Hopefully this will be a (painful, but essential) learning experience for all of us. The FFA needs to know that if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys. I realised that Pim wasnt their first choice, but we need a coach with more confidence in himself and our players. Pim's tactics from the first day indicated a fear of mistakes. Whilst I'm hardly advocating a return to the Farina days of pushing forward to the extent that you are left hoping you score more goals than you let in, a happy medium would be ideal. Unlike Guus who worked with the team at his disposal, Pim selected a squad capable of playing a style he is comfortable with. This may work very well at club level where you can buy and sell players, but at national level you can only work with what you have got. Australia simply dont have the capacity to play counter attacking football.

The good news is that Germany will likely also beat Ghana and Serbia. Serbia are without their first team central defender and even against Ghana never really threatened. I honestly think Germany will destroy Serbia by an even greater margin than the 4 they put past us.

People aren't angry because we lost.

People are angry because Pim didn't give us any chance of taking the game to the Germans. He set us up to fail in a bizarre move to minimise damage, undoing all the good work of the previous campaign and shattering the image of Australians as a determined and athletic team with a never say die attitude.

Pim you stuffed up.

We were always going to lose this match. Let's not kid ourselves. I really hope we can improve. We can still get through this group.

Here's a link showing the boys smiling, which we need to rediscover.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ErEk2720CA

Well he has finally been found out, no one's surprised just try not to further destroy our world cup pim

I found the game very frustrating however this could work in our favour Ghana may underestimate us now. We need to bounce back in a big way. Looking forward to Thursday.

bye bye Pim, thank you Morrocco

Seriously you nailed it, i like the attitude mate. Once or maybe twice have we performed well under thi twit. He got us there, but we never looked convincing. We struggled against sides that we should have outplayed confortably.

Is anyone really that suprised ? Writings been on the wall for some time in my opinion and last night just confirmed my beliefs that Verbeek is a defensive minded and boring manager.We have decent players on the world stage and his tactics show little or no belief in his players....Bring on the asian cup when we'll have a hopefully better manager.

Verbeek you fucking anti-football mother fucker. I just watched the highlights again of the game and it fucking pissed me off even more about how fucking hopeless you are. You must be a very thickheaded cunt for working with Guus and LEARNING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FROM HIM you piece of shit.

BTW guys, Verbeek probably knows this. That why he wont return to australia, hell fly straight to morrocco after the WC and we wont ever hear from him again. All in the while he fucked up our dream.

Edited by seriously: 14/6/2010 05:44:19 PM

Probably should have done the maths first Jabulani.

W D L P
Germany 3 0 0 9
Australia 1 1 1 4
Ghana 1 0 2 3
Serbia 0 1 2 1

So basically if we beat Ghana we will just need a draw against Serbia to go through (assuming neither Serbia or Ghana beat Germany which seems 90% likely given how good the germans are playing). Must-win game from every angle against Ghana!

Having watched the replay of the Ghana Vs Serbia match we're not out of it yet. Germany will outclass both as they did us, we just need to come up with the goods in the next two games.

I can't blame the players. Verbeek has totally lost it and his "plan" is the key reason why we lost. We had 3 players playing out of their usual possitions. And Putting Cahill up by himeself totaly killed his contribution, leaving him frustrated which could have contributed too him making that tackle.

I am very happy that we won't have this coach after the World Cup.

what the hell was he thinking bringing on rukavytsa? he's barely played for the team EVER. kewell and bresicano MUST start the next game.... kewell bresciano and emerton 4-3-3

I think you guys are being a touch harsh on Neill, he was trying to hold the back line together when we were being swamped and Moore and Chipperfield were woefully out of their depth...and Grella was doing bugger all to help as well...I'm not saying he was great but...

Sorry but we cant win without Cahill and Kewell and even if Kewell does play he is not match fit.

Alright Emmo is playing well

Bresciano - out from and injured a bit

Kewell - hasnt played a full match all season

Kennedy - is a dud J-league is a dud league

Cahill - suspended

McDonald - isnt there...

Garcia - works hard but is not spectacular

Culina - has improved due to training in Holland no where near as good as he was in 06

Moore - is just shit house honestly

Neill - Lacks pace not a bad defender but when you partner allows defenders to run around him what can Neill do?

Whilkshire - is doing well but 1 quick defender with 3 slow ones doesnt work u need 3 quick and 1 experience to organise

Velrie - is alright but nothing special SerieB isnt world cup quality

Grella - shit house i dont know whats happened to him but he terrable as of late

Vidosic - alright but inexperienced probably the only decent player the A-league has produce to this day (i dont count keepers)

Schwarzer - cant save everything when the defence in front of him is calling off-sides that are clearly on side.

Chippers - Makes good runs but is way to slow swiss league is going to cut it in the WC

Ruka - not good enough, cant even get a club....

Jedi - not good enough, Turkish super league is average

this is the WC guys what did you expect we have no quality players like we did 4 years ago.

People forgot how good Kewell was at Leeds and Liverpool he has go worst with age.

How skillful breciano was in his day y do u think palermo didnt resign him he is past it?

we had Dukes who was the best striker aus ever had

Aloisi, Vidmar, Popvoic, sterjovski (when he was good), etc and they were sitting our bench!

our team was good good that Cahill was on the bench(fe Cahill was still up and coming) but the fact we are playing Garcia(who didnt play to badly) should shows how desperate we are.

This was the wake up call we all needed.

2nd rate players in 2nd rate divisions may cut it in Asia where everyone is pretty average bar a few decent sides. But in europe we would be a no body moron who were saying European teams dont deserve there spots have no idea i hate to admite it but South Korea are the only Asian team who will progress and they wont make it any further then the last 16.



Edited by Davstar: 14/6/2010 03:43:25 PM

Edited by Davstar: 14/6/2010 03:44:19 PM

Pim, if your reading this. It is sucide to play offside trap against speedy good quality strikers, and with no pressure on the ball. We need to pressure high up in the park, and not let them turn and run at you.

That display was a disgrace, we learnt nothing from the USA game.

Down but should be out!!!

So who here still doubt craig fosters comments?

I think Pim should have selected players in the squad that have been playing regularly instead of ones that may have produced before but have not done so recently i.e. Grella, Garcia, Moore (all limited game time this year) vs Oar, McDonald and Ogenovski.
I just can't fathom what he was thinking this morning. I can only imagine that he is a genius and that he is only leading Ghana and Serbia into a false sense of security before anihilating them both 5-0.

LETS NOT RELY ON OTHER RESULTS... LETS GO OUT AND ATTACK!

On the bright side - Verbeek and Arnold are gone in two games time. Hopefully the FFA employs a head coach who doesn't need training wheels this time.

db sweeney, well it doesn't look like its possible to appeal. But the FIFA disciplinary committee can over rule the mexican's decision if they deem he has made a mistake when they review all the cards - which in my completely unbiased opinion he has..

there was no dangerous or maliciousness to timmy's tackle. pretty good story on the guardians website explains the process:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/13/tim-cahill-australia-germany-durban

I know its pretty much impossible, but we can dream can't we?!

(just hope they don't see it the opposite way and slap him with a 2 match ban... gulp...)

"I know the players are capable of so much more, and I think they would have done much more if we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot with Pim's plans."

I agree ... and the pity is we've left ourselves in a position where we will find it very difficult to dust ourselves off and go forward with it. Our terrible GD and Cahill's red has seen to that.

I can see the broad Australian public's interest in "soccer" colapsing in a heap now. Everyone will be off the bandwagon. A great pity ...

Absolutely horrible tactics today. In attack we had no cohesion, we got no combination play in the attacking third and our off the ball running was none existent. All we did was lump it into the box where an out of position Timmy would go one against the who back line. In defence we persisted with the high line and off side trap even when we were continually caught out of position and burned for pace. Against a clinical side like Germany its no different than inviting them in for the kill. While I didn't expect us to win or do well, I know the players are capable of so much more, and I think they would have done much more if we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot with Pim's plans.

Edited by Higashi: 14/6/2010 02:25:10 PM

The team have rarely played well under Pim. Even when we were winning games, the results were unconvincing and lucky. Without the outstanding individual plaudits of Mark Schwarzer we would not have qualified for South Africa in the first place. Pim's knack for getting results while having the team play miserable football has ended.

I doubt it, 'cause otherwise I would have already heard it mentioned ... but anyway, is it possible to appeal the red?

@ tjwhalan I agree with nearly everything except the experiment thing, he did it against the USA, clearly the warning sounds were not loud enough.

nah we must win both games because if we draw one and win one than our goal diference wont be good enough

Actually, if Australia beats Ghana, a draw against Serbia might just be enough provided the Germans beat the Ghanaians and at least draw with Serbia.

But thats in the future. We have to beat Ghana.

Incidentally, Serbia-Ghana was a pretty ordinary game. Obviously we'll have to play a lot better but its not like we have to play Germany twice more.

PIM YOU ARE A JOKE.

FFA PAID PEANUTS AND THEY DIDN'T GET THE BEST MAN FOR THE JOB.

GUUS HAD A FEW MONTHS AND HE DID GREAT IN THE SHORT TIME HE HAD. PIM HAS HAD 3 YEARS AND HE HAS FAILED BADLY.

I KNOW GERMANY IS A VERY GOOD TEAM, BUT TEAM POOR TEAM DEVELOPMENT, SQUAD AND TEAM SELECTION AND MATCH PLANNING WERE VERY EVIDENT TODAY.

I KNOW GERMANY ARE VERY GOOD, BUT OUR TEAM STRUCTURE AND POOR GAME PLAN MADE THEM LOOK BETTER.

i PRAY THAT THE TEAM IMPROVES FOR GHANA AND SERBIA.

GO AUSSIES.