I'm not defending Lowe. The football we have been playing under him and Ord has been dire and his post match excuses and criticisms of the younger players makes me want to vomit.

I just don't believe Edwards was the messiah that some others do and that he left us with a squad with no midfield quality/creativity. Conspiracy theorists might say that the failure to make a reasonable offer to Cordoba or adequately replace Miller were done to maximise opportunities for his sons.

We were already up shit creek and it would have been handy if our interim coach knew how to paddle.

He doesn't come close to meeting the club's selection criteria for a new coach. If he is appointed we won't be renewing our memberships next season.

Kenny for Coach!!! :lol:

Jump on the bandwagon now, toot, toot. ](*,)

If Kenny is coach next year, they have lost another supporter.

I will not even bother watching next season, even on the box.

I refuse to go to games any more because this crap management.

As someone else said, this whole club from owner to boot polisher, needs an enema and a fresh new start.

The club has grown stale and needs fresh ideas from top to bottom.

At least it will free up two hour of my week.

Will make the wife happy, if you know what I mean. ;)

Kenny for Coach!!! :lol:

Jump on the bandwagon now, toot, toot. ](*,)

If Kenny is coach next year, they have lost another supporter.

I will not even bother watching next season, even on the box.

I refuse to go to games any more because this crap management.

As someone else said, this whole club from owner to boot polisher, needs an enema and a fresh new start.

The club has grown stale and needs fresh ideas from top to bottom.

At least it will free up two hour of my week.

Will make the wife happy, if you know what I mean. ;)

30 points and 39 points, surely? Or am I missing something?

Played better Football with an overall younger team > Crap Football with Veterans/Poor imports overall

30 points by my reckoning.

I would agree that Edwards' left us short in central midfield. The reasons for that are probably complex, but would I think include a number of things that we could be critical about (overconfidence in sons and other young players, overconfidence in his ability to bring them through, underestimation of club backing and senior player's attitude, some pressure to keep a club man like McGarry when he should have taken Cordoba instead etc...).

What I liked about Edwards is that he was brave and set about things with a purpose. He put out young players, he experimented with formation and he backed his players to the hilt. Maybe Edwards was also naive about a lot of things, but those qualities of bravery and confidence are ones that I like to see in a coach.

The current coaching set up is hampered by the short term result mentality (inherent in an interim coach who has aspirations for a long term contract and an owner who prefers gritty fluky wins and rather than being patient to set in place a good structure) and a culture of blame and self justification. At the moment, the club seems determined to keep things the same and try to deflect criticism - there has been a massive effort by Glory in the news to paint Burns as a good guy and Lowe as a viable long term coaching option - rather than accepting that change has to occur.

All of this turmoil doesn't help the players' confidence of focus, whether young or old. And publically stating that the older players are frustrated when the kids make mistakes reeks of self interest - for Kenny (I don't have the cattle so don't judge me), for Burns & co (it's not our fault, even though we f*** up just as much) and for the club in general. What harm do comments like that do to a young player's confidence? They will just be even more anxious not to make mistakes (which will just increase the chances of an error), they will cease to back themselves and take risks, or they may just accept an offer from another club, as have just about every other young player produced in WA.

Surely with winning the wooden spoon for the first time in the club's 18 year history this has to force Sage into action.

If he has the temerity to appoint Lowe as head coach and re-sign Burns to another contract he is basically saying that mediocrity is acceptable.

It appears Sage only cares about the bottom line.

If he is making a small profit, why should he care about the rest???

Fuck him off I say.

Ha ha ha Whoops. Yeah 30 and 39.

At least I divided the 3 in the 13 by 3 to get the 9. \:d/

Surely he won't make a profit this season having signed Gallas and the late season visa guys though?!?

You're not following.

He didn't sign Gallas nor the late season visa guys. :lol:

Besides, IIRC, Gallas was essentially paid for by corporates and the FFA chucking in money (god knows how/why) and was cost neutral.

Sernas is on loan until the end of the season and covered by insurance for Dodd whilst Marinkovic is the only one he'd have to fork out for.

Read the message from Tony Sage in the matchday programme last night about the Glory being close to turning a profit this year.

My initial thought was "If only the A-League ladder was based on club's profitability..."

I'm sure I read somewhere that Gallas will cost about $345k after FFA contribution and injury insurance. Also had to fork out for Griffiths (hopefully not too much based on evidence thus far)

I am fully in Team Edwards, but I don't label him a messiah. I felt (feel) that he was adhering the the brief the club put forward (young, local, build for the future) and I was fully behind. I accepted that we would not be playing great football this season, or even necessarily next, whilst he rebuilt the team. He dramatically altered the team, incorporated inexperienced players (and was forced to field a near NYL back four due to the Risdon/Jameison injuries) and kept the cheapest and most "loyal" seniors to handle the transition to the next generation (you can't develop 11 young players at once, they won't learn without a sprinkling of experience.) This isn't a recipe for good football in season one, and it is remarkable that he was able to achieve the results and ladder position he did.

Unfortunately, in reincarnating a club the players come last and of course this won't sit well with squad members who feel they are being unfairly cast aside. People generally hate change when it affects them directly, and will often approach it negatively. Changes to routine, role, responsibility etc are seen as a terrible idea for a person who is comfortable in what they are doing. The club did, however, ask for this transition and should have stood by the long term goal: a strong, stable club with a true identity and a solid development of talent to remain at the peak of the game in Australia. Instead they feared losing the one expendable ingredient in this formula (the players) too much and regressed into the easy niche they have occupied year after year, trying to maintain their position by hiring mercs mid-season and ultimately (and predictably) failing. Now they have to start again from scratch, and I fear that in Edwards they have lost the only cheap and capable option of doing so. I also fear that they have done irreparable damage to their core support base due to the Club/Edwards division in supporter opinion. It is a extremely polarising event that seems to have split fans down the middle, with those on the side of Edwards so disillusioned that the prospect of continuing to support the club seems impossible.

So Kenny completes a hattrick of press conferences criticising the kids (how the fuck did this sort of thing go at the NTC?) and did anyone else hear this pearler?

"There's never a top six, and the end of the day it's about performance"

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The January trio cost $300k (presumably for this season) with Rostyn the cheapest (According to the Sunday Grime article the other week).

Gallas was initially estimated (to Shayne Hope) at $700k and then only lately is sage saying it is $600k but he gets a discount on it. :roll:

Which says to me that last place and the wooden spoon is acceptable.

Well Kenny, you just shat it your own nest.

I expect a lot of these youngsters leaving after the season (either not wanting to renew contract or leaving "by mutual agreement" because we all know Glory contracts are NEVER honoured).

So fed up with all this rubbish.

I wonder how it feels to be a supporter of a club that knows what they're doing????

Disgusted in this constant sniping of the younger guys.
Yes, they may not all be superstars, but I've seem more effort and upside from them this year than there more experienced teammates.
And dear Kenny, regardless of what transpired a moment earlier, check the replay, and the 3 closest players to Archie Thompson are Gallas, Burns and Thwaites - and you wouldn't find any more experience than that.

We were on a hiding to nothing the moment you stepped into the job with the commitment of, "If it don't all work out, I'm an engineer, and I'll just go back to engineering".
That is inspirational.

From West Australian 25 Feb:
"Sage said Glory would end up paying about $365,000 of Gallas' contract after a contribution from Football Federation Australia and money recovered through insurance against injury".

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/soccer/a/21684966/more-infighting-at-glory-but-sage-unfazed/

So that would be the "discount" I mentioned?

If Matt Davies is your future (and I hope for your sake it isn't) I'd be thrilled if we took Josh Risdon off your hands.

At this rate he'll be out the door come season's end.

Another great Glory player off to a better club.

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Just providing additional info/clarification.

Why do you always assume people are disagreeing with you?

He's our future as backup to Ris. No player should have a guaranteed starting spot (part of our problem historically) and Davies should be encouraged to push him, but when both are at their best Ris still wins out.

EA 3 wins Heart, Nix, Sydney

KL 2 wins Heart., Jets


EA 3 draws Adelade, Nix Jets

KL 4 draws Adelaide, Nix, Victory, Roar


EA losses CCM, Victory, Adelaide, Roar,

KL Losses CCM, Victory , Heart, Sydney, WSWx2


very similar stats, EA did not play against WSW a team that beat KL's Glory twice.

Edited by Begbie: 17/3/2014 01:07:39 AM

Edited by Begbie: 17/3/2014 12:14:51 PM

Reiterating what others have said, I said at the start of the season that I wouldn't mind just missing the finals if it meant developing a good young squad with a clear plan in mind.

As it stands, we've done neither :(

Yeah, judge him on one game, and not the half a dozen good games he has had as an 18 year-old in his first season as an A-League player.

Davies is fine and a good prospect, yesterday was probably his worst game of the season. He's played much better games this year. I still rate Risdon as a better player, and given Kenny loves to shoot down the young players, we'll probably see Josh back next week.

I think we can all join together in saying that there has been absolutely no positive whatsoever to come out of this season and it has been a completely wasted year rooted in failure and the exasperating of supporters and finances.

Anyone think of any positive? At all?

Been one of our best this year imo.

But but but...membership is up!

Straight Bat hasn't been around these parts recently?