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grazorblade - 24 Sep 2024 11:21 PM
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Love to see some

There was one on twitter with 'Al Hilal fans when they see Popovic' and it had some white background with ships or something but the main thing was big cat blended in staring in shock. I just chuckled. 
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We do get it as fans but it's easy to forget that not everyone is going to get on. That means coaches and even players in a squad. It's like any group. Maybe Irvine and Duke hardly ever talk for example.

It's just so vital we beat China and the prospect of how Popovic will set up against Japan is very interesting not to mention how the players will perform. 

It's important that Saudi also get just 1 point in the next window. 2 home games against Japan and Bahrain.



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grazorblade - 24 Sep 2024 11:21 PM
Anyone have access to this article care to share?

https://x.com/codefootballau/status/1838534307440398487

It was some wise words from legendary rugby league coach Wayne Bennett that cemented Graham Arnold’s decision to hand over his resignation letter during the Socceroos’ World Cup qualifiers.

The 61-year-old said, on Fox Sports’ The Back Page Live on Tuesday night, the doubts started creeping in following the Socceroos early exit from the 2023 Asian Cup.

Their 0-1 loss to Bahrain in the last international window was the tipping point and Arnold reached out to long time friend Bennett.

“Unless you’re a coach you don’t understand how the coach feels,” Arnold said.

“I’ve got a great relationship with Wayne and always have. I spoke to him straight after the Bahrain game because I’ve been feeling this way for a number of months and he asked me three questions.

“The first question was when you wake up in the morning are you excited to go to meetings and the training pitch - I said no.

“He said when you look into the players’ eyes what do you see? And that’s really crucial because you can see in the players’ eyes if they’re really switched on and they’re focussed and I said no, I don’t think they are.

“The last thing he said to me was if you had a lemon and you squeezed the lemon is there any juice left? I said No.

“He said you’ve answered your own questions and all the best.”

Arnold’s resignation was confirmed by Football Australia on Friday and effective immediately.

The coach reiterated on the show that his decision was based on doing what was best for the team - especially with a spot in the 2026 World Cup on the line.

The Socceroos lost the first match to Bahrain 0-1 and drew with Indonesia 0-0 - taking just one point from a possible six from their first two games. They still have eight games left - with China and Japan their next opponents in October.

Football Australia were quick to hire Arnold’s replacement - taking just four days to officially announce former Melbourne Victory coach Tony Popovic as the new coach.

Arnold wouldn’t comment on his thoughts on how quickly he had been replaced.

But said he had full faith in Popovic’s ability to get the best out of the team.

“What I tried to do is build depth for the squad and I do believe I’m leaving the squad very strong,” Arnold said.

“I expect Tony will do a great job and they’ll qualify direct for the World Cup.”

Arnold, the longest serving and most successful Socceroos coach, said resigning was not a difficult decision.

“Everyone thinks it was a difficult decision but it was quite easy,” he said.

“I always put the nation first, the team first, and myself last. And I just felt that probably ever since the loss in the Asian Cup, I haven’t felt the same, and I’m always honest.

“And you know, the stomach was telling me, the gut was telling me it was time to leave, and “I’d done my best with this group of players and so it was at the end of the day, as I said, it was an easy decision.

“I felt if I did stay on, that maybe things wouldn’t go the way I wanted to. So when you doubt yourself, that’s when you’ve got to get out and, you know, and maybe the players were feeling that a bit, but as I said, it was a decision for the right thing, for the players and the team.”

Arnold said he had no immediate plans other than to relax and enjoy his first free time in six years.

He was quick to rule out the possibility of ever coaching in Australia again.

“I’d like to go on a new journey,” Arnold said.

“I’ve done a lot for Australian football. I’ve been involved for 40 years and given everything that I’ve got and had but it’d be nice to go on a new journey.”

The Socceroos will play China in Adelaide on October 10 and then travel to face Japan on October 15. Just the top two of the six teams in each group will earn direct qualification to the World Cup. Australia sit fifth in their pool, just one point ahead of China and five points behind undefeated Japan.


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Interesting article

He asked wayne bennet for advice on how to win grand finals and turned things around when he kept losing them. Wayne said to not play the game before it happens, because that rubs off on the players.

Arnie became brilliant in must wins. Hope poppa reaches out to wayne if we get into a must win game
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According to thai football sources, arnie twice tried to join the asean championship but was refused twiced as they feared it would make the tournament uneven (surely our 2nd string roos struggle v thailand?)

I wish we would also try for the east asian championship like we did under holger
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grazorblade - 25 Sep 2024 5:41 PM
According to thai football sources, arnie twice tried to join the asean championship but was refused twiced as they feared it would make the tournament uneven (surely our 2nd string roos struggle v thailand?)

I wish we would also try for the east asian championship like we did under holger

I don't understand this.

Our appearance in the AFC I would argue has assisted Asian nations in assisting them dealing with more Physical less technical teams. Just like us being in Asia is (slowly) improving our technical proficiency.

Why would you not want to try and train against your weaknesses, and improve them?
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huddo - 25 Sep 2024 7:26 PM
grazorblade - 25 Sep 2024 5:41 PM

I don't understand this.

Our appearance in the AFC I would argue has assisted Asian nations in assisting them dealing with more Physical less technical teams. Just like us being in Asia is (slowly) improving our technical proficiency.

Why would you not want to try and train against your weaknesses, and improve them?

Because you want to win a cheap trophy against minnows?
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huddo - 25 Sep 2024 7:26 PM
grazorblade - 25 Sep 2024 5:41 PM

I don't understand this.

Our appearance in the AFC I would argue has assisted Asian nations in assisting them dealing with more Physical less technical teams. Just like us being in Asia is (slowly) improving our technical proficiency.

Why would you not want to try and train against your weaknesses, and improve them?

I like the idea. The football calendar feels so rammed yet the Australian off season is way too long. I don't think A League clubs would be please with their players going in July or August for ASEAN. 
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johnszasz - 25 Sep 2024 7:54 PM
huddo - 25 Sep 2024 7:26 PM

I like the idea. The football calendar feels so rammed yet the Australian off season is way too long. I don't think A League clubs would be please with their players going in July or August for ASEAN. 

If they are peripheral players I don't see an issue, it's match time and we're a development league.
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grazorblade - 25 Sep 2024 5:41 PM
According to thai football sources, arnie twice tried to join the asean championship but was refused twiced as they feared it would make the tournament uneven (surely our 2nd string roos struggle v thailand?)

I wish we would also try for the east asian championship like we did under holger

I'd love to give younger A L players a chance in this ASEAN comp.

Indo (probably from all their recently nationalised  players in an Indo diaspora), Thailand and Vietnam, have improved immeasurably in recent times.

The hot and humid ASEAN conditions, would make it tough for Aussies too.
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Decentric 2 - 27 Sep 2024 9:19 AM
grazorblade - 25 Sep 2024 5:41 PM

I'd love to give younger A L players a chance in this ASEAN comp.

Indo (probably from all their recently nationalised  players in an Indo diaspora), Thailand and Vietnam, have improved immeasurably in recent times.

The hot and humid ASEAN conditions, would make it tough for Aussies too.

If you are NOT ready and will send B C team to ASEAN AFF don't do it. It's a suicide.

 It goes for 1 month
None FIFA day
Players playing very very rough and risking injuries 
If Australia lose or draw FIFA ranking will go downhill 
If they win the point will be less than 6 FIFA points (as Australia ranked so high above the rest)
Australia is not that strong to be able to send B C team and get a result.

Even Thailand football fans want Thailand to get out as it s a useless tournament and injury risky. 

Do not join as it will be embarassing for Australia 
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Circati has done his ACL and will be out for the rest of the season and most likely the rest of the qualifiers too. In fucking training too...
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Circati ACL confirmed. Bloody cursed and sickening. FFS. 
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overdue stats analysis of our asian cup campaign. Below I rank each team by possession as measured by total passes completed in the group stage, effective possession as measured by how many passes it took to get a touch in the penalty area and an attack score which is the number of touches in the penalty area divided by the number of goals. For the possession score the higher the better, for the other two the lower the better. I like these stats as complimentary to xG and xA since they tell a different story - how effective you are at converting dangerous situations into goals. An xg being low could indicate a lack of chances, or it could be mistakes made that split second before you get the shot away (e.g. poor ability to shake a marker)

Our possession and effective possession is similar to the asian power houses, but our attack score is 18th in asia, really really poor. This seams to be an issue across all age groups


Qatar

possession: 1173

Effective possession: 15.6

Attack: 15.0 (10th)


Lebanon

possession: 596

Effective possession: 10.3 (2nd)

Attack: 58


Australia

possession: 1611 (4th)

Effective possession: 15.3 (8th)

Attack: 26.3 (18th)


India

possession: 866

Effective possession: 30.9

Attack: inf


China

possession: 862

Effective possession: 14.4 (7th)

Attack: inf


Tajikistan

possession: 982

Effective possession: 17.9

Attack: 27.5


Uzbek

possession: 1263

Effective possession: 20

Attack: 15.8 (12th)


Syria

possession: 750

Effective possession: 12.7 (3rd)

Attack: 59


Japan

possession: 1690 (3rd)

Effective possession: 17

Attack: 12.4 (6th)


Vietnam

possession: 1127

Effective possession: 47

Attack: 6.0 (1st)


UAE

possession: 933

Effective possession: 15.3 (8th)

Attack: 12.2 (5th)


Hong Kong

possession: 329

Effective possession: 6.5 (1st)

Attack: 51


Iran

possession: 1379

Effective possession: 19.4

Attack: 10.6 (4th)


Palestine

possession: 1108

Effective possession: 17

Attack: 13 (7th)


South Korea

possession: 1861 (1st)

Effective possession: 17.7

Attack: 13 (7th)


Bahrain

possession: 1007

Effective possession: 21

Attack: 16 (13th)


Indonesia

possession: 654

Effective possession: 14 (6th)

Attack: 15.3 (11th)


Iraq

possession: 1133

Effective possession: 13.5 (5th)

Attack: 10.5 (3rd)


Malaysia

possession: 637

Effective possession: 15.9

Attack: 13.3 (9th)


Jordan

possession: 1112

Effective possession: 24.2

Attack: 7.7 (2nd)


Thailand

possession: 715

Effective possession: 16.6 

Attack: 21.5 (17th)


Kyrgistan

possession: 800

Effective possession: 28.6

Attack: 28



Saudi Arabia

possession: 1716 (2nd)

Effective possession 12.8 (4th)

Attack: 33.5



Oman

possession: 1179

Effective possession: 17.9

Attack: 33



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the reason some rankings are missing is because i stopped counting once I got to Australia for each category
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bbouy - 28 Sep 2024 3:36 AM
Circati has done his ACL and will be out for the rest of the season and most likely the rest of the qualifiers too. In fucking training too...

Oh no!
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grazorblade - 28 Sep 2024 7:47 PM
overdue stats analysis of our asian cup campaign. Below I rank each team by possession as measured by total passes completed in the group stage, effective possession as measured by how many passes it took to get a touch in the penalty area and an attack score which is the number of touches in the penalty area divided by the number of goals. For the possession score the higher the better, for the other two the lower the better. I like these stats as complimentary to xG and xA since they tell a different story - how effective you are at converting dangerous situations into goals. An xg being low could indicate a lack of chances, or it could be mistakes made that split second before you get the shot away (e.g. poor ability to shake a marker)

Our possession and effective possession is similar to the asian power houses, but our attack score is 18th in asia, really really poor. This seams to be an issue across all age groups


Qatar

possession: 1173

Effective possession: 15.6

Attack: 15.0 (10th)


Lebanon

possession: 596

Effective possession: 10.3 (2nd)

Attack: 58


Australia

possession: 1611 (4th)

Effective possession: 15.3 (8th)

Attack: 26.3 (18th)


India

possession: 866

Effective possession: 30.9

Attack: inf


China

possession: 862

Effective possession: 14.4 (7th)

Attack: inf


Tajikistan

possession: 982

Effective possession: 17.9

Attack: 27.5


Uzbek

possession: 1263

Effective possession: 20

Attack: 15.8 (12th)


Syria

possession: 750

Effective possession: 12.7 (3rd)

Attack: 59


Japan

possession: 1690 (3rd)

Effective possession: 17

Attack: 12.4 (6th)


Vietnam

possession: 1127

Effective possession: 47

Attack: 6.0 (1st)


UAE

possession: 933

Effective possession: 15.3 (8th)

Attack: 12.2 (5th)


Hong Kong

possession: 329

Effective possession: 6.5 (1st)

Attack: 51


Iran

possession: 1379

Effective possession: 19.4

Attack: 10.6 (4th)


Palestine

possession: 1108

Effective possession: 17

Attack: 13 (7th)


South Korea

possession: 1861 (1st)

Effective possession: 17.7

Attack: 13 (7th)


Bahrain

possession: 1007

Effective possession: 21

Attack: 16 (13th)


Indonesia

possession: 654

Effective possession: 14 (6th)

Attack: 15.3 (11th)


Iraq

possession: 1133

Effective possession: 13.5 (5th)

Attack: 10.5 (3rd)


Malaysia

possession: 637

Effective possession: 15.9

Attack: 13.3 (9th)


Jordan

possession: 1112

Effective possession: 24.2

Attack: 7.7 (2nd)


Thailand

possession: 715

Effective possession: 16.6 

Attack: 21.5 (17th)


Kyrgistan

possession: 800

Effective possession: 28.6

Attack: 28



Saudi Arabia

possession: 1716 (2nd)

Effective possession 12.8 (4th)

Attack: 33.5



Oman

possession: 1179

Effective possession: 17.9

Attack: 33



I wonder if  those of the teams not considered powerhouses, like Vietnam, had better attacking stats, because of the scoring ops they had, they involved counters where the opposition was turning and defending facing their own goal? This is the hardest form of defending.

Notwithstanding, the disparity between the goalscoring aspects of Aus play and the their other better facets, is cause  for concern. 

In another thread I've mooted some facets of goalscoring in game performance criteria that need to be included in a new part of the Aus NC, called scoring goals.
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In the Asian Cup seniors, Saudi were worse than us, whereas Japan, Iran and South K were all much better, in the goal scoring data.

Bahrain  and Jordan were high too, as were UAE. Qatar and Uzbek were a bit better than us.
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I think one challenge with standard theory in possession football tiring the opposition is that oppositions usually have to last 60min with 30 percent possession. Deep blocks are often broken late in the game

With asian refs allowing so much shenanigans you might only get 45 minutes which makes it a must less daunting prospect

if you are as good as japan then it becomes no issue it seams, but asian reffing makes it much harder to player against a deep block because you cant use fatigue to your advantage
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grazorblade - 30 Sep 2024 4:38 AM
@decentric @RIMB
I think one challenge with standard theory in possession football tiring the opposition is that oppositions usually have to last 60min with 30 percent possession. Deep blocks are often broken late in the game

With asian refs allowing so much shenanigans you might only get 45 minutes which makes it a must less daunting prospect

if you are as good as japan then it becomes no issue it seams, but asian reffing makes it much harder to player against a deep block because you cant use fatigue to your advantage

Definitely agree with this train of thought, weaker Asian teams know we'll wear them down with possession based play so their cooking the clock like we've never seen before. 46 minutes of football in a match is a disgrace. If swift counter attacks with real purpose isn't introduced then this trend will continue.
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@grazorblade, if attack score is number of touches in penalty area divided by number of goals, how do you get Australia's value of 26.3, when they haven't scored a goal yet?

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grazorblade - 30 Sep 2024 4:38 AM
@decentric @RIMB
I think one challenge with standard theory in possession football tiring the opposition is that oppositions usually have to last 60min with 30 percent possession. Deep blocks are often broken late in the game

With asian refs allowing so much shenanigans you might only get 45 minutes which makes it a must less daunting prospect

if you are as good as japan then it becomes no issue it seams, but asian reffing makes it much harder to player against a deep block because you cant use fatigue to your advantage

Good point.

The congestion also helps time wasting as we have seen teams colliding with their own players to create the injury stoppages. Keepers get more chances to be 'injured' too in the repetitive cycling of attack and clear in the low block.

Our one previous advantage in tiring teams and the low block was Souttar's height and the ability to put a ball on his head (Tim Cahill strategy). Tiring players have trouble leaping high enough to be effective. We did not manage to do that well in the last couple of games either.

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Keeper66 - 30 Sep 2024 7:25 AM
@grazorblade, if attack score is number of touches in penalty area divided by number of goals, how do you get Australia's value of 26.3, when they haven't scored a goal yet?

This is from the asia cup. Obviously we are worse in 3rd rd of quals haha
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grazorblade - 30 Sep 2024 3:32 PM
Keeper66 - 30 Sep 2024 7:25 AM

This is from the asia cup. Obviously we are worse in 3rd rd of quals haha

Sorry, overlooked that part. My mistake.
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Dan_The_Red - 30 Sep 2024 6:40 AM
grazorblade - 30 Sep 2024 4:38 AM

Definitely agree with this train of thought, weaker Asian teams know we'll wear them down with possession based play so their cooking the clock like we've never seen before. 46 minutes of football in a match is a disgrace. If swift counter attacks with real purpose isn't introduced then this trend will continue.

Is it possible to have swift transitions against a team parking the bus tho? When they transition and have a rare entry into our final 3rd they might have only 2 to 3 forward
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Roar in me Blood - 30 Sep 2024 11:06 AM
grazorblade - 30 Sep 2024 4:38 AM

Good point.

The congestion also helps time wasting as we have seen teams colliding with their own players to create the injury stoppages. Keepers get more chances to be 'injured' too in the repetitive cycling of attack and clear in the low block.

Our one previous advantage in tiring teams and the low block was Souttar's height and the ability to put a ball on his head (Tim Cahill strategy). Tiring players have trouble leaping high enough to be effective. We did not manage to do that well in the last couple of games either.

Yeah its crazy that if they dont get fouled they run into each otherin order to feign an injury and wind down the clock
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Roar in me Blood - 30 Sep 2024 11:06 AM
grazorblade - 30 Sep 2024 4:38 AM

Good point.

The congestion also helps time wasting as we have seen teams colliding with their own players to create the injury stoppages. Keepers get more chances to be 'injured' too in the repetitive cycling of attack and clear in the low block.

Our one previous advantage in tiring teams and the low block was Souttar's height and the ability to put a ball on his head (Tim Cahill strategy). Tiring players have trouble leaping high enough to be effective. We did not manage to do that well in the last couple of games either.

the lack of ability to put in a nhalf decent cross by australian players these days is is a major problem
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Thump3r - 30 Sep 2024 4:09 PM
Roar in me Blood - 30 Sep 2024 11:06 AM

the lack of ability to put in a nhalf decent cross by australian players these days is is a major problem

Goodwin can do it from the left and Irankunda can do it from the right. Both have the ability to carry the ball rather than just get in behind and boot it in.

Arzani tends to make brilliant crosses if the player on the end has the same thought process as him. We saw a lot of 'great' crossing last season from Arzani creating certain goals if there had been a player anticipating the placement and timing. I can't see a national team player being familiar enough to capitalise on Arzani's unexpected creativity.

The bulk of crosses we have been putting in have been pretty dire for years in my memory.

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grazorblade - 30 Sep 2024 3:43 PM
Dan_The_Red - 30 Sep 2024 6:40 AM

Is it possible to have swift transitions against a team parking the bus tho? When they transition and have a rare entry into our final 3rd they might have only 2 to 3 forward

Better to try attacking a defensive block of 7-8 players scrambling, than 10 players in set positions.
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