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AndyToddsElbow wrote:Benjo wrote:TBF to Duncan with the goal, he shouldn't have come for it, but Clisby didn't do a good enough job marking Cunningham. He had an un-opposed run at it, Clisby didn't come close to him until it was too late. Even if Duncan had stayed in goal, not sure if he would've saved it. Interesting. :-k Kenny said the exact same thing in his press conference when having another go at the youngsters. Gees, so sick of this crap week after week from this coach. Get off this rubbish about the youngsters costing us goals. If inexperience in defence is costing you goals, well the upside is that the rest of your experience should be scoring goals, and it aint. It was 11 v 11 when I last watched, and our 'inexperience' had even less experience in the first 10 games when it weren't an issue.
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Shanagar
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Kenny says "7 players under 21".
Here's my stats for you:
Av age starting 11 - Glory 26.7 v NZ 27.4
Av age of 14 used today - Exactly identical.
Av age with 3 subs on - Glory 25.4 v NZ 26.3.
Davies and O'Neill at 19, Duncan and Maclaren at 20, then Harold 21.
Clisby next oldest I think at 22.
NZ still had their 17 year old play the whole match, which is more than we did with ours.
I really don't think having a few youngsters is the issue Kenny, and keep having a go at them and there will be a lot less about in the future.
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Tony Sage's facts! is rubbing off on him.
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Shanagar
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Maybe I'm just being too harsh on this team.
After all, we did get 1 point on the weekend.
That's more than we got for the whole month of February, and we've still lots of March to go.
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:Actually a rather short article considering it's over two pages. One one side there's a Smeltz column with a line-up graphic made by a 2 year old. Then there's a pic of Sage + Gallas plus a picture montage on the other page, followed by some tables. Tables are: Average crowd figures each season compared to A-League average; Coaches; No. of Coaches at each Inaugural club (Glory top list with Sydney at 7); Chief Executives; Team Salaries (Glory 2nd at $4mill!). IntroOnce a great club yada yada, spending $4mill for the wooden spoon. Unhealthy on the field, worse off it. Talks up Kenny as ideal AE replacement but 5-month contract is bad. Despite Glory's metrics are good compared to other seasons, crowds still dropping compared to rest of league. A-League Problem ChildTalks about Sage entering in and owning the club with Spence of McKeown, then they left in '09. Gooch only one who went through a formal interview process. Sage denies this "We ran a formal process, two of them came through headhunters" (  ) Brewer is a mining associate of Sage, same pattern as others. All the board are Sage associates as well. Well-credentialed insiders (aka anyone with a brain) say this has resulted in a lack of accountability Hollywood FCSage is famous for getting starry-eyed and player agents take advantage of this. He signed Fowler himself, apparently against Mitchell's and Fergie's wishes (denies it) Fowler was included in Sage's Poker Nights. His close relationship with players has raised eyebrows. Comical pursuit of Kewell, the pair only had a photo taken. Next day Kewell was swamped at Perth Airport. "I'm only here to play a golf tournie" Sage put himself at the front of 10/11 marketing campaign alongside Fowler. Coaches Doomed[I'm not entirely sure what the intended message of this part was. It reads a bit sarcastic but doesn't really come off] Lowe has been offered Ass Coach roles at Heart and Roar (doesn't say when) Handed a 5-month contract to prove himself whilst on a shoestring budget This perhaps explains the $300k spent on Jan signings Sernas, Mrrinkovic, Griffiths. Um no it doesn't? :? Rostyn is the cheapest of the bunch (so wrong) Sernas/Marinkovic were always going to take time to settle. After all would the Glory public rather watch them or the ridiculously talent De Silva and locals REdwards, Davies, Woodcock?A-League & WA Sport Flying, Glory NotWildcats are doing awesome, Glory not. With FTA coverage, A-League market has never been better. 5500 members is second lowest behind Wellington. (average 13k) A-League insider says Perth is a big sporting city and should be a huge market. Should be tapping into the Asian/Jakarta region Sage now comments with his usual FFA hate us stuff. "We've got our highest membership, crowds, corporate and sponsorship. Gallop has never come to a Glory game. We're just a backwater to them. It's bullshit. We're in a shambolic state and down $900k before a ball is kicked." (most is truncated, bolded is not) TST reveals most of this as incorrect. FFS pays for all away game flights so Glory only pay, hotels, meals and any additional personnel, actual figure closer to $150k. Talks about Buswells comments earlier in season about Glory being terrible to deal with. Running the club on an oily rag means high turn over of staff and interns thrown into senior roles. Membership campaign has failed for several years (Glory at one time coldn't even breakdown their memebership base) General Manager Anthony Radonich latest to resign. Media Department now headed by former keeper Andy Petterson who has no experience but is an associate of Brewer. End with comment about how WA player's have never been better (Sainsbury, Herd, Williams all close to 'Roos) Glory's problems are affecting grassroots. Also the Glory's problems are a "reason" the state government has put the 'Home of Football' project on the backburner. Higher Intervention may be only tonic for the club. Now I've written all this out it's all going to be put up online isn't it? :lol: I imagine its the same deal with glory travelling as the visiting teams here but FFA pay for hotels + meals for the senior teams except Phoenix. Wether the FFA then bill the Glory who knows...
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I think the team will continue to get better through to the end of the season. Whilst I don't think Kenny is the answer, you can't say he doesn't know anything about coaching a football team. The rate of improvement is very slow at the moment, but it is evident, even allowing for the fact that I don't think the Nix played that great a game. Nebo is getting fitter, Burns has had a rocket put under him and is actually trying to get around the park (sometimes to good effect) and there is greater emphasis on passing it on the deck (although we still play a fair bit of hail mary long ball as well).
Add to that, Griffiths still looks out of sorts and had a pretty poor game - you'd hope he has some improvement in him. Kenny probably shouldn't have played Smeltz if he was carrying an injury - Maclaren showed more zip than him when he was out there. Clisby is also more suspect at LB than at CB (which is fair enough). I think Kenny wants him there to compensate for Sidnei's failings defensively, but Clisby looks all at sea when the player is coming at him out wide - Woodcock is quicker on his feet in those situations - even though he himself ain't no defensive rock.
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Thats the thing about Perth and their time zone, it is friendly for the Chinese and Indonesian tv audience
However there is too much hubris from Perth to associate with South East Asia from the city of Perth itself because of the preference to the Eurocentric ideals fostered by the Eastern Seaboard
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Interesting discussion guys and thanks for posting those figures ATE - One thing to note, minus Gallas and Smeltz, aka the 2 marquees (as has been hotly speculated to happen come end of this season) and suddenly that wage budget reduces a fair bit? AND IF they DO depart, then I suppose Sage is kind of 'true to his word' continuing his 'cost-cutting exercise' despite the brief excursion away for the 'exceptional' Gallas? Again, hopefully, whoever it is (Lowe or whoever), they will carry out the rejuvenation necessary and that necessary rejuvenation obviously includes MOST of those above-average wage senior players - lead by Burns, McGarry, Dodd and again, probably Gallas and what not?
Mind you, that passage of play with Gallas overlapping to score the neat finish against Phoenix was a brief bit of pleasure in what has been a dire half of the season, to say the least. ATLAST - some marquee quality and he delivered in what was the end a goal towards a drawn result. Not what you'd expect even from a Marquee defender, but nice technique none the same and inkles in me further the idea of what he could contribute at DM rather than CB, perhaps. We see how the quality of Dwight Yorke, Robbie Fowler and even ADP were or have 'naturally' dropped into the centre of the park to help marshall and even dictate their side's style of play and while Gallas isn't an attacking ilk player, his know-how, nous and general quality should be and I believe can be utilised better...
Plus he's less vulnerable to the greater punishment/embarrassment of the kind of 'last line of defence' gaffes or lapses - albeit that's unfair as he's been generally good/solid at the back thus far, but having him further up kills 2 birds with the 1 stone - provides much needed quality at DM as too additional defensive screening to a would be CB pairing of Thwaite+ Clisby/O'Neill. With our on-going issues at DM, I would atleast like to see us/Lowe try Gallas in DM before the season is out!
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Please don't entertain the thought that Gallas will stay beyond the year.
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There's a new App out this week Called "That's It" with a Perth Glory Section, try it out for a bit of fun and test your Glory knowledge. Link to Web site for download :- http://www.thatsitgame.com/
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Thing is, however good and classy that bit of interplay and goal was, or how it earned Glory a point....that's still $700k for one goal, one point.
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:Thing is, however good and classy that bit of interplay and goal was, or how it earned Glory a point....that's still $700k for one goal, one point. Plus I got a selfie with him when he was in Sydney. Stop being so negative about all this... It's Sage's money anyway :lol:
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If History has shown us anything, if a club decides to buy a Marquee they need to be a midfielder.
Defender : IMO the worse kind, does not really put bums on seats and really for this league, there our plenty of strong CD foreign and Aussie that don't demand a high wage.
Striker: Yes a big name will put bum's on seats how ever as we have seen in the past. Without the service he is just another striker trying to score goals.
Midfielder: A big name will put bums on seats, a creative skill full one will also put bums on seats. How ever the biggest advantage is not only should he score goals but he has the ability to put that killer though ball that most Strikers love to put away.
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Eastern Glory wrote:AndyToddsElbow wrote:Thing is, however good and classy that bit of interplay and goal was, or how it earned Glory a point....that's still $700k for one goal, one point. Plus I got a selfie with him when he was in Sydney. Stop being so negative about all this... It's Sage's money anyway :lol: Which he then uses as a device to then complain about losing all that money and then sees it as a platform to run the backroom and admin staff on a shoestring, meaning the only people who will work for Glory are those that are either incompetent, connections, or interns which leads to years of the same problems that Glory have had since he took over. Gives him more "reason" to go on player budget cuts, which means on the field we're still a shamble because of the divide between the haves and have nots and we lose players like Miller and Cordoba whilst leaving McGarry in a tight corner to accept because he wants to keep his family in Perth. The money he's used to buy Burns, Dodd, Smeltz, Fowler, Stej, Gallas...all of that could have been put to more positive and productive use if he really cared for the club to be run more professionally and effeicently. But yes, you're right. It's his money, just like Perth Glory is "his" club. But personally, I'm not interested in following Tony Sage FC.
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Rockypigs wrote:
If History has shown us anything, if a club decides to buy a Marquee they need to be a midfielder.
Defender : IMO the worse kind, does not really put bums on seats and really for this league, there our plenty of strong CD foreign and Aussie that don't demand a high wage.
Striker: Yes a big name will put bum's on seats how ever as we have seen in the past. Without the service he is just another striker trying to score goals.
Midfielder: A big name will put bums on seats, a creative skill full one will also put bums on seats. How ever the biggest advantage is not only should he score goals but he has the ability to put that killer though ball that most Strikers love to put away.
I think Del Piero and Yorke could both be described as successful marquee signings who were strikers (although both were more or less moved deeper into midfield at Sydney). Heskey too in his first season was a success. Smeltz at his best was also a worthwhile marquee striker. I don't think you can rule in or out any position for a marquee... it just depends on the qualities of the player. I think Gallas (when he's been on the park) has actually been very good for the team, and I think his leadership in defence is a key factor in how we've at least been competitive (i.e. not thumped 5-0) in a number of matches. But I don't think he was a worthwhile marquee, just because as you say no-one is paying to see him. I think it was a worthwhile experiment, especially given the concept that he would help grow a number of our younger defenders... it just hasn't worked out. I think ideally a marquee *has* to be a goalscorer to be considered a genuine success... you don't want just a good player to put bums on seats... you want a headline-grabber. And headline-writers love goalscorers. Personally I think the ideal set-up is to have a couple of local players on big wages in midfield (e.g. say Bresciano as an Australian marquee and a youngster with blistering pace as a youth marquee) and then an international marquee up front. Your big-name player should be competing for the golden boot, and that's when he'll be paying for himself. Unfortunately, at Glory all we could ever expect is whoever the coach is at the time signing whoever is available at the time with no thought to how they fit into the rest of the squad or indeed how the squad might look in 12 months time. Short, short, short-sightedness every single time.
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With Thwaite and Ljubo (however long), Madaschi, Dino and all the other Asian Aussie CBs that are floating around, no I don't think Gallas really improves the team enough to be worthwhile, certainly not to justify is overblown salary this season.
Meanwhile, Looselips has been at it again talking to reporters ](*,)
Edited by andytoddselbow: 11/3/2014 07:26:51 PM
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:With Thwaite and Ljubo (however long), Madaschi, Dino and all the other Asian Aussie CBs that are floating around, no I don't think Gallas really improves the team enough to be worthwhile, certainly not to justify is overblown salary this season.
Meanwhile, Looselips has been at it again talking to reporters ](*,)
Edited by andytoddselbow: 11/3/2014 07:26:51 PM Don't know what that will entail, but no doubt, problems never our doing, players all 100% behind coach, only 2 disgruntled supporters behind the turmoil, made the right decision with Kenny, we're on the right, not all the staff are my mates, I don't have Jacob to tea every night, Allia still rip us to pieces .... we'll be better next year, and so on. Anyway a quick check: 5 games left, 5 wins, 15 points; the top few teams win all games except against us; all others take points off each other with all results going our way; we finish 4th and have a home final. May give it another update after the weekend. [size=3](Yep, it's been a quiet old day at work, and expecting Mr Kerrigan to ring anytime soon)[/size]
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Have a look at the other Sage threads, its all there. But yes, you're mostly right.
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Burns' Glory contract talks on holdPerth Glory captain Jacob Burns has the drive to continue his distinguished c[size=5][/size]areer beyond this season, but says a decision has not yet been made on his playing future. Burns, who turns 36 next month, has made 111 appearances for Glory since returning to Australia in 2009 after a decade in Europe. The former Leeds United and Barnsley midfielder is out of contract at the end of this season and said he would not play for any club other than Glory. But he said all contract talks had been put on hold until the end of the season as Glory look to move off the bottom of the A-League ladder. "I love this club. I'm not entertaining any of them talks at the minute," Burns said. "I think the club's been through enough. "I think first and foremost my concentration is on getting results, turning in good performances, leading the boys and getting us as far up the ladder as we can in these next five games. "That kind of stuff all takes care of itself but I can tell you one thing, I won't be playing anywhere else. "This is very much my club, a club that I've enjoyed coming back to and putting everything back into the A-League. "We'll see when that comes, but I'm not thinking about that or dealing with any of that stuff at the minute." A series of “grenades” have dragged Glory through the mud this season but Burns is confident people will view things differently once the truth comes out. Not only are Perth last on the table, but they have also been beset by a number of feuds behind the scenes. Coach Alistair Edwards was sacked mid-season following his highly-publicised rift with a swag of players, while last month’s training bust-up between Burns and teammate Ryan Edwards showed tensions were still high. “I must say there’s been quite a few hand grenades thrown in there that will be interesting in time when things come out and the truth and a lot of honesty is said,” Burns said. “A lot of people around the game have voiced their opinion. I don’t know if they’re well-informed opinions. “But in good time some things may come out that may change people’s ideas of the goings on about the club.” Glory sit eight points out of the top six with five games to play and could be without three key players when they host finals-bound Melbourne Victory at nib Stadium on Saturday. Senior squad members William Gallas (groin and hamstring), Michael Thwaite (back) and Shane Smeltz (groin) are all in doubt. http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/soccer/a/21939957/burns-glory-contract-talks-on-hold/
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No one but Jacob Burns has a well-informed opinion. :lol:
It's horrible thing to think about him still being around next season.
Worst case scenario as I'm seeing it:
Coach: Lowe
Ass. Coach: Burns
Still at Glory: McGarry, Dodd, Smeltz, Gallas! (well it is worst-case)
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Perth supporters should be pleased with themselves. Despite the ructions the fans have stayed loyal so far. The average attendance this season is the highest since the A-League began, up nearly 14% on last season, and even if it slides in the last 3 matches it should still hold on to 2nd spot. If the planets align and some sense miraculously appears in those who need it then it is a good base to build on in a more successful season 10.
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biscuitman1871 wrote:
"This is very much my club"
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Roar_Brisbane wrote:biscuitman1871 wrote:
"This is very much my club"
:lol: I didn't write it!!
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Gyfox wrote:Perth supporters should be pleased with themselves. Despite the ructions the fans have stayed loyal so far. The average attendance this season is the highest since the A-League began, up nearly 14% on last season, and even if it slides in the last 3 matches it should still hold on to 2nd spot. If the planets align and some sense miraculously appears in those who need it then it is a good base to build on in a more successful season 10.
Edited by gyfox: 12/3/2014 04:47:46 PM So basically, justification that the current regime running the club are doing things right... When will people learn that blind loyalty is the fuel for sustained incompetence at football clubs, political parties and anything else that invokes passionate support.
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I'm not sure, I think the only game we had a decent turn out that was free tickets or some other promotion was the Brisbane Roar game.
That's the thing. Club puffs their chest at better memberships, yet still the worst in Australia.
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The membership would be higher and they could focus their energy on running the club rather than trying to deflect constant criticism if they lifted their game.
Still, I am a fan and I still hold some hope that perhaps some of the criticism will sting them into action. And by action I don't mean just running to the media to claim that they are being unfairly maligned and that all the mess is someone else's fault.
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Oh when the truth comes out ...
So why isn't it coming out, instead of going on with all the crap. I'm way past even bothering what any of the truth is with this mob anymore.
And caught some of the Sage interview on 6pr tonight - nothing new, a few fans only the trouble, no-one boos me at matches, and so on.
But most newsworthy was Sage's opinion that we've been successful, made the finals 3 years out of 4, and most footy clubs would be happy with that.
Hang about there - we're obviously not including this year, but we've had 1 top 4 finish in the 9 seasons.
That is abysmal, and especially when it's mickey mouse with 6 teams out of 10 finals bound.
2006 - 5th (no finals) - 8/21 (8 wins from 21 regular season matches)
2007 - 7th - 5/21
2008 - 7th - 4/21
2009 - 7th - 6/21
2010 - 5th (finals) - 10/27
2011 - 10th - 5/30
2012 - 3rd - 13/27
2013 - 6th - 9/27
2014 - 10th - 5/12
I am buggered if I see that as being a successful team over 9 seasons.
Some pretty impressive winning ratios in that lot.
Most seasons you only have to win 1 game out of 3 to make finals, but that equation is out of our capability.
Nope, still not happy.
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This 3 out of 4 has shocked me into action to writing again Shanagar, so don't worry you're going to get some lovely stats soon :D
Quick preview - in the last four seasons (this one NOT included), Glory have lost the equal most number of games (with Newcastle).
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The 3/4 argument is used by a couple of other apologists too. :-k
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Point taken and agreed ATE - I say that figuratively BTW, though we did indeed, literally take the point too. :p Much against Gallas is far from Gallas' fault/doing too - He was always going to be underdone (Hadn't seen football for a good 9 months or so!) and a 'Marquee defender' is never a good idea in this league and never the best utilisation of that Marquee spot, even if it's a player like Gallas, sad to say, and it's played out that way. He's offered reasonable quality, but we needed Marquee quality in AM or what not, not CB. In that regard, Edwards DOES share 'some blame', responsibility there, even though Sage too, enthusiastically signed off on it, against his own cost-cutting ethos, which he's now very/too publicly regretting! :/ f1dave wrote:Please don't entertain the thought that Gallas will stay beyond the year. Wasn't - Just would like to see us give him the best possible chance to put his talent to best use and in combo, help fix the team in a malfunctioning area, even if it's a too-little, too late kind of scenario. Atleast get some more 'value' from him, while he's here, rather than have him continue to toil, occasionally gaffe and be injured, during the rest of his ever shortening, term. Mind you, Sage's recent comments - That's just great for morale! He won't leave early, not on his paycheck, but Gallas may not be too unhappy to depart this basket-case of a club - heck, he's probably partially wanted to, not too long after joining (Edwards literally promised him a 'big club' challenging for finals) and it's not hard to tell his morale, motivation, is far from 100% aswell, with his outspoken comments/incidents from training, the least of it. His body language and expression on the pitch says it all. It's not much fun at the moment and that passage of play is a product of he being bored/frustrated, and tactically doing his own thing, overlapping, to seize the initiative in that moment. Not too great an irony that with the basket-case of a season, our Marquee CB goes against tactical instruction/discipline to roam/overlap all the way into the final third to literally finish a move in the box as if he were the striker! Pretty much a kind of 'screw it, I don't care, I'll do it myself' kind of move! Edited by GloryPerth: 13/3/2014 05:56:21 AM
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