I just wanted to see how many people are going to the f1 GP today or are at least gonna watch it on t.v.

how about those Brawn GP cars!!!!!!!!

Edited by davidtorres: 5/4/2009 09:27:20 AM

I wish...

Are Brawn one of the teams that will come under scrutiny for illegal bodywork?

I love the look of the Mclarens, I have been a big Kimmi Raikonnedn fan throughout his career so i hope he does well. I hate Hamilton but I admire his talent

I used to go every year when I was a kid back before it got so damn expensive. I love it, Sounds amazing.

My prediction:
Button, Barrichello, Raikkonen on the podium. Hamilton will get in the points, just. Webber DNF.
They said in the paper webber ony had 3 career retirements, I think they left the '0' off after it :lol:

I'll predict Button, Massa, Barrichello podium, Webber 8th, Hamilton out of points.

Massa is slow off the start line most of the time, if Raikkonen can get the jump on him there, he'll make the podium.

what time it start??

5:00pm I think.

shit really i thought it wouldve started at 2 or sumthing. ok well now i can watch it

It used to start at two, but now they're having this whole 'twilight grand prix for the benefit of european television ratings' bullshit.

yeah it not that bad really, doesn't affect me.

I like the 5pm timeslot, but i dont like the fact that its for overseas audience.

Edited by avy1990: 29/3/2009 03:46:17 PM

It's fair enough that they've changed the start time to pander to the european audience, since that's where most of the interest comes from. My problem is that the start time makes it easier for the local residents to object and I won't get to watch it because of the late start.

Jensen Button wins after some late drama, good on him. 1-2 for Braun in their first ever race, thats quite incredible.

I paused it, then when i came back to watch it, it had re-started itself and it had freaking ended, Rewind to the rescue.

Reading through this now, it seems like people might think im off my head pausing tv, but ive got that MyStar or whatever you call it.



Edited by avy1990: 29/3/2009 09:54:10 PM

was a good race in the end, shame that webber went out early though.

That should be totally expected of him. Every race he qualifies top 10 and then fucks his car up in the actual race.

was the first corner today haha

Put Webber in a quality car and he'll go places IMO

A lot of his DNF's are due to engine problems

Edited by avy1990: 29/3/2009 10:06:52 PM

his car is quality he is just shit driving it.

It's "Brawn", named after Ross Brawn who used to engineer for Benneton and Ferrari they're not driving toothbrushes ;)

Re: Webber - there was nothing wrong with his car, His teammate Vettel would have come second if fucking Barichello hadn't maliciously taken him out. Webber's problem is that he's a headstrong driver and he's not willing to yield positions easily, so when he's being challenged for position it will usually end in tears.

I don't follow F1, so sue me:p

And it was Kubica who crashed with Vettel, not Barichello. And there was no vicious taking out, neither of them backed down is all.

Oh I plan to. Trust me ;)

None of them backing down is always going to be an issue. Common etiquette says that whoever has the inside line has right of way. It's all on Kubica.

But they were only that close because of Vettel making a mistake the previous corner. He screwed up, didn't want to give away second, and so tried to stay in front when really he should have backed down. But at the same time, the inside line is the right of way. In the end they were both in the wrong, it just happens.

I like both of them and their driving styles, so I'm a bit disappointed that they're handicapped in the title race already, but it's early days.
That said, Brawn is a fucking genius and has so much experience, his team will be streets ahead of everybody.

Vettel has also been handed a 10 spot grid handicap or something, for trying to drive around with 3 wheels.

:-S So he should have retired from the race even though the damage to his car wasn't terminal?? :-k

It was an incredible race, one of my all time favourites. But for me the best part was seeing the Ferrari supporters go home pissed off!!!
Anyways, congats to Button, Barrichello and Brawn GP. Who would of guessed Brawn would be 1-2 on the statring grid, and at the end of the race? Also, the toyota's started last and finished 3rd and 5th!!! Same with Hamilton. He started 18th (3rd last) and finished 4th!

But I was a bit dissapointed that with 3 laps left Vettel and Kubica crash into eachother! 3 LAPS LEFt, WTF where they thinking?

Also, MArk Webber, biggest fail in Australian sport history. Nah, noly joking. He is a good driver he just has some pretty bad luck!!

The first time they raced in Shanghai, that was insane.

Toyota should be very proud of their achievements in that race, they should be very competative this season.
Brawn look like the team to beat, but wait until after Malaysia to write off McLaren from the constructor's championship.

Yeah that one is one of my all time favouites! Also that race in Nurburgring back in 2007. It was absolutely pouring down rain and like 10 cars went off in the first corner! Also one of the Spykers put wets on from the start, and was actually in the lead until they stopped the race after 3 laps! I'm never gonna forget that race!!!



Yeah but it was a shame that Jarno Trulli was stripped of his podium place!
What happened was at the corner where I was sitting, Jarno Trulli went off the track and Lewis Hamilton passed him, but it was under the safety car. So Hamilton would of got a penalty, but then Hamilton let Trulli through so that Hamilton wouldn't get a penalty. But in the end Trulli was the one to get a penalty for passing Hamilton!!!!

Barrichelo was a thug taking out Webber and almsot taking Kimmi, the other drivers seem to hold Webber in a high regard and they think he would be awesome with a good team, I remember when he was leaving BMW and there was rumours of him going to Renault and the Kimmi's Ferrari spot hadnt of been taken but Webber sold out for Red Bull when he had a realistic chance of signing with Renault, I hate Renault but he would have been way better there

Nurnburgring 1997...I Coulthard/Hill 1/2 was also pretty special IIRC.

#-o Yeah, that's a pretty loopy decision on their part. Strangely, it's not the first time it's happened to him.

They used to have the best corporate box on the track back in the 90's. I remember being in there when they had qualifying one year. I think it was about 1998, but that's not important, what IS important is that the corporate box went over the main straight. But that was back when there was tobacco sponsorship and Rothmans was paying all their bills.

Did you hear? Hamilton got his podium revoked and Jarno Trulli got promoted back to third for lying. What a fckan stupid little prick Hamilton is.

Yeah, sucks to be Hamilton I guess. But such is life. That's what you get really.

Can we rename this thread to "The Forumla One thread" or something??

Not a bad Idea!!

So, the Malaysian Grand Prix is on today and once again Jenson Button is pole!
Here are the results...

1. Jenson Button (GBR/Brawn-Mercedes) 1:35.181

2. Jarno Trulli (ITA/Toyota) 1:35.273

3. Sebastian Vettel (GER/Red Bull-Renault) 1:35.518

4. Rubens Barrichello (BRA/Brawn-Mercedes) 1:35.651

5. Timo Glock (GER/Toyota) 1:35.690

6. Nico Rosberg (GER/Williams-Toyota) 1:35.750

7. Mark Webber (AUS/Red Bull-Renault) 1:35.797

8. Robert Kubica (POL/BMW Sauber) 1:36.106

9. Kimi Raikkonen (FIN/Ferrari) 1:36.170

10. Fernando Alonso (ESP/Renault) 1:37.659

Eliminated in Q2:

11. Nick Heidfeld (GER/BMW Sauber)

12. Kazuki Nakajima (JPN/Williams-Toyota)

13. Lewis Hamilton (GBR/McLaren-Mercedes)

14. Heikki Kovalainen (FIN/McLaren-Mercedes)

15. Sebastien Bourdais (FRA/Toro Rosso-Ferrari)

Eliminated in Q1:

16. Felipe Massa (BRA/Ferrari)

17. Nelson Piquet Jr (BRA/Renault)

18. Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA/Force India-Ferrari)

19. Adrian Sutil (GER/Force India-Ferrari)

20. Sebastien Buemi (SUI/Toro Rosso-Ferrari)

Barrichello has a five-place grid penalty and Vettel has a 10-place grid penalty.

I dont mind Trulli but Raikonenn is my number one, I used to support F1 more than football a few years ago but havent followed it since really, wouldnt mind getting back into it though.

I used to be a fan of Trulli when he was teamed up with Fisichella, but i dropped off him a while ago, I really dont have a number one driver, must get one.

Fernando Alonso. He is an absolute champion.

And alonso is one of the two drivers i hate, Him and Hamilton

Actually, how about you go for Sebastian Vettel. He is a gun!

I might actually, I'm a big fan of the Red Bull brand, and teammates to Webber doesnt hurt, ok, I go for Vettel.

happy with 5th place

As for Vettel, the only time hes had a better lap on Mark is 3rd quali where Mark's car always have 6-10ltrs more fuel in it.

Mark webber has to be the unluckiest driver in F1. Me i am a huge lewis hammilton fan

Fixed.

:lol: That's such a load of bollocks. Webber's had so many chances and taken none of them, it's not that he's unlucky, he's just not nearly half the driver everybody thinks he is.
I like watching Button and Trulli drive, they're both quality. Doesn't surprise me to see Button on pole again. Championship is his for the taking.
Can't stand Alonso, the guy's so damn arrogant!

one or the other

your kidding right ? you enjoy watching button, he came 18th last year and 15th the year before that.

That may be, but he hasn't had the team tos upport him. He's a great driver who's had a very unreliable car during his time at Honda. When he was at Williams and Renault he suffered from being the second choice driver. The BAR Honda team lacked the balls to help him out. Now he's first choice driver, has Barichello beside him who's used to being second fiddle and a team with the know-how to get the job done. You'll see some exciting stuff from him.

Well who watched the F1 today in Malaysia?
Far iut what a race, wht action! Too bad it was stopped but it was absolute non stop racing!!
Button now has 2 poles from 2 races and 2 wins from 2races! Who would of thought?
Webber=6th....not bad! But due to the fact that the race was cancelled before 75% of the race was completed, drivers were only awarded half points!

Here are the drivers standings:
1 Jenson Button (GBR) Brawn 15
2 Rubens Barrichello (BRA) Brawn 10
3 Jarno Trulli (ITA) Toyota 8.5
4 Timo Glock (GER) Toyota 8
5 Nick Heidfeld (GER) BMW Sauber 4
6 Fernando Alonso (ESP) Renault 4
7 Nico Rosberg (GER) Williams 3.5
8 Sebastien Buemi (SUI) Toro Rosso 2
9 Mark Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1.5
10 Lewis Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1
11 Sebastien Bourdais (FRA) Toro Rosso 1
12 Adrian Sutil (GER) Force India 0
13 Felipe Massa (BRA) Ferrari 0
14 Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA) Force India 0
15 Kazuki Nakajima (JAP) Williams 0
16 Sebastian Vettel (GER) Red Bull 0
17 Nelson Piquet Jr. (BRA) Renault 0
18 Kimi Raikkonen (FIN) Ferrari 0
19 Robert Kubica (POL) BMW Sauber 0
20 Heikki Kovalainen (FIN) McLaren 0


Edited by davidtorres: 5/4/2009 11:28:11 PM

it was pissing in malaysia i cant belive how bad it was

QFT!
When I really followed the F1 and Kimmi was when Alonso won his first title and his celebrations and arrogance used to piss me off so much. On Hamilton, whats to be a fan of? The guy is an absolute prick! I admire his driving talents but as a person he is a slimy little bastard

Um...I don't get it? How can there be 'non stop racing' and yet the race was stopped :?

Makes me think of Theo Walcott actually 8-[ (Waits for backlash from Arsenal fans)

Keep waiting.

I was wondering when someone was gonna pick that one up!

You could have been waiting a while when I'm probably the only other person who will frequent this topic :P

I've heard news that Lewis Hamilton wanted quit McLaren and even F1 over that cheating scandal in Melbourne. Pretty interesting stuff. I never thought it was this serious!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article6037246.ece

Edited by davidtorres: 7/4/2009 10:32:52 PM

Anyone watch the Chinese GP today?
Awesome race and well done to Webber.
See, if he has a good car he can do well.
Finally someone beats Brawn GP!!! lol
Well done to Vettel, Webber and Red Bull.
WHat a championship this is turning out to be

Damn i thought it was live tonight. Must find results.

It was on One HD at 5

I dont get One HD here yet, fucking Channel Ten.

Don't you have a set top box?

Nah, but my tv is a LCD HD one so im set like that.

Just Ten hasnt expanded ONEHD outside of urban areas.

Yeah it hasnt reached Bendigo yet either

I think it comes to Southerncross Ten soon though avy

We're not Southern Cross are we Avy? I don't even remember these days... Never use the thing. Only want this channel so I can watch the NBA playoffs more often.

Yeah, it better be soon, I want more sport :lol:

Yeah, we still have Southern Cross.

Before this gets too far off topic.
Did anyone watch the race, if so what did you think.

I will later, then give my opinion.

no cos One HD isnt in Bendigo yet and ICBF'd staying up to watch it to night but I saw that it was pretty wet and that Hamiltion crashed on the news, Hamilton crashing is always good

Well here are the results:

1. Sebastian Vettel (GER/Red Bull) 1hr 57mins 43.485secs
2. Mark Webber (AUS/Red Bull) at 10.970
3. Jenson Button (GBR/Brawn) at 44.975
4. Rubens Barrichello (BRA/Brawn) at 1:03.704
5. Heikki Kovalainen (FIN/McLaren) at 1:05.102
6. Lewis Hamilton (GBR/McLaren) at 1:11.866
7. Timo Glock (GER/Toyota) at 1:14.476
8. Sebastien Buemi (SUI/Toro Rosso) at 1:16.439
9. Fernando Alonso (ESP/Renault) at 1:24.309
10. Kimi Raikkonen (FIN/Ferrari) at 1:31.750
11. Sebastien Bourdais (FRA/Toro Rosso) at 1:34.156
12. Nick Heidfeld (GER/BMW Sauber) at 1:35.834
13. Robert Kubica (POL/BMW Sauber) at 1:46.853
14. Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA/Force India) at 1 lap
15. Nico Rosberg (GER/Williams) at 1 lap
16. Nelson Piquet Jr (BRA/Renault) at 2 laps

Did not finish:
Jarno Trulli (ITA/Toyota) - accident lap 19
Felipe Massa (BRA/Ferrari) - mechanical problem lap 21
Kazuki Nakajima (JPN/Williams) - mechancial problem lap 45
Adrian Sutil (GER/Force India) - spin lap 50

Also here are the drivers standings:

01 Jenson Button 21
02 Rubens Barrichello 15
03 Sebastian Vettel 10
04 Timo Glock 10
05 Mark Webber 9.5
06 Jarno Trulli 8.5
07 Nick Heidfeld 4
08 Fernando Alonso 4
09 Heikki Kovalainen 4
10 Lewis Hamilton 4


01 Brawn-Mercedes 36
02 RBR-Renault 19.5
03 Toyota 18.5
04 McLaren-Mercedes 8
05 BMW Sauber 4
06 Renault 4
07 STR-Ferrari 4
08 Williams-Toyota 3.5
09 Ferrari 0
10 Force India-Mercedes 0

Webber sitting in a nice 5th, I like.

Yeah.
But the bit that amazes me is that Ferrari haven't even got 1 point after 3 races!

Webber was lucky it was raining and the faster cars behind him didn't get a decent chance to make a run at him. If the weather was fine he wouldn't have come second that's for sure, particularly running light on a three stop strategy. Good result for him though.
That was a great stack between Kubica and Trulli too. I guess you could say it was Trulli spectacular.

This is the worst start to a season for Ferrari since 1992.

Yeah its painfull as a Kimmi fan to see them doing so badly but I dont mind Red Bull, they have a nice setup the Aussie races for them, the drink is good and the cars look awesome

Looking forward to tonights race, gotta love one hd. I hope either Trulli or Vettel will get it, or anyone as long as it's not Button. Pretty funny about Webber though, that would've been really frustrating for him.

Ironically, they use Ferrari engines too.

I forgot the race was on tonight. Webber was actually unlucky this time. Shame.
Toymota should run away with things.

Fucking channel 10 show the broadcast in widescreen so the standings are cut off the side of the fucking screen! :evil:

Button and the Brawn team annoy me with how good they are starting from scratch this year. I hope he enjoys his non-alcoholic champagne

Edited by Krackovich: 26/4/2009 11:56:43 PM

Yeah, what happened to Webber? He was on the charge early but he just couldn't keep it up.
Good drive by Vettel, disappointing from Hamilton yet again.

guess it just shows that last years win was nothing spectacular

Well technically they didn't start from scratch.
The car is basically a Honda, but because Honda sold the team to Brawn (For $2!!!) it is called Brawn GP. All the work was done by Honda last season.

The reason teams such as Brawn, Toyota and Red Bull are doing so well is because they worked on the car way before any other team. When teams like McLaren and Ferrari were concentrated on last years championship, these other teams were already working on this years car.
That's the reason they are doing so well.

It goes to show, with a good car, Button is pretty damn fast!

Pretty much. It was luck for a fair part.

Hi, davidtorres.:-#

Apart from the motor and finances...the important bits...

Today is the 15 year anniversary of the deaths of Ayrton Senna and Roland Ratzenberger at Imola 1994

RIP!

RIP, Ratzenberger's death is forgotten often due to Senna death the next day.

Tragic race weekend that one, and come to think that Senna should not have died as he was not meant to race due to RR's death.

Senna should not have died because his helmet should not have failed him. It was a tragic and bizarre turn of events.

It's hard to believe it was 15 years ago. How time has simply evaporated...

*BUMP*

Monaco GP is on this weekend.
Personally, this is probably my favouirte race of the season, not cause of the history of the race of whatever but the racing is awesome!
And I think this may be the race for Mark Webber. Red Bull will be very strong at Monaco so this is Webbers greatest chance.
BTW, if anyone feels like watching practice or qualifying, go on this website. www.rojadirecta.com.

Also, GO ALONSO

Yeah, One of my favs for sure at Monaco.

Also, GO WEBBER

Monte Carlo is certainly one of the most amazing tracks on the calendar. Requiring an immense ammount of driver skill with the number of difficult, fast turns. Lets hope things go better this year than the rainy race we had last year.

What do people make of the troubles regarding the possible rule changes and team boycotts?

WTF? Monaco has the worst racing. There are zero overtaking points. It's Exhibit A whenever someones complains about F1 being a procession.

I'm really interested in what is going on here because it's not really being promoted much on the media but this is very big news.
Ferrari are very serious about quitting and so are Renault and Red Bull.
If this happens it will be a massive blow to F1. I seriously hope it does not happen.
But the FIA need to fuckan think about what they are doing. I seriously hope they are not turning into the AFL and introduicng new rules every fucking week.
Remember early this season, they wanted to make it that wins decide championships not points.
That has seriously got to be the dumbest thing ever! The most consistent driver should always be champion. ](*,)

What do u think afro?



I mean not in like overtaking or whatever, but the way the drivers have to be absolutley perfect every single lap. One mistake you're in the wall!

Edited by davidtorres: 22/5/2009 04:33:25 PM

A lot of posturing that will probably turn out to nothing. Bernie is successful because he realised long ago that Formula 1 = Ferrari. He won't let them go.
Flip side is that a breakaway championship is a very real possibility. If Ferrari go, you can be sure Renault, BMW and Red Bull will be close behind. If it does happen, you can bet it will be with Bernie at the helm.


Spectacular yes, but that's not racing.



Edited by f1worldchamp: 22/5/2009 04:38:21 PM

Actually there's two. But it doesn't make for good racing, just good crashes.

I think that introducing budget cuts is only going to mean that shortcuts are taken which is going to put teams and drivers in danger. You're already pushing the envelope as it is. To then suggest that teams will be ALLOWED to take certain shortcuts depending on HOW FAR under the budget they are is just rediculous. I certainly hope that the FIA has the sense to know that if they do this they will kill the sport. The sport can't survive without Ferrari and teams can't run for under the mooted 80mil USD cap, right now Ferrari, McLaren, Toyota and Red Bull are all running at close to DOUBLE that. It would be a shame to watch the sport die, I've grown up watching it, I was only a little tacker when Senna died, but I was lucky enough to be behind the scenes in the late 90's when Williams Renault dominated the sport with Hill and Villeneuve and I still have signed posters from both drivers around here somewhere.

There are zero genuine overtaking points. It's usually tried into Hotel Mirabeau, but there's a great hump in the road just there and getting off the racing line is a bad idea, and there's out of the tunnel into the chicane, but again there isn't a lot of room and if you miss the corner you have to yeild the place anyway.
Those same corners on any other track would not be considered overtaking points.
I have to say, I don't like Monaco. I'm all for street circuits, but it's past it's prime. You can't even say the crashes are all that great because they aren't going fast enough. The only big crash I remember is Karl Wendlinger in the Sauber in '94. He went off at the chicane and it ended his F1 career. This was one race after Senna and Ratzenberger died.

But who doesnt like watching crashes?

Coming out of the tunnel and the turn into the pit straght are the two real overtaking chances. Trying to overtake at Hotel Mirabeau is suicide. We saw that last year with...I think it was Kovelained cannoning into Sutil in the wet.

You complain about the lack of pace meaning that there are no decent stacks, but if anything that would actually make it more dangerous due to the fact that the lack of pace wouldn't allow the car's crumple zones to work as effectively as they should, jarring the driver.

Edited by afromanGT: 23/5/2009 07:08:35 AM

Crashing at a lower speed is more dangerous? :shock:
You wanna try tht one again?

I know that sounds kind of daft. But think about it like this; the car has crumple zones designed to give way under impact to protect the driver in the evend of a crash (better the car irreperably breaks than the driver, even if the driver would be cheaper to replace). Now if you don't hit the wall hard enough these crumple zones aren't going to crumple the way they're meant to, and because of the nature of the substance they are made out of, this means that they will transfer the impact force and that's going to go to the softest thing around, ie the driver, to absorb the impact. Thus it's more dangerous physically for the driver, if he is going at a speed like 100-150km/h than if he were doing less or more.
It requires more than a rudimentary understanding of mechanical physics to explain more, it was explained to me once years ago and I could understand it but I'm not sure I could convey it.

For people who want to watch qualifiying, go on this site.It''s on right now.
http://www.rojadirecta.com/freedocast/428A31D72133109E

You're right, you can't.
The driver sit in a saftey cell that isn't meant to collapse at any speed. The cell around the driver will always remain intact. The crumple zones are progressive, and most 'offs' happen under braking.

Or just watch it on Ten HD, channel one.

The race is now only 1 hour away!!! I can't wait.
Here are the qualifying results if no-one saw them
Webber was doing alright but in the last session he was quite slow.
Not sure if he's doing a 1 stopper. :?
But again Button on pole and Hamilton near the back.
Oh how things have changed! :lol:

1. Button
2. Barrichello
3. Raikonnen
4. Vettel
5. Massa
6. Rosberg
7. Kovalainen
8. Webber
9. Alonso
10 Nakajima
11.Buemi
12. Piquet
13.Fisichella
14.Bourdais
15.Sutil.
16.Hamilton
17.Heidfeld
18.Kubica
19.Trulli
20.Glock

Things have changed for the better. I'll predict:

1. Button
2. Webber
3. Barrichello

No shit. Thanks for that captain obvious. It's all about transferral of force.
If the crumple zones don't crumple, there is greater force transferred more effectively along the frame of the car and into the protective capsule around the driver. This was the problem that they had with Zanardi when he lost his legs.

Winner: 1. Button
2. Barrichello
3. Raikkonnen
5. Webber

meh

Are you serious? Have you even seen Zanardi's accident? It was huge. And the drivers cell came apart. That's why he lost his legs.
You're trying to argue that a low speed accident can be worse for a driver than a high speed accident. Either whatever you were told is wrong, or you have misinterpreted it.
You're wrong. Accept it.

Oh, and before I forget, all those who tried to defend Monaco. Zero crashes and zero overtakes last night. Exciting, huh?

Edited by f1worldchamp: 25/5/2009 09:41:36 AM

It's not a hard and fast rule that a faster accident IS safer, but it can be more dangerous. I spent several years in the Williams team garage at the Australian and Malaysian GP (flew straight in and straight out, didn't see shit all else), I've got a pretty good understanding of how things work.

Did you even watch the race? Nakajima went off on the last lap straight into the wall, Kovelainen crashed out on lap 58, Vettel on 15 and Buemi hit Piquet on lap 10.

:-s


And were any of them 'exciting'? Sliding off into the tyres isn't exactly riveting stuff. You want crashes try putting Derick Warwick Monza or Luciano Burti Spa into YouTube and then tell me Buemi sticking it up Piquet's arse was exciting.