Nate
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So apparently our pre-game entertainment is what looks like a Year 8 girl's pop group.
The fucking hell Sage?
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Former NYL GK Jordan Franken has gone to Hume City in the Victorian NPL
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Nebo has value. We're lucky to have him. Can sell, swap or keep Castro is filthy good, all we need as a playmaker really and Keogh's not bad at a through ball either. Taggart is a welcomed addition, cos he loves to run. How much running will he do? I reckon Harold probably has more explosive running ability than Taggart. This is funny, cos he might end up learning more at Glory than he has @ Fulham & Dundee
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Rockypigs wrote: Apsrt from the odd free kick what does Nebo actually bring to the team?
How many great balls do you see him put in for the strikers? He doesn't command the midfield and goes missing during games. He is no longer the "set piece specialist" as Ox and Castro are more then capable of scoring. IMO he is a waste of a Visa spot.
How good would it be to have a decent creative midfielder who can weave some magic and help feed the striker force Glory are forming? This. He didn't want Castro taking the free kick against Newcastle because he knows that's the only thing he brings to the team. Contracts don't seem to carry much weight at the Glory, hopefully we can ship him off at the end of the season.
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Eastern Glory wrote:biscuitman1871 wrote:hotrod wrote:biscuitman1871 wrote:highkick05 wrote:licking my lips w/ our attack .. keogh up front .. tagz to the left & Castro all over the shop :D Harold on wing/crumb duty
did someone say Zac Anderson is a poosibilty /? No - he isn't West Australian The word is we are getting Jesse Makarounas and Riley Woodcock back and Chris Herd is a possibility as well. Yes please. [-o< Any of those 3. Woodcock should not have been released last season and Maka was another dumb decision. FFS Woodcock wasn't released. His contract ended and he refused the offer of another one. I have it second hand that he was actually hiding from Kenny while waiting from confirmation from Sydney. Makarounas has been featuring for Victory just a little more recent times - it was his cross that created the own goal that won Victory the most recent Big Blue clash. But he's still he's only a bit-part player, down the pecking order in the rotation of a full strength Victory squad? He would be a great signing for our squad's needs - a left footed, LW option with the departed Sidnei and lack of naturally left sided options generally that side of the field. More opportunities would certainly abound for him too here perhaps, unlike the last time he was here? His return would be a bit of a story for the club and fans especially, given the context of his departure! Chris Herd signed a new longer deal with Chesterfield, just a week ago: Quote:http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/herds-new-deal-roos-boostChris Herd’s bid to win back his spot in the Socceroos squad has been boosted after signing a new deal with Chesterfield. Herd, 26, joined the English League One club in August on a four-month deal after being released by Aston Villa. The midfielder, who hasn’t played for Australia since October 2014, has only been handed a contract until the end of this season.Herd has made 16 appearances for the Spireites in central midfield this season. Oh it's only to the end of this season, but it seems to reflect he's progressing well, seeing a sustained run of fitness and form? That will only help to prove his return to football and his attractiveness as a proposition for higher level clubs in the UK? Then again, like Lowry, Taggart and some other returnees to the A-League, could be seen as a good way to re-boot his career and improve his Socceroos prospects under Ange? :-k Edited by GloryPerth: 28/1/2016 04:37:30 AM
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hotrod wrote:If these signings are part of a 4-year strategy, then they are foundations of the right stuff.
Having a locally born a bred squad was part of the consultant's report IIRC. Just a shame it's about 3-4 years too late.
What I fear is Reiners getting frozen out.
Might not happen if Keogh is played as the #9 with Taggart playing a winger, but Taggart is a striker, so not sure if he would be suited to a winger's role similar to Harold ATM.
Might necessitate a change to two up front.
Castro is suited to his drifting role as this seems to confuse to opposition defenders and he has the skills to easily nutmeg them so not sure a 4-4-2 would suit. Glory need that extra man in MF and speed on the wings.
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It might mean that Harold/Taggart/Keogh rotate between wings and the striker position, but that takes a lot of communication between players. It's hard enough with 2 players, almost impossible with 3. At least Reiners can get a run as a wing/striker replacement. That's a good point hotrod - it's exciting seeing these lads return, all at once :cool: , but tactically how will we line-up, with Keogh also secured and the changes to the rotation that comes with. Thwaite and Risdon on their way out too, Glory have to again adjust 'within the cap'. These departures all free up space, but hopefully Glory can find the adequate quality for all the areas. But so far, so very good? Reiners could still feature similar to now, an option behind Harold, LW and Castro? If it's a front two or Taggart behind Keogh with Castro a little deeper - guess we can only wait and see? As some of you have said, Taggart has featured on the flanks in his career - so more of a kind of straight replacement for Sidnei, option on the LW (A Cirio/Novillo-like inverted Winger?), could still be possible? biscuitman1871 wrote:hotrod wrote:
Save some money and just use Tyson as #1.
I think there is a reason why Tyson has been #2 at every club he has been at outside of Hong Kong. He is exactly the type of #2 you want though as he engages with fans, is a great team man and doesn't moan. Having watched him train though, I am not confident he is up to being first choice for an extended period. Jones would be too expensive unless he has made enough over his career to want to come back as a lifestyle choice.Covic has probably done enough for another contract if he wants to stay on. My reservation with him is that while he is still a great shot stopper, if we want to move away from sitting back and defending then counter attacking to actually building up from the back and playing a better style of football, then I don't think his kicking and distribution are up to it. Assuming we are going with an Australian keeper I would be very interested in Nathan Coe if he recovers from his back issue or either Theo or Young from Brisbane as I don't think either of them is prepared to be #2. Interesting comments biscuit - Coe's an interesting one, he's only 31 and he seems to be available? I suspect with Jones, Glory COULD secure him via such an angle? He's had a long and relatively successful career in the UK and will be entering his mid-30s next season. It might be seem he may still have something to offer in Europe, but it depends on what options he actually has on his table? Just look at Lowry - 26 and signing with Glory! Could've easily stayed in the UK, with some Champ/League One club. SausageMahoney wrote:its hard to stay mad at glory after recent weeks. i think Lowry is a very underrated signing. from the little ive seen of him in the past ive been impressed.
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Rockypigs wrote: Apsrt from the odd free kick what does Nebo actually bring to the team?
How many great balls do you see him put in for the strikers? He doesn't command the midfield and goes missing during games. He is no longer the "set piece specialist" as Ox and Castro are more then capable of scoring. IMO he is a waste of a Visa spot.
How good would it be to have a decent creative midfielder who can weave some magic and help feed the striker force Glory are forming? Contract to end 16/17 season
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Apsrt from the odd free kick what does Nebo actually bring to the team?
How many great balls do you see him put in for the strikers? He doesn't command the midfield and goes missing during games. He is no longer the "set piece specialist" as Ox and Castro are more then capable of scoring. IMO he is a waste of a Visa spot.
How good would it be to have a decent creative midfielder who can weave some magic and help feed the striker force Glory are forming?
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Eastern Glory
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highkick05 wrote:Nate wrote:Fucking ECU Joondalup reunion up in here. yep went there, never played soccer there but missed out by 1 on the interversity ECU basketball team. Coach decided he was good enough to make the team so I was first in line. kient was shit too, prob why they never got close to winning it lol. fuck we went without a loss in the ECU comp too , not because of me obviously noo too shit :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Nate wrote:Fucking ECU Joondalup reunion up in here. yep went there, never played soccer there but missed out by 1 on the interversity ECU basketball team. Coach decided he was good enough to make the team so I was first in line. kient was shit too, prob why they never got close to winning it lol. fuck we went without a loss in the ECU comp too , not because of me obviously noo too shit
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biscuitman1871 wrote:hotrod wrote:biscuitman1871 wrote:highkick05 wrote:licking my lips w/ our attack .. keogh up front .. tagz to the left & Castro all over the shop :D Harold on wing/crumb duty
did someone say Zac Anderson is a poosibilty /? No - he isn't West Australian The word is we are getting Jesse Makarounas and Riley Woodcock back and Chris Herd is a possibility as well. Yes please. [-o< Any of those 3. Woodcock should not have been released last season and Maka was another dumb decision. FFS Woodcock wasn't released. His contract ended and he refused the offer of another one. I have it second hand that he was actually hiding from Kenny while waiting from confirmation from Sydney.
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Fucking ECU Joondalup reunion up in here.
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Can Riley Woodcock and Andy Ord settle their differences?
Would be happy to have him back as I thought he showed promise and had good attacking energy from left back.
Makarounas seems very injury prone and I fear his time with us will lead to very few opportunities.
A Castro/Keogh/Taggart front line is rather slow, but that's what they are looking at with the recruiting decisions. Won't be putting Taggart on the bench too much, not after the Maclaren debacle and words from CEO about building the team around him. If we play with two strikers, it makes it harder to fit Nebo in and you can forget about warhorses like Garcia.
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hotrod wrote:biscuitman1871 wrote:highkick05 wrote:licking my lips w/ our attack .. keogh up front .. tagz to the left & Castro all over the shop :D Harold on wing/crumb duty
did someone say Zac Anderson is a poosibilty /? No - he isn't West Australian The word is we are getting Jesse Makarounas and Riley Woodcock back and Chris Herd is a possibility as well. Yes please. [-o< Any of those 3. Woodcock should not have been released last season and Maka was another dumb decision. FFS Woodcock wasn't released. His contract ended and he refused the offer of another one. I have it second hand that he was actually hiding from Kenny while waiting from confirmation from Sydney.
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biscuitman1871 wrote:highkick05 wrote:licking my lips w/ our attack .. keogh up front .. tagz to the left & Castro all over the shop :D Harold on wing/crumb duty
did someone say Zac Anderson is a poosibilty /? No - he isn't West Australian The word is we are getting Jesse Makarounas and Riley Woodcock back and Chris Herd is a possibility as well. Yes please. [-o< Any of those 3. Woodcock should not have been released last season and Maka was another dumb decision.
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highkick05 wrote:licking my lips w/ our attack .. keogh up front .. tagz to the left & Castro all over the shop :D Harold on wing/crumb duty
did someone say Zac Anderson is a poosibilty /? No - he isn't West Australian The word is we are getting Jesse Makarounas and Riley Woodcock back and Chris Herd is a possibility as well.
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licking my lips w/ our attack .. keogh up front .. tagz to the left & Castro all over the shop :D Harold on wing/crumb duty did someone say Zac Anderson is a poosibilty /?
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hotrod wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:Woah... I'm shocked that people are putting Ferreira anywhere near a stadium, let alone ahead of Nebo :S
Also, next year, we'll have two like for like strikers in Taggart and Keogh which indicates that Kenny wants us to be more mobile in the front third with lots off running off the ball. That's why I think Holman is perfect. He's the perfect Kenny player. Ferreira puts in a lot more than Nebo. Nebo appears to be lumbering this season. Just think there needs to be more mobility unless you are a key player like Castro/Keogh. Don't see Nebo as Key and Ferrira can play MF or RB/LB if required at a pinch. I'll pay more attention to him next time. I know he works hard, but sometimes I wonder whether he knows it's a ball sport. Agreed that Nebo isn't essential next season but IMO we need him when you consider the other options right now. I'm interested to see whether Kenny uses Taggart as a RW or as a striker. If we play with two out and out strikers, I think we'll be too thin in midfield. Edited by eastern glory: 27/1/2016 06:49:55 PM
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Eastern Glory wrote:Woah... I'm shocked that people are putting Ferreira anywhere near a stadium, let alone ahead of Nebo :S
Also, next year, we'll have two like for like strikers in Taggart and Keogh which indicates that Kenny wants us to be more mobile in the front third with lots off running off the ball. That's why I think Holman is perfect. He's the perfect Kenny player. Ferreira puts in a lot more than Nebo. Nebo appears to be lumbering this season. Just think there needs to be more mobility unless you are a key player like Castro/Keogh. Don't see Nebo as Key and Ferrira can play MF or RB/LB if required at a pinch.
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Woah... I'm shocked that people are putting Ferreira anywhere near a stadium, let alone ahead of Nebo :S
Also, next year, we'll have two like for like strikers in Taggart and Keogh which indicates that Kenny wants us to be more mobile in the front third with lots off running off the ball. That's why I think Holman is perfect. He's the perfect Kenny player.
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GloryB wrote:@HR - I agree with you about Marinkovic's limitations, but he has another year, so we are gonna have to fit him in I would say.
I would see next year being more like:
Castro---Taggart---Keogh
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---Sandor---DM Import
Lowry--Djulbic--Grant--Williams/Collard
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With the front three switching around a bit. Keogh originally a winger, and whilst his raw pace is nothing to behold, he does like to run and could be a good wing forward bringing Taggart into the play. Other than Taggart, it isn't a particularly pacey front three is it? I think what you have suggested is very likely (although with Grant at left CB and Djulibic at right CB) with Harold, Reiners, Oxborrow/Fereirra, Tyson, Williams/Collard on the bench. Offload Gligor and Zadkovich. IMO we should recruit a proactive keeper who can play well with his feet as that line up should be able to play a good brand of football.
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@HR - I agree with you about Marinkovic's limitations, but he has another year, so we are gonna have to fit him in I would say.
I would see next year being more like:
Castro---Taggart---Keogh
------Marinkovich
---Sandor---DM Import
Lowry--Djulbic--Grant--Williams/Collard
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With the front three switching around a bit. Keogh originally a winger, and whilst his raw pace is nothing to behold, he does like to run and could be a good wing forward bringing Taggart into the play.
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RedKat wrote:That and Lowry isnt a RB. Assuming Risdon stays (which would be unlikely) having Keogh and Taggart suggests two up front so maybe the following:
---------------------Covic--------------------------- Risdon---Lowry---------Djulbic-------Warren ---------------------Ferreira----------------------- -----------Sandor------------Marinkovic----- -----------------------Castro--------------------- ---------------Keogh---------Taggart---------- As much as the two of then up front makes sense, that would be a very narrow formation. I can't see Sandor and Marinkovic working out on the wings and they are not pacey. I see Risdon leaving so the RB position becomes an issue. He needs to be replaced with similar quality with the ability to get forward. If Glory are going to go with local younger talent then they should make use of that with pacey wingers.
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GloryB wrote:I think you may be forgetting Marinkovic.
Agree that fitting in Taggart/Keogh will bring back a bit of the Maclaren dilemma. Nope. Not sure how he fits in. Sandor is more defensive and Ferreira is more mobile and gets around a bit more. He's not a winger. A bit of a dilemma for me. He might come in in the place of Ferreira, but then some of that midfield mobility is lost to his attacking ability.
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I think you may be forgetting Marinkovic.
Agree that fitting in Taggart/Keogh will bring back a bit of the Maclaren dilemma.
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If these signings are part of a 4-year strategy, then they are foundations of the right stuff. Having a locally born a bred squad was part of the consultant's report IIRC. Just a shame it's about 3-4 years too late. What I fear is Reiners getting frozen out. Might not happen if Keogh is played as the #9 with Taggart playing a winger, but Taggart is a striker, so not sure if he would be suited to a winger's role similar to Harold ATM. Might necessitate a change to two up front. Castro is suited to his drifting role as this seems to confuse to opposition defenders and he has the skills to easily nutmeg them so not sure a 4-4-2 would suit. Glory need that extra man in MF and speed on the wings. So the foreseeable future the best starting 11 might be: ---------------------Covic--------------------------- Risdon-----Lowry---------Grant-------Warren -------------------------Sandor--------------------- -------------Ferreira-------------------------------- Harold-------------Castro----------------Garcia ------------------------Keogh----------------------- A bit slow on the left and Warren rarely pushes forwards. Reiners still gets a run on the wings or striker. Next season with no injuries etc: ---------------------Covic--------------------------- Lowry-----Grant---------Djulbic-------Warren -------------------------Sandor--------------------- ------------Ferreira--------------------------------- Harold-------------Castro--------------Taggart ------------------------Keogh----------------------- It might mean that Harold/Taggart/Keogh rotate between wings and the striker position, but that takes a lot of communication between players. It's hard enough with 2 players, almost impossible with 3. At least Reiners can get a run as a wing/striker replacement.
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Not Young, he is far too shaky, esp with his feet.
Taggart deal is a good 'un. Not totally convinced by him, but he is local and should be good enough for the A League. I suppose we can front load his deal for this season when our cap spend is (presumably) down to compensate for next year when we get in more players. This season is kind of shot anyway.
I think the last import should be a DM to partner Sandor. Need one who is a good screener but who also can play the ball around to energise our ball movement into attack. I think Zadkovich lacks this second quality and just disrupts our creativity and transition in midfield. Get in a quality DM and provide an improved CM 2 platform for a reasonable first choice front 4: Castro, Taggart, Keogh, Nebo. We also have squaddies like Harold and possibly Oxborrow, Garcia (sigh) and a chance for players like Reiners and Knowles to get some time as part of the front 4.
Backline is much better with Lowry, esp if he can play some LB. Really hoping that Collard can push on at RB.
My main concern is that we still have Lowe and the new signings won't really alter the way we play which, with the odd exception, is pretty negative and uninspiring for home fans.
But v good to get in some locals who may be cheaper to recruit and provide more interest for the fans.
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its hard to stay mad at glory after recent weeks. i think Lowry is a very underrated signing. from the little ive seen of him in the past ive been impressed.
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hotrod wrote:Akumastarr wrote:highkick05 wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:Taggart and Lowry signed in a day. So good!
Holman and a LB for next season and I'm cheering! Lowry can play immediately or not? Holman that's a tough one We shouldn't worry about Holman, we look like we are trying to move away from the days of signing overpaid eastern staters looking to retire in Oz and have no real passion for the club beyond a paycheck. Signing Taggart and Lowry is excellent! We need talent but targeting Perth boys at the same time will make sure the culture at the club is in a good state. I hear we will need a new decent GK as well. Covic is quality but hearsay suggests his family don't like living in Perth. Lowe should target Brad Jones as a replacement. Perth boy, played at a great level (lets forget the Uruguay drop through the hands incident), has trained with the club not long ago and looks to be available soon (he signed for a club in Holland called Nijmegen for six months in early January). Hire him on merit but at the same time, get the % of Perth players playing for Glory up further! Save some money and just use Tyson as #1. I think there is a reason why Tyson has been #2 at every club he has been at outside of Hong Kong. He is exactly the type of #2 you want though as he engages with fans, is a great team man and doesn't moan. Having watched him train though, I am not confident he is up to being first choice for an extended period. Jones would be too expensive unless he has made enough over his career to want to come back as a lifestyle choice. Covic has probably done enough for another contract if he wants to stay on. My reservation with him is that while he is still a great shot stopper, if we want to move away from sitting back and defending then counter attacking to actually building up from the back and playing a better style of football, then I don't think his kicking and distribution are up to it. Assuming we are going with an Australian keeper I would be very interested in Nathan Coe if he recovers from his back issue or either Theo or Young from Brisbane as I don't think either of them is prepared to be #2.
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