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Pim says it was a great game and he got what he wanted from it
Omg could have had about 8 goals deadest against us
Moore and Kennedy on the pitch wtf
Cahill neck Kewell forget it what other back up players have been tested on the pitch
We are now entering the big pond and the big fish will be swallowing us up
A team ranked about ten spots above us shows where we sit in the world scheme of things
Good luck boys but if we score more than two goals I will be impressed
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Lets be realistic here guys, Australia is not good enough to make any serious damage in their group. Australia will be lucky to win any point. Our team has some players that play in not so significant leagues in Europe and Asia. We should not get ahead of ourselves and if we fail in South Africa we still had a great success in getting to South Africa.
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even though we lost it was a pleasure to finally see some attacking play from the boys
big concern is that when we do push up were extremely exposed at the back and get torn to bits
chipperfield was quality, he needs to push up more every game
apart from some sloppy defending and a bad mistake by Grella i wasnt to upset with the loss...showed that we can attack...we just gotta put the ball away with all the chances we had.
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Football_Wunderkind wrote:The amount of times the USA slid passes in behind our defence to well timed runs was scary. On another day against better opposition (eg Germany) we could be put to the sword. USA could easily have had 5 goals. Findley missed a sitter from one of those nicely weighted passes, Dempsey forced an excellent save from Schwarzer and the disallowed goal situation can easily be interpreted differently by another linesman. (Could argue for days on that disallowed goal but different interpretations cannot be avoided because it is decided by each individual human)
Having said that, Australia also had a multitude of chances and could/should have scored 3 or 4. Kennedy missed an open goal header, and with greater anticipation early in the 2nd half could have equalized, instead he just blazed over from the angle. Bresciano didn’t need to belt the sh-t out of the ball which went straight at the keeper, he could have taken a touch and passed the ball into the net.
It was great to see some attacking intent this time but I think that we need to find a healthy balance between attack minded and defense minded. We leaned too far towards attack last night and the score line doesn’t truly reflect how much it cost us. (although that might have something to do with the fact we were chasing the result after 3 mins).
It’s a shame we actually can’t be more attacking because Australian Football is in a crucial ‘damned if you do and damned if you don’t’ phase. It seems if we do what the general ‘unwashed’ public want and play attacking football. Then we will probably lose games because our defence looks so vulnerable when we expose it even a little bit. Losing games mean we lose the public because nobody likes a loser.
If we don’t play a more adventurous attack minded game and play Pim’s dour but ultimately successful Plan A but no Plan B style, then the hoards complain and the bandwagon people go back to their AFL and NRL saying ‘soccer is boring’. (What to do now???? I am so torn!! What to do in the future???? Never employ a Pim style coach ever again but employ a coach who can teach great adventurous, imaginative football without compromising the team’s defensive duties.)
A couple of positives from last night’s game. 1. Created plenty of chance’s. 2. Chipperfield was awesome down the left, great defensive work but even better attacking duties. His overall passing was amazing, he has figured out this Jabulani ball.
Ideas to improve our play. 1. Get rid of Craig Moore, Grella and Garcia 2. Don’t pass to Kennedy unless it’s a cross for him to head the ball in. 3. Shoot more from distance; let the crazy ball do the work.
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my assesment of what i watched
1) we get the ball and we pass it around for about half an hour and then sometimes lose it or then just thump it long.
2) they got the ball and were quick and looking to create something rather than waitng for us to mess up
3) which we did. grella has had 3 poor games of late and valeri should start ahead of him (but wont, because pim is dumb)
4) mcdonald shoulda been taken top the world cup and pim has no plan b
5) the arguement that the players are tired is bollocks. guus put them through much harder and tiring drills in 06 and it paid off against japan in the dying moments. they should be getting stronger if the training is so hard.
on a side note, those barking that joel shoulda gone, thats just silly. joel hasnt done anything to deserve a spot ahead of the others and then for that ungrateful little tool to come out and swear his national coach, he dsnt a deserve a spot in my book. he thinks he uruguayan and has a divine right,
Edited by zimbos_05: 6/6/2010 02:20:37 PM
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It was actually a good game to watch in general, but it goes to show when we try to play a attacking game, that we leave alot of space at the back, and man we look exposed!!! but give credit to the USA they look a good side, hopefully this game for us is a wake up call! Big Week coming up! Im goin overseas as well so im excited!!!
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Also i understand why Pim will play defensive football, cos as the way we like to play attacking football, we got owned out there playing attacking football, it was too open! if we play like that against Germany we will get smashed!!!
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apparently cahill was subbed off cos he injured his neck !!! and yes we lacked cohesiveness but it was a freindly ill bet if we won the negatives wouldnt been mentioned
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Krijoz Only an imbecile like you from a pissant town could post such an ignorant, ill informed and un-intellectual post. You reinforce all the stereotypes about a pissant town with your lack of analysis and small town negativity. Yes your avatar says it all -You are right the joke really is on you!!
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the funny thing is. pim said macca didnt suit the formation yet he went 442 in the second half. kewell wont be fit so kennedy n macca would almost be a perfect front two with cahill lurking around. we miss you scotty mac
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macca has had his chances !! hasnt scored so he was left out but heres hoping pim plays ruka off jesus if he plays a fft or kewell with ruka
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Would have liked to have seen Holman come on, assuming he'd show the same energy/intensity that he brought on against Denmark.
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Get over Macca guys, he's not coming back.
Edited by Jets_Fan: 6/6/2010 03:01:46 PM
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Valeri was great but I do wonder would he have finished off strongly had he started... does he have the fitness to finish the whole game or is he better used like kennedy was in 2006.. hopefully our fitness levels are indeed up after these weeks in SA.
so has anyone watched any of germany last friendly games? I know i haven't. did they look to tire near the end? If thats the case, watch for a very defensive socceroos team in the first half and using our fitness to garner a goal if we can in the 2nd with kewell coming on in the 2nd half if everything goes to plan (therefore not chasing a goal after a few mins of play). otherwise im sure we'll be happy with a draw.
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blackcattillidie wrote:the funny thing is. pim said macca didnt suit the formation yet he went 442 in the second half. kewell wont be fit so kennedy n macca would almost be a perfect front two with cahill lurking around. we miss you scotty mac Thing is Verbeek's qualifying plan was draw away, win at home. The 4231 is the right tactic to get the draw away. But he never deviated from it even at home, even when we played meaningless matches to China and Japan. So we have no idea what to do when we have to chase a game. If he had played a plan B formation with two strikers he may have seen the value of Mac. One week outside your first WC match isn't the time to try a new attacking formation when your best second-striker is half the world away.
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Bryan wrote:Valeri was great but I do wonder would he have finished off strongly had he started... does he have the fitness to finish the whole game or is he better used like kennedy was in 2006.. hopefully our fitness levels are indeed up after these weeks in SA. Its why I'd have Jedinak there instead. And Wilky is wasted at right back, should be a straight swap with Culina. Quote: so has anyone watched any of germany last friendly games? I know i haven't. did they look to tire near the end? If thats the case, watch for a very defensive socceroos team in the first half and using our fitness to garner a goal if we can in the 2nd with kewell coming on in the 2nd half if everything goes to plan (therefore not chasing a goal after a few mins of play). otherwise im sure we'll be happy with a draw.
German fitness or lack of won't be a factor. Verbeek's aim will be draw, as it should be.
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skinet wrote:Krijoz Only an imbecile like you from a pissant town could post such an ignorant, ill informed and un-intellectual post. You reinforce all the stereotypes about a pissant town with your lack of analysis and small town negativity. Yes your avatar says it all -You are right the joke really is on you!! Hey dickhead I am not Australian and my observations are from independent point of view and Australia is simply not good enough to make it past a group stage.
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krijoz wrote:Lets be realistic here guys, Australia is not good enough to make any serious damage in their group. Australia will be lucky to win any point. Our team has some players that play in not so significant leagues in Europe and Asia. We should not get ahead of ourselves and if we fail in South Africa we still had a great success in getting to South Africa.
Well said. Not all but most aussies tend to over rate the socceroos. Aussie is the must win game for the others in their group. It will be great for them to get a point and a shock to qualify.
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krijoz wrote: Our team has some players that play in not so significant leagues in Europe and Asia. We should not get ahead of ourselves and if we fail in South Africa we still had a great success in getting to South Africa.
krijoz wrote: I am not Australian
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Besides Grella's glaring mistake. What we witnessed yesterday was Pim's plan B; For the whole Socceroos to push up leaving a truck load of space at the back and try to take our opportunities. However, we seriously need Kewell, Cahill or Chippers to finish these chances off because Josh as good as he can be, he is a impact player not a starter. I am pretty sure we are going to see Aus play the same way we did against the Dutch and Denmark. Sit deep, compact and have them try to break us down. The thing is if they do then we have to chase the game. That is when it can get hairy and Germans can put 3 past us or we can equal. It is a gamble. I think the first 10 minutes can be telling and we need players to be switched on.
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Vaughn2111 wrote:krijoz wrote: Our team has some players that play in not so significant leagues in Europe and Asia. We should not get ahead of ourselves and if we fail in South Africa we still had a great success in getting to South Africa.
krijoz wrote: I am not Australian
Evidently I have been living in Australia for 12 years and have to say we as I love this country and I wish Australia all the best at the World cup in SA and I will certainly be cheering them on, BUT just lets be realistic about our chances in SA. We should not live in denial that this squad it weaker and slower than one we had 4 years ago in Germany
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auskiwi wrote:krijoz wrote:Lets be realistic here guys, Australia is not good enough to make any serious damage in their group. Australia will be lucky to win any point. Our team has some players that play in not so significant leagues in Europe and Asia. We should not get ahead of ourselves and if we fail in South Africa we still had a great success in getting to South Africa.
Well said. Not all but most aussies tend to over rate the socceroos. Aussie is the must win game for the others in their group. It will be great for them to get a point and a shock to qualify. I agree with you view mate as you are another independent observer!!
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Vaughn2111 wrote:[quote=krijoz] Our team has some players that play in not so significant leagues in Europe and Asia. We should not get ahead of ourselves and if we fail in South Africa we still had a great success in getting to South Africa. Have you ever thought about becoming a teacher as you are so good at picking up other mistakes. Perhaps you should work on setting up NAPLAN (National Assessment Program – Literacy and Numeracy) tests across the country
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Didn't deserve to lose 3-1, but we were lucky they didn't score more. And we should've taken the chances that came our way. Grella and Moore are absolutely rubbish.
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I am the first to admit I know little about soccer ( football ) so having got that out of the way I will go on.
Having been to Johannesburg a few years ago, I realise the air there is different to what we have in most places in Australia. Now, I am no scientist but because my daughter is employed by Qantas as an International Flight Attendant I have had many opportunities to talk to some Qantas pilots. When we were there and about to fly home the plane was due to leave about five pm or so. But the atmospheric conditions were not right and he had two choices, unload some of the cargo and if need be some of the passengers or wait a few hours when the air was thinner so that the aircraft could lift off the ground safely.
Now, what that has to do with football I know nought except to say for the locals back in OZ this talk about the flight of the ball may or may not have some perculiar air flight patterns.
Now, someone posted that the boffins in the FFA have as traing at altitude at Johannesburg while our first game is at sea level in Durban against Germany. Now, I have complete faith in our Australian medical and scientific specialists, infact in many fields they lead the world. The FFA have heavilly followed their advise, the team, apart from the South Africans were the first to arrive.
So, where is this all heading. Trying to get some positives out of it I suggest the following may or may not be the plan. In Athletics, especially endurance ones, it has been proved that if you train at altitude and then comee down to sea level your endurance capacity is improved.
So maybe, while Pim has been flogging the guys at altitude, building up their aerobic fitness to a higher level then you could get at sea level he is prepared to take the hiding from Germany, because the benefit will not have kicked in by that game but hopefully be available for the following games.
The problem is, will that be enough for the Craig Moores of the team.
I am looking for a few positives and am not sure that three weeks altitude training in South Africa gives the same benefit as training for three months in the Andes.
Interesting times ahead.
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Hey Krijoz
If your so confident about my teams not yours failings. Here's the deal douche.If Australia takes a point in the WC you agree to drink a bowl of that junkies puke that an Adelaide rat's coffin floats in. Hang on!! that won't work that's your staple diet!!
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skinet wrote:Hey Krijoz
If your so confident about my teams not yours failings. Here's the deal douche.If Australia takes a point in the WC you agree to drink a bowl of that junkies puke that an Adelaide rat's coffin floats in. Hang on!! that won't work that's your staple diet!! How many teams do you have? Almost forgot, have you ever been told that you are quite humorous! By the way [size=6]Adelaide is the best place in the world to live [/size]in Mr. Skinless Edited by krijoz: 6/6/2010 07:36:30 PM
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I think the loss was a blessing. I liked the way we held the ball, just not what we did with it. We held it a shit load more than the US . . and generally this is something we've not been so great at. It's a nice wake up call and probably food for thought in regards to defense and attack for Pim. Things will have to change for us to compete like we need next week. . Moore, Grella, Garcia, Kennedy . . not good enough for mine. That's 4 from 11 . . and we are limited in terms of who can step up. Interesting to see what happens but can't fckn wait for the WC.
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krijoz wrote: By the way [size=6]Adelaide is the best place in the world to live [/size]in Mr. Skinless
ANOTHER 26,300 people moved interstate in the past financial year, as South Australians continue to leave the state in droves.Not a bad place but a stretch to call it the best. :p Edited by Jdz: 6/6/2010 09:33:30 PM
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krijoz wrote:Vaughn2111 wrote:[quote=krijoz] Our team has some players that play in not so significant leagues in Europe and Asia. We should not get ahead of ourselves and if we fail in South Africa we still had a great success in getting to South Africa. Have you ever thought about becoming a teacher as you are so good at picking up other mistakes. Perhaps you should work on setting up NAPLAN (National Assessment Program – Literacy and Numeracy) tests across the country I was hoping to, but they started without me :p
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