exactly, I was quoting fozzie. I don't think it was all verbeeks fault. I was pointing out fozzies hypocrisy!

Personally, I thought it was the second goal that was the stupid one. There was some 30m between Upson and Johnson across the pitch and John Terry was all over the place chasing the ball like a schoolboy. The whole lot was just foolhardy defending.

The first especially how Terry is supposedly a world class centre back is just beyond me. The mistakes he made for both goals were just criminal.

The 4th goal I'll put more down to England just chasing the game and Barry got put paced. It was a bit understandable that they conceded that 4th after they had to go forward. But what made them think they needed to throw so many bodies forward in the 67th min only 2-1 down is just unbelievable.

All four goals were down to simple incompetence tbh.

The 3rd goal was down to simple incompetence. It was the 67th minute FFS they were only down 2-1 there was no need to push everyone forward like that when you're only down 2-1 and therefore it was 3v2 at the back and the rest is history as they say.

IMO, Lampards goal made all the difference. England had some wind in their sail up until that point. After the goal not being allowed they seemed to loose some composure on teh ball and then try too hard to peg it back again. This led to the 3rd goal and the forth was simply because they had no other choice.

England enjoyed a good 15-20min of dominant play up until the miss. My bet is if they had scored that Lampard goal they wouldn't have attacked so heavily and as such teh result would not have been 4-1. It may have gone the other way potentially as well.

Someone mentioned Garath Barry in instead of Gerard. Thats one decision I agree with. Gerard should have played next to Lampard and a true left side player put in the squad or even J Cole on that side. Barry was not the way to go.

Poetic justice!!

Why should Wembley be covered in A4 sheets?
[spoiler]Because England only look good on paper.[/spoiler]

The fluid and almost telepathic attack of the German's is astonishing to watch, I will admit to even admiring the brilliance and flair of Ozil and Muller when they destroyed us too. They are simply a joy to watch, Ozil, Muller, Podolski and Klose just click so beautifuly the grace and speed they apply in systematicaly dismantling opponents is incredible. I thought at the start of this tournament that a Germany with Ozil pulling the strings would be more deadly than one with Ballack but never this efficiently.

Well this will give John Terry some time to spend with more teammates girlfriends before the new season. England should of picked wayne Bridge instead and then they at least might have played as a team

Am with stepcef.

The positioning of the german players in the final 3rd was breathtaking.They are just so fast and so is their tempo.

The worst thing is the poms will be whinging for the next 40 yrs about the denied goal.

England looked like a team of individuals NOT a team. Dont think the boot needs to be put into Rooney. He cant score without decent service.

They need Rednapp or Steve Bruce as their next coach. Someone that will bleed for there players and ensure the players bleed for each other and instill some pride in the shirt.

My mistake. Apparently that has been the rule since way back when.

You can't be offside from a:

- Goal kick;
- throw in; or
- corner

Not sure when (or if) the rule changed.

So are Rooney and Defoe - who also scored 50 odd goals between them this past season.

Podolski and Klose had scored, what, 5 goals between them? [/quote]

Yep both had very average seasons above talk about hitting form at the right time !



Edited by M.L.: 28/6/2010 03:23:42 PM

So are Rooney and Defoe - who also scored 50 odd goals between them this past season.

Podolski and Klose had scored, what, 5 goals between them?

I can't wait for the german and argentina game! if the refs can come good (doubt it) it could be the best game of the tournament so far. Germany beating argentina will definitely in my mind put them as odd on favourites. For now I still believe argentina are a better team.

Germany and Argentina still don't look that particularly comfortable at back but german keeper looks the better of the two. Attacking wise, they can't do know wrong. Both can pass and go with ease. flicking it over and darting pass players. IT'S GOING TO BE AWESOME.

I still feel argentina will have it over this very talented german team. I personally don't want germany to win but they have been wonderful to watch (except the aussie game but thats not even the reason I want them to lose lol)

As for england they had what? 10 mins of good football the whole game and perhaps going into the 2nd half equal could have changed things but to be honest, germany always look like they were going to win with their diagonal passing and open game cutting through the hapless england defence. Rooney was no where to be seen and gerrard looked useless on the wing. By the time heskey came on, you really couldn't see them getting anything back from the game.

In the end, GERMANY AND ARGENTINA game is going to be so awesome!!!

. But they proven goalscorers for their country

Germany, specifically Podolski and Klose are doing their best to prove you wrong...

the difference was pace and purpose. Germany had plenty and England had next to none. Most easily seen in the final goal which Barry should have got to quite easily.

A very good team going forward are Germany but we were pedestrian and unimaginative yet still scored twice - though only one counted - and hit the woodwork twice which raises questions about their defence.

The first goal was down to dire defending, the second was due to lazy running by Cashley who did not track Muller's run and he should have. The others were beautifully executed break aways - Gerrard just could not catch Muller for the final one despite chasing hard all the way.

The disallowed goal would have made a difference but who is to say another defensive error would not have occurred. Simply we never looked convincing apart from one half against Slovenia and selecting non scoring strikers is no way to win a world cup. We paid the price for not topping the group - which would have happened had we finished Slovenia off in that first half. Enough said.

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England and Australia have now been knocked out by the German scum. :( FML. Quite frankly i'm tipping Germany will go on t and win it.

exactly.

Gerrard was crying to be played behind rooney and joe cole play on the left, but no, capello does shit all. defoe was crap in both games he played. gerrard kept coming in and that meant we went too narrow.

we made the mistake of not picking adam johnson and theo walcott. joe hart should have been number 1.

the side at the world cup played with no passion, determination or drive. they seemed tired and just there to make up the numbers.

capello should be sacked. hes job was to take us to the last 8 at minimum in the world cup and he failed at that and therefore he should get the boot.

put Roy Hodgson in charge of the squad.

its crap being an england fan. every single competiton they fail you. overpaid to underperform.

its time a paid per performance system was brought in.

How is it Verbeek's fault?

At present this young German team will be dominant for many major tournaments yet

They would have ripped apart any formation Pim would put out. Their off the ball movement, pace and technical ability is probably the best we have seen so far at this cup

Argentina would be up there with Germany


Brazil have been kaka and so have Spain

Edited by liverpool: 28/6/2010 12:58:02 PM

First France, the it was Italy, now the Poms. What next? I reckon Spain.

Ozil and Mueller are getting a lot of plaudits, but Khedira has impressed just as much, if not more. Stuttgart will have a fight on their hands to keep him.

I don't dispute it but can some one tell me when this law changed?

Back in the day when I played (a while ago), this was considered offside.

they way they move on counter attack is awesome. Like each other player knows what the other is doing.
Muller had one of the best games of the tourney.

THIS.

My junior coach used to say for 90% of the game you, as an individual player, will not have the ball. Its the game you play without the ball that matters. The movement and positioning of the German players off the ball was as perfect as I've seen. Its what creates the passing lanes for the player with the ball and allows them to cut through the defence. Just Brilliant.

Bollocks - watching a different game :? Lampards goal or not Terry and that backline wouldn't have saved them anyway.