Pim: Why I Axed Trio [FFT Article]


Pim: Why I Axed Trio [FFT Article]

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Verbeek cuts three from World Cup squad
May 25, 2010


Australia coach Pim Verbeek has moved a step closer to naming his final squad for the World Cup by releasing three players from his preliminary squad.

Scott McDonald, Jade North and Nick Carle will not travel with the rest of the 28-man party which boards to plane to Australia's South African training base on Tuesday.

Verbeek made the decision following Monday's narrow 2-1 win against neighbours and fellow finalists New Zealand.

Verbeek has sought permission from Football Federation Australia to allow youngsters James Holland and Tommy Oar and fourth keeper Eugene Galekovic to travel with the team to South Africa but they will not be considered for World Cup selection unless another player is injured.

Australia's final 23-man squad will be on June 1 after a warm-up match against Denmark, the first of two friendlies in South Africa prior to their first World Cup group game against Germany in Durban on June 13.

The axing of McDonald has come as a major surprise, with the squad now containing just three front line strikers in Josh Kennedy, Harry Kewell and the little known Nikita Rukavytsya - who has just two caps - although Brett Holman - who scored the winning goal against New Zealand - can also play as a striker if needs be.

And with Kewell (groin) and Kennedy (back soreness) currently injured, the axing of McDonald leaves Verbeek with few options if that key pair do not recover in time to face Germany.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/790034/ce/uk/?cc=3436&ver=global

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Joffa wrote:
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And with Kewell (groin) and Kennedy (back soreness) currently injured, the axing of McDonald leaves Verbeek with few options if that key pair do not recover in time to face Germany.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/790034/ce/uk/?cc=3436&ver=global


The beauty of a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 is that it can be easily re-configured as a 4-6-0.
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resign now you joke of a coach....
you didnt even give nicky carle a go and you axed him...
i cant wait till you leave...
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stefcep wrote:
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And with Kewell (groin) and Kennedy (back soreness) currently injured, the axing of McDonald leaves Verbeek with few options if that key pair do not recover in time to face Germany.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/790034/ce/uk/?cc=3436&ver=global


The beauty of a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 is that it can be easily re-configured as a 4-6-0.

Why not just play 10-0-0 then? #-o
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afromanGT wrote:
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And with Kewell (groin) and Kennedy (back soreness) currently injured, the axing of McDonald leaves Verbeek with few options if that key pair do not recover in time to face Germany.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/790034/ce/uk/?cc=3436&ver=global


The beauty of a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 is that it can be easily re-configured as a 4-6-0.

Why not just play 10-0-0 then? #-o



Don't worry, we will.
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Fuck you Pim...i cant wait till you are not Aussie coach anymore...we play boring, boring football...absolutely boring as shit football....
Scott McDonald is a world class striker..you dont score as many goals as he did for CELTIC not being world class...Man Utd was keen to sign him at one stage....
Australia will not win a game at the World Cup...and i seriously mean that..
Shit man when you cant score good, well set up goals against these asian teams and New Zealand, we will have fuck all chance against Germany,Serbia, and Ghana...
Yeah i love Australia and our players but everyone needs to wake up and smell the beans...its going to take a miracle to get out of this group..and our miracle man was Guus Hiddink, not a fucking bald as fuck ass-clown Pim "i like to suck Bret Holman off every chance i get" Verbeek...
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Would have been better to start Ruka and give him a full game rather than waste 60min with Macca...wtf were you thinking Pim you dickhead.
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HOORAY for going out of a World Cup without scoring a goal!
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afromanGT wrote:
HOORAY for going out of a World Cup without scoring a goal!

If Trinidad and Tobago can do it, why can't we
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buddha69 wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
HOORAY for going out of a World Cup without scoring a goal!

If Trinidad and Tobago can do it, why can't we

We already have done it once, would be nice not to do it again...
Has any team ever not scored at two world cups? Is it a record we want to have? Cause the way we played last night I think we are well on the way
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afromanGT wrote:
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Ah yes. Vidosic. The guy who has scored the sum total of 8 goals in 4 years.


And McDonald has scored how many as a lone striker?


And how many goals did Kewell score at club level as a lone striker? I'll give you the answer: 0.

Yet people say he should start up front. It's ridiculous. We are criticising Macca for not being able to play the lone striker role - fair enough, we can't just hoof balls to him like we do with Kennedy - but Kewell is the same!! People always bring up the fact he has played up front in his career, but he has NEVER played as a lone striker (as far as I'm aware - I'm open to being proved wrong)

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He can't play as a lone striker, can't hold up the ball and bring in the midfield,


So, so wrong. He can, and he does. 80% of the balls he got last night he held up, let the midfield run on, and laid it back to somebody. He uses his body and holds it up better than JK does!!

Macca is exactly the kind of player you can bring on when chasing the game when down (as we almost certainly will be in at least one of our games at the WC) and switch to a 442.

Anyhow, it's all a lost cause. Either you can see that Macca would have contributed a lot in SA, or you can't, but either way, he's not going.

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In our particular system and with the players around him he hasnt found his feet in the Australian team, but you're a fucking idiot if you would drop a player of the quality mcdonald is, his stats, his goals and merely his time with Celtic speaks for itself enough, the man has impressed in the champions league which i honestly believe is above the standard of some of the World cup. So saying he isnt up the world cup standard is stupid.
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Joffa - He obviously played him and gave him one last chance to score. If Macca had a shocking game but scored a goal he wouldn't have been cut. If he got 4 assists last night and had a blinder but didn't score, he wouldn't have gone.

His intelligence, awareness and vision is second to very very few in our National team. We will miss him in SA thats for sure.

I just hope we make the next WC under a different coach who can see the quality he possesses so Macca doesn't miss out playing in a WC
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imnofreak wrote:
Joffa - He obviously played him and gave him one last chance to score. If Macca had a shocking game but scored a goal he wouldn't have been cut. If he got 4 assists last night and had a blinder but didn't score, he wouldn't have gone.

His intelligence, awareness and vision is second to very very few in our National team. We will miss him in SA thats for sure.

I just hope we make the next WC under a different coach who can see the quality he possesses so Macca doesn't miss out playing in a WC



I hear you mate. Frankly I don't understand the logic of Pim's reasoning though...if he didn't fit within the system, then he didn't fit within the system before the game just as much as he didn't fit within the system after it.

And quite frankly if Pim made his decision of Macca after 60 minutes then he is a bigger dickhead and one dimensional coach than we all give him credit. I don't know about you but i actually thought Scotty had a fair crack last night , he certainly worked harder than Kennedy does. And he is the only striker we have playing in a decent league. And apart from all that he provides a decent experienced striking option.
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FourTwoThreeOne wrote:
buddha69 wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
HOORAY for going out of a World Cup without scoring a goal!

If Trinidad and Tobago can do it, why can't we

We already have done it once, would be nice not to do it again...
Has any team ever not scored at two world cups? Is it a record we want to have? Cause the way we played last night I think we are well on the way

We technically scored in 74 8-[

We'd probably be the first team to go out of 2 WC's without scoring a goal off our own bat though.
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Joffa wrote:
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Joffa - He obviously played him and gave him one last chance to score. If Macca had a shocking game but scored a goal he wouldn't have been cut. If he got 4 assists last night and had a blinder but didn't score, he wouldn't have gone.

His intelligence, awareness and vision is second to very very few in our National team. We will miss him in SA thats for sure.

I just hope we make the next WC under a different coach who can see the quality he possesses so Macca doesn't miss out playing in a WC


I don't know about you but i actually thought Scotty had a fair crack last night , he certainly worked harder than Kennedy does. And he is the only striker we have playing in a decent league. And apart from all that he provides a decent experienced striking option.


I thought he had a good game. Took a while to get going but especially in the second half, every time he got the ball he held it up well and found an option. Made a couple of great runs and was involved in the build up to our first goal.


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imnofreak wrote:
Joffa wrote:
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Joffa - He obviously played him and gave him one last chance to score. If Macca had a shocking game but scored a goal he wouldn't have been cut. If he got 4 assists last night and had a blinder but didn't score, he wouldn't have gone.

His intelligence, awareness and vision is second to very very few in our National team. We will miss him in SA thats for sure.

I just hope we make the next WC under a different coach who can see the quality he possesses so Macca doesn't miss out playing in a WC


I don't know about you but i actually thought Scotty had a fair crack last night , he certainly worked harder than Kennedy does. And he is the only striker we have playing in a decent league. And apart from all that he provides a decent experienced striking option.


I thought he had a good game. Took a while to get going but especially in the second half, every time he got the ball he held it up well and found an option. Made a couple of great runs and was involved in the build up to our first goal.


He was certainly one of the better players on the park. I don't know why Verbeek has dropped him and kept Garcia at this point in time.
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imnofreak wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
Nico wrote:
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Ah yes. Vidosic. The guy who has scored the sum total of 8 goals in 4 years.


And McDonald has scored how many as a lone striker?


And how many goals did Kewell score at club level as a lone striker? I'll give you the answer: 0.

Yet people say he should start up front. It's ridiculous. We are criticising Macca for not being able to play the lone striker role - fair enough, we can't just hoof balls to him like we do with Kennedy - but Kewell is the same!! People always bring up the fact he has played up front in his career, but he has NEVER played as a lone striker (as far as I'm aware - I'm open to being proved wrong)

Pr1mo wrote:
He can't play as a lone striker, can't hold up the ball and bring in the midfield,


So, so wrong. He can, and he does. 80% of the balls he got last night he held up, let the midfield run on, and laid it back to somebody. He uses his body and holds it up better than JK does!!

Macca is exactly the kind of player you can bring on when chasing the game when down (as we almost certainly will be in at least one of our games at the WC) and switch to a 442.

Anyhow, it's all a lost cause. Either you can see that Macca would have contributed a lot in SA, or you can't, but either way, he's not going.


Agree with almost everything said here.
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Cheers Tyson. :)
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Verbeek failed when he had a friendly available and only experimented a tiny bit, and only with some players in the 2nd half. He should have been experimenting with formation. Who knows, maybe if he'd played 4-4-2 he might've found a 4-0 result landing his way.

His record in qualification will mean very little unfortunately. Germany, Serbia and Ghana have ZERO need to assess Australia's line-up options - it's like going into war and advertising your battle plans.
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I want to know how( Verbeek) can justify Moore getting on the plane. His first half display was sadly conformation of a player severly
lacking in everything he made his name doing. "Better to train in europe than play in A-League" is a famous Verbeek quote.Moore has done neither lately. On that display he does not deserve a place in the final 23.


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His record in qualification will mean very little unfortunately. Germany, Serbia and Ghana have ZERO need to assess Australia's line-up options - it's like going into war and advertising your battle plans.

More it's like going to war and sending your troops into battle in their parade formations. We've got no surprises we can spring because Pim as the tactical flexibility of a meat cleaver.
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This website should be renamed 44 Pesimist. Most of you dudes here need a Valium or some other upper, maybe an E or something. You are all f..ked with your asssessment of Australia's chances in the WC. Macdonald was never gunna make it God he was given enough tries by Pim and he failed every time. We will do allright no need to lick the arses of Ghana, Serbia or the krauts!!
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i think he was right to cut mcdonald. he is a good quality striker for club, but he's had more than enough time to score goals for australia. if our style of football doesnt suit him (ie. celtic technical players doing the work and feeding him easier chances than our national team can) than we cant change the entire team to suit him.
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I think VforVictory needs to get off the drugs as he's taking Valium for an upper. Dickhead. If you're going to make drug references sunshine, know your drugs.
Its obvious that the only way we can score is to pump the ball into the box and aim at Jesus/Tommy's head.
If we're chasing a game (and we will be from the first one) we're dead with this formation and Pim's selections.
Let look forward to the next World Cup...
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Its obvious that the only way we can score is to pump the ball into the box and aim at Jesus/Tommy's head.

Who? :lol:
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Macdonald was never gunna make it God he was given enough tries by Pim and he failed every time.

Yeah, and if you don't play a player in the right way they're not going to shine, are they. You play Kewell at Left back and he doesn't play as well, what do you expect?
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if our style of football doesnt suit him

You're right, shit football doesn't suit scotty mac at all.

We're playing like crap, but Pim persists with the same stupid fucking formation and the same stupid fucking tactics taht clearly don't fucking work!!!! :Evil:

It's football for fucking morons.

Scotty Mac has exactly the same kind of players for Australia as he had service at Celtic, but he wasn't played as LONE BLOODY STRIKER the entire fucking time. He needs a second striker next to him to excel. And you wonder why he doesn't score goals, and yet he was arguably out best on ground last night in a display that was embarrassingly bad.

Why does a manager of a freaking NATIONAL SIDE continue to persist with a tactic that clearly isn't getting the best out of the players and that isn't getting the results we expect? If the FFA had any kind of ambition he'd have been sacked two years ago.

Edited by afromanGT: 25/5/2010 10:26:57 PM
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In the end, all I want to know is what Pim's thought process was when he sat down to decide what system he was going to play with Australia. Becase I'd really like to know how he looked at what was available to him (1 tall striker who isn't too capable of scoring by himself, but is good at dropping the ball down to players around him, and 2/3 smaller quicker strikers, who are very good at running on to and poaching the ball dropped down by a taller striker), and decided he was going to play one at a time, no matter what.
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Pim Verbeek is a brilliant coach to gain both World Cup qualification and Asian Cup qualification. Hiddink was everyone's hero for just for getting us to the Cup. Verbeek's qualification record speaks for itself. People have to face it, we don't have the players to compete with the best internationally yet Pim was able to get good results against better teams.

Scot Mac has had plenty of time to prove himself and hasn't been able to succeed within the current playing system. Nick Carle has skill but little penetration or vision and is overrated by his fanboys. There are better players than North in his position. Holman scores and get nothing from anyone.

Australian soccer is very unsophisticated and naive. Face it, Verbeek knows better and has the results to prove it. If we get past the first round he will be a miracle worker.
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Woodbonk wrote:
People have to face it, we don't have the players to compete with the best internationally yet Pim was able to get good results against better teams.


What teams? The might of Uzbekistan? The superstars from Qatar?

The only team we played in Qualification who is arguably 'better' than us is Japan. Even then, we relied on Cahill magic.
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