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Quote:Funny how most Asian teams still dont consider us as Asian...... Neither do I, tbh. Quote:As for 'big name players' they are all too old. The big expectations are on Martin Jørgensen 34 and Jon Dahl Tomasson 33. The other 'supporting crew' is Dennis Rommedahl 31, Jesper Grønkjær 32, Christian Poulsen 30, Per Krøldrup 30. All of these guys underperformed (other than Rommedahl), and showed much the same problems of Australia...too slow, ineffective and cannot put the ball into the back of the net. The younger players are expected to be the new generation, and will be judged in he future...it is expected the leaders lead the way for now, and they will take them to Brazil 2014 I think bout the Poulsen's failed to live up to their billings. Rommedahl was probably one of the only positive performances to take out of the cup. Really everyone should have done better (arguably like australia). They've got a few promising youngsters, but I don't think they've got enough to be a real threat in 4 years.
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South Korea, although if Japan win tonight, I'll change to them. That is unlikely though.
And the South Koreans looked the goods at this World Cup. Asian football is on the rise, and it puts in perspective our very succesful qualification through Asia. We can't go to the Asian Cup thinking (again) it will be easy. It will be a bloody difficult assignment, and one we should all enjoy and embrace, hopefully watching Australia play attacking football.
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Diego's Son wrote:The Doctor wrote:i sort of want Japan to win tonight so they can say there the best team in Asia... so then we can go and knock them off there perch come January Now that's a rivalry! Good to see you're keen on it. But I like them (the Japanese), they're good natured... exactly... it'd be great, like Japan saying that they've 'overtaken' Australia as Asia's premier team and whatnot i think it'd be really good... we need to build these rivarly's and you need your rivals to do well to make it significant
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Diegos Son
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The Doctor wrote:i sort of want Japan to win tonight so they can say there the best team in Asia... so then we can go and knock them off there perch come January Now that's a rivalry! Good to see you're keen on it. But I like them (the Japanese), they're good natured...
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The Doctor
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i sort of want Japan to win tonight so they can say there the best team in Asia... so then we can go and knock them off there perch come January
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canehdrian13
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afromanGT wrote:To be honest, I thought that Tomasson was one of their better players. Kahlenberg isn't that young either. He'll be 31 by the time the next cup rolls around.
I was really disappointed with their approach against Japan. They didn't reallly try and they cost me a large amount of money. I don't think they're overrated, they've got a lot of potential there. But they're incredibly inconsistent and big name players keep letting them down.
Over here Tomasson, Jørgensen (and Olsen) are being blamed for not progressing. Tomasson was slow, out of position, and unconvincing. He even missed a penalty (which he scored on the follow up) which is completely out of character for him 'Mr. 100procent straffspark' as the commentators call him. The sad part is, he was so slow in following up the ball the goalie almost got it on his second jump, and then Tomasson was holding his leg for the next 5 minutes...as if he exerted so much effort to get there. The potential is in their youth, however its not in their setup or system. I think they have been relatively consistent lately: Denmark 1-3 Japan Denmark 2-1 Cameroon Denmark 0-2 Netherlands Denmark 0-1 South Africa Denmark 0-1 Australia Denmark 2-0 (I think it was Senegal?) Denmark 1-2 Austria I consider that consistent...consistently poor results. 6 goals in, 10 goals against in their last 7 games. As for 'big name players' they are all too old. The big expectations are on Martin Jørgensen 34 and Jon Dahl Tomasson 33. The other 'supporting crew' is Dennis Rommedahl 31, Jesper Grønkjær 32, Christian Poulsen 30, Per Krøldrup 30. All of these guys underperformed (other than Rommedahl), and showed much the same problems of Australia...too slow, ineffective and cannot put the ball into the back of the net. The younger players are expected to be the new generation, and will be judged in he future...it is expected the leaders lead the way for now, and they will take them to Brazil 2014 Edited by canehdrian13: 29/6/2010 06:09:57 PM
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It's worth noting that Australia and Japan currently are tied for the second-best World Cup record at Round of 16 eliminiation each.
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TimmyJ
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The word Australia isnt even in that article. It would have been if he had also made the second round but...
I know that a few nations are not happy with us in Asia but that article has nothing to do with that.
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Joffa wrote:Quote:Japan ready to carry Asia's hopes (AFP) Monday 28 June 2010 Japan coach Takeshi Okada has said that his side will find extra motivation for their FIFA World Cup™ last 16 match with Paraguay now that they carry Asia's hopes at the tournament. The 53-year-old added that he was sorry to see rivals Korea Republic go out - they lost 2-1 to Uruguay on Saturday - but said this would only serve to bolster his side's resolve to reach the quarter-finals for the first time in their history. "Of course, I think we have to play with extra pride as we are now the only Asian representatives. My desire to beat Paraguay is even more resolute," said Okada, who is in his second finals as coach having overseen their 1998 campaign where they lost all three matches. Japan has also received encouragement from South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak, who told Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan on the sidelines of a G8 summit in Canada that he hoped Japan reached the quarter-finals "on behalf of Asia". Korea Republic, reached the semi-finals in 2002 for Asia's best-ever FIFA World Cup result, upstaging their co-hosts Japan, who bowed out in the Round of 16. Korea Republic's achievement prompted Okada to set his target of a semi-final spot in South Africa, a goal widely ridiculed as unrealistic for Japan, three-time Asian champions (1992, 2000 and 2004). However, the fact that they are the sole remaining Asian representative has enthused not only Okada but also his players, who can entertain realistic hopes of reaching the last eight after an impressive group phase where they beat Cameroon (1-0) and Denmark (3-1) and only lost 1-0 to the Netherlands. "We want to play honourably as proud representatives of Asia and of Japan," said 23-year-old left-back Yuto Nagatomo, who is been reportedly being chased by European clubs including English Premier League side Birmingham City. "We will play courageously as we have nothing to lose." Japan captain and VfL Wolfsburg midfielder Makoto Hasebe concurred. "South Korea also worked very hard but now we are the only Asian side left in the tournament and we really want to win for Asia," said the 26-year-old. Okada praised Korea Republic for the manner in which they had played against the solid Uruguayans and had at one point looked as if they might qualify for the last eight after levelling at 1-1 in the second-half. "They played a great game. In terms of the balance of the overall match, I thought South Korea would prevail," he said. "It was really unfortunate that they (Koreans) could not win. But I think South Korea were far from embarrassed," he added. http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/newsid=1261947/index.html?cid=rssfeed&att= Funny how most Asian teams still dont consider us as Asian......
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I would say Korea are probably the 'best' team with Aus and Japan not far behind. However, on any day I imagine one can beat the other with good planning. We mustn't be lolled into a false sense of security about teams in Asia. I still think Iran, Saudi Arabia and emerging nations like China, Uzbekistan and Bahrain can be a real threat on their day.
Also, I prefer not to use the World Cup to gauge who is the best, as I think success there rely's on luck.
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afromanGT
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To be honest, I thought that Tomasson was one of their better players. Kahlenberg isn't that young either. He'll be 31 by the time the next cup rolls around.
I was really disappointed with their approach against Japan. They didn't reallly try and they cost me a large amount of money. I don't think they're overrated, they've got a lot of potential there. But they're incredibly inconsistent and big name players keep letting them down.
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afromanGT wrote:TimmyJ wrote:afromanGT wrote:I think SoKo would have had it about them to beat Ghana and Serbia as well. +1 I think Japan are above us at the moment too. Could just be me feeling sad about our WC thought. Japan haven't been playing well and it really surprised me that they got up against Denmark. I'd like to know what changed, that's for sure. As someone living in Denmark, I can explain exactly what happened. (it was mostly Denmark's failure) 1. Denmark are overated. They're not what they used to be, though they have some great younger players coming through the system (Kjær, Ericsen, Enevoldsen, Kahlenberg, Agger and of course Bendtner) Give them 4 years, they will do very well in Brazil without the dead wood (Tomasson, Jørgensen etc.) 2. Their coach (Morten Olsen) is almost as tactically inept as Pim Verbeek. The players carry him, he doesn't carry the team. 3. The strategy was severely lacking aim. They expected Japan to sit back and defend all game while Denmark would hammer the goals. It showed arrogance and absolutely no research on the way Japan plays football. I was discussing this with several people here before the game, that if Denmark expects Japan to defend all game, they will be in for a big shock and upset of a result. That is what happened. 4. Despite Janteløven, Danes ooze arrogance, particularly on the football field. Evident enough in the press conferences with Morten Olsen before the games, which were extremely entertaining as a viewer, but as a journalist would be frustrating. Danish supporters also have this arrogance, and often talk down countries outside of Europe/South America as being unable to play football. Fortunately the result against Australia and Japan have woken a few up to it, however they are instead blaming the players as being the problem. Now that I have had my rant about the Danish national team, I will answer the topical question. South Korea are without a doubt the best team in Asia. Japan and Australia would be equally second, and make for a great competition against each other as we have seen in recent years. West Asia have some fast and energetic teams, though lack the will to perform at the highest levels. This Asian cup, I am expecting South Korea to wipe the group, beating Australia comfortably in the group stages...that said, I do see the two teams possibly meeting again in the final, under very different circumstances, and potentially offering a different result. Edited by canehdrian13: 29/6/2010 03:15:08 AM
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afromanGT
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TimmyJ wrote:afromanGT wrote:I think SoKo would have had it about them to beat Ghana and Serbia as well. +1 I think Japan are above us at the moment too. Could just be me feeling sad about our WC thought. Japan haven't been playing well and it really surprised me that they got up against Denmark. I'd like to know what changed, that's for sure.
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australiantibullus wrote:2007 I though would be between SOuth Korea, Japan and Australia with Iran a possible longshot, Saudi Arabia possible dark horses. The final was two Asian teams. in the asian cup. what are the odds?
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Japan were shocking in the lead up, they only just got a friendly against Zimbabwe, and they were held 0-0. They've hit a small vein of luck in the world cup, but don't hold your breath IMO.
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afromanGT wrote:I think SoKo would have had it about them to beat Ghana and Serbia as well. +1 I think Japan are above us at the moment too. Could just be me feeling sad about our WC thought.
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Quote:Japan ready to carry Asia's hopes (AFP) Monday 28 June 2010 Japan coach Takeshi Okada has said that his side will find extra motivation for their FIFA World Cup™ last 16 match with Paraguay now that they carry Asia's hopes at the tournament. The 53-year-old added that he was sorry to see rivals Korea Republic go out - they lost 2-1 to Uruguay on Saturday - but said this would only serve to bolster his side's resolve to reach the quarter-finals for the first time in their history. "Of course, I think we have to play with extra pride as we are now the only Asian representatives. My desire to beat Paraguay is even more resolute," said Okada, who is in his second finals as coach having overseen their 1998 campaign where they lost all three matches. Japan has also received encouragement from South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak, who told Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan on the sidelines of a G8 summit in Canada that he hoped Japan reached the quarter-finals "on behalf of Asia". Korea Republic, reached the semi-finals in 2002 for Asia's best-ever FIFA World Cup result, upstaging their co-hosts Japan, who bowed out in the Round of 16. Korea Republic's achievement prompted Okada to set his target of a semi-final spot in South Africa, a goal widely ridiculed as unrealistic for Japan, three-time Asian champions (1992, 2000 and 2004). However, the fact that they are the sole remaining Asian representative has enthused not only Okada but also his players, who can entertain realistic hopes of reaching the last eight after an impressive group phase where they beat Cameroon (1-0) and Denmark (3-1) and only lost 1-0 to the Netherlands. "We want to play honourably as proud representatives of Asia and of Japan," said 23-year-old left-back Yuto Nagatomo, who is been reportedly being chased by European clubs including English Premier League side Birmingham City. "We will play courageously as we have nothing to lose." Japan captain and VfL Wolfsburg midfielder Makoto Hasebe concurred. "South Korea also worked very hard but now we are the only Asian side left in the tournament and we really want to win for Asia," said the 26-year-old. Okada praised Korea Republic for the manner in which they had played against the solid Uruguayans and had at one point looked as if they might qualify for the last eight after levelling at 1-1 in the second-half. "They played a great game. In terms of the balance of the overall match, I thought South Korea would prevail," he said. "It was really unfortunate that they (Koreans) could not win. But I think South Korea were far from embarrassed," he added. http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/newsid=1261947/index.html?cid=rssfeed&att=
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I think SoKo would have had it about them to beat Ghana and Serbia as well.
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It is either South Korea or Australia. We will just have to wait and see at the Asian Cup I suppose.
If any other Asian team were in the group we were in, they would not have registered a single point IMO. If we were in South Korea or Japan's group, I think we would've made it out.
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We haven't seen whether Japan are going through yet...I'd say they won't. But SoKo have looked the best.
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South Korea are much better then us IMO. They showed that during the friendly against us a little while back. Quite frankly i think it should be 1. South Korea 2. Australia 3. Japan. Agree with the comments that West Asia/Middle East has nothing going for it. Iraq had a flutter during the Asian Cup and shortly therefore after, but while the Iraq War still goes on i can't see a great thing happening for them. IMO their 2007 Asian Cup was one of those freak occurrences that happen now and then. I think the best West Asia/Middle East country footballing wise would be Iran, with Saudi Arabia second, and perhaps Bahrain 3rd.
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cbowden9000 wrote:TimmyJ wrote:South Korea, Japan and Australia are the big 3 I think.
Which one is biggest is hard to tell. Japan and Korea made the second round so technically there better.
Korea for me. They have been quite dominate and played well in there matches I watched.
West Asia has fallen behind i think. +1. West Asia has hardly anything going for it anymore I generally dont think the west asian teams are as good. Can see why none qualified for the WC. But I wouldnt be dismissing them. Especially not in 2011 in Arabia. 2007 I though would be between SOuth Korea, Japan and Australia with Iran a possible longshot, Saudi Arabia possible dark horses. The final was two Asian teams. Same could happen next year.
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Joffa wrote:Whilst we didn't make through to the final 16 there were some extenuating circumstances...we played with ten men for about 50% of our total playing time and Luke Wilkshire had a golden chance to beat Ghana...having said that we were tactically naive, didn't have a settled line up and were technically inferior.
We should, can be and probably are the best but it certainly isn't clear cut...which is good for us and the AFC. That's a bit harsh mate, yes against Germany we got four scored against us, but look at England, it happened to them also, if you look at the replay from last night, Germany started with a 4-2-4 formation. Australia WERE technically more astute than 2006, but I'd say a lot of decisions didn't go our way this year. We were going to lose to Germany regardless of Cahill's red card, but the other games we had a chance. If Garcia had scored in the first 3 minutes against Germany, who knows? If you want a tactical comparison, I'd say go and look at the NZ boys. Granted, they defended well and played with heart, but I'd say overall, we were tactically a better team than them for example. They didn't attack much. Smeltz's goal came off Cannavaro for example and was a true gift. Ricki ironically 'parked the bus' better than Pim did, but didn't offer me much to show a 10 year old kid on attacking formations and systems. The Kiwi boys may not like that, but let's take nationalistic notions here out of it, and look at the football that was played, it wasn't pretty at times... Like 4 years ago, again we walk away with a 'what if' scenario and that's what makes the World Cup what it is.
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Tough call. I voted for SK, but the big 3 (Aus, Jap, Kor) are all in the mix.
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I'm gonna have to say Japan. Though my choice is unsubstantiated... :p
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Whilst we didn't make through to the final 16 there were some extenuating circumstances...we played with ten men for about 50% of our total playing time and Luke Wilkshire had a golden chance to beat Ghana...having said that we were tactically naive, didn't have a settled line up and were technically inferior.
We should, can be and probably are the best but it certainly isn't clear cut...which is good for us and the AFC.
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cbowden9000 wrote:TimmyJ wrote:South Korea, Japan and Australia are the big 3 I think.
Which one is biggest is hard to tell. Japan and Korea made the second round so technically there better.
Korea for me. They have been quite dominate and played well in there matches I watched.
West Asia has fallen behind i think. +1. West Asia has hardly anything going for it anymore They can buy their way out of trouble if they were smart.
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TimmyJ wrote:South Korea, Japan and Australia are the big 3 I think.
Which one is biggest is hard to tell. Japan and Korea made the second round so technically there better.
Korea for me. They have been quite dominate and played well in there matches I watched.
West Asia has fallen behind i think. +1. West Asia has hardly anything going for it anymore
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On consistent result, average level performance and entertainment value
it would be South Korea.
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TimmyJ
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South Korea, Japan and Australia are the big 3 I think.
Which one is biggest is hard to tell. Japan and Korea made the second round so technically there better.
Korea for me. They have been quite dominate and played well in there matches I watched.
West Asia has fallen behind i think.
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