly 50% less lactic acid as other athletes which means he literally doesn't experience the same pain and fatigue that 'normal' athletes do. Where's the howling and screaming to have him banned because of his 'advantage'. That woman is a woman plain and simple. Born a girl, raised and girl and grew up into a woman.
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+x+x+x+xyer heard her on radio yesterday morn re wanting a duck. The bloke said is that all you want after a gold medal haha she said yep Dad said IF I won gold she could get one - that would have got him haha Looking forward to the media and gender wars explode in the gold medal she/he boxing finale. Oi we hadn't mentioned kudos to our discus Bronze fella Matthew Denny. If you want to see blokey sheilas, switch over to the womens weightlifting on now. The biggest criticism of the Algerian is she looks like a man. These women in the weightlifting would give her a run for her money. If you think that's the biggest criticism, then either you're just following bogans, or you're missing the forest for the trees. The biggest criticism is the sport's governing body have run genetic tests and banned athletes from their competitions, but the IOC allows them in to the Olympics. Granted, yes.. the results of these tests can be explained as natural circumstances (chromosome disorders, etc - but I don't believe this has been confirmed yet...), but ultimately this whole thing comes down to IOC and Sporting Orgs not being able to do something consistent. No mate I have been following it. The IBA found a 'disorder' from an undisclosed test that they refuse to name or shed light on or offer any detail despite multiple, repeated calls to do so. The same IBA that has been a shitshow of an organisation for years riven by corruption and scandal. Not coincidentally Russia was involved. https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-khelif-russia-boxing-b53b1edda21139d14a572bd35ca440e6https://www.npr.org/2024/08/06/g-s1-15720/imane-khelif-algerian-boxer-gender-olympic-goldBut the Russia-linked boxing federation has refused to release any details about those tests, and the disqualification was announced shortly after Khelif defeated a Russian boxer.In a chaotic press conference Monday, IBA officials raised more questions than they answered about the tests. IBA president Umar Kremlev, speaking by videoconference from Russia, said through a translator that their tests had shown elevated levels of testosterone — but that claim directly contradicted a previous statement from the IBA that said the boxers had not undergone a testosterone exam.What's ridiculously laughable is thinking Algeria, a conservative muslim country, sent a trans athlete to the Olympics to compete on their behalf. Does she have a genetic advantage? Maybe but so does every basketballer who's over 210cm tall or any gymnast that's under 150cm. I don't here anyone bitching about genetics being unfair in that instance. As another example, Michael Phelps produces roughly 50% less lactic acid as other athletes which means he literally doesn't experience the same pain and fatigue that 'normal' athletes do. Where's the howling and screaming to have him banned because of his 'advantage'. That woman is a woman plain and simple. Born a girl, raised and girl and grew up into a woman. Sorry - didn't mean to have a go at you, I'm not really questioning how you're understanding it - but merely the mainstream rhetoric on this. I'm not querying whether she's a woman or not, that's not for me to decide - But, as I said, even if IBA run tests and DQ on that basis, there's still reasonable explanations as to why a woman would return results of that nature. The discussion on this topic should be just the shitshow of consistency/communication in applying it (considering there's a similar debacle involving FIFA). My understanding is that the other competitors weren't aware of the athletes in question competing until the last minute - or it wasn't clarified until the last minute (with athletes assuming the ban/DQ would be enforced in Paris as well). I personally - despite everything else going on - find it a bit... weird that IOC's only qualifier for gender is a passport, considering these are individually government issued (although, again in saying that, - FIFA only requires a passport for nationality, so we all know a lot of sporting organisations cut corners/are lax about certain things when they want to be)
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+x+x+x+x+xyer heard her on radio yesterday morn re wanting a duck. The bloke said is that all you want after a gold medal haha she said yep Dad said IF I won gold she could get one - that would have got him haha Looking forward to the media and gender wars explode in the gold medal she/he boxing finale. Oi we hadn't mentioned kudos to our discus Bronze fella Matthew Denny. If you want to see blokey sheilas, switch over to the womens weightlifting on now. The biggest criticism of the Algerian is she looks like a man. These women in the weightlifting would give her a run for her money. If you think that's the biggest criticism, then either you're just following bogans, or you're missing the forest for the trees. The biggest criticism is the sport's governing body have run genetic tests and banned athletes from their competitions, but the IOC allows them in to the Olympics. Granted, yes.. the results of these tests can be explained as natural circumstances (chromosome disorders, etc - but I don't believe this has been confirmed yet...), but ultimately this whole thing comes down to IOC and Sporting Orgs not being able to do something consistent. No mate I have been following it. The IBA found a 'disorder' from an undisclosed test that they refuse to name or shed light on or offer any detail despite multiple, repeated calls to do so. The same IBA that has been a shitshow of an organisation for years riven by corruption and scandal. Not coincidentally Russia was involved. https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-khelif-russia-boxing-b53b1edda21139d14a572bd35ca440e6https://www.npr.org/2024/08/06/g-s1-15720/imane-khelif-algerian-boxer-gender-olympic-goldBut the Russia-linked boxing federation has refused to release any details about those tests, and the disqualification was announced shortly after Khelif defeated a Russian boxer.In a chaotic press conference Monday, IBA officials raised more questions than they answered about the tests. IBA president Umar Kremlev, speaking by videoconference from Russia, said through a translator that their tests had shown elevated levels of testosterone — but that claim directly contradicted a previous statement from the IBA that said the boxers had not undergone a testosterone exam.What's ridiculously laughable is thinking Algeria, a conservative muslim country, sent a trans athlete to the Olympics to compete on their behalf. Does she have a genetic advantage? Maybe but so does every basketballer who's over 210cm tall or any gymnast that's under 150cm. I don't here anyone bitching about genetics being unfair in that instance. As another example, Michael Phelps produces roughly 50% less lactic acid as other athletes which means he literally doesn't experience the same pain and fatigue that 'normal' athletes do. Where's the howling and screaming to have him banned because of his 'advantage'. That woman is a woman plain and simple. Born a girl, raised and girl and grew up into a woman. Sorry - didn't mean to have a go at you, I'm not really questioning how you're understanding it - but merely the mainstream rhetoric on this. I'm not querying whether she's a woman or not, that's not for me to decide - But, as I said, even if IBA run tests and DQ on that basis, there's still reasonable explanations as to why a woman would return results of that nature. The discussion on this topic should be just the shitshow of consistency/communication in applying it (considering there's a similar debacle involving FIFA). My understanding is that the other competitors weren't aware of the athletes in question competing until the last minute - or it wasn't clarified until the last minute (with athletes assuming the ban/DQ would be enforced in Paris as well). I personally - despite everything else going on - find it a bit... weird that IOC's only qualifier for gender is a passport, considering these are individually government issued (although, again in saying that, - FIFA only requires a passport for nationality, so we all know a lot of sporting organisations cut corners/are lax about certain things when they want to be) No offence taken NCB. The problem was this particular case was a lightning rod for every anti-trans commentator and culture warrior to come out of the woodwork in the ongoing culture wars which then avalanched into a worldwide massive pile-on. (The usual suspects too. Hannity, Piers Morgan, JK Rowling, all of Sky News, most of the Murdoch hacks, Alex fucking Jones.) No thought to the poor bloody woman. The same woman that competed in Tokyo and all around the world for a decade without a drama. The 'problem' was the IBA tests and whether they were fair dinkum or not. As outlined above there's a bunch of weird shit around how and why these tests were taken and how conveniently they advantaged a Russian boxer who boxes under the remit of the IBA, run by a Russian who, from all accounts, is a lunatic. Without trying to offend any sensibilities here you often see blokey looking women in sports, Jean-King, Navratilova, Van Egmond, Dawn Fraser, any number of NRLW and ALFW, union or hockey players, who, if they had a dick, would be blokes. They appear to be, in looks, physiology, stature and musculature as a man without a penis. That doesn't mean they aren't women. It does seem to suggest though that their is a spectrum from the girliest girl possible to the blokiest bloke possible. And these women fit well in the middle if not past the mark.) I'm not a biologist so take all of that with a shovel of salt. (Could be talking right out of my arse.) It seems to me a lot of these women have many of the traits of men which, like I said, puts them at a competitive advantage.
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Ironic the Russians are pushing this stuff as part of their culture wars/disinformation pysop on westerners
Who remembers some of the soviet 'women' they had competing the olympics back in the day lol?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xyer heard her on radio yesterday morn re wanting a duck. The bloke said is that all you want after a gold medal haha she said yep Dad said IF I won gold she could get one - that would have got him haha Looking forward to the media and gender wars explode in the gold medal she/he boxing finale. Oi we hadn't mentioned kudos to our discus Bronze fella Matthew Denny. If you want to see blokey sheilas, switch over to the womens weightlifting on now. The biggest criticism of the Algerian is she looks like a man. These women in the weightlifting would give her a run for her money. If you think that's the biggest criticism, then either you're just following bogans, or you're missing the forest for the trees. The biggest criticism is the sport's governing body have run genetic tests and banned athletes from their competitions, but the IOC allows them in to the Olympics. Granted, yes.. the results of these tests can be explained as natural circumstances (chromosome disorders, etc - but I don't believe this has been confirmed yet...), but ultimately this whole thing comes down to IOC and Sporting Orgs not being able to do something consistent. No mate I have been following it. The IBA found a 'disorder' from an undisclosed test that they refuse to name or shed light on or offer any detail despite multiple, repeated calls to do so. The same IBA that has been a shitshow of an organisation for years riven by corruption and scandal. Not coincidentally Russia was involved. https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-khelif-russia-boxing-b53b1edda21139d14a572bd35ca440e6https://www.npr.org/2024/08/06/g-s1-15720/imane-khelif-algerian-boxer-gender-olympic-goldBut the Russia-linked boxing federation has refused to release any details about those tests, and the disqualification was announced shortly after Khelif defeated a Russian boxer.In a chaotic press conference Monday, IBA officials raised more questions than they answered about the tests. IBA president Umar Kremlev, speaking by videoconference from Russia, said through a translator that their tests had shown elevated levels of testosterone — but that claim directly contradicted a previous statement from the IBA that said the boxers had not undergone a testosterone exam.What's ridiculously laughable is thinking Algeria, a conservative muslim country, sent a trans athlete to the Olympics to compete on their behalf. Does she have a genetic advantage? Maybe but so does every basketballer who's over 210cm tall or any gymnast that's under 150cm. I don't here anyone bitching about genetics being unfair in that instance. As another example, Michael Phelps produces roughly 50% less lactic acid as other athletes which means he literally doesn't experience the same pain and fatigue that 'normal' athletes do. Where's the howling and screaming to have him banned because of his 'advantage'. That woman is a woman plain and simple. Born a girl, raised and girl and grew up into a woman. Sorry - didn't mean to have a go at you, I'm not really questioning how you're understanding it - but merely the mainstream rhetoric on this. I'm not querying whether she's a woman or not, that's not for me to decide - But, as I said, even if IBA run tests and DQ on that basis, there's still reasonable explanations as to why a woman would return results of that nature. The discussion on this topic should be just the shitshow of consistency/communication in applying it (considering there's a similar debacle involving FIFA). My understanding is that the other competitors weren't aware of the athletes in question competing until the last minute - or it wasn't clarified until the last minute (with athletes assuming the ban/DQ would be enforced in Paris as well). I personally - despite everything else going on - find it a bit... weird that IOC's only qualifier for gender is a passport, considering these are individually government issued (although, again in saying that, - FIFA only requires a passport for nationality, so we all know a lot of sporting organisations cut corners/are lax about certain things when they want to be) No offence taken NCB. The problem was this particular case was a lightning rod for every anti-trans commentator and culture warrior to come out of the woodwork in the ongoing culture wars which then avalanched into a worldwide massive pile-on. (The usual suspects too. Hannity, Piers Morgan, JK Rowling, all of Sky News, most of the Murdoch hacks, Alex fucking Jones.) No thought to the poor bloody woman. The same woman that competed in Tokyo and all around the world for a decade without a drama. The 'problem' was the IBA tests and whether they were fair dinkum or not. As outlined above there's a bunch of weird shit around how and why these tests were taken and how conveniently they advantaged a Russian boxer who boxes under the remit of the IBA, run by a Russian who, from all accounts, is a lunatic. Without trying to offend any sensibilities here you often see blokey look women in sports, Jean-King, Navratilova, Van Egmond, Dawn Fraser, any number of NRLW and ALFW, union or hockey players, who, if they had a dick, would be blokes. They appear to be, in looks, physiology, stature and musculature as a man without a penis. That doesn't mean they aren't women. It does seem to suggest though that their is a spectrum from the girliest girl possible to the blokiest bloke possible. And these women fit well in the middle if not past the mark.) I'm not a biologist so take all of that with a shovel of salt. (Could be talking right out of my arse.) It seems to me a lot of these women have many of the traits of men which, like I said, puts them at a competitive advantage. Im pretty much with Muz on this one... The poor woman has been lambasted all around the world as being a "bloke" without so much as a sliver of real evidence. Yes the science of it is debatable, yes the ethics of it even more so, but from a purely human perspective that poor woman.... The IBA guy sounds Ike a nutbag (and yes tsf, I see the whole Russian psypos angle and have to wonder how much of that is in this too) but in the same breath the IOC NOT having a transparent ruling on gender in this day and age is criminally negligible in my opinion also... Where the line is drawn on defining the genders I have no idea nor really informed opinion, but the fact remains, to continue to promote women's sport we have to allow them a fair and competitive space to participate, free from those who are looking to unfairly compete, whether that is for gender politics, sexuality or pure and simple financial gain... The way things are panning out is putting a lot of young girls off sport ... is this what we want?
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+xIronic the Russians are pushing this stuff as part of their culture wars/disinformation pysop on westerners Who remembers some of the soviet 'women' they had competing the olympics back in the day lol? Not just the Soviets.... some of these shotput and discuss women are STILL scary.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xyer heard her on radio yesterday morn re wanting a duck. The bloke said is that all you want after a gold medal haha she said yep Dad said IF I won gold she could get one - that would have got him haha Looking forward to the media and gender wars explode in the gold medal she/he boxing finale. Oi we hadn't mentioned kudos to our discus Bronze fella Matthew Denny. If you want to see blokey sheilas, switch over to the womens weightlifting on now. The biggest criticism of the Algerian is she looks like a man. These women in the weightlifting would give her a run for her money. If you think that's the biggest criticism, then either you're just following bogans, or you're missing the forest for the trees. The biggest criticism is the sport's governing body have run genetic tests and banned athletes from their competitions, but the IOC allows them in to the Olympics. Granted, yes.. the results of these tests can be explained as natural circumstances (chromosome disorders, etc - but I don't believe this has been confirmed yet...), but ultimately this whole thing comes down to IOC and Sporting Orgs not being able to do something consistent. No mate I have been following it. The IBA found a 'disorder' from an undisclosed test that they refuse to name or shed light on or offer any detail despite multiple, repeated calls to do so. The same IBA that has been a shitshow of an organisation for years riven by corruption and scandal. Not coincidentally Russia was involved. https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-khelif-russia-boxing-b53b1edda21139d14a572bd35ca440e6https://www.npr.org/2024/08/06/g-s1-15720/imane-khelif-algerian-boxer-gender-olympic-goldBut the Russia-linked boxing federation has refused to release any details about those tests, and the disqualification was announced shortly after Khelif defeated a Russian boxer.In a chaotic press conference Monday, IBA officials raised more questions than they answered about the tests. IBA president Umar Kremlev, speaking by videoconference from Russia, said through a translator that their tests had shown elevated levels of testosterone — but that claim directly contradicted a previous statement from the IBA that said the boxers had not undergone a testosterone exam.What's ridiculously laughable is thinking Algeria, a conservative muslim country, sent a trans athlete to the Olympics to compete on their behalf. Does she have a genetic advantage? Maybe but so does every basketballer who's over 210cm tall or any gymnast that's under 150cm. I don't here anyone bitching about genetics being unfair in that instance. As another example, Michael Phelps produces roughly 50% less lactic acid as other athletes which means he literally doesn't experience the same pain and fatigue that 'normal' athletes do. Where's the howling and screaming to have him banned because of his 'advantage'. That woman is a woman plain and simple. Born a girl, raised and girl and grew up into a woman. Sorry - didn't mean to have a go at you, I'm not really questioning how you're understanding it - but merely the mainstream rhetoric on this. I'm not querying whether she's a woman or not, that's not for me to decide - But, as I said, even if IBA run tests and DQ on that basis, there's still reasonable explanations as to why a woman would return results of that nature. The discussion on this topic should be just the shitshow of consistency/communication in applying it (considering there's a similar debacle involving FIFA). My understanding is that the other competitors weren't aware of the athletes in question competing until the last minute - or it wasn't clarified until the last minute (with athletes assuming the ban/DQ would be enforced in Paris as well). I personally - despite everything else going on - find it a bit... weird that IOC's only qualifier for gender is a passport, considering these are individually government issued (although, again in saying that, - FIFA only requires a passport for nationality, so we all know a lot of sporting organisations cut corners/are lax about certain things when they want to be) No offence taken NCB. The problem was this particular case was a lightning rod for every anti-trans commentator and culture warrior to come out of the woodwork in the ongoing culture wars which then avalanched into a worldwide massive pile-on. (The usual suspects too. Hannity, Piers Morgan, JK Rowling, all of Sky News, most of the Murdoch hacks, Alex fucking Jones.) No thought to the poor bloody woman. The same woman that competed in Tokyo and all around the world for a decade without a drama. The 'problem' was the IBA tests and whether they were fair dinkum or not. As outlined above there's a bunch of weird shit around how and why these tests were taken and how conveniently they advantaged a Russian boxer who boxes under the remit of the IBA, run by a Russian who, from all accounts, is a lunatic. Without trying to offend any sensibilities here you often see blokey look women in sports, Jean-King, Navratilova, Van Egmond, Dawn Fraser, any number of NRLW and ALFW, union or hockey players, who, if they had a dick, would be blokes. They appear to be, in looks, physiology, stature and musculature as a man without a penis. That doesn't mean they aren't women. It does seem to suggest though that their is a spectrum from the girliest girl possible to the blokiest bloke possible. And these women fit well in the middle if not past the mark.) I'm not a biologist so take all of that with a shovel of salt. (Could be talking right out of my arse.) It seems to me a lot of these women have many of the traits of men which, like I said, puts them at a competitive advantage. Im pretty much with Muz on this one... The poor woman has been lambasted all around the world as being a "bloke" without so much as a sliver of real evidence. Yes the science of it is debatable, yes the ethics of it even more so, but from a purely human perspective that poor woman.... The IBA guy sounds Ike a nutbag (and yes tsf, I see the whole Russian psypos angle and have to wonder how much of that is in this too) but in the same breath the IOC NOT having a transparent ruling on gender in this day and age is criminally negligible in my opinion also... Where the line is drawn on defining the genders I have no idea nor really informed opinion, but the fact remains, to continue to promote women's sport we have to allow them a fair and competitive space to participate, free from those who are looking to unfairly compete, whether that is for gender politics, sexuality or pure and simple financial gain... The way things are panning out is putting a lot of young girls off sport ... is this what we want? +x+x+x+x+x+xyer heard her on radio yesterday morn re wanting a duck. The bloke said is that all you want after a gold medal haha she said yep Dad said IF I won gold she could get one - that would have got him haha Looking forward to the media and gender wars explode in the gold medal she/he boxing finale. Oi we hadn't mentioned kudos to our discus Bronze fella Matthew Denny. If you want to see blokey sheilas, switch over to the womens weightlifting on now. The biggest criticism of the Algerian is she looks like a man. These women in the weightlifting would give her a run for her money. If you think that's the biggest criticism, then either you're just following bogans, or you're missing the forest for the trees. The biggest criticism is the sport's governing body have run genetic tests and banned athletes from their competitions, but the IOC allows them in to the Olympics. Granted, yes.. the results of these tests can be explained as natural circumstances (chromosome disorders, etc - but I don't believe this has been confirmed yet...), but ultimately this whole thing comes down to IOC and Sporting Orgs not being able to do something consistent. No mate I have been following it. The IBA found a 'disorder' from an undisclosed test that they refuse to name or shed light on or offer any detail despite multiple, repeated calls to do so. The same IBA that has been a shitshow of an organisation for years riven by corruption and scandal. Not coincidentally Russia was involved. https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-khelif-russia-boxing-b53b1edda21139d14a572bd35ca440e6https://www.npr.org/2024/08/06/g-s1-15720/imane-khelif-algerian-boxer-gender-olympic-goldBut the Russia-linked boxing federation has refused to release any details about those tests, and the disqualification was announced shortly after Khelif defeated a Russian boxer.In a chaotic press conference Monday, IBA officials raised more questions than they answered about the tests. IBA president Umar Kremlev, speaking by videoconference from Russia, said through a translator that their tests had shown elevated levels of testosterone — but that claim directly contradicted a previous statement from the IBA that said the boxers had not undergone a testosterone exam.What's ridiculously laughable is thinking Algeria, a conservative muslim country, sent a trans athlete to the Olympics to compete on their behalf. Does she have a genetic advantage? Maybe but so does every basketballer who's over 210cm tall or any gymnast that's under 150cm. I don't here anyone bitching about genetics being unfair in that instance. As another example, Michael Phelps produces roughly 50% less lactic acid as other athletes which means he literally doesn't experience the same pain and fatigue that 'normal' athletes do. Where's the howling and screaming to have him banned because of his 'advantage'. That woman is a woman plain and simple. Born a girl, raised and girl and grew up into a woman. Sorry - didn't mean to have a go at you, I'm not really questioning how you're understanding it - but merely the mainstream rhetoric on this. I'm not querying whether she's a woman or not, that's not for me to decide - But, as I said, even if IBA run tests and DQ on that basis, there's still reasonable explanations as to why a woman would return results of that nature. The discussion on this topic should be just the shitshow of consistency/communication in applying it (considering there's a similar debacle involving FIFA). My understanding is that the other competitors weren't aware of the athletes in question competing until the last minute - or it wasn't clarified until the last minute (with athletes assuming the ban/DQ would be enforced in Paris as well). I personally - despite everything else going on - find it a bit... weird that IOC's only qualifier for gender is a passport, considering these are individually government issued (although, again in saying that, - FIFA only requires a passport for nationality, so we all know a lot of sporting organisations cut corners/are lax about certain things when they want to be) No offence taken NCB. The problem was this particular case was a lightning rod for every anti-trans commentator and culture warrior to come out of the woodwork in the ongoing culture wars which then avalanched into a worldwide massive pile-on. (The usual suspects too. Hannity, Piers Morgan, JK Rowling, all of Sky News, most of the Murdoch hacks, Alex fucking Jones.) No thought to the poor bloody woman. The same woman that competed in Tokyo and all around the world for a decade without a drama. The 'problem' was the IBA tests and whether they were fair dinkum or not. As outlined above there's a bunch of weird shit around how and why these tests were taken and how conveniently they advantaged a Russian boxer who boxes under the remit of the IBA, run by a Russian who, from all accounts, is a lunatic. Without trying to offend any sensibilities here you often see blokey look women in sports, Jean-King, Navratilova, Van Egmond, Dawn Fraser, any number of NRLW and ALFW, union or hockey players, who, if they had a dick, would be blokes. They appear to be, in looks, physiology, stature and musculature as a man without a penis. That doesn't mean they aren't women. It does seem to suggest though that their is a spectrum from the girliest girl possible to the blokiest bloke possible. And these women fit well in the middle if not past the mark.) I'm not a biologist so take all of that with a shovel of salt. (Could be talking right out of my arse.) It seems to me a lot of these women have many of the traits of men which, like I said, puts them at a competitive advantage. Yep, I would say both spot on there. Will be interesting to see what happens in the future with this, particularly in regards to Boxing at the Olympics, as that's probably the biggest aspect that's blown over everyones heads (and admittedly my own) - IBA isn't organising this tournament as they had in the past, it's IOC (because IOC has stripped IBA as the world boxing organisation, to possibly be replaced by World Boxing, but wasn't set up in time for Paris 2024).
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xyer heard her on radio yesterday morn re wanting a duck. The bloke said is that all you want after a gold medal haha she said yep Dad said IF I won gold she could get one - that would have got him haha Looking forward to the media and gender wars explode in the gold medal she/he boxing finale. Oi we hadn't mentioned kudos to our discus Bronze fella Matthew Denny. If you want to see blokey sheilas, switch over to the womens weightlifting on now. The biggest criticism of the Algerian is she looks like a man. These women in the weightlifting would give her a run for her money. If you think that's the biggest criticism, then either you're just following bogans, or you're missing the forest for the trees. The biggest criticism is the sport's governing body have run genetic tests and banned athletes from their competitions, but the IOC allows them in to the Olympics. Granted, yes.. the results of these tests can be explained as natural circumstances (chromosome disorders, etc - but I don't believe this has been confirmed yet...), but ultimately this whole thing comes down to IOC and Sporting Orgs not being able to do something consistent. No mate I have been following it. The IBA found a 'disorder' from an undisclosed test that they refuse to name or shed light on or offer any detail despite multiple, repeated calls to do so. The same IBA that has been a shitshow of an organisation for years riven by corruption and scandal. Not coincidentally Russia was involved. https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-khelif-russia-boxing-b53b1edda21139d14a572bd35ca440e6https://www.npr.org/2024/08/06/g-s1-15720/imane-khelif-algerian-boxer-gender-olympic-goldBut the Russia-linked boxing federation has refused to release any details about those tests, and the disqualification was announced shortly after Khelif defeated a Russian boxer.In a chaotic press conference Monday, IBA officials raised more questions than they answered about the tests. IBA president Umar Kremlev, speaking by videoconference from Russia, said through a translator that their tests had shown elevated levels of testosterone — but that claim directly contradicted a previous statement from the IBA that said the boxers had not undergone a testosterone exam.What's ridiculously laughable is thinking Algeria, a conservative muslim country, sent a trans athlete to the Olympics to compete on their behalf. Does she have a genetic advantage? Maybe but so does every basketballer who's over 210cm tall or any gymnast that's under 150cm. I don't here anyone bitching about genetics being unfair in that instance. As another example, Michael Phelps produces roughly 50% less lactic acid as other athletes which means he literally doesn't experience the same pain and fatigue that 'normal' athletes do. Where's the howling and screaming to have him banned because of his 'advantage'. That woman is a woman plain and simple. Born a girl, raised and girl and grew up into a woman. Sorry - didn't mean to have a go at you, I'm not really questioning how you're understanding it - but merely the mainstream rhetoric on this. I'm not querying whether she's a woman or not, that's not for me to decide - But, as I said, even if IBA run tests and DQ on that basis, there's still reasonable explanations as to why a woman would return results of that nature. The discussion on this topic should be just the shitshow of consistency/communication in applying it (considering there's a similar debacle involving FIFA). My understanding is that the other competitors weren't aware of the athletes in question competing until the last minute - or it wasn't clarified until the last minute (with athletes assuming the ban/DQ would be enforced in Paris as well). I personally - despite everything else going on - find it a bit... weird that IOC's only qualifier for gender is a passport, considering these are individually government issued (although, again in saying that, - FIFA only requires a passport for nationality, so we all know a lot of sporting organisations cut corners/are lax about certain things when they want to be) No offence taken NCB. The problem was this particular case was a lightning rod for every anti-trans commentator and culture warrior to come out of the woodwork in the ongoing culture wars which then avalanched into a worldwide massive pile-on. (The usual suspects too. Hannity, Piers Morgan, JK Rowling, all of Sky News, most of the Murdoch hacks, Alex fucking Jones.) No thought to the poor bloody woman. The same woman that competed in Tokyo and all around the world for a decade without a drama. The 'problem' was the IBA tests and whether they were fair dinkum or not. As outlined above there's a bunch of weird shit around how and why these tests were taken and how conveniently they advantaged a Russian boxer who boxes under the remit of the IBA, run by a Russian who, from all accounts, is a lunatic. Without trying to offend any sensibilities here you often see blokey look women in sports, Jean-King, Navratilova, Van Egmond, Dawn Fraser, any number of NRLW and ALFW, union or hockey players, who, if they had a dick, would be blokes. They appear to be, in looks, physiology, stature and musculature as a man without a penis. That doesn't mean they aren't women. It does seem to suggest though that their is a spectrum from the girliest girl possible to the blokiest bloke possible. And these women fit well in the middle if not past the mark.) I'm not a biologist so take all of that with a shovel of salt. (Could be talking right out of my arse.) It seems to me a lot of these women have many of the traits of men which, like I said, puts them at a competitive advantage. Im pretty much with Muz on this one... The poor woman has been lambasted all around the world as being a "bloke" without so much as a sliver of real evidence. Yes the science of it is debatable, yes the ethics of it even more so, but from a purely human perspective that poor woman.... The IBA guy sounds Ike a nutbag (and yes tsf, I see the whole Russian psypos angle and have to wonder how much of that is in this too) but in the same breath the IOC NOT having a transparent ruling on gender in this day and age is criminally negligible in my opinion also... Where the line is drawn on defining the genders I have no idea nor really informed opinion, but the fact remains, to continue to promote women's sport we have to allow them a fair and competitive space to participate, free from those who are looking to unfairly compete, whether that is for gender politics, sexuality or pure and simple financial gain... The way things are panning out is putting a lot of young girls off sport ... is this what we want? +x+x+x+x+x+xyer heard her on radio yesterday morn re wanting a duck. The bloke said is that all you want after a gold medal haha she said yep Dad said IF I won gold she could get one - that would have got him haha Looking forward to the media and gender wars explode in the gold medal she/he boxing finale. Oi we hadn't mentioned kudos to our discus Bronze fella Matthew Denny. If you want to see blokey sheilas, switch over to the womens weightlifting on now. The biggest criticism of the Algerian is she looks like a man. These women in the weightlifting would give her a run for her money. If you think that's the biggest criticism, then either you're just following bogans, or you're missing the forest for the trees. The biggest criticism is the sport's governing body have run genetic tests and banned athletes from their competitions, but the IOC allows them in to the Olympics. Granted, yes.. the results of these tests can be explained as natural circumstances (chromosome disorders, etc - but I don't believe this has been confirmed yet...), but ultimately this whole thing comes down to IOC and Sporting Orgs not being able to do something consistent. No mate I have been following it. The IBA found a 'disorder' from an undisclosed test that they refuse to name or shed light on or offer any detail despite multiple, repeated calls to do so. The same IBA that has been a shitshow of an organisation for years riven by corruption and scandal. Not coincidentally Russia was involved. https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-khelif-russia-boxing-b53b1edda21139d14a572bd35ca440e6https://www.npr.org/2024/08/06/g-s1-15720/imane-khelif-algerian-boxer-gender-olympic-goldBut the Russia-linked boxing federation has refused to release any details about those tests, and the disqualification was announced shortly after Khelif defeated a Russian boxer.In a chaotic press conference Monday, IBA officials raised more questions than they answered about the tests. IBA president Umar Kremlev, speaking by videoconference from Russia, said through a translator that their tests had shown elevated levels of testosterone — but that claim directly contradicted a previous statement from the IBA that said the boxers had not undergone a testosterone exam.What's ridiculously laughable is thinking Algeria, a conservative muslim country, sent a trans athlete to the Olympics to compete on their behalf. Does she have a genetic advantage? Maybe but so does every basketballer who's over 210cm tall or any gymnast that's under 150cm. I don't here anyone bitching about genetics being unfair in that instance. As another example, Michael Phelps produces roughly 50% less lactic acid as other athletes which means he literally doesn't experience the same pain and fatigue that 'normal' athletes do. Where's the howling and screaming to have him banned because of his 'advantage'. That woman is a woman plain and simple. Born a girl, raised and girl and grew up into a woman. Sorry - didn't mean to have a go at you, I'm not really questioning how you're understanding it - but merely the mainstream rhetoric on this. I'm not querying whether she's a woman or not, that's not for me to decide - But, as I said, even if IBA run tests and DQ on that basis, there's still reasonable explanations as to why a woman would return results of that nature. The discussion on this topic should be just the shitshow of consistency/communication in applying it (considering there's a similar debacle involving FIFA). My understanding is that the other competitors weren't aware of the athletes in question competing until the last minute - or it wasn't clarified until the last minute (with athletes assuming the ban/DQ would be enforced in Paris as well). I personally - despite everything else going on - find it a bit... weird that IOC's only qualifier for gender is a passport, considering these are individually government issued (although, again in saying that, - FIFA only requires a passport for nationality, so we all know a lot of sporting organisations cut corners/are lax about certain things when they want to be) No offence taken NCB. The problem was this particular case was a lightning rod for every anti-trans commentator and culture warrior to come out of the woodwork in the ongoing culture wars which then avalanched into a worldwide massive pile-on. (The usual suspects too. Hannity, Piers Morgan, JK Rowling, all of Sky News, most of the Murdoch hacks, Alex fucking Jones.) No thought to the poor bloody woman. The same woman that competed in Tokyo and all around the world for a decade without a drama. The 'problem' was the IBA tests and whether they were fair dinkum or not. As outlined above there's a bunch of weird shit around how and why these tests were taken and how conveniently they advantaged a Russian boxer who boxes under the remit of the IBA, run by a Russian who, from all accounts, is a lunatic. Without trying to offend any sensibilities here you often see blokey look women in sports, Jean-King, Navratilova, Van Egmond, Dawn Fraser, any number of NRLW and ALFW, union or hockey players, who, if they had a dick, would be blokes. They appear to be, in looks, physiology, stature and musculature as a man without a penis. That doesn't mean they aren't women. It does seem to suggest though that their is a spectrum from the girliest girl possible to the blokiest bloke possible. And these women fit well in the middle if not past the mark.) I'm not a biologist so take all of that with a shovel of salt. (Could be talking right out of my arse.) It seems to me a lot of these women have many of the traits of men which, like I said, puts them at a competitive advantage. Yep, I would say both spot on there. Will be interesting to see what happens in the future with this, particularly in regards to Boxing at the Olympics, as that's probably the biggest aspect that's blown over everyones heads (and admittedly my own) - IBA isn't organising this tournament as they had in the past, it's IOC (because IOC has stripped IBA as the world boxing organisation, to possibly be replaced by World Boxing, but wasn't set up in time for Paris 2024). It's really tricky though. Just say they have an upper band for testosterone, for example, and an athlete that menstruates regularly and has a vagina fails that test. Are they then going to say 'well you've got too much testosterone so you can't compete'. How is that fair? Who determines the upper level for whatever hormone they're testing? What if you're genetically advantaged by having an upper band value of that hormone? Who are they to tell you you can't compete? It's devilishly difficult. I wouldn't like to be the committee drafting the rules around this that's for sure. Moral and ethical nightmare.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xyer heard her on radio yesterday morn re wanting a duck. The bloke said is that all you want after a gold medal haha she said yep Dad said IF I won gold she could get one - that would have got him haha Looking forward to the media and gender wars explode in the gold medal she/he boxing finale. Oi we hadn't mentioned kudos to our discus Bronze fella Matthew Denny. If you want to see blokey sheilas, switch over to the womens weightlifting on now. The biggest criticism of the Algerian is she looks like a man. These women in the weightlifting would give her a run for her money. If you think that's the biggest criticism, then either you're just following bogans, or you're missing the forest for the trees. The biggest criticism is the sport's governing body have run genetic tests and banned athletes from their competitions, but the IOC allows them in to the Olympics. Granted, yes.. the results of these tests can be explained as natural circumstances (chromosome disorders, etc - but I don't believe this has been confirmed yet...), but ultimately this whole thing comes down to IOC and Sporting Orgs not being able to do something consistent. No mate I have been following it. The IBA found a 'disorder' from an undisclosed test that they refuse to name or shed light on or offer any detail despite multiple, repeated calls to do so. The same IBA that has been a shitshow of an organisation for years riven by corruption and scandal. Not coincidentally Russia was involved. https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-khelif-russia-boxing-b53b1edda21139d14a572bd35ca440e6https://www.npr.org/2024/08/06/g-s1-15720/imane-khelif-algerian-boxer-gender-olympic-goldBut the Russia-linked boxing federation has refused to release any details about those tests, and the disqualification was announced shortly after Khelif defeated a Russian boxer.In a chaotic press conference Monday, IBA officials raised more questions than they answered about the tests. IBA president Umar Kremlev, speaking by videoconference from Russia, said through a translator that their tests had shown elevated levels of testosterone — but that claim directly contradicted a previous statement from the IBA that said the boxers had not undergone a testosterone exam.What's ridiculously laughable is thinking Algeria, a conservative muslim country, sent a trans athlete to the Olympics to compete on their behalf. Does she have a genetic advantage? Maybe but so does every basketballer who's over 210cm tall or any gymnast that's under 150cm. I don't here anyone bitching about genetics being unfair in that instance. As another example, Michael Phelps produces roughly 50% less lactic acid as other athletes which means he literally doesn't experience the same pain and fatigue that 'normal' athletes do. Where's the howling and screaming to have him banned because of his 'advantage'. That woman is a woman plain and simple. Born a girl, raised and girl and grew up into a woman. Sorry - didn't mean to have a go at you, I'm not really questioning how you're understanding it - but merely the mainstream rhetoric on this. I'm not querying whether she's a woman or not, that's not for me to decide - But, as I said, even if IBA run tests and DQ on that basis, there's still reasonable explanations as to why a woman would return results of that nature. The discussion on this topic should be just the shitshow of consistency/communication in applying it (considering there's a similar debacle involving FIFA). My understanding is that the other competitors weren't aware of the athletes in question competing until the last minute - or it wasn't clarified until the last minute (with athletes assuming the ban/DQ would be enforced in Paris as well). I personally - despite everything else going on - find it a bit... weird that IOC's only qualifier for gender is a passport, considering these are individually government issued (although, again in saying that, - FIFA only requires a passport for nationality, so we all know a lot of sporting organisations cut corners/are lax about certain things when they want to be) No offence taken NCB. The problem was this particular case was a lightning rod for every anti-trans commentator and culture warrior to come out of the woodwork in the ongoing culture wars which then avalanched into a worldwide massive pile-on. (The usual suspects too. Hannity, Piers Morgan, JK Rowling, all of Sky News, most of the Murdoch hacks, Alex fucking Jones.) No thought to the poor bloody woman. The same woman that competed in Tokyo and all around the world for a decade without a drama. The 'problem' was the IBA tests and whether they were fair dinkum or not. As outlined above there's a bunch of weird shit around how and why these tests were taken and how conveniently they advantaged a Russian boxer who boxes under the remit of the IBA, run by a Russian who, from all accounts, is a lunatic. Without trying to offend any sensibilities here you often see blokey look women in sports, Jean-King, Navratilova, Van Egmond, Dawn Fraser, any number of NRLW and ALFW, union or hockey players, who, if they had a dick, would be blokes. They appear to be, in looks, physiology, stature and musculature as a man without a penis. That doesn't mean they aren't women. It does seem to suggest though that their is a spectrum from the girliest girl possible to the blokiest bloke possible. And these women fit well in the middle if not past the mark.) I'm not a biologist so take all of that with a shovel of salt. (Could be talking right out of my arse.) It seems to me a lot of these women have many of the traits of men which, like I said, puts them at a competitive advantage. Im pretty much with Muz on this one... The poor woman has been lambasted all around the world as being a "bloke" without so much as a sliver of real evidence. Yes the science of it is debatable, yes the ethics of it even more so, but from a purely human perspective that poor woman.... The IBA guy sounds Ike a nutbag (and yes tsf, I see the whole Russian psypos angle and have to wonder how much of that is in this too) but in the same breath the IOC NOT having a transparent ruling on gender in this day and age is criminally negligible in my opinion also... Where the line is drawn on defining the genders I have no idea nor really informed opinion, but the fact remains, to continue to promote women's sport we have to allow them a fair and competitive space to participate, free from those who are looking to unfairly compete, whether that is for gender politics, sexuality or pure and simple financial gain... The way things are panning out is putting a lot of young girls off sport ... is this what we want? +x+x+x+x+x+xyer heard her on radio yesterday morn re wanting a duck. The bloke said is that all you want after a gold medal haha she said yep Dad said IF I won gold she could get one - that would have got him haha Looking forward to the media and gender wars explode in the gold medal she/he boxing finale. Oi we hadn't mentioned kudos to our discus Bronze fella Matthew Denny. If you want to see blokey sheilas, switch over to the womens weightlifting on now. The biggest criticism of the Algerian is she looks like a man. These women in the weightlifting would give her a run for her money. If you think that's the biggest criticism, then either you're just following bogans, or you're missing the forest for the trees. The biggest criticism is the sport's governing body have run genetic tests and banned athletes from their competitions, but the IOC allows them in to the Olympics. Granted, yes.. the results of these tests can be explained as natural circumstances (chromosome disorders, etc - but I don't believe this has been confirmed yet...), but ultimately this whole thing comes down to IOC and Sporting Orgs not being able to do something consistent. No mate I have been following it. The IBA found a 'disorder' from an undisclosed test that they refuse to name or shed light on or offer any detail despite multiple, repeated calls to do so. The same IBA that has been a shitshow of an organisation for years riven by corruption and scandal. Not coincidentally Russia was involved. https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-khelif-russia-boxing-b53b1edda21139d14a572bd35ca440e6https://www.npr.org/2024/08/06/g-s1-15720/imane-khelif-algerian-boxer-gender-olympic-goldBut the Russia-linked boxing federation has refused to release any details about those tests, and the disqualification was announced shortly after Khelif defeated a Russian boxer.In a chaotic press conference Monday, IBA officials raised more questions than they answered about the tests. IBA president Umar Kremlev, speaking by videoconference from Russia, said through a translator that their tests had shown elevated levels of testosterone — but that claim directly contradicted a previous statement from the IBA that said the boxers had not undergone a testosterone exam.What's ridiculously laughable is thinking Algeria, a conservative muslim country, sent a trans athlete to the Olympics to compete on their behalf. Does she have a genetic advantage? Maybe but so does every basketballer who's over 210cm tall or any gymnast that's under 150cm. I don't here anyone bitching about genetics being unfair in that instance. As another example, Michael Phelps produces roughly 50% less lactic acid as other athletes which means he literally doesn't experience the same pain and fatigue that 'normal' athletes do. Where's the howling and screaming to have him banned because of his 'advantage'. That woman is a woman plain and simple. Born a girl, raised and girl and grew up into a woman. Sorry - didn't mean to have a go at you, I'm not really questioning how you're understanding it - but merely the mainstream rhetoric on this. I'm not querying whether she's a woman or not, that's not for me to decide - But, as I said, even if IBA run tests and DQ on that basis, there's still reasonable explanations as to why a woman would return results of that nature. The discussion on this topic should be just the shitshow of consistency/communication in applying it (considering there's a similar debacle involving FIFA). My understanding is that the other competitors weren't aware of the athletes in question competing until the last minute - or it wasn't clarified until the last minute (with athletes assuming the ban/DQ would be enforced in Paris as well). I personally - despite everything else going on - find it a bit... weird that IOC's only qualifier for gender is a passport, considering these are individually government issued (although, again in saying that, - FIFA only requires a passport for nationality, so we all know a lot of sporting organisations cut corners/are lax about certain things when they want to be) No offence taken NCB. The problem was this particular case was a lightning rod for every anti-trans commentator and culture warrior to come out of the woodwork in the ongoing culture wars which then avalanched into a worldwide massive pile-on. (The usual suspects too. Hannity, Piers Morgan, JK Rowling, all of Sky News, most of the Murdoch hacks, Alex fucking Jones.) No thought to the poor bloody woman. The same woman that competed in Tokyo and all around the world for a decade without a drama. The 'problem' was the IBA tests and whether they were fair dinkum or not. As outlined above there's a bunch of weird shit around how and why these tests were taken and how conveniently they advantaged a Russian boxer who boxes under the remit of the IBA, run by a Russian who, from all accounts, is a lunatic. Without trying to offend any sensibilities here you often see blokey look women in sports, Jean-King, Navratilova, Van Egmond, Dawn Fraser, any number of NRLW and ALFW, union or hockey players, who, if they had a dick, would be blokes. They appear to be, in looks, physiology, stature and musculature as a man without a penis. That doesn't mean they aren't women. It does seem to suggest though that their is a spectrum from the girliest girl possible to the blokiest bloke possible. And these women fit well in the middle if not past the mark.) I'm not a biologist so take all of that with a shovel of salt. (Could be talking right out of my arse.) It seems to me a lot of these women have many of the traits of men which, like I said, puts them at a competitive advantage. Yep, I would say both spot on there. Will be interesting to see what happens in the future with this, particularly in regards to Boxing at the Olympics, as that's probably the biggest aspect that's blown over everyones heads (and admittedly my own) - IBA isn't organising this tournament as they had in the past, it's IOC (because IOC has stripped IBA as the world boxing organisation, to possibly be replaced by World Boxing, but wasn't set up in time for Paris 2024). It's really tricky though. Just say they have an upper band for testosterone, for example, and an athlete that menstruates regularly and has a vagina fails that test. Are they then going to say 'well you've got too much testosterone so you can't compete'. How is that fair? Who determines the upper level for whatever hormone they're testing? What if you're genetically advantaged by having an upper band value of that hormone? Who are they to tell you you can't compete? It's devilishly difficult. I wouldn't like to be the committee drafting the rules around this that's for sure. Moral and ethical nightmare. we have weight classes, could do the same for testosterone?
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Only bronze in Kayak with Germany winning. Somewhat a slow and bad start and they just couldn't get intontheir rhythm. Disappointing after two fast early races with seed 1.
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Australia's best time was the semi a full second faster earlier in the day. Germany saved it for the final.
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Excellent silver for Maddison Kenney in diving. Chinese either side.
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Silvers adding up. Silver in cycling Sprint. Opals smashed by USA so they'll play for bronze.
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apparently the weird breakdancing was a protest - that bring breakdancing into the olympics would make it mainstream which would be racist (cultural appropriation I'm guessing)
not sure I follow what she is saying, and there could be a good point somewhere in there, but on the upside I feel less bad about having a chuckle
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Medal chances dwindling. Elimination in Kayaking. Jess Hull in 1500m final should be an epic. Women's water polo the big one of the day and weightlifting a chance. Men's diving a bronze hope. Women's climbing currently 3rd but way behind top 2 so a bronze in sight.
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+xMedal chances dwindling. Elimination in Kayaking. Jess Hull in 1500m final should be an epic. Women's water polo the big one of the day and weightlifting a chance. Men's diving a bronze hope. Women's climbing currently 3rd but way behind top 2 so a bronze in sight. touch and go holding onto third for us then...
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Chromosomes define whether you are a man or woman
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Water polo final underway. Spain are good but can't resist trying to drown our players. Ref calling it out.
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Spanish keeper is immense. Australia have saved a lot too. Spain are highly fancied. Ref has been great calling Spanish fouls. 3:2 Spain at HT. Australia have been down there a lot and need to score.
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Spain pulling away. Way to go but it's over I think. They're too good.
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Spain defence so good but Australia fighting so hard. 6min to go and Australia trailing by 1. Spain attack also good but they're not converting themselves. This is thrilling. Go girls! Ref has been great
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Spain pull away again. A well deserved silver into his tournament for Australia.
Agonizing 4th in men's diving. Women's golf looks close to a bronze for Australia with 2 holes to go but the others are chasing.
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What a run by Jessica Hull for silver. 2nd only to the Kenyan with an OR. Just great.
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Japan levels with Australia on gold. Australia with 7 medals more. Japan has 2 wrestling finals today. France bearing down with MP gold nearly assured but they surely won't win the women's basketball.
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+xJapan levels with Australia on gold. Australia with 7 medals more. Japan has 2 wrestling finals today. France bearing down with MP gold nearly assured but they surely won't win the women's basketball. So 4th is probably most likely?
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johnszasz
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+x+xJapan levels with Australia on gold. Australia with 7 medals more. Japan has 2 wrestling finals today. France bearing down with MP gold nearly assured but they surely won't win the women's basketball. So 4th is probably most likely? Likely. Japan should win 1 if not 2 of those bouts. Australia a decent chance in cycling but probably a silver. Japan have someone in the front group in marathon with 7km left but surely not.
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