Gutted really. Again. Wish I'd been born somewhere else. :)

Like many,I think it's worth considering what use a manager is sometimes. Capello and Verbeek both ran seamless qualification campaigns then both seemed to lose faith in their teams. Both ignored young talent and proven scorers - even ignored their own systems - when it came to the big stuff. Maybe it's better to have a manager who's a mascot (Maradona) who just makes everyone feel good and lets the players express themselves?

Just how an England squad with that much talent can - yet again - play so badly is tyhe real question. Rooney who?

Edited by jessesdad: 28/6/2010 09:28:34 AM

There is an old adage that says you can only play as well as your opposition lets you. Germany let England play for about 10 minutes before half time. The rest of the time they gave them a football lesson. It was beautiful to watch.

Ich bin so glücklich wie ein Kind essen strudel.

I think the poms demise just proves most of their squad are great "club" players mixed with top "euro" imports in the EPL....
Regardless of Lampard's goal first half they were never in it.
Germans showed they may have a "golden generation" in the making ? imo, swift pass's speed youth best ingrediant for any team and hate to say it great to watch !
How they carved us and the poms up is Football.

Edited by M.L.: 28/6/2010 10:04:34 AM

I am AUCH as happy as a kid eating strudel!!! :lol:

For anyone who loves watching English fans tear their hair out, the comments at this Guardian link are gold:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/jun/27/england-germany-world-cup-2010

Mind you, the five problems identified by the writer are very much the same as Australia's problems facing Germany, except for that "False sense of superiority". The difference is that Capello had time to study Australia's game, so he shouldn't have been so surprised.

A lot of anger at Murdoch in those comments, I notice.

With the progression of Ghana and Germany to the quarters it kind of confirms the strength of our group, but gives me the shits when thinking of what might have been if things were a little different. Argentina and Germany should be a cracker, anything less than 3-2 either way would be a surprise.

haha good point damo.

did you hear when fozzie said after the game that it wasn't capello's fault... "he couldn't get the players to change the way they played"

so australias loss was all verbeek, but englands fault was all the players.

Fozzie is a twat

Didn't deserve to lose 4-1. Even so, it was a shocking performance. Despite dominating the first 20 minutes of the second half, it was two breakaways which cost them.

it would've been interesting to see what would've happened if Lampards goal had been counted...would've been very interesting indeed.

Bollocks - watching a different game :? Lampards goal or not Terry and that backline wouldn't have saved them anyway.

My junior coach used to say for 90% of the game you, as an individual player, will not have the ball. Its the game you play without the ball that matters. The movement and positioning of the German players off the ball was as perfect as I've seen. Its what creates the passing lanes for the player with the ball and allows them to cut through the defence. Just Brilliant.

THIS.

they way they move on counter attack is awesome. Like each other player knows what the other is doing.
Muller had one of the best games of the tourney.

I don't dispute it but can some one tell me when this law changed?

Back in the day when I played (a while ago), this was considered offside.

Ozil and Mueller are getting a lot of plaudits, but Khedira has impressed just as much, if not more. Stuttgart will have a fight on their hands to keep him.

First France, the it was Italy, now the Poms. What next? I reckon Spain.

How is it Verbeek's fault?

At present this young German team will be dominant for many major tournaments yet

They would have ripped apart any formation Pim would put out. Their off the ball movement, pace and technical ability is probably the best we have seen so far at this cup

Argentina would be up there with Germany


Brazil have been kaka and so have Spain

Edited by liverpool: 28/6/2010 12:58:02 PM

exactly.

Gerrard was crying to be played behind rooney and joe cole play on the left, but no, capello does shit all. defoe was crap in both games he played. gerrard kept coming in and that meant we went too narrow.

we made the mistake of not picking adam johnson and theo walcott. joe hart should have been number 1.

the side at the world cup played with no passion, determination or drive. they seemed tired and just there to make up the numbers.

capello should be sacked. hes job was to take us to the last 8 at minimum in the world cup and he failed at that and therefore he should get the boot.

put Roy Hodgson in charge of the squad.

its crap being an england fan. every single competiton they fail you. overpaid to underperform.

its time a paid per performance system was brought in.

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England and Australia have now been knocked out by the German scum. :( FML. Quite frankly i'm tipping Germany will go on t and win it.

the difference was pace and purpose. Germany had plenty and England had next to none. Most easily seen in the final goal which Barry should have got to quite easily.

A very good team going forward are Germany but we were pedestrian and unimaginative yet still scored twice - though only one counted - and hit the woodwork twice which raises questions about their defence.

The first goal was down to dire defending, the second was due to lazy running by Cashley who did not track Muller's run and he should have. The others were beautifully executed break aways - Gerrard just could not catch Muller for the final one despite chasing hard all the way.

The disallowed goal would have made a difference but who is to say another defensive error would not have occurred. Simply we never looked convincing apart from one half against Slovenia and selecting non scoring strikers is no way to win a world cup. We paid the price for not topping the group - which would have happened had we finished Slovenia off in that first half. Enough said.

Germany, specifically Podolski and Klose are doing their best to prove you wrong...

. But they proven goalscorers for their country

I can't wait for the german and argentina game! if the refs can come good (doubt it) it could be the best game of the tournament so far. Germany beating argentina will definitely in my mind put them as odd on favourites. For now I still believe argentina are a better team.

Germany and Argentina still don't look that particularly comfortable at back but german keeper looks the better of the two. Attacking wise, they can't do know wrong. Both can pass and go with ease. flicking it over and darting pass players. IT'S GOING TO BE AWESOME.

I still feel argentina will have it over this very talented german team. I personally don't want germany to win but they have been wonderful to watch (except the aussie game but thats not even the reason I want them to lose lol)

As for england they had what? 10 mins of good football the whole game and perhaps going into the 2nd half equal could have changed things but to be honest, germany always look like they were going to win with their diagonal passing and open game cutting through the hapless england defence. Rooney was no where to be seen and gerrard looked useless on the wing. By the time heskey came on, you really couldn't see them getting anything back from the game.

In the end, GERMANY AND ARGENTINA game is going to be so awesome!!!

So are Rooney and Defoe - who also scored 50 odd goals between them this past season.

Podolski and Klose had scored, what, 5 goals between them?

So are Rooney and Defoe - who also scored 50 odd goals between them this past season.

Podolski and Klose had scored, what, 5 goals between them? [/quote]

Yep both had very average seasons above talk about hitting form at the right time !



Edited by M.L.: 28/6/2010 03:23:42 PM

You can't be offside from a:

- Goal kick;
- throw in; or
- corner

Not sure when (or if) the rule changed.

My mistake. Apparently that has been the rule since way back when.

Am with stepcef.

The positioning of the german players in the final 3rd was breathtaking.They are just so fast and so is their tempo.

The worst thing is the poms will be whinging for the next 40 yrs about the denied goal.

England looked like a team of individuals NOT a team. Dont think the boot needs to be put into Rooney. He cant score without decent service.

They need Rednapp or Steve Bruce as their next coach. Someone that will bleed for there players and ensure the players bleed for each other and instill some pride in the shirt.

Well this will give John Terry some time to spend with more teammates girlfriends before the new season. England should of picked wayne Bridge instead and then they at least might have played as a team

The fluid and almost telepathic attack of the German's is astonishing to watch, I will admit to even admiring the brilliance and flair of Ozil and Muller when they destroyed us too. They are simply a joy to watch, Ozil, Muller, Podolski and Klose just click so beautifuly the grace and speed they apply in systematicaly dismantling opponents is incredible. I thought at the start of this tournament that a Germany with Ozil pulling the strings would be more deadly than one with Ballack but never this efficiently.

Why should Wembley be covered in A4 sheets?
[spoiler]Because England only look good on paper.[/spoiler]