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Indeed a Brilliant Goal by De Silva
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Yeah, I think a few of us did say that we are missing that technical passer in the middle.

Like what has been said, De Silva off the bench, ~30 minutes, is all we can really expect. He's 16, there is no point if the club wish to develop him (which they do) to throw him on and make him play a full game every week.

And since he's a sub, he can't be the passing lynchpin at the head of a midfield triangle.
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-=GLoRiOuS=- wrote:
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Interesting input guys, good to follow as this pre-season enters the latter period - get a better idea of how this team shapes up. Thank you.


BTW, as a talking point - Am I right to suggest Glory and even Western Australia, but just sticking with Perth Glory, don't always get a 'fair deal' - in relation to their Eastern Cousins? I mean in terms of recognition, coverage and even 'sometimes' in practical ways, with the FFA or what not? I know Glory has lacked the success or what, but the 'Sydney-Melbourne bias' over there in the coverage and what not, just dominates or pervades and I know that's 'a given' generally, but just some times, I'd like to see Glory talked about a little more, or recognised, or some input via a source who ISN'T based in only Sydney or Melbourne! This is in terms of the 'A-League coverage' from Foxsports, TWG and even, dare I say, FFT?!

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Glory dont get any recognition or coverage in our own state, AFL bias WA, let alone trying to get coverage over east


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I think its understandable that we dont get enough coverage. Unless we are really successful the viewing numbers for the eastern states teams are far outweigh us over here in the West.

Maybe we need to make our own youtube show or something


You guys are right ofcourse, but Glory ARE improving though - made the finals last few seasons and EVEN the Grand Final season before last. Yeah, I know we know that was a 'kind of' fluke/over-achievement or what not, but still they don't talk about Glory or it's players, don't recognise them, not compared to 'their own' teams. Bias is so evident in A-League coverage, especially with the amount of 'Sydney FC fans' in the coverage be it TWG (Fos and Zdrilla atleast, prob Les too), Foxsports (Bozza, Slater etc...), probably FFT too. Heck, MOST of them are based in Sydney, sigh!

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Yeah, I think a few of us did say that we are missing that technical passer in the middle.

Like what has been said, De Silva off the bench, ~30 minutes, is all we can really expect. He's 16, there is no point if the club wish to develop him (which they do) to throw him on and make him play a full game every week.

And since he's a sub, he can't be the passing lynchpin at the head of a midfield triangle.


Yeah and even at the Mariners, Arnie limited Ibini's match time, despite his growing impact, due to well, 'the impact of his growing' - he was experiencing a growth spurt! Thing was, Ibini was like 19 or so at the time too, so a fair bit older than De Silva.

So De Silva's 'teething period' may last a little longer yet? Especially with a couple more years of school to run!

BTW Wonderful technique by De Silva there, to first touch juggle/dink it over a closing player like that AND collecting it first time after, like he had ball on a string! So while it was nice to finish it with the goal, I know you guys are more impressed by the technique he showed in lead up - think he beat like three players there for the goal (via technique mostly)!

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The amount of issues Glory has with this stadium and it's management are really piling up.

I wonder if there is a way... The Town of Vincent would have a contract with Allia, right? For the management of the venue. That must obviously run for a certain period time?

I wonder when that is up for 'renewal'/expiry?

Sage COULD set up a competing company to bid for management of the stadium, once Allia's contract is up? Town of Vincent/State Govt. peruse the options etc... and a new rival like one backed by Glory/Force could well have a chance? Especially if Allia's record of management is considered sub-par?
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GloryPerth wrote:
BTW, as a talking point - Am I right to suggest Glory and even Western Australia, but just sticking with Perth Glory, don't always get a 'fair deal' - in relation to their Eastern Cousins? I mean in terms of recognition, coverage and even 'sometimes' in practical ways, with the FFA or what not? I know Glory has lacked the success or what, but the 'Sydney-Melbourne bias' over there in the coverage and what not, just dominates or pervades and I know that's 'a given' generally, but just some times, I'd like to see Glory talked about a little more, or recognised, or some input via a source who ISN'T based in only Sydney or Melbourne! This is in terms of the 'A-League coverage' from Foxsports, TWG and even, dare I say, FFT?!


We don't always get the coverage we want, but I think that given Glory over the past decade (and the people that have been involved with the club in that time) we get the coverage we deserve.


State game was good as a neutral, it was a much more competitive state team than prior years. Frustrating from a Glory fan's perspective as mentioned before was lack of killer instinct in midfield and up front (was Harold playing AMC in the first half? I don't think that's his best position somehow).

Nagai looked in good touch again though; I think we'll win a few penalties this year with fast wingers screaming into the channels. Just need someone to get on the end of crosses in the meantime, as I'm not convinced Maclaren is there just yet... needs more time with the team.
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As someone said somewhere, Glory now have the 23+3 squad.

As Dodd is a LTI I think Glory need a replacement and a key AM is needed.

Smetlz will come back and there's plenty of speed up front to cause other teams headaches.




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Was reading the "Glory confidential" email this morning...

Stated something along the lines of, "Both assistant coach Scott Miller and latest Glory signing Harry O'Brien will be returning to play their former team Cockburn".

Has the Harry O'Brien signing been finalised? Does that give us a full squad?
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He's one of the 'youth professional' spots in the squad.

From wiki, but it looks reasonable... That is apart from the (youth) items which I think a couple are wrong on... Maclaren wouldn't be youth, for instance.

No.      Position   Player
1   Australia   GK   Danny Vuković
2   Australia   DF   Jack Clisby
3   Australia   DF   Brandon O'Neill (Youth)
4   Australia   MF   Ryan Edwards (On loan from Reading)
5   Australia   MF   Steve Pantelidis
6   Australia   MF   Cameron Edwards
7   Australia   MF   Jacob Burns (Captain)
8   Japan    FW   Ryo Nagai (On loan from Cerezo Osaka)
9   New Zealand   FW   Shane Smeltz
10   Australia   FW   Jamie Maclaren (Youth)
11   Australia   MF   Adrian Zahra
12   Australia   DF   Ljubo Miličević
13   Australia   MF   Travis Dodd
14   Scotland   MF   Steven McGarry
15   Australia   MF   Isaka Cernak
16   Brazil   FW   Sidnei
17   Australia   FW   Chris Harold
18   Australia   MF   Daniel De Silva (Youth)
19   Australia   DF   Joshua Risdon
20   Australia   GK   Jack Duncan (Youth)
21   Australia   DF   Scott Jamieson
22   Australia   FW   Ndumba Makeche
23   Australia   DF   Michael Thwaite (Vice Captain)
--   Australia   MF   Matthew Davies
--   Australia   DF   Riley Woodcock
--   Australia   FW   Harry O'Brien (Youth)

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Still that injury replacement spot available for Dodd.
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hotrod wrote:
As someone said somewhere, Glory now have the 23+3 squad.

As Dodd is a LTI I think Glory need a replacement and a key AM is needed.

Smetlz will come back and there's plenty of speed up front to cause other teams headaches.

I don't think we will. Given that we have so many young wingers/attackers then Edwards is just going to rotate players through the right wing or #10 roles I think.

Could be a money thing as well for not using the LTIR.
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I think the 'Youth' label on wiki is because of the first team needing a minimum of 3 players u21 or something so it just highlights the players eligible for that, not those that are on Youth Pro contracts
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:
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As someone said somewhere, Glory now have the 23+3 squad.

As Dodd is a LTI I think Glory need a replacement and a key AM is needed.

Smetlz will come back and there's plenty of speed up front to cause other teams headaches.

I don't think we will. Given that we have so many young wingers/attackers then Edwards is just going to rotate players through the right wing or #10 roles I think.

Could be a money thing as well for not using the LTIR.


It's not, or it shouldn't be.

His wages should be covered by insurance, hence his wage is available to spend on a replacement.




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hotrod wrote:
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As someone said somewhere, Glory now have the 23+3 squad.

As Dodd is a LTI I think Glory need a replacement and a key AM is needed.

Smetlz will come back and there's plenty of speed up front to cause other teams headaches.

I don't think we will. Given that we have so many young wingers/attackers then Edwards is just going to rotate players through the right wing or #10 roles I think.

Could be a money thing as well for not using the LTIR.


It's not, or it shouldn't be.

His wages should be covered by insurance, hence his wage is available to spend on a replacement.


Where does this notion come from? There is not an insurance company in the world that would insure a football player against injury for 100% of his wage at anything close to an affordable rate.
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libertarian wrote:
hotrod wrote:
AndyToddsElbow wrote:
hotrod wrote:
As someone said somewhere, Glory now have the 23+3 squad.

As Dodd is a LTI I think Glory need a replacement and a key AM is needed.

Smetlz will come back and there's plenty of speed up front to cause other teams headaches.

I don't think we will. Given that we have so many young wingers/attackers then Edwards is just going to rotate players through the right wing or #10 roles I think.

Could be a money thing as well for not using the LTIR.


It's not, or it shouldn't be.

His wages should be covered by insurance, hence his wage is available to spend on a replacement.


Where does this notion come from? There is not an insurance company in the world that would insure a football player against injury for 100% of his wage at anything close to an affordable rate.


Pretty sure it's common practice in any professional sport?
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On O'Brien:

When I was coaching at Cockburn last year," explained Miller, "Harry came back to us from the Glory youth team and slotted straight in. This year, I think he's been top goalscorer for Cockburn and he's a defender's nightmare. He gets into fantastic goalscoring positions and for a little fella, he wins a lot of headers. He's just one of those guys who has the knack of scoring goals. I think just in behind the striker is his best position, although he can also play as a number seven out wide on the right."


So perhaps another young candidate for the role behind Maclaren, though obviously one for the future rather than an immediate starter you'd think.
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Yep. We have a lot of competition now for those 3 slots behind the striker.
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:
hotrod wrote:
As someone said somewhere, Glory now have the 23+3 squad.

As Dodd is a LTI I think Glory need a replacement and a key AM is needed.

Smetlz will come back and there's plenty of speed up front to cause other teams headaches.

I don't think we will. Given that we have so many young wingers/attackers then Edwards is just going to rotate players through the right wing or #10 roles I think.

Could be a money thing as well for not using the LTIR.


Indeed, we've discussed this before somewhere and there was an article on it recently, where Edwards was interviewed and he essentially said this.

There are MANY players capable of playing the role from within the squad already. That's also why we didn't need Garcia as much now as we might've a few months ago. While nobody has a definite hold on the possie, flipside, it can be a good thing as competition is high there, including promising young AM De Silva, who will be pushing through hard, especially circa that Mid-Late season period, when it's School Holidays and he's already been broken in via a number of impact sub stints. Edwards understandibly wants to manage De Silva's workload and also make him earn it. So the question is more - WHO will keep De Silva out (Of the #10 role)?

I think MacLaren could well be 'the go' - going by that article about it and the fact, as Edwards said, they need a goalscoring #10. MacLaren is a boy who sure can finish a chance and he will definitely find the back of the net with Glory this seaon - more than a few times I suspect (Especially with Smeltz out so long)!

Sidney slotting in for Smeltz upfront - Which was touted in that article and seems quite likely, would also change up the line up a bit as a Harold, Zahra or the like would be utilised on the wing. But once Smeltz returns it may be interesting. I've already said this, but Sidnei and Nagai on opposing flanks will be killer!
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:
Yep. We have a lot of competition now for those 3 slots behind the striker.


True - but quality/experience is a lot less predictable...
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f1dave wrote:
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Yep. We have a lot of competition now for those 3 slots behind the striker.


True - but quality/experience is a lot less predictable...


That's the issue.

A quality player will always have that quality.




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Sidnei/Smeltz and Zahra/Harold also McGarry. It's not like we're completely devoid of experience in attack.

With the youngness of the squad I think having plenty of options in all positions is a good thing. Even if the first half of the season Glory will probably lack cohesiveness.
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Glory won 7-0 against Cockburn today.

Ljubo Milicevic, Ryo Nagai (2), Sidnei (2), Harry O'Brien (2)

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f1dave wrote:
Glory won 7-0 against Cockburn today.

Ljubo Milicevic, Ryo Nagai (2), Sidnei (2), Harry O'Brien (2)


Good to see those names on the score sheet.

Brief match report?




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AndyToddsElbow wrote:
Sidnei/Smeltz and Zahra/Harold also McGarry. It's not like we're completely devoid of experience in attack.

With the youngness of the squad I think having plenty of options in all positions is a good thing. Even if the first half of the season Glory will probably lack cohesiveness.


Indeed. Even if somebody fails to perform, young OR old, one can easily come in. The depth and squad balance in this year's squad is amongst the best ever now. So hopefully that equates to no mid or late-season 'squad crisis' with injuries and suspensions cutting some positions (Like CB last time) down to bare bones.

ST is perhaps a lingering concern, but as you guys discuss, the dynamism of the side and tactical shape, should make it less reliant on the one source for goals? PERHAPS the goals/goal spread in pre-season help reflect this (hopefully)?


ANYWAY, another related point - Look at West Sydney Wanderers, they built from the back basically. Keep the goals out and pop the odd one in. They became more effective offensively as the season progressed and team gelled/got used to Poppa's tactical demands. Even if Glory aren't scoring every game, then if they're 'keeping them out' (ESPECIALLY in Away games), then that's all they need!

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hotrod wrote:
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Glory won 7-0 against Cockburn today.

Ljubo Milicevic, Ryo Nagai (2), Sidnei (2), Harry O'Brien (2)


Good to see those names on the score sheet.

Brief match report?



Wasn't there, unfortunately. Just saw the scorers on twitter... From what I have heard, the Brazilian played well though.

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hotrod wrote:
f1dave wrote:
Glory won 7-0 against Cockburn today.

Ljubo Milicevic, Ryo Nagai (2), Sidnei (2), Harry O'Brien (2)


Good to see those names on the score sheet.

Brief match report?


I was at the game, but didn't get to focus on the match too much.

Few observations;

Sidnei is FAST.

Either Sidnei or Ndumba (didn't catch who it was) made a run forward with the ball but was outmuscled surprisingly easily by the Cockburn defender.

Rio looked good and comfortable on the ball.


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Either Sidnei or Ndumba (didn't catch who it was) made a run forward with the ball but was outmuscled surprisingly easily by the Cockburn defender.

Wasn't at the game, but I'd suspect it was Sidnei as Makeche is very good at holding his ground for a young kid. Doesn't mean he can't get caught uncharacteristically off balance though.
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http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/perthglory/news-display/OBRIEN-ENJOYS-RETURN-TO-REMEMBER/73512

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New signing Harry O'Brien bagged two goals against his former club as Perth Glory secured a resounding 7-0 victory over Cockburn City on Sunday afternoon.

The 19-year-old only completed his permanent move to Glory from the Cockerels on Thursday and played the first-half for the State Premier League side.

But he donned his new colours in the second-half and found the net twice in the space of nine minutes as the A-League outfit turned on the style.

Fellow-new recruit Sidnei also bagged a brace of goals, as did Ryo Nagai, while Ljubo Milicevic got the ball rolling by heading home the opener with only a minute on the clock.

Sidnei and Nagai also featured prominently in the assists column, but Head Coach Alistair Edwards felt that the scoreline was a little harsh on a valiant Cockburn side.

"7-0 didn’t really reflect the game," he said, "because Cockburn did really well, played some good football and then put a few youngsters in to get some experience at the end.
"But they caught us on a pretty good day to be fair.
"We're getting to the stage now where we are starting to fine-tune things and the boys played some really good football."

Edwards was delighted to see O'Brien given such a fine reception from a crowd of close to 2000 at Dalmatinac Park and was also pleased with the performances of several of his other key men.

"Harry received a standing ovation from the Cockburn faithful," he said.
"It was his first game since he signed for the club so it was good to see him being appreciated in that way and great for him to mark the occasion by scoring two goals.
"Sidnei came on and scored with almost his first touch and played very, very well, while Steve Pantelidis got a full game under his belt for the first time since his operation and Jack Duncan also got the full 90 minutes in goal.
"For the last half hour or so, we had an incredibly young side out there with Jack Duncan, Josh Risdon, Jack Clisby, Cameron Edwards, Danny De Silva, Brandon O'Neill, Ryan Edwards and Harry O'Brien all aged 21 or under.
"It was a great to see those lads getting some really important game time, we also had Jacob Burns and Ljubo Milicevic playing 45 minutes and it was nice to have Michael Thwaite back with us after his exertions with the Socceroos."

The Cockburn visit proved every bit as popular as the games hosted earlier in pre-season by Kwinana and Gosnells and Edwards received plenty of positive feedback following the final whistle.

"The young Glory guys were there behind the goal with their drums," he said, "and they made it a really good atmosphere.
"The locals really appreciated Glory coming down to Cockburn to play and speaking to people after the game, they really enjoyed the quality of the game.
"So it was a really pleasing day in more ways than one."

Glory will tackle State League opposition again early next month when they visit Macedonia Park to face Stirling on Wednesday 4th September.

Perth Glory Line-Up: Jack Duncan (GK), Josh Risdon, Steve Pantelidis, Ljubo Milicevic (Michael Thwaite 46'), Scott Jamieson (Jack Clisby 70'), Cameron Edwards, Jacob Burns (Brandon O'Neill 46'), Ryan Edwards (Adrian Zahra 77'), Chris Harold (Sidnei 27'), Ndumba Makeche (Harry O'Brien 55'), Ryo Nagai

Scorers: Milicevic 1', Nagai 20', 47' , Sidnei 29', 59' , O'Brien 68', 79'

With thanks to Ante Kovacevic

Gareth Morgan



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http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/a-league/news/1165151/Talented-trio-in-the-hunt-for-Glory

A good read, from the looks of things De Silva, Maclaren and R. Edwards will be battling it out for the attacking mid position behind the striker. I can imagine it will be Maclaren as the #10 with Sidnei starting up front whilst Smeltz is absent

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Young guns Danny De Silva, Jamie Maclaren and Ryan Edwards are vying for the key playmaking role at Perth Glory vacated by the departure of Liam Miller.

And, at the other end of the age scale, 32-year-old former Socceroos defender Ljubo Milicevic will be expected to play a important mentoring role off the field with the Glory's stack of promising youngsters, as well as a critical playing role on it.

Glory coach Alistair Edwards is in the midst of his first opportunity to properly prepare the Glory for a season after taking over from the sacked Ian Ferguson in the second half of last season and getting the team to the finals.

Edwards told TWG everything was going to plan following a recent trip to South Africa and Malaysia that included four games and another home trial against the WA State team on Thursday. The Glory conceded an early goal in that most recent match, but went on to win 3-1.

De Silva, the schoolboy sensation who made his A-league debut for the Glory as a 15-year-old late last season, scored a screaming goal from 25 metres against WA.

De Silva, now 16, the coach's son Edwards, 19, and Maclaren, 20, were all members of the Australian squad that competed in the U-20 World Cup in Turkey midway through this year.

Coach Edwards said the pre-season preparation was based on a plan to blend the club's new mix of hard-core experience and outstanding young players so that they are all on the same page when the new season begins.

"We spent 12 days in South Africa, where we played three games, and four days in Malaysia for the one game," he said.

"It was a tremendous experience, a great opportunity. We're back in full swing here now and the whole squad has played equal game-time in the trials to this point.

"We've got a lot of experienced players, but also a lot of young players who need to gain first-team experience."

Silva is still at school, although he does it via a special program in which he attends school part-time and the rest of his study is fitted in around his footballing commitments.

He didn't go on the overseas trip, instead staying at home to concentrate on his schooling.

"He's a had a bit of a whirlwind year," Edwards said.

"Making his A-League debut, playing in the World Youth Cup, and all on top of school. He needed a rest, to be honest, and some time to concentrate on his homework.

"There are days Danny has to go to school, usually on a Thursday, and also do some other things connected to his schooling. They look after him and we look after him.

“He has to make sure he finishes all of his tasks. He does a lot of his homework on the plane, to and from games."

Miller left the club at the end of last season and has since signed with Brisbane Roar.

Asked if the plan was for De Silva to become a regular starter this season, and perhaps even in Miller's old role, Edwards replied: "Liam's a good player and we offered him the same terms and conditions he was already on, for another year. I think that point needs to be made. But we couldn't agree on terms.

"We needed to get a goalscoring number 10, and if Liam had stayed at the club we would have played him more as a number eight, in a midfield role.

"We went into the market for a number 10, and because of the development of Danny De Silva and the addition of Jamie Maclaren and Ryan Edwards we have got a number of players who can play the number 10 role.

"We see it as an opportunity to develop players. If you go through the whole squad, I don't think anyone's a guaranteed starter, apart from a couple of players, and they all know that.

"Danny's got a long way to go in his development and he knows that, and we've also got Maclaren and Edwards, who were both at the World Youth Cup with Danny and who can also play that (number 10) role.

"We've got several guys who can share that role and develop during the year. Do we know who's going to be starting there in the first game? No. And because it's highly competitive everyone knows they are going to get opportunities, and they've all done very well so far.

"The way it will work out, they can all be sure they will get plenty of football."

Central defender Milicevic, 32, is a controversial type with a reputation for being outspoken off the field. But Edwards says that isn't an issue.

He says he has no doubt Milicevic will be the sort of player who helps make the younger players better.

"We have to make sure the guys who are trying to get first-team experience at the start of the A-League season are not just thrown in there and told 'good luck'," Edwards said.

"All of these young players will have had six or seven games as first-team players in the trials by then. It's different in the A-League with all the pressures that come with that, but we're giving them the best possible preparation.

"We've got a good group of very experienced players and now we've got a number of 16, 18, 19 and 20-year-olds who are at a different stage of their development and their lives, and the pleasing thing is that the dynamics within the entire group is the best I've ever worked with.

"The older guys have really taken on the leadership role and the younger guys are really benefitting from that. We've signed a lot of top-quality young players, and WA players, and they are working closely with the experienced players already at the club - people like Shane Smeltz, Jacob Burns, Steve McGarry, Steve Pantelidis, Jacob Burns, Danny Vukovic and now Ljubo. So we're getting the balance right.

"I played with Ljubo. He came into our group at the Glory when he was 18 or 19 years old. I've had many conversations with him over the last 10 days. Basically, we've got a culture, a way of doing things at the club, and we want him to remember when he was 18 and 19 years old because he benefitted from the experience of having older players around him then.

"They helped him immensely and he really appreciated that, and he understands that, and he knows that he's got not only a playing role on the park for us but he has got to make sure he looks back and remembers the culture we had before and how much it helped him.

"He'll be in a mentoring role like all of the older boys, and so far he's been fantastic."

Edwards said striker Smeltz would miss at least the first month of the A-League, returning "at the earliest" some time in November, after off-season hip surgery.

Another new signing, Brazilian Sidnei Sciola, will be among the players looking to fill that spot while Smeltz is out

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Except De Silva will not be starting.

He's too young and will be used as a late game impact player.




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Didn't you post a thread about that article?
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