One does hope he's not just trying to fill space -

David Davutovic
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But below is my top 10 list of free agents, who could yet be poached by rival clubs.

1 Gui Finkler - Melbourne Victory, 28
Negotiations have been ongoing for several months. Was close to penning a deal a few weeks ago, but Sydney FC is showing serious interest.

2 Shane Smeltz - Perth Glory, 32
Revealed that Perth Glory’s lack of professionalism and resources contributed to his lack of game-time this season. At 32, still has goals in him.

3 Matthew Spiranovic - Western Sydney, 25
The Socceroo is unlikely to leave Western Sydney for another A-League club, with overseas a more likely option after the World Cup.

4 Adama Traore - Melbourne Victory, 24
Victory had hoped to stitch him up by now. Having secured Australian citizenship, the left-back becomes a more enticing prospect.

5 Stein Huysegems - Wellington Phoenix, 31
A number of A-League clubs could have done with the Belgian’s 10 goals this season and Brisbane Roar is leading the chasing pack. Turns 32 in June.

6 Richard Garcia - Sydney FC, 32
Sydney FC won’t be re-signing the talented attacker, with a romantic WA (Perth Glory) homecoming looming. Otherwise he has offers from abroad, though his preference is to stay in Australia.

Cheers - I missed the "the" between "offer" and "more".
Makes sense now.

Oh look, another striker/winger for Glory.

Ticks ALL the boxes.

Over 30...........tick
Not a midfielder............tick
Over paid.................tick
Perth boy................tick

Quick Sage, sign him up to a 5 year contract worth at least $500K pa.

He's a bargain. :lol:

Would be a perfect like-for-like replacement for Travis Dodd, who also didn't benefit squad balance or fit at all with the supposed direction of the club.

well we're not getting Garcia, he is gone to Minnesota in 2nd tier US - thank god.

On Hersi - I rate him highly, with him and Sciola on both wings, both options on the wings are very dangerous.

He also played most games this season so doesn't get injured too often.

Just depends on how much Glory have offered him, he rejected $500k from wanderers, is that over 2 years or 1 year?

Not worth $500k a year but if he is on 250k per year for the 2 years, then good signing.

$500k a year is Marquee wages or else it would be 20% of the cap on one player alone.

That said, Sterj was meant to be on $600k/year and in the last year was allegedly under the cap (too meet the minimum) so Tony has form there for being dodgy.

I wouldn't say he's any less dodgy on that particular front than any other A-League club.

Front or back-loading contracts in the A-League to meet the cap is fairly standard practice.



Really though, this quote should accompany the picture of Hersi:
“More needs to be done in the recruitment area to guard against the presence of players who simply seek a superannuated end to their careers.”

And yes, that's from the 'external review' of the club.

But we don't know it was back-loaded, all we know is he was on marquee wages WHILST then being put under the cap.

Great quote btw.

Would love to chew Hatt's ear off one afternoon about that report. Sure there's a lot he could add :D

What is this 'external review' you speak of???

I thought it was a door stop for Sage's dunny?????

Would like to see Rukavytsya come back to Perth. I think he'd be a great signing.

Heh...



http://notthefootyshow.com/2011/03/21/who-paid-the-piper/

7 players with A-League experience cannot beat a state league opposition and some people are complaing we are bringing in experienced players.

Oh gawd. Rofl. You really couldn't make this stuff up. Hahaha.

What an indirect way of getting rid of Mitchell (not to remember the office staff - anyone remember the discussion of that day? :shock: ).



Some people are complaining they're too good for NPL!

What are you complaining about Begsy?

Some people are complaining they're too good for NPL!

What are you complaining about Begsy?[/quote]


If our young players are unable to comfortably beat Sorrento from the stae league than how the fuck they going to take on A-League opposition. Glory need to recruit experienced players and not rely on young guys who may never be of enough quality to hold down a regular spot in an A-League team.

If our young players are unable to comfortably beat Sorrento from the stae league than how the fuck they going to take on A-League opposition. Glory need to recruit experienced players and not rely on young guys who may never be of enough quality to hold down a regular spot in an A-League team.[/quote]
Recruiting experienced players worked well for us this year.

Recruiting experienced players worked well for us this year.[/quote]



who?

Ryan? Cameron? Jamie? O'Brien? Evans?

Only 2 experienced players brought in Sidnie and Gallas.

Sidnie when on his game is a great player but needs to stay on his feet and not look for fouls.

Gallas injury prone, cocked up big time but resonably solid.

Glory's problem has been this boom-or-bust attitude towards recruiting certain types of players.

Mitch/Fergie wanted seasoned campaigners so brought in a whole squad of them.
Edwards wanted youngsters so brought in a whole squad of them.
Lowe wants more experience so he'll no doubt be permitted to bring in a whole squad of it.


Clubs that have success developing young players do so by starting with a fundamentally proven squad of say 14-18 players, and allowing the best youngsters to compete with the older players, earn starting spots and eventually establish themselves in the team. Not having any youngsters getting games doesn't work (as happened with Fergie) and relying on youngsters to lead the way and basically be first-team regulars from day dot (as Edwards seem to have in mind) also doesn't work.

Really... I would argue Fergie has the most to answer for, as he basically utilised a not overly talented group of experienced players and built a grafting, determined team that got enough in the way of results to make a grand final. But at the same time, youngsters couldn't get much of a go in that team because it was built on solidarity and didn't have the quality to cover for developing players. As a result we lost a number of young prospects who should now be the first-team players helping our next crop of youngsters also come into the team.

By not having the likes of Taggart, Makarounas, Sainsbury, Babalj, Mitchinson, etc. at the club, we have basically lost a generation which not only hampers the immediate fortunes of the club but makes it much harder to give the likes of O'Neill, De Silva, Woodcock and Maclaren the limited amount of exposure in a successful team that would best suit their development.

Congrats! You've just given the very reason young players should be exposed to senior football in the State League. Marvellous, I knew you'd come round eventually.

Sure your last sentence is ridiculous because if you don't give these players the chance they're never going to develop and you're left with a bunch of over-paid under-performing mercenaries and you regress the game here and at the club, but baby steps n all.

And if you actually read biscuit's report most of the A-league contingent that played performed well. Losing 3-2 to a top NPL side with 10-men for last 20 minutes is not something to start scrapping the concept altogether and just sign whatever 30 year old off0cuttings we can get from over East.

But keep reading into things how you wish to see them. :lol:

We lost the generation before that too with Edwards, Edwards, Evans, Jukic, a lot of the youngsters who made up the youth squad who nearly one that Grand Final (Trifiros?).

I think Ali was trying to rectify that. Remember he did have a 3 year plan which we only saw 6 months of, that's a narrow window. This upcoming season could have had 9-10 player changes under him the same we're seeing under Lowe. What's to say he wasn't going to bring in another decent striker, or better midfielders? McGarry and Burns have now left. Rostyn basically fell in the club's lap, that's not a coach thing. There's still the building blocks of a good squad moving forward.

The thing with youth is you always need a cycle coming up otherwise things become stagnant. As you say, with Kenny now shifting the focus and Brewer happy with "what we got" then next season will be left with the same youth as this year just different experienced players taking the first XI spots.

FFS you are deluded,


Sorrento's form and results leading into trhe game was poor, they also had players out due to injury most notably their Goalkeeper. Sorrento were reduced to 10 men due to James Morgan recieving a second yellow so Glory were not playing against an extra player.

If these guys are not good wnough to match Sorrento how are they good enough to match Brisbane, WSW etc etc.

We need quality players added to the squad.

Quality.

Comparing Brisbane to Sorrento.

I don't think anyone in their right mind expects 11 youngsters to go up against a rampant Brisbane.

But, youth needs to start to learn and stand on their own two feet. Not exposing them to these sorts of games against Sorrento will not develop these players.

Based on this result Glory might as well withdraw from the NPL because they can't beat every team 5-0. ](*,)

That's not the point of Glory being in the NPL.

So you agree we need to recruit quality, experienced players, hallelujah

Edited by Begbie: 7/5/2014 07:53:17 PM

Nope. Not ignoring youth completely.

If young players gain the experience in the NPL as a team I think you'll be amazed how much they will improve.

Hiding youth away and only playing experienced players will leave Glory in the exact position they are today.

Sorry, I must have missed the part where I (or anyone else) said "EVERYONE ONE OF THESE GUYS NEEDS TO START AND FILL ALL THE POSITIONS IN THE STARTING SQUAD COME ROUND ONE!!!!11111"

Please, help me find out where that was said. I must have such an inferior memory to yours.

@ bovs - pretty much agree. but also think that Edwards went large with kids in an effort to keep talent in the State and inspire the next gen that there may be a pathway at Glory - to arrest the previous problems. It, perhaps predictably, didn't turn out, but I think Edwards thought he had more time and could have a struggle this season, see off the old hacks, replace them with some better experienced players (ie more mobile, better passers etc...) and then put something in place in season 2 with all the kids blooded and ready to contribute to that.

Excellent, so you agree that these guys are not good enough to be the core players for Glory in the immediate future and therefore we must bring in quality players who have decent experience, at last.

Why are you trying to change what people said or warp what they actually say? Respond to my actual post please. Where did people say these youngsters are the ones that should make up the whole first XI? You're building up imaginary counterpoints to knock them down.

You do it every time. It's called a Strawman, Farmer Begs. Your sniping is pointless unless you actually a) have a point to make first (which you do not, you're always responding to people first with your sniping) or b) actually make a legitimate effort to respond to what people are saying when you wish to further a discussion with them.



Is not the same thing as:



No one has said they want a starting team next year of all 8 PG participants in the NPL match.

No one has said all 8 of those players deserve to start 27 matches every match.

So stop talking crap, stop making delusional statements with no foundation or basis to them.

All players deserve exposure and game time throughout a season. That is how they learn, get better and then become starters, become good players, go overseas, become Socceroos . It's the way of life in football. It's the way of life in most fucking sports. You should try to wrap your head around the concept.

All of those players are talented youngsters and have a chance to make it if they get the right development, coaching and game-time.

If you think an A-League team needs 23 players who are 30, that's fine, that's your opinion. Just realise no one is going to agree with you and will (constantly) point out why it is wrong.

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/1188489/glory-duo-return-to-parent-clubs





:lol: Hehe, that's quite...



Edited by GloryPerth: 8/5/2014 05:37:32 AM

Not really worried if Glory youth lose to teams like Sorrento. Fair to say, that the Glory use these matches for different reasons to other teams in the league. The youth guys are playing these games mainly for fitness and development. Whereas most of the teams in the NPL are gonna be treating the games against Glory as their biggest match of the season and will have extra motivation to knock them off.

Look at Peel Thunder in the WAFL. They haven't won a game and they have about 15, mostly young Fremantle Dockers playing for them most weeks. The other teams beating them are all semi-professionals, just like Sorrento in the NPL. Doesn't mean the players are rubbish and not good enough to play at a higher level.

Not sure Peel Thunder is a good comparison - they've only been the Dockers "reserves" this year, but 16 seasons before that, they've literally NEVER had a season where they haven't lost more games than they've won.

The absolute definition of a basketcase.