Kalac was talking Under 17 and Under 19 FFS! Kalac said the A-League is good and not the problem. He also said he was blaming the coaches not the players.

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Edited by Joffa: 15/6/2010 09:39:16 PM

You won't see Nth Korea in any press conference full stop :p

I think there is a lack of unity within our squad. Hiddink managed to bring us all together and it seems as though Pim's efforts have disjointed us to an extent.

He's right about the latter bit. But the former, it's nobody's place to make a coach justify their tactics.

He was never a good coach, I've been saying this for years. And though Fozz is saying this for his own agenda, it's about time someone more public made the point too that he's a terrible coach and shouldn't be anywhere near our team.

They were simply stating the obvious. All Neill said was taht we were up against it and always will be playing a team that's won the competition three times.

It's all well and good to pay out on the lads for the result. But honestly, how many of you out there genuinely thought we'd beat the Germans? They're just THAT good. And better teams than australia have lost by a bigger margin to the Germans. They played excellent football and it was to be expected that we'd get our arses handed to us. Especially with old, slow defenders like Moore and Chipperfield having to combat pacey youngsters like Podolski and Muller. It could have been far worse.

Anyone know where I can watch this video??

Produced. Do you not understand what this word means?

Tommy Oar: Palm Beach Sharks product.
Dario Vidosic: Queensland Lions product.
Mile Jedinak: Sydney United product.

etc.

jmars, how many EPL clubs PRODUCED english players?

Just about every player comes up from a lower tier. But these players are developing in the A-League is the crux of anth's presentation.

Yeah, but they actually have junior academies whether anyone actually makes it from there.

And the answer is West Ham.
Jog on.

Oh and EDIT: Syd U was in the top level of Australian football when Jedinak was a junior.



Edited by jmars: 15/6/2010 09:34:41 PM

Verbeek has just gotten smashed in the news...
I seriously hope he hasnt had the time to get the cable up yet :lol:

It is a mute point trying to say a player was playing in the NSL or A-League, as the National Competitions, of different eras it was still the clubs with junior infrastructure and the relevant State Junior Coaches, State Institute Coaches, AIS Coaches and elite development pathways that determined the quality players produced.

Some have liked to point the finger at Ange Postecoglou as at fault, but in the junior development process he was the end of the line. Before they got to him they where at the AIS coached by Steve O'Connor, or in my State's case at the VIS coached by Merrick or Greener. Before they got there they where coached by the relevant State Coaches. Before that the Junior Coaches at junior Clubs.

Through the 1970's, 1980's and early 1990's for some reason we (Australia) started to develop local talent that turned the tide against 1imported players.[In the 1970's teams where made up solely of British players from the lowest divisions in the UK]We started producing players better than what we could import.

We have shown that we can produce quality players of the highest calibre, we just cannot do it quantitavely and consistently. More so in the late 1990's through to now. Something is broken, something is not working. Bringing in the Dutch Coaches has changed the dynamics with Han Berger at National Director, Jan Versleijen at the AIS and I beleive Qld has a Dutch Director of Coaching. Also the coaching certification brought in by our joining the AFC has meant better coaching certification and content. The appointment of Alfred Galustian as consultant to the FFA in developing a National skills curriculum and training the Skill Acquisition coaches (of which there is only one in Victoria) is a major breakthrough. But I think we (grassroots) need more.

I personally beleive we need more coaches of the calibre of Berger and Versleijen accesable to the grassroots. Rather than spend $6MIl on a national coach I wish theyd spend only a third and spend the other two thirds on better coaches at the NTC levels, skill Acquisition coaches and state directors of coaching. Ones accessable to grassroot volunteer coaches, with mentoring and demonstrative sessions.
The FFA will soon be starting their junior clinics that are free for selected talented junior players in every state. This cannot happen soon enough.

One thing is for sure we need more support at grassroots level, and we have to be patient this will not happen overnight.

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So one club...that's been around for 115 years is the only one to have produced players for England from the ground up.

In australia you've got to remember that the A-League hasn't really been around long enough to develop these players at the A-League clubs alone. These kids have to have been playing for other clubs previously. By the next world cup we should start to see these players who have been produced by A-League clubs coming up. But the thing is, we have a great grass roots development system in place, finding the best talent from state league football and bringing it to the national level and that's by no means relevant to the problem at hand of a moronic coach.

Linking your interpretation of 'produced' back to the initial quote by Rips Chafferty... how are the A-League franchises supposed to have developed players through academies in 5 years?

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My problem with Foster's rant is taht he says that when the team sheet came out, we should have been asking questions as to what the hell he was doing with the selections. And then goes on to say "there's nothing wrong with the players."

Pick an argument and stick to it mate. Yeah, you're right, Pim is shitting on the shirt. But your argument is all wrong and about as organized as australia's defence.

I think he is saying that the players were out of position. The selection of the positions, not the players themselves

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Well yeah, players were out of position. But that's irrelevant when the biggest problem was that we didn't have an organised defence and weren't willing to move the ball forward of the halfway line anyway.

You mean where I said this?



Maybe you can answer the question as to why the A-League franchises aren't concerned with youth development?

Which coach in the world on $6MIL would accept a panel of ex National Team Captains telling him what he can and cannot do?

jmars, your contention is irrelevant. The A-League franchises are concerned with development. But there's only been a national youth competition for three years. You need to give it [size=9]TIME.[/size]

Which coach in the world on $6MIL is in the same position of getting annihilated by Germany, playing shit football, has been for three years and still inexplicably hasn't been sacked?

Exactly.

FFS. I'm not saying what you think I'm saying. The other poster brings up a salient point. I'm expanding upon it, because it's worth saying. But, I'm not saying what you think I am.
Please. Stop. Actually read what I wrote and answer this question.

Are there any A-League franchises with a junior academies?
If not, what plans are there to develop academies?

Then consider that it's cheaper to pay $3000 dollars to a club, one that is forced to accept that amount through the administration of the game, than it is to spend tens of thousands of dollars finding young potentials, training them and developing them into senior footballers.

By there very nature NYL do not produce players.

When a player arrives at 17 he has two years in the NYL, when he arrives at 18 he has one year. They are only playing against players of similar physical and technical abilities. The exceptional ones would be in the senior squads any way. By the time they are 19yo they have to leave and make way for the new players. Physiologically and mentally most are generally not ready for Senior Football (If anyone was at the FFA Coaching conference refer to Dr. Raymond Verheijen).

It (NYL) will not develop players.

To develop players the A-League needs an open reserve league or spice things up and put a reserves team in the State Leagues. The match intensity will be high enough to develop players.

Nice one:lol: but it still doesn't alter the issue Foster is asking for a process that oversee's the coach. A coach who commands $6Mil would not accept that and we end up with a second, third, or fourth choice again except we pay more.

But are there any plans in the piepline to do this?

Gee... Two contentions for two different arguments. The first comment (above) is in response to anth's comments, the second is in response to Joffa's comment... not related.

1. Anth has gave his response based on one interpretation of the word 'produced' (OMG, words can have more than one meaning) ie. that the A-League clubs once had players that have since started/featured for the Socceroos (in opposition to Rips Chafferty's point that they hadn't). You've lambasted him based on another interpretation of the word.

2. Your second quote was in response to Joffa, whose contention was completely different to anth's.

Reconcile points 1 and 2 and you can see why I asked what I did ie. how are the a-league franchises supposed to have had academies and developing kids within their respective businesses' early years (when they aren't even turning a profit).

It has to be a step-by-step transition from grass-roots to academy football. And it's a work in process. The thing is, you don't want to make the sudden change and have extremely talented kids slip through the cracks.

Right now, we've got a system that should be filtering out the best of the youngsters in the state leagues and capitalising on this, bringing them to national level.

The clubs should be working closely with Ajax in an effort to emulate their structures. But that's not to say we should be giving up on Grass Roots development.

But of course, you need to remember that Verbeek was our third choice to begin with after we were snubbed by both Klinsmann and Advocaat.

You're right, you can't have a board selecting the teams, you're right. This isn't early 20th century football. Pim shouldn't have to justify his decisions to anyone. It's very simple, if he doesn't get the results, sack him. That's all there is to it. And for three years now he hasn't been getting adequate results and I can't understand why he's still here.