So you're saying if the mother was a heroin-addicted whore, separation is still a bad idea.

Pretty much exactly the same as you except when I get to sleep I have horrible nightmares. I would call them night terrors because they do terrify me and when I wake up from one I never know if I've actually woken up or even if it was just a dream or not. The last time I got a decent sleep was thanks to a bottle of tequila and some weed. And that was a good two-three months ago.

Pretty Much.

My mouth swells up and becomes ridiculously itchy, skin goes dry. The worst i had it was for about 3 weeks. My mouth swelled up big time and i couldnt get the burning to go away. Had trouble sleeping. Had to sleep up right with a face towl on my mouth because it would get ridiculously dry. My face went all red and burning and was just not pleasant at all. Now im more aware of it so havent had it so bad, plus i make sure to keep allergy tablets with me.

Your in a mood tonight i'm guessing?

The situation you just described is not IDEAL now is it, the fact that the mother is addicted to heroin which has caused need for seperation, certainly doesn't sound IDEAL to me, how about you? Therefore, the situation is not IDEAL

You following this at all?

You can't change 'ideal' from referring to the separation to applying to the state of the person to which you weren't even referring. What an absolute fail of a save.

Point is, while children deserve to have both parents, sometimes it is neither practical, nor IDEAL or even ethical in a real world scenario for them to continue to live in houses where they're exposed to negative environments. Sometimes, separation is the IDEAL outcome.

Have you tried natural relaxants like Valerian or Kava? Failing that, hypnosis and meditation are other good options.

oh ffs did you even read the rest of my post? I was in SUPPORT of him taking the kids full time from the mother!

I was just saying that its never IDEAL for a family to be split apart, however sometimes it is necessary. I'll say it again, because you don't seem to be quite comprehending my very simple message:

[size=9]"It is never ideal for a family to be split up, but some times it is necessary"[/size]

Yes, the "ideal" outcome for the kids of a drug fucked Mum is to remove them, but it would be even more "ideal" if the Mum wasn't drug fucked in the first place and therefore there was no need for the seperation in the first place and the family could stay together!

Mate I get that your bored and that Notor isn't playing with you any more, but stop trying to fabricate arguments with me, alright? cunt?

Edited by RJL25: 8/11/2012 11:24:48 PM

You're talking about a utopian world where everyone lives in white picket houses in a nuclear family. Fact of the matter is, 62% of american families are considered to be dysfunctional according to a 2009 survey. So unless you're going to bludgeon dysfunctional parents to death and replace them with clones of Nigella Laweson and Curtis Stone then that's just not going to happen.

for FUCK sake afro, everything your saying is exactly the same argument that i'm making! Don't you bloody see that?

I'm saying that yes the IDEAL situation (ie ideal world, utopian, whatever you want to call it) is that the parents are together with the kids, but in the real world shit happens and sometimes its best for the kids to be seperated from 1 or both parents.

Again, I WAS POSTING IN SUPPORT OF HIM TAKING THE KIDS FULL TIME! FFS man I'm on your bloody side!!! Whats wrong with you? Your picking an argument with someone who is already in bloody agreement with you! Are you drunk?

Edited by RJL25: 8/11/2012 11:53:43 PM

Obviously this is a problem with language.

This is what you said. Obviously we agree that in an in-ideal world this isn't the case.

WGMG: Knowing I should break up with my girlfriend but not having the stones to do it.

Fuck this thread is petty.

Isn't that the point?

Well gee, I'm sorry if some of my problems aren't "real" enough for you.

Cheers, RJL & Afro - stop fucking arguing though, thanks.

ual - what is petty to one is pertinant to another.

WGMG: So pissed off today. Been extremely frustrated this whole week.

WGMG: Cold & Flu medicine. It works, but I always feel fucking awful on it.

Take a shower. A cold one.

WGMG: People always seem to be better off without me.

Fuck, that's intense mate.
I'm completely different in that regard, I have really boring dreams about standard things like a conversation with someone or eating lunch with mates for example, it's so plain that it's completely realistic though and always has me trying to work out if it actually happened or not.

Not always necessarily true. I used to feel the same before I realize that everyone impacts someones life somehow, and especially with private relationships. I hate my first girlfriend now, but I still realize how important she was to me.

WGMG: Liverpool and Brisbane losing. With this streak I have right now, I'm tempted to pick a team in the Bundasliga and start getting really into that league for the first time in my life. Eeny meeny miney Bayern.

WAGMG: Facebook not letting me comment, like or message anyone. Fucking NZ internet.

Edited by AJohn: 10/11/2012 12:39:27 AM

Now that's just daft,

I think you'd be surprised how much you affect those in your life, even on here you come across as a friendly good natured person...if only you weren't a kiwi!;)

WGMG: Our DJ tonight getting so smashed we had to wait around for an hour after work to wait for him to finish throwing up.

I just wish I could affect people in a positive way.

Don't worry, we're gonna smash the Mariners tomorrow ;)

If you want to affect people positively, you will. But you can't live your life caring what everyone else thinks and trying to impress them - you'll go insane.

What's the point in running yourself into the ground trying to make other people happy if you're miserable?

I don't know how to do things any other way. I'm fine with being miserable, as long as the people I care about are happy.

This is affecting someone in a positive way.

Chin up champion!

WGMG: Leading my team today stats wise then took a prank call. lamenesssss.

Just when i'm working my ass off to get my numbers to where they should be.

WGMG: Sydney FC.

I'm the same way. As long as the people I care about are happy, then I'm happy. Although I learned awhile back that I need to put myself in front of other people sometimes.

WGMG: Almost everything right now.