Happy with McGarry taking them actually.

The good news guys, is that everyday Garcia hasn't signed a contract elsewhere means he could still sign for us :lol:

It makes sense with Smeltz being the penalty taker but yeah he isnt that great. Who will take our set pieces with Miller gone? My memory is blank im sure he took the majority?

Burns should be Glory's penalty taker, he has proven he is a big game player and calm under pressure! Obviously rates himself enough to take the 5th and deciding pen in a semi final, and took it calm as you like. As captain he should be stepping up and making sure of it!!!

Say what? Since when have clubs been allowed 2 Aussie Marquees (aside from Youth)? News to me.

Yeah, one is still technically classed as an international marquee. Smeltz was classed as the international marquee due to Sterjovski being the Australian marquee, but was not classed as a visa player!!

Nope, clarified by the FFA when we got Smeltz- the rule is if a club uses both marquee positions at least one marquee must be Australian. The rule is to promote local talent first, rather than hiring two foreign stars.

Well the club announced him as their international marquee due to Sterjovski being shifted to Australian marquee when Perth signed Fowler. It was the same at Victory with Thompson being the Australian marquee and Kewell the international marquee. Perth waited for confirmstion that they could sign him as their internstional marquee while not taking up a visa spot, before announcing his signing. You are right that you can have two marquees as long as one is Ozzie. He is still technically classed as the international marquee. He can be shifted to Australian marquee should Perth sign an international.

Here's a link to an article at the time of his signing.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/perth-glory-sign-shane-smeltz-on-three-year-deal/story-e6frf4gl-1226041530123#.UdkWO78ayc0

You have confused yourself with media terminology. You have it essentially right in concept but you are labelling players as things they are not- if you have two marquees who are Australian and the one who has been around the longest leaves you can sign a foreign marquee. There is no "shifting" involved, neither Australian player is considered an international marquee (or they would be required to take a visa spot.) Yes they occupy a position that the club could have utilised for an international marquee, but they are not an international player in the eyes of the league. This was only bandied about as a means of conceptualising the marquee system. Glory were concerned about the wording of the marquee rules in this regard but FFA gave them the green light. This discussion should have ended there but it was not communicated properly through the media, possibly due to the clubs/FFA thinking that it is largely irrelevant to the general public.

Put it this way- if a club has a full squad yet doesn't use one of its available visa spots is one of the local players a visa player? Of course not. If any of the local players leave mid season, can the club sign a foreigner? Of course.

Do you have any reference material to this? Not that I don't believe you it's just that I've only ever seen it as 1+1 marquees and never seen it mentioned or implemented that it can be two Australian marquees.

From what I've read, like Rooster, is that Smeltz could be labelled as an Overseas Marquee because his NZ passport but doesn't count as a visa player in the squad because he has an Australian passport. Thus having signed 5 VISA players last year.

That makes sense to me, so I'm unsure why it's different all of a sudden. Also in your hypothetical, what happens if the player who's been at the club the shortest leaves?

It can be two Australians marquees, Sydney had Carle + Emerton and Melbourne Victory had Kewell + Thompson.

There have been zero public media statements, however there are precedents set- Perth and as mentioned by A16Man Sydney and Melbourne. As I said, clarification of the wording of the marquee law is a club-FFA issue not a fan issue.


The FFA does not require that your second marquee have a non-australian passport. Again, see Sydney and Melbourne.


It's not different, it is the same as it has always been intended. The rule exists to prevent richer clubs buying two overseas marquees, from which there is a larger and arguably better talent pool to choose from, thus gaining an advantage over the poorer clubs (at the expense of Australian players as well.) The ambiguity of the wording of the law lead to confusion on the behalf of Perth, who sought advice from the FFA as to where they stood with regards to wanting smeltz as a non-visa marquee with mile on the books already.

In your reverse hypothetical- nothing changes? I don't see your point. If the club has one Australian marquee, they can recruit a second globally. If the club has one visa marquee they can only recruit an Australian marquee. If the club has two Australian marquees and either leaves they are in situation one, ie: they can recruit globally.

No look I haven't confused myself with media terminology, after all it was FFA who firstly coined the term International marquee. All the above mentioned clubs had requests approved, to sign the above mentioned players outside the cap as international marquees. Kewell and Emerton spoke for themselves and Smeltz is the most prolific goal scorer the a league has seen.

As far as the A league and FFA are concerned at the time they were international marquees. Harry moved on, Emerton shifted to Australian marquee when ADP arrived and Carle was loaned out and Smeltz is the lone marquee at Perth.

I think you are taking the term international marquee to literally, you don't have to be a foreigner to be an international marquee!

Harry's in the same situation as Smeltz :D

I'm sure Carle/Emerton, at least one has another passport but ok then.

If it doesn't matter which one leaves first I was confused as to why you mentioned it.

I agree with this.

He was incredibly calm and collected against the mariners.
But I don't feel he needs confidence boosting in friendlies and this should be given to the likes of Smeltz and other players to try and boost confidence.

Couldn't Thwaite be a decent penalty-taker? I presume Smeltz still takes penalties because he still does the best in training sessions... but at some point you have to say you've missed a few in games it's someone else's turn.

I think the idea of the "International Marquee" name was that it was a player who had a high reputation internationally... be they foreign (Fowler, Yorke, Del Piero) or Aussie(Kewell, Culina).

The idea of the additional "Australian Marquee" spot was basically to allow extra Socceroos back into the A-League particularly those from the 2006 World Cup... not really sure how many times that's been used though (Sterjovski, Smeltz (would make more sense if he was at Wellington), Thompson? Milligan? Garcia? North?)



If Glory had Smeltz *and* a proper big-name marquee I'd be happy... but I still reckon Smeltz alone is a waste of marquee money. You could get 80% as good a player at a reasonable wage within the salary cap... and indeed on last season's form you could get a better player (I'd argue Harold, Mehmet, Nagai and even Dodd were better-performed forwards than Smeltz).

Does anyone think there's *any* chance of us signing a second marquee? Or will Garcia and someone like Kisnorbo/Spiranovic/Madaschi the best we can hope as a big name for the season?

Then, for foreigners, I'd suspect now we might sign the Brazilian trialist and look to play Nagai through the middle or out on the right. There's a story from the Redditch times also suggesting we've been monitoring some British guy from the SA State League... anyone aware of this? Wouldn't mind taking a gamble with one of our Visa spots given the squad status (although if we miss out on an Aussie CB we could look for a good foreign one I guess).

Smeltz had an off year last year, by his own standards. Poor guy's body has been smashed up enough in the last 12-18 months that I'd understand it, too. I think he'll come better this year if he stays with us and doesn't go overseas. That said, I think we need a striker to play alongside him or back him up if he gets out of form. And if he does get out of form, like anyone else in the team, he should come under consideration for the drop. I have more faith in Ali to drop big names than I have any other Glory coach for some time too.




Oh, hi. :wave:

Supporter T-Shirt Design Voting

I personally like A and D.

there much better than I thought we would be offered.
I voted for A
only just over D like you said Benjo,

I also really liked B.

Only one I wasn't a fan of was E the gorilla even though its tied with B in first place.

I am a huge fan of the glory gorilla but don't want it on a shirt.

E is a bit childish. I'm going for A, but would buy D as well.

Voted A but i liked B also, D didn't show properly for me and E...good god it actually has %20.

A good initiative from the club.

You can view them on the club's facebook page. D is basically a barcode in purple and orange. Actually really nice.

For me, which of them could I wear out to the movies, it would look good and no one would recognise it's a supporters shirt? Definitely A or D. B isn't too bad, but it's just a supporters shirt. There's nothing wrong with that at all, but I think with A and D you could wear and they look nice enough no one would guess they were made for Perth Glory.

Oh i can see the barcode i just don't get how it will be imprinted on the top?

Yeah i would actually wear one of these outside a football game.

Thanks Redkat, Gosnells ay.

Good to see all the youngsters getting a start.





Edited by Iridium1010: 5/8/2013 11:28:05 PM

Only starting with 10?

Ugh I should have gone down to watch the Gosnells match, it's just down the road.

great start.

Yeah only two signed. Would be competing with Nagai on the left wing it looks like. Fair enough I suppose.

He would be the no11 on the team sheet. I wonder who the 22 trialist is.

McGarry is apparently eligible for citizenship midway through the season too, so we are indeed fairly light on for visa players.

Yeh, Sciola arrived just before Nagai was confirmed, so I suspect his trial was partly motivated as looking at another option if Ryo did not come. Would have to be thinking of playing one of them in another spot if Ali were to sign Sciola. See that Ali took Sciola off pretty early - perhaps Ali knows all he need to know (either way).

If there's a complete lack of left-winger options I don't really mind. I don't subscribe to the school of thought that a visa player HAS to be starting XI material. If they help the team with depth or a direct need, or they need a couple of years to develop then thats fine by mean.

Who wants to see every team with 5/11 starting VISA players anyway.