The Aussies Abroad Thread 2


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By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.

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AnthonyC - 6 Mar 2021 3:19 PM
Barca4Life - 5 Mar 2021 3:53 PM

 Did you ever think that, maybe, he's only good enough for the aleague?


Or maybe, you're just a shit stirrer looking for some attention?
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jaymz - 5 Mar 2021 4:34 PM
Barca4Life - 5 Mar 2021 3:53 PM

Covid may be a god send for us in this regard because so many young players are getting minutes. You would hope with this extended run they become seen as regular first team players. It will just be on them to not leave too early

No they won't. When the cap goes up they go down or if there lucky on the bench.
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Barca4Life - 5 Mar 2021 3:53 PM
jaymz - 5 Mar 2021 11:04 AM

Fair points Jaymz.

It shows how important is the match minutes needed especially around 17 to 23, the more larger the numbers the more likely the players who be better developed for the touch challenges of European football.
It makes the 'peformance gap' ever more important and needs to be addressed more than ever before.

McGree is an interesting one and he's got those match minutes in his belt too, I do agree maybe Birmingham City maybe doesnt suit him entirely and given they are in a relegation battle they dont seem to trust him.
I wonder if Adelaide made the right move for him or did they just try to milk as much money possible as well? Lets see what happens if he stays in England or he goes to the MLS and has a better time over there.

 Did you ever think that, maybe, he's only good enough for the aleague?


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paladisious - 6 Mar 2021 8:36 AM
Full 90 for Ouzoundinis in a 2-1 loss to Tottenham U23.

Full game for Watts in a 2-2 draw with Arsenal U23, wearing number 10.

Good news. You’d love ouzinidis to kick on wouldn’t you. 
He could be big for us in the future 

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Thomas with a good save at 4:53 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lbiD-QsYl0


By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.

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Full 90 for Ouzoundinis in a 2-1 loss to Tottenham U23.

Full game for Watts in a 2-2 draw with Arsenal U23, wearing number 10.
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jaymz - 5 Mar 2021 4:34 PM
Barca4Life - 5 Mar 2021 3:53 PM

Covid may be a god send for us in this regard because so many young players are getting minutes. You would hope with this extended run they become seen as regular first team players. It will just be on them to not leave too early

Let’s hope this continues and not just become a one off event.

Its been refreshing to see.
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Barca4Life - 5 Mar 2021 3:53 PM
jaymz - 5 Mar 2021 11:04 AM

Fair points Jaymz.

It shows how important is the match minutes needed especially around 17 to 23, the more larger the numbers the more likely the players who be better developed for the touch challenges of European football.
It makes the 'peformance gap' ever more important and needs to be addressed more than ever before.

McGree is an interesting one and he's got those match minutes in his belt too, I do agree maybe Birmingham City maybe doesnt suit him entirely and given they are in a relegation battle they dont seem to trust him.
I wonder if Adelaide made the right move for him or did they just try to milk as much money possible as well? Lets see what happens if he stays in England or he goes to the MLS and has a better time over there.

Covid may be a god send for us in this regard because so many young players are getting minutes. You would hope with this extended run they become seen as regular first team players. It will just be on them to not leave too early

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jaymz - 5 Mar 2021 11:04 AM
Barca4Life - 4 Mar 2021 5:16 PM

Riley Mcgree and Daniel Arzani are 22, it is not young. Especially in Europe. So i think the reason for the struggle with a lot of our players is in Aus these players are considered young and given slack when their performances arent up to scratch where as in Europe they are considered as mature so expected to play at peak level and not make mistakes. When they do they get dropped. 

We as a league need to start considering 17-19 as young and to instil this mentality in players and better prepare them for overseas. 

Also Arzani whilst talented when he left, only played 24 games at a league level so the league had no prepared him for Europe because he was not here long enough (which is common with Aussie players sadly). Mcgree has only played 79 A league games which is also on the lower end. I think their was a study done where players who went overseas with 100 + A league games did better overseas than those with less. Mooy for example played 102 games in the a league so basically a full extra season (and didnt have it broken up by a euro stint)

Fair points Jaymz.

It shows how important is the match minutes needed especially around 17 to 23, the more larger the numbers the more likely the players who be better developed for the touch challenges of European football.
It makes the 'peformance gap' ever more important and needs to be addressed more than ever before.

McGree is an interesting one and he's got those match minutes in his belt too, I do agree maybe Birmingham City maybe doesnt suit him entirely and given they are in a relegation battle they dont seem to trust him.
I wonder if Adelaide made the right move for him or did they just try to milk as much money possible as well? Lets see what happens if he stays in England or he goes to the MLS and has a better time over there.
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Keeper66 - 5 Mar 2021 3:34 PM
jaymz - 5 Mar 2021 11:04 AM

Another reason to have a longer season (30 or more league games plus others, e.g., cup games) rather than the shortest season in world football that we have now.

And Mooy, that Jaymz mentions, had a difficult job when he first went to Europe as he wasn't robust enough to handle the extended amount of games. Time we got moving on this front. Bring in a minimum of 4 new teams to the A League in as short a time frame as possible.
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jaymz - 5 Mar 2021 11:04 AM
Barca4Life - 4 Mar 2021 5:16 PM

Riley Mcgree and Daniel Arzani are 22, it is not young. Especially in Europe. So i think the reason for the struggle with a lot of our players is in Aus these players are considered young and given slack when their performances arent up to scratch where as in Europe they are considered as mature so expected to play at peak level and not make mistakes. When they do they get dropped. 

We as a league need to start considering 17-19 as young and to instil this mentality in players and better prepare them for overseas. 

Also Arzani whilst talented when he left, only played 24 games at a league level so the league had no prepared him for Europe because he was not here long enough (which is common with Aussie players sadly). Mcgree has only played 79 A league games which is also on the lower end. I think their was a study done where players who went overseas with 100 + A league games did better overseas than those with less. Mooy for example played 102 games in the a league so basically a full extra season (and didnt have it broken up by a euro stint)

Another reason to have a longer season (30 or more league games plus others, e.g., cup games) rather than the shortest season in world football that we have now.
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NixCrewCross - 5 Mar 2021 2:04 PM
So the MLS podcast I listened mentioned that NYCFC is bringing in 5 new players for the upcoming season, including an Australian. Could that be Arzani? 

City has had some decent players spent time there, notably Angelinho(?) now at Leipzig and Herrera now in La Liga at Granada.



Could be. Europe not exactly working for him and June 30 is end of Man City contract. But I guess it could be any of the Melb City players 
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So the MLS podcast I listened mentioned that NYCFC is bringing in 5 new players for the upcoming season, including an Australian. Could that be Arzani? 

City has had some decent players spent time there, notably Angelinho(?) now at Leipzig and Herrera now in La Liga at Granada.



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^ 100% agree jaymz 
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Barca4Life - 4 Mar 2021 5:16 PM
Arzani, McGree two of our recent talents to have come through the aleague as our best prospects and both at the moment are not playing for their clubs.

I know they quite young and can still come good once they find a decent envionment to flourish in, but ill ask this question has the aleague done a good enough job preparing these guys for the tough environment for Europe or is it players themselves that haven't gotten the breaks they need? 

Lets hope they come through because we have seen with former young prospects who have broke though at aleague level and once we have seen them struggle in Europe they come back home, and at least they have established themselves as good aleague players but unfortunately they are not good enough for European football especially at the bigger leagues.

Riley Mcgree and Daniel Arzani are 22, it is not young. Especially in Europe. So i think the reason for the struggle with a lot of our players is in Aus these players are considered young and given slack when their performances arent up to scratch where as in Europe they are considered as mature so expected to play at peak level and not make mistakes. When they do they get dropped. 

We as a league need to start considering 17-19 as young and to instil this mentality in players and better prepare them for overseas. 

Also Arzani whilst talented when he left, only played 24 games at a league level so the league had no prepared him for Europe because he was not here long enough (which is common with Aussie players sadly). Mcgree has only played 79 A league games which is also on the lower end. I think their was a study done where players who went overseas with 100 + A league games did better overseas than those with less. Mooy for example played 102 games in the a league so basically a full extra season (and didnt have it broken up by a euro stint)

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Mileusnic played 64 mins against Brondby


By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.

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Marlee Francois signing a pro contract with Bristol City.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3QDWeRlTz0&ab_channel=BristolCity

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McGree went straight from the A League into a Championship squad and at the start was getting regular minutes & started a couple of times. I watched him play & he was just as good as everyone else & scored a decent goal as well. The fans even acknowledged his good play. For some unknown reason, the fuckwit of a Manager has included him on the bench nearly every week since, without giving him a single minute?!!! The fans have been baying for his blood for ages & you can't blame them - he's taken them from a mid-table team to battling in the relegation zone. 
McGree at least is easily good enough for Europe - not the EPL maybe, but definitely up to the Championship level. He would've done well in the Netherlands.
As much as I loved watching Arzani play, right up to when he did his knee - he isn't the player he was before the injury, which is a tragedy - he could've done anything.
As for the A League not producing quality players - most of the OS Socceroos started in the A League & there are plenty of quality young players developing right now - they just have to develop here for a few more years & then have a crack OS. 

The Roos facebook posted the 11 vs France with the A League badges. That was a marketing campaign right there. Our players certainly have a diverse mix of football education but the A League is a positive part of that. All opinion. Some foreigners find the A League shocking while others are quite complimentary. 
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Birmingham are incredibly poor. The manager is under the pump and has his favourites. McGree's contractual arrangements are the reason he's not playing much. He played well and scored so it can't be merit based.
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Barca4Life - 4 Mar 2021 5:16 PM
Arzani, McGree two of our recent talents to have come through the aleague as our best prospects and both at the moment are not playing for their clubs.

I know they quite young and can still come good once they find a decent envionment to flourish in, but ill ask this question has the aleague done a good enough job preparing these guys for the tough environment for Europe or is it players themselves that haven't gotten the breaks they need? 

Lets hope they come through because we have seen with former young prospects who have broke though at aleague level and once we have seen them struggle in Europe they come back home, and at least they have established themselves as good aleague players but unfortunately they are not good enough for European football especially at the bigger leagues.

McGree went straight from the A League into a Championship squad and at the start was getting regular minutes & started a couple of times. I watched him play & he was just as good as everyone else & scored a decent goal as well. The fans even acknowledged his good play. For some unknown reason, the fuckwit of a Manager has included him on the bench nearly every week since, without giving him a single minute?!!! The fans have been baying for his blood for ages & you can't blame them - he's taken them from a mid-table team to battling in the relegation zone. 
McGree at least is easily good enough for Europe - not the EPL maybe, but definitely up to the Championship level. He would've done well in the Netherlands.
As much as I loved watching Arzani play, right up to when he did his knee - he isn't the player he was before the injury, which is a tragedy - he could've done anything.
As for the A League not producing quality players - most of the OS Socceroos started in the A League & there are plenty of quality young players developing right now - they just have to develop here for a few more years & then have a crack OS. 
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Barca4Life - 4 Mar 2021 5:53 PM
AnthonyC - 4 Mar 2021 5:50 PM

So what’s your solution to this? 

Barca, have you watched Birmingham City play., ?Poor team with total kick and chase mentality. McGree absolutely should be playing. A shame the loan deal from  his newly formed US club was to these turkeys. There are teams in the Championship that try to play football.!Birmingham isn’t one of those 
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AnthonyC - 4 Mar 2021 5:50 PM
Barca4Life - 4 Mar 2021 5:16 PM

Let us not hope. Do they deserve all this attention? The aleague is not a good league, at least for the last few years, and definately not this year. It seems if you have a couple of decent games there's always someone to tell you you're ready to take on the world when it's obvious you're not..

So what’s your solution to this? 
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Barca4Life - 4 Mar 2021 5:16 PM
Arzani, McGree two of our recent talents to have come through the aleague as our best prospects and both at the moment are not playing for their clubs.

I know they quite young and can still come good once they find a decent envionment to flourish in, but ill ask this question has the aleague done a good enough job preparing these guys for the tough environment for Europe or is it players themselves that haven't gotten the breaks they need? 

Lets hope they come through because we have seen with former young prospects who have broke though at aleague level and once we have seen them struggle in Europe they come back home, and at least they have established themselves as good aleague players but unfortunately they are not good enough for European football especially at the bigger leagues.

Let us not hope. Do they deserve all this attention? The aleague is not a good league, at least for the last few years, and definately not this year. It seems if you have a couple of decent games there's always someone to tell you you're ready to take on the world when it's obvious you're not..
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Arzani, McGree two of our recent talents to have come through the aleague as our best prospects and both at the moment are not playing for their clubs.

I know they quite young and can still come good once they find a decent envionment to flourish in, but ill ask this question has the aleague done a good enough job preparing these guys for the tough environment for Europe or is it players themselves that haven't gotten the breaks they need? 

Lets hope they come through because we have seen with former young prospects who have broke though at aleague level and once we have seen them struggle in Europe they come back home, and at least they have established themselves as good aleague players but unfortunately they are not good enough for European football especially at the bigger leagues.
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Arzani really needs to come back home to SFC. Re-build himself and his career. We would use a creative attacking outlet. Former fan and junior, bring him home Danny T. And add O'Neil to that list too!
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BrisbaneBhoy - 3 Mar 2021 1:48 AM
Balin Trev - 2 Mar 2021 11:19 AM


*NOTE - One should scratch off his time at Celtic (and I'm not saying this because I am a Celtic supporter, but), because he was extremely unlucky doing his ACL on his Celtic debut,  and pretty much ruled him for out the rest off his time there

I wanted to reply but quote your entire post.

1. City football group have a fucking plethora of clubs they own... all over the world. Why didn't he go to Girona or New York City Fc? Or Yokohama??? If he goes to one of these clubs I'm sure CFG would have more sway around getting him actual game time.. terrible advice to go anywhere else but these clubs.
2. Celtic aren't flooding youngsters anymore... karomoko or whatever his name is the young African kid who is clearly better than arzani can't even get game time... Daniel was never going to be ahead of him.. again horrible advice.
3. He went to Utrecht purely to keep his Nike deal.
4. Then goes to Denmark? Why not Girona or Yokohama????


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Carter scored in a 2-1 loss.
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apillay12 - 3 Mar 2021 11:07 PM
ISL is finished will we see some Aussies return to the A League?

Donachie, Murray, Inman, Fitzgerlad etc etc

From memory I believe Donachie is returning to the Jets and Neville is returning to Brisbane Roar as they were loan deals that expired in March
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