And I went a little 'yay' inside! Forces decisions! Or, does it... :/

This squad is overdue revamping, good and proper. Needs a decent coach, good and proper. Some of these mid-season recruits need serious review.

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/174324803882/Post-match-Kenny-Lowe

"Their more experienced players are better than our young, inexperienced players"

Wrong! You compared Broich with Marinkovic/McGarry, McKay/Miller with McGarry/Burns, you compare Berisha with Smeltz, you compared Smith with Gallas, Vukovic with Theo...

And you telling me those boys are a bunch of 'young, inexperienced, players'?! Woodcock, O'Neill, De Silva and Harold and not those of chief responsibility here or not even the majority of the line up, these days!

You are kidding no-one - our own veteran, experience is sub-par compared to the league's best - that's been apparent for a very, very long time! THAT'S the difference here - as too perhaps his tactical approach/lack of quality!

It's not uploaded yet, but am looking forward to seeing Smeltz's - (In regards to Smith's stray ball gifting him the goal) "That was the best pass I received all game" slip!

That was a BURN from Smeltzy! :twisted: Or should we say... it Booo-URNS!

Crappy midfield, wide isolated and clueless - BOMBs away - Cue Shanagar!

Edited by GloryPerth: 1/3/2014 12:31:49 AM

Not really sure if that's going to fix much.

Similar thoughts to Bovs - we actually did well the first half to contain them and try to score on the counter. The second half Brisbane found the next gear, like we all figured they would, and the rest is history.

65%-35% Possession
572-261 Passes
222-101 Passes in attacking half
10-2 Corners
20-8 Shots
~30%-5% of the Game spent in opposition half

That's not terrible? :shock:

Yeah, you really need a Social Media policy Dave. First the dogs attack, then the rhinos. :lol:

Who here attended the Fan Forum?

I got the e-mail about it - how did things go during the evening?



Yeah, but, that's the thing - that's the difference. It just don't cut it anymore - these are the margins of success and they become more glaring. Glory are sub-par tactically - they may or may not have 'the cattle' as Lowe says, but their tactical approach reflects it all and we are all suspecting that is more and more Lowe's doing than Sidnei, Harold, Woodcock, McGarry and co?!

As Foster and Zelic said, post-game analysis, Glory, within their role/approach to this game/challenge - it required them to utilise the ball 'efficiently' and with quick transition in the limited opportunities that presented, to create 'effective counter attacks' to threaten Roar more effectively/be more competitive. But instead, quality was lacking in that key aspect and turn overs or long balls that resulted in possession turned over, often resulted.

So yeah, it's that DM/MC/AM area again. It's like the Socceroos etc... It's same old! Burns, McGarry and perhaps now, sadly, Marinkovic/Sernas and co are not cutting it! Griffiths needs more time, perhaps the imports, or not - but so far, the quality we so sorely need, is still, ever more, lacking!

It's not just Roar, it's any team. Just Roar look soo much better, expose us well, once they click into gear. Last game against them, at home, we were just damn lucky they were down to 10 men and yet THEY still couldn't finish their numerous chances against our 11 men! We've had generous/lucky results and that 0-0 was one of them!

Last week, losing at home to Wanderers and this game - expose home truths! More misery, more chaos - more revealed, the greater the broom, the greater scope for the new coaching regime!

Edited by GloryPerth: 1/3/2014 12:29:55 AM

Woh, that Tweet from Vuka. Getting sick of this bullsht. The lack of professionalism seeping through at soo many levels - THAT'S the poison! The more this morass drags on, the more morale lower, disquiet rises, doubts and uncertainty surrounding the future.

The coaching appointment needs to be sorted a little sooner, but the pressure is on the club to reflect due process and scope in the appointment and not built up our expectations to not then just announced 'Lowe' come June 1! That'd be a quasi-disgrace! Talk about 'inefficiencies' and 'waste (Budget wise)' - look no further than this process with third party consultants culminating in the club just selecting who they want anyway?!

ANYWAY - Need a fresh, professional, experienced, respectable figure, to run the serious rule over this bunch and enact the changes overdue to take this club into the 2014/15 season and beyond. Not more cliques! No more btching! No more backstabbing and in-fighting! No more resting on past 'glories, no more falling back on reputation! No more egos to be massaged! No more Jacob Burns FC!

What would Guus do? Heck, what would ANGE DO?! No more, No!

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No wonder Ali Edwards was soo firm and blunt, so no nonsense - perhaps he HAD to be?! The conditions demanded/warranted it?! But the challenge his own club were not up to, didn't back him - their own coach carrying out their own, 'so-called', 'philosophy' over some clique of 'peaked players' fearful over their last paychecks - the club backing the latter!

Edited by GloryPerth: 1/3/2014 12:42:46 AM

Who here attended the Fan Forum?

I got the e-mail about it - how did things go during the evening?

Biscuitman went

Hahahahaha Danny. Calling Dave a little bitch, hahahahahah.

:lol:

Just gets worse and worse. Hilarious. So much rot.

wooo

hooooo





my in depth analysis is as follows:

EVERYTHING IS SH!T.

that is all.

Damn, no way? Is this because of the trouble last game/s and the difficulty between GFU and The Shed - From what I heard anyway - and The Shed were weirdly quiet last home game! :o

There is such great potential that end and already has shown so much. Just need to work on their organisation a little more, with a couple more chants or what not. Not a great big improvement needed, IMHO. It's a nice sized end and the old school Shed End from way back to early days. Plenty room for growth, but also well filled with active support as is. If more of that centre stand was filled with GFU with the actively inclined folk in The Shed co-ordinating, then it could really be great!

I don't know too much about it, culturally, so I can't think of any examples - is this done elsewhere in the league, where there are multiple active support groups? Or do they tend to be grouped the same side/stand too?

Certainly doesn't sound the best idea - though I suppose the 'novelty' of having active support behind both goals may appeal to the club, but it doesn't sound too great in wider terms! ALSO The 'Away Bay' - which is usually/naturally sparsely filled or relatively less active compared to matches over East (Though the dozen or so Wanderers travellers put up a fair show!) - That might still cause 'new challenges' having the boisterous young GFU blokes right next door? :s

Also, some of us like having that side to ourselves (Like the 'Glory 500' members, what of them?). :/

Edited by GloryPerth: 1/3/2014 07:00:39 AM

central coast and brissie and keep turning over players and continue to be successful. we bring in high level players and they still fail. to me that says something about the culture and the running behind the scenes.

Oh dear just had a thought about the FOTS moving South-side.

What if they start 'We Hate SFC" right in front of the Family Stand? :shock:

Yep. Listened to the Glory Guerilla's podcast about the fans forum. They said a lot of people were asking about what Lowe's game plan was and the answer was pretty much to win and to recruit the best available mid twenties australian players, best young players, keep WA young players and add a few good imports. THAT is NOT a f***ing game plan, that's just what everyone is trying to do. With us in crisis and little game plan, we become the bottom feeders and last in line to recruit 'good players' , esp if part of the criteria for the new coach is to cut costs.

Also interested to hear about the excuses. Seems like Kenny was put in to scrap for points this season, but at the same time has turned over part of the squad and so now they are not fit and basically in a pre-season. If its a pre-season, then why aren't we treating it like one and limiting the playing time of players who are unlikely to be here next season? Oh, that's right burns and mcgarry are amongst the best trainers at the club.

And the talk about soft tissue injuries smells like BS. Jamo and Risdon went down with tendon injuries, not soft tissue ones. Maclaren missed a few weeks with a strain and then the rest of them have been fine, (De Silva had an ankle problem which flared into other things, but he missed most of pre-season, as did players like Smeltz and Gallas.

@ bovs. Yep, we did transition the ball at times through the our defensive third and middle third a lot better on the break at times last night. Some of our best ball movement through there since Lowe took over. At one point it was great coming down the left, til the ball went to Grifiths and he bottled it and passed back. However, movement into the final third was still mostly poor. And once we went from our counter attacking shape to a higher press it was players mostly playing one out again.

Sernas and McGarry did SFA, apart from missing a sitter in the six yard box (was it Sernas or McGarry, couldn't tell). Really time for McGarry to be benched and retire and I think that Sernas' loan will end come season end. Better to get Zahra or Maclaren on for him.

Sidnei was great and credit to Lowe for getting him to come back a bit more. Nebo faded in and out of the game, but when he was he put in some nice touches - he will be good. Smeltz tried to come back a bit more and get involved. Harold was terrible, just seemed to want to do his own thing and that was not what the team needed. Griffiths did some good things, but is still a bit lost/unfit. Burns did his thing and tried to get involved more, not always to great effect, but you can see he has been rattled by all the abuse and is trying hard.

Clisby looks solid defending things a cb defends, but gets skinned out wide too often and has the ocassional brain fade. Clisby was unlucky for the first goal - left with a 2 on 1 and with Berisha all over him taking him out. However, its Woodcock for me at LB. Woodcock also makes errors but has the pace and movement to get back to cover. Risdon looked f***ed after the first half and had another pretty bad game, though he gets isolated a fair bit.

O'Neil did pretty well but wasn't tested all that much, til his error. But it's his first full game and I recall Giffiths putting his foot on the ball and falling over in his first game when not fully fit - its just that O'Neill's error was more costly. Gallas was reportedly sore midweek and it showed. Mostly VERY immobile. When O'Neill went down and lost the ball, O'Neill was the first back, even though he was lying on the ground when he lost it! The other defenders just jogged back, Gallas with his hand in the air claiming offside (it wasn't). Gallas has experience etc.., but his body isn't carrying him. Inexperience in defence was an issue (plus playing an inexperienced Clisby at LB) instead of CB, but it was much more of an issue with Gallas hardly moving. He is leading the defensive line, and if he's cutting corners cos he's sore/knackered, then that f***s up the rest of the line.

Oh, and De Silva hidden out on the right again. What a waste.

As I thought, with the new players in and given time to settle, they have to improve. But still that improvement was pretty minimal. You can tell that some work is going into team cohesion, but its pretty early days. Given that in all likelihood we'll have Lowe coaching next season with Burns as ass man or still playing on, I hope that Lowe can start to instill some structure in there and all his public talk is just waffle to deflect criticism and try to stay positive. But I have my doubts.

I remember Miller getting played out wide too.

What a fucking waste.

Hes a central midfielder not a wide player.

Lowe has lost my respect.

What a disastrous season.
Oh, but we're honest.
Whoopee doo - we're hopelessly outclassed to.
Am so friggin' annoyed with all this crap.
8 shots at goal for the match, and precious few in the second half.
Gallas' one over the crossbar by 1/2 a kilometre, then they felt sorry for us and passed the ball to Smeltz.

And must mention the goal of Broich.
TIME, SPACE, PICK YOUR SPOT, JESUS BLOODY CHRIST.
Has anyone ever seen a team of defenders who back track and stand off attackers so much?
I really think we should just pop down to grasshopper soccer for a few minutes and grab a few pointers.

But points still to play for.
Only 6 off 6th, but that was last night.
Luckily for us, it's only 7 now.
So we should be a monty to pick that up in the remaining games.

Nope, still not happy with this rabble.

... and maybe a bit behind 9th spot if this keeps up ... Heart 2 - Nil up after 15 minutes ...

... but our boys are honest.

Can't believe the gulf between Glory and Heart.

Heart playing like winners and beating all before them, compared to Glory going backwards faster than Emmet Brown in his DeLorean time machine.

It's embarrassing. :oops:

If the Glory did go backwards in time, it would mean they would be winning... :^o

Player contracts:

Main Squad (23)
Gallas - 13/14
Burns - 13/14
McGarry - 13/14
Zahra - 13/14
Cernak - 13/14
Makeche - 13/14
Smeltz - 13/14
R.Edwards - loan - 13/14
Dodd (Sernas*) - 13/14

Duncan - 14/15
Jamieson - 14/15
O'Neill 14/15
Griffiths - 14/15
C.Edwards - 14/15
Sidnei - 14/15
Marinkovic - 14/15
Maclaren - 14/15

Vukovic - 15/16
Thwaite - 15/16
Clisby - 15/16
De Silva - 15/16
Risdon - 15/16
Harold - 15/16

NYL Pros (+3)
Davies - 14/15
Woodcock - 14/15
O'Brien - 14/15

14/23 players signed for next season, since the other 3 will still be on NYL contract. Sernas potentially if there's one of those clauses in his contract.

2 gone already, Ryan out the door basically, can't see Gallas still here and Zahra bad mouthed Kenny too so can't see him staying around.

That leaves 9 spots for next season (which is a lot) and just Burns, McGarry and Smeltz to be re-signed.


Which means:
a) next season no matter who coaches will be another season of "upheavel" and "gelling".
b) some of the oldies will have to be re-signed because there's no way GLory are going to find 9 people to join.
c) Burns could still be here. :(

Thanks for that. Makes things pretty clear.
Consistent with what is in the coach job description they might go for a slightly smaller squad. Got the impression at the fan forum that Lowe didn't think the older players were good enough going forward but then again, he probably won't be here next season either.

I hope we make a serious play for Finkler if Victory keep stuffing him around but I think we would have to offer him a lot to come to this club at the moment.

Finkler would be good but we have Marinkovic and even if Lowe isn't here (not getting optimistic on that one) would the club really go out and get another #10?

Don't know what's happening with Madaschi, perhaps he's waiting in the wings and will sign pre-season. That's Gallas "replaced"

Jets to beat Wanderers, looks highly likely we're gonna finish last.

Edited by iridium1010: 2/3/2014 06:38:21 PM

Late season revival

Gatecrash the top 6!

We were a better team when we were playing a CB as a striker.

If Lowe, Burns or McGarry are resigned in any capacity I don't think I'll be renewing my membership next year.

Teams above Glory keep on winning and Glory just keep on losing.

Yup, that's a recipe to make the finals.

Now 7 points and 5 goals off 6th place, 3 points off 9th, youth leaving the club, infighting amoungst players, old hacks running the team, coach being out coached and CEO/Owner saying all is OK as the coach is doing the right things at training.

Agree that your fears are well founded given our current owners/coaches. BUT -

The biggest priority for next season is a class central midfielder to link up with Nebo and Griffiths. Get that right, and get a coach with a game plan/structure that doesn't involve by-passing midfield and we'll have a chance.

If Smeltz goes and Sernas is no good, then the next priority with be a striker.

After that, recruitment is important but we are less exposed. Probably need a CB kind of like a Madaschi, with Clisby and O'Neill as back up.

I'd also look around for another decent wide player, but not one who is just an all out flyer. Rather, a wide player who could play more central if required, and use Harold as a more direct wing option as well as back up striker.

So - 4 new players:
1. Central mid.
2. Striker.
3. Right midfielder, who could also play central.
4. Centre back.

We'd have 2 marquee spots and 3 import spots to get those players.

With the current kids, that would make 21 players, and we could grab a couple more up and comers, say another young wide player and a central mid.

#9 - [New Striker], Maclaren
LW - Sidnei*
#10 - Marinkovic*, De Silva, O'Brien
RW - [Right Wing], Harold
CM - [Centre Mid], C Edwards
DM - Griffiths, O'Neill
LB - Jamo, Woodcock
RB - Risdon, Davies
CB Thwaite, [Centre Back], Clisby
GK - Vuka, Duncan

EDIT : Oh, of course, the above ALSO requires a competent coach with an ability to instil a positive structure. Without that, more of the same to ensue....

Edited by GloryB: 2/3/2014 07:41:16 PM

That is such a well thought out and logical assessment of the squad and its needs that it is the least possible outcome.

I expect much of the same next season.

Sage will go into end of season hibernation mode with player to be resigned on lower wages which will cause them to leave (OK for old hacks, not for younger player Glory should keep). Lowe to be retained as he will bleat about not his squad, not enough time to gel blah, blah, blah and Sage will take it hook line and sinker.

If Lowe or Burns are still around next season I think I'll just sink all my sports interest into NHL and just follow the A-League as a neutral.

I still can't believe you guys let Makeche go.