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Barr is a terrible sports minister.. dont think he is even interested in sport.. the way he spat the dummy after the last a-league license was granted was unprofessional aswell
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Andrew Barr is an idiot ( non football supporter ) full stop.... We need a rectangular stadium. I dont have the inclination or the literate talents to dissect what this imbecile says. Read my avatar Barr
Edited by spathi: 8/5/2010 10:26:24 PM
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schimch
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You can't doubt Barr's commitment to football though here IMO
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schimch
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Also just noticed on the pic, that the second tiers post downsize are at the ends which is good IMO
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ANZ is barely big enough for AFL, and they only use it as a novelty for cricket.
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bypopulardemand
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schimch wrote:You can't doubt Barr's commitment to football though here IMO I disagree... he is an idiot... see here http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/act-shelves-world-cup-support/1659991.aspx?storypage=0
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Mister Football
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Barr understands that with the GWS team coming on board, Canberra has a chance to have a similar deal like Tasmania, with three or four games per annum, and that won't be achieved via the use of Manuka.
So he really has to leave that option open, of a multi-use stadium (which Bruce used to be before Carnell pissed $100 million up the wall just to get a few games of Olympic soccer - all of which were duds.
The other thing he is weighing up is that the WC bid is unlikely to be successful, that means zero Federal funding.
Once you remove the federal funding - what choice is the ACT left with?
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Blackmac79
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Mister Football wrote:Barr understands that with the GWS team coming on board, Canberra has a chance to have a similar deal like Tasmania, with three or four games per annum, and that won't be achieved via the use of Manuka.
So he really has to leave that option open, of a multi-use stadium (which Bruce used to be before Carnell pissed $100 million up the wall just to get a few games of Olympic soccer - all of which were duds.
The other thing he is weighing up is that the WC bid is unlikely to be successful, that means zero Federal funding.
Once you remove the federal funding - what choice is the ACT left with? I'm sorry bout how do you know the bid likely to be unsuccessful? The bookmakers whose job it is to make money off betting on things seem to think that we are in with a better chance that all but the England bid, and that's just for 2018, and then there's 2022 for which we are front runners. How about you STFU, Grow up, and stop being such a 'big man' coming on a football forum and talking about AFL and your "600,000" members. Your sport is so minor in this wide world that if you go anywhere else in the world and ask them about it they wouldn't know what it is. For fucks sake some people on the NSW north coast and people don't know shit about it. Grow up On the note of the stadium. The Brumbies deserve an upgraded stadium and i think even if it is just the 5k extra after the world cup then so be it, but people are talking about downgrading after the world cup, its 12 years away! who knows if we will need to down grade the stadiums? I can talk from personal experience with EAS in Newcastle that they will upgrade to 33k and then when we get the world cup it will be upgraded to 45 with temporary seating. I would like to see them just pump it up to 45k permanently and it will be used as Newcastle grows and the sports that use it grow. its 12 years people, think of how far we have come in 5, i think that in another 12 we will need bigger stadiums Edited by Blackmac79: 9/5/2010 09:18:10 AM
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Joffa
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Just for the record this 600,000 members claim by Mister football is a myth...in the AFL you can sign your pet up as a member for a nominal fee, you can also buy 2 and 3 game memberships...for example you can buy a membership in Tasmania to go and see the 2 or 3 or 4 games Hawthorn play there each season.
And why do Hawthorn play in Tassie? Because they desperately need the cash...why do AFL clubs sell home games if they are so successful?
As per usual, what Mister Football states as fact, doesn't quite bear up to closer scrutiny....
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Blackmac79
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Yeh i knew about Hawthorn.
and just flicking through yesterday and i saw a game at etihad.
I believe it was the bombers vs Port.
anyway looked emptier than most victory games did.
scared off maybe?
(EDIT: Just went to look up the crowd yesterday.... surprise, surprise... its not released! well done AFL hide the low ones)
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Joffa
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I did the same thing...the AFL website does not have crowds listed, nor do the AGE or the Herald Sun
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Blackmac79
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yep. the stadium, from the look of the tv broadcast would have been less than half full.
but no media picks up on this and slams it into the ground.
bias pricks
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Mister Football
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Joffa and BlackMac
There are many things to choose from if you want to criticise the AFL.
But to choose memberships and attendances, I mean, honestly...
Joffa describes the 600,000 memberships claim as a myth, and then goes on to describe how they got there, i.e. obviously the number itself is not a myth!!
With average attendances, they are around the 40,000 mark this year, higher than the EPL.
As I said, if you want to criticise something, steer clear of memberships and attendances - they are amongst the very, very best in the world.
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Joffa
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Swing and a miss there Mr Football
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schimch
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Alf only gets better crowds than epl because the epl stadiums aren't big enough for demand
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Mister Football wrote:Joffa and BlackMac
There are many things to choose from if you want to criticise the AFL.
But to choose memberships and attendances, I mean, honestly...
Joffa describes the 600,000 memberships claim as a myth, and then goes on to describe how they got there, i.e. obviously the number itself is not a myth!!
With average attendances, they are around the 40,000 mark this year, higher than the EPL.
As I said, if you want to criticise something, steer clear of memberships and attendances - they are amongst the very, very best in the world. Don't feed the troll
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Joffa wrote:Just for the record this 600,000 members claim by Mister football is a myth...in the AFL you can sign your pet up as a member for a nominal fee, you can also buy 2 and 3 game memberships...for example you can buy a membership in Tasmania to go and see the 2 or 3 or 4 games Hawthorn play there each season.
And why do Hawthorn play in Tassie? Because they desperately need the cash...why do AFL clubs sell home games if they are so successful?
As per usual, what Mister Football states as fact, doesn't quite bear up to closer scrutiny.... What are you saying? you can get memberships for Perth Glory where they don't even Include game day tickets at all.
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spado wrote:Benjamin wrote:Tommycash wrote:IS there enough people in Canberra to warrant this? Shhhhhhh. Questions like that invalidate about 70% of our bid! There is only 1.5 million in Qatar. They will have 40,000 seater stadiums in towns with less than 40,000 people! Wow. Why bid?
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Tommycash
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Joffa wrote:Swing and a miss there Mr Football Ummmmmm, Wait what? Don't be an idiot Joffa the man is 100% correct. The game with Hawthorn probably still had a ton of people compared to most A-league games. Theres a difference between being an AFL fantatic and a realist. You cannot argue that the AFL has one of the best average attendance figures in the world. Live with it you idiot. The A-league is awesome and Football is a great sport but so is AFL. Just because it has no International appeal it doesn't mean anything. The NFL is huge and is only in the USA. Nobody is dumb enough here to argue it's dominance of the US sport scene. Let's not Be close minded people because it's the very thing you all convict AFL people of being.
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Tommycash wrote:Joffa wrote:Swing and a miss there Mr Football Ummmmmm, Wait what? Don't be an idiot Joffa the man is 100% correct. The game with Hawthorn probably still had a ton of people compared to most A-league games. Theres a difference between being an AFL fantatic and a realist. You cannot argue that the AFL has one of the best average attendance figures in the world. Live with it you idiot. The A-league is awesome and Football is a great sport but so is AFL. Just because it has no International appeal it doesn't mean anything. The NFL is huge and is only in the USA. Nobody is dumb enough here to argue it's dominance of the US sport scene. Let's not Be close minded people because it's the very thing you all convict AFL people of being. Well said! Alot of football fans follow several codes whether AFL, League, Union or even Cricket so I suggest moving on from this BS arguement. Obviously some people have to much time on there hands.
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Joffa
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Tommycash wrote:Joffa wrote:Swing and a miss there Mr Football Ummmmmm, Wait what? Don't be an idiot Joffa the man is 100% correct. The game with Hawthorn probably still had a ton of people compared to most A-league games. Theres a difference between being an AFL fantatic and a realist. You cannot argue that the AFL has one of the best average attendance figures in the world. Live with it you idiot. The A-league is awesome and Football is a great sport but so is AFL. Just because it has no International appeal it doesn't mean anything. The NFL is huge and is only in the USA. Nobody is dumb enough here to argue it's dominance of the US sport scene. Let's not Be close minded people because it's the very thing you all convict AFL people of being. Thanks for the insults, I would be interested for you to show where i commented on the AFL's attendances in a positive or negative way in this thread? I believe my only comment in that regard is that the attendance figures were not listed on the AFL, Herald Sun or Age websites. I think if you're looking to call people idiots you might need to look a bit closer to home. And as for my comments about the AFL membership figures...please indicate where exactly, I said something that was incorrect.
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Mister Football wrote:
With average attendances, they are around the 40,000 mark this year, higher than the EPL.
Every EPL team has its own stadium not some artificial central stadium... how many AFL teams have a waiting list?
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Come back Mister Fumbleball, we miss you...
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Gooner4life_8 wrote:i would prefer it to look more like this  i love Seattle's stadium. \:d/ what's the stadium that Benjamin posted?
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AFL attendances are bloated rather largely by the fact that Melbourne based teams are generally fixtured to play each other twice. The MCG is big enough to fit both sets of fans in it, Let's not also forget that the price of AFL tickets are possibly the lowest in the developed world of any football competition - and this for the world's #1 Australian Rules competition.
Just imagine what sort of attendances the EPL would get if it used AFL's formula - every single London Derby played at Wembley, every single clash with Liverpool/Manchester United played at Wembley against London teams, borh Liverpool/Man U games played at Old Trafford etc etc. Throw in $21 general admission tickets and I would daresay that attendances in the EPL would be 10 times that of the AFL, if stadia allowed it. Yes the AFL has good attendance figures on paper - but when you look at all of the factors, it isn't that great at all.
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Road_to_Victory wrote:AFL attendances are bloated rather largely by the fact that Melbourne based teams are generally fixtured to play each other twice. The MCG is big enough to fit both sets of fans in it, Let's not also forget that the price of AFL tickets are possibly the lowest in the developed world of any football competition - and this for the world's #1 Australian Rules competition.
Just imagine what sort of attendances the EPL would get if it used AFL's formula - every single London Derby played at Wembley, every single clash with Liverpool/Manchester United played at Wembley against London teams, borh Liverpool/Man U games played at Old Trafford etc etc. Throw in $21 general admission tickets and I would daresay that attendances in the EPL would be 10 times that of the AFL, if stadia allowed it. Yes the AFL has good attendance figures on paper - but when you look at all of the factors, it isn't that great at all. Definately... i was shocked at the prices for AFL games when i heard it recently... also the point on stadiums is quite important... look at craven cottage... of course i doubt mr fumbleball will be back to this thread...
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Road_to_Victory wrote:AFL attendances are bloated rather largely by the fact that Melbourne based teams are generally fixtured to play each other twice. The MCG is big enough to fit both sets of fans in it, Let's not also forget that the price of AFL tickets are possibly the lowest in the developed world of any football competition - and this for the world's #1 Australian Rules competition.
Just imagine what sort of attendances the EPL would get if it used AFL's formula - every single London Derby played at Wembley, every single clash with Liverpool/Manchester United played at Wembley against London teams, borh Liverpool/Man U games played at Old Trafford etc etc. Throw in $21 general admission tickets and I would daresay that attendances in the EPL would be 10 times that of the AFL, if stadia allowed it. Yes the AFL has good attendance figures on paper - but when you look at all of the factors, it isn't that great at all. I think the A-league prices for General admission is about the same for AFL if you get shitty seats at the AFL. I don't get it though? Okay so there ticket prices are way cheaper. That just shows how financially efficient they are, Your merely pointing out again that games sustainability as opposed to the english game where all the clubs are in debt up to their ears and are constantly in danger of being swallowed by receivers. The fact the AFL can afford to sell it's tickets on the cheap is in no way a bad thing for them. I'm only pushing the AFL so hard because HOW CAN YOU EXPECT THEM TO RESPECT US IF WE GIVE THEM NO RESPECT? Accept the fact that it is Australias number one game for attendances, it's undeniable. We should use them as templates to work out how we can make the A-league better rather then letting a severe case of tall poppy syndrome get in the way of good, sound judgment. I hate to say it but I guess it's just the Australian way.
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Benjo wrote:what's the stadium that Benjamin posted? It's the Zentralstadion in Leipzig. A particularly apt venue to mention on an Australian World Cup thread as it was built specifically for the world cup, with no realistic expectation of being used to capacity after the finals. It's current occupants are a couple of lower division sides who rarely get more than 2 or 3k to games. Here's another shot of it...  Edited by Benjamin: 10/5/2010 01:03:20 AM
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StadiArena wants Canberra as 'flagship' indoor-outdoor venue for new Civic stadiumA multi-purpose stadium consortium is keen to make Canberra its "flagship site" for an indoor-outdoor venue, adamant the versatile model can generate enough revenue in the first 10 years to cover its costs. StadiArena Australia licensee Richie Williams is keen to work with the ACT government to build a state of the art 30,000-seat stadium in Civic which can be sectioned off as a smaller 7000-seat indoor arena.  An artists impression of an indoor-outdoor stadium in Civic. Photo: SuppliedThe government is still weighing up options to reinvigorate the capital's stadium landscape after Chief Minister Andrew Barr said it could scrap plans for a $350 million venue in the city. The government is pushing ahead with negotiations on a naming-rights sponsorship deal for Canberra Stadium despite ongoing uncertainty surrounding the ageing venue's future. The government is keen to buy the Canberra Stadium site at Bruce to either redevelop the rectangular ground or bulldozing it and selling the land to a developer to fund a Civic overhaul. The Australian Sports Commission's asset review and national sports plan could be delayed until the halfway through 2018, putting Canberra Stadium in a holding pattern. GIO Insurance's naming-rights partnership with the government ends this year, but the organisation has an option to extend the deal.  StadiArena designs for a new stadium in Canberra. Photo: Supplied Mr Barr used a Legislative Assembly inquiry into a new convention centre proposal to flag the prospect of building a small indoor arena on the site of the Civic Pool instead of a new stadium. He also said the government was willing to investigate an indoor-outdoor stadium to meet requirements for a range of events. StadiArena says an indoor-outdoor arena could generate revenue within three to five years because if its ability to transform from a rectangular stadium into an indoor sport, concert and exhibition area. "It would be massive for Canberra. We see an opportunity to make Canberra that flagship site and the first in Australia for a lifestyle precinct," Mr Williams said. "The costs of building a stadium are rather exorbitant for the number of times it is used. But if you put the arena in it as well, you can generate revenue to cover the cost. "If there is an arena as well, you can have conferences, expos, concerts, indoor sports as well as outdoor events for the [ACT] Brumbies, Canberra Raiders and A-League soccer. "We've got models where you can pay off a stadium within six or seven years. It depends on location, but Canberra is an ideal spot for us. "The real benefit is driving an economic hub around the stadium-arena, building an internal economy in the CBD." StadiArena recently build a indoor-outdoor stadium in India and has interest from Asia and Scotland. The company says its design can be transferred from a stadium to an arena in six minutes. Relocating the Civic Pool, the orientation of a rectangular stadium and the type of grass used for a playing surface are still the major stumbling blocks for a venue in the city. "Over the course of the public debate on the stadium issue, there have been proposals put forward that combine a stadium and arena but sealing off one end and creating a 7500-seat facility indoors," Mr Barr said. "It would still allow you to have an outdoor playing field. There are models in the United Kingdom that operate in that way." The ANU is building a pool, which could open the door for a partnership with the government. But the government is keen to build a rectangular stadium with a roof as an east-west orientation while the Brumbies and Raiders have a preference for the field to run north-south, which would require major reconstruction of Parkes Way.  The Brumbies and Raiders still play at Canberra Stadium. Photo: Sitthixay Ditthavong The government has agreed to pay $350,000 per year to rent Canberra Stadium until the end of 2024. However, that arrangement could change if the ACT can strike a deal with the sports commission, a federal government agency, to buy the stadium. The federal government owns the Canberra Stadium land and would also need to agree to a deal. "[Canberra Stadium] is well past its time," Mr Williams said. "It doesn't service the core population of Canberra at its current location. Having it in Civic would create an accelerator effect. "It's got potential for an enormous return on investment. Canberra was my ideal spot to have a red-hot crack at this form of stadium purely because it's the centre of attention of Australia."
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All those forumites gone to the ravages of time...
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