Did any of the English based lads play for us or did they just play the friendly games.

They only played in the friendlies mate.

Was there any reason for that? Were they only allowed to nominate a certain size Squad for the tournament, so they just went with the boys that made the trip or were the English based lads no better than what we have.

Im not sure exactly what the reason was. But I believe that the AIS has to justify its program and to do that they must pick the players in the current program. Although there were only 3 UK based players that were looked at as I said, 2 GK and an outfield player. It is possible though that the UK based players will be selected for the U/17 World Cup if the boys from the AIS can qualify through coming top 4 in the Asian U/16 championships.

If they do qualify then the AIS will still have that same problem, using the English based boys won't sit very well with alot of people if AIS lads are benched to make room for the English. Is the AIS a user pays system or are the boys on scholarships similar to the English Academy setup. Don't suppose you know how many lads there are in England and other countries that would qualify for our U17's. I wouldn't envy the person who was given the job of having to put together Australia's strongest team, as comparing the overseas boys to the ones still in Australia without them competing against each other on a regular basis would be a nightmare.

It is a scholarship system grizz. You cant make everyone happy when it comes to any sort of selection for representative honours, some one always misses out. I just hope the best possible team is selected and its not agenda driven.
I only know of the three lads in the UK mate, although there are possibly others around Europe.

Dylan Tombides, a young striker from the west ham Academy, played in a few games in the actual tournament.

As for how many players in the uk qualify for the u17's we have 5 at Portsmouth alone, then Tombides, we have a 16 y.o CF at Blackburn, the goalkeeper at Man U, the gk at Newcastle United, and another gk at Derby I think, plus there are one or two more in the championship, we have one or two midfielders in Serie B who still qualify, and Julius Davies at Bayern Munich.

Thanks for that. Quite a lot really and there just the ones you guys know, I've heard about 1 at Bolton, 1 Aston Villa, 2 Liverpool.

We actually had 5 o/s players take part in the pre tournament, 2 keepers and 3 outfield players.
The out field players were given limited game time, not all in their respective positions.

the keeper at Newcastle is the one that was at Derby.

Any match reports from the Turkey game?

From the England match the keepers positioning and decision making for all the goals was poor.
The Newcastle keeper was invited but didn't attend for some reason.

Edited by bolter: 1/9/2010 05:11:56 PM

this was a list that was compiled on another forum a few months ago of all 24 and under players currently in europe, and ive gradually added a few players just to keep track, like that gk at boro, and the players that went to pompey

England
GK   Dean Bouzanis      19   Liverpool
GK   ???????       15 Middlesbrough
GK   Liam Jacob      15   Manchester United
GK   Alex Baird      16   Newcastle United
GK   Adam Federici      24   Reading
GK   Alex Cisak      19   Accrington Stanley
GK   Daniel Ireland      19   Coventry City
DF   Shane Lowry      20   Aston Villa
DF   Trent McClenahan   24   Scunthorpe United
DF   Bailey Wright      17   Preston North End
DF   Rhys Williams      21   Middlesbrough
DF   Billy Tsovolos      17   Portsmouth
DF   Alexander Grant      16   Portsmouth
MF   Chris Herd      20   Aston Villa
MF   Andrew Higgins      16   Portsmouth
MF   Jordan Fitzharris   16   Portsmouth
MF   Ryan Williams      16   Portsmouth
MF   James Wesolowski   22   Peterbrough United
MF   Bradden Inman      19   Newcastle United
MF   Neil Kilkenny      24   Leeds United
MF   Cameron Parrish      17   Preston North End
MF   Patrick Meehan      19   Sheffield Wednesday
ST   Jamie Maclaren      17   Blackburn Rovers
ST   Patrick Antelmi      16   Portsmouth
ST   Dylan Tombides      16   West Ham United
ST   Matthew Fletcher   18   Sunderland
ST   Ryan Gazet      18   Portsmouth

Italy
DF   Nick Modaffari      18   Vicenza
MF   Stephen Maselli      19   Vicenza
MF   Francesco Stella   18   Siena
MF   Adrian Ucchino      18   Frosinone
MF   Carl Valeri      24   Sassuolo
ST   Antony Carter      15   Vicenza
ST   Chritian Esposito   19   Novara

Spain
MF   Theo Markelis      18   Valencia
MF   Kearyn Baccus      17   Real Mallorca
ST   Robert Tall      18   Espanyol

Germany
GK   Mitch Langerak      21   Borussia Dormund
DF   Matthew Spiranovic   21   Nuremberg
DF   Ante Drazina      18   Hertha BSC
DF   Peter Cvenatovski   21   Borussia Mochengladbach
MF   Julis Davies      15   Bayern Munich
MF   Dario Vidosic      23   Nuremberg
ST   Nikita Rukvavystya   23   Hertha BSC

Portugal
DF   Jason Davidson      19   Pacos de Ferreira
ST   James Georgeff      17   Arouca

Netherlands
DF   Jimmy Downey      21   Sparta Rotterdam
MF   James Holland      21   AZ Alkmaar
MF   Adam Sarota      21   FC Utrecht
MF   Tommy Oar      18   FC Utrecht
MF   Michael Zullo      21   FC Utrecht

Turkey
GK   Daniel Vukovic      23   Konyaspor
DF   Ersan Gulum      23   Besiktas
MF   Harry Kewell      31   Galatasaray
MF   James Troisi      21   Keyserispor
ST   Bruce Djite      23   Genclerbirligi

Greece
MF   Nathan Burns      22   AEK Athens
MF   Harris Gaitatzis   23   Panserraikos
MF   Paul Giannou      20   Kavala
MF   Andreas Govos      20   Kavala
ST   Robert Stambolziev   19   Panathinaikos

Belgium
DF   George Lambadaridis   18   Club Brugge

Denmark
ST   Brent McGrath      18   Brondby IF

Czech Republic
ST   Kerem Bulut      18   Mlada Boleslav

Croatia
DF   Daniel Georgievski   22   Medimurje

Serbia
MF   Aleksandr Jovanovic   20   Vojvodina

Romania
MF   Spase Dilevski      24   Universitatea Craiova

Scotland
DF   Dylan McGowan      20   Hearts
MF   Ryan McGowan      18   Hearts

Japan
DF   Mark Milligan      24   JEF United

Coys my son played with a kid called Brad Smith who is at Liverpool in 18's plays LB went to England 2yrs ago if you want another for your list.

Nice list, we really need a sticky thread to keep track of all these guys.
Just a few updates/additions on/for some of these guys with the magical tool that is google :lol:

-Kearyn Baccus is 19 and transferred to Le Mans B(Le mans Reserve side playing 4th division French football)
-Dean Gardikiotis is the 15 y.o keeper at boro
-Bailey wright is 18 now
-Pretty Sure Aleksander Jovanovic is like 24 now


-Meehan was released from wednesday and I actually found this article on him which is definitely not good:
http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Sheffield-Wednesday-youth-star-critical.6495487.jp


and also just found where Rhys Willims other brother Aryn got to;
http://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/page/Youth/0,,10413~2060182,00.html

-DF Aryn Williams 16 Burnley

Great list that is Coys, but I think one Mr H.Kewell just misses th 24 and under list lol. Torana a9x is correct that Dean Gardikiotis is the keeper from Boro.

STICKY PLEASE MODS.:d :d :d :d :d

Edited by spathi: 1/9/2010 09:07:12 PM

about the list, just off the top of my head- Cvetanovski has left Monchengladbach and returned to the nswpl for Rockdale City, Markelis has been released by Valencia, Govas has switched from Kavala to Kozani, Joe Gibbs has moved from Sydney FC to Olympic Charleroi, Vukovic got booted out of Konyaspor, Djite to GCU

For 2011 Fifa u17 world cup these are the overseas who could play for joeys:



LIAM JACOB 1994 GK MANCHESTER UNITED
DEAN GARDIKIOTIS 1994 GK MIDDLESBROUGH F.C.
JULIUS DOE DAVIES 1994 MID BAYERN MUNICH F.C.
DYLAN TOMBIDES 1994 FOR WEST HAM UNITED
FITZHARRIS 1994 MID PORTSMOUTH F.C.
PATRICK ANTELMI FOR 1994 PORTSMOUTH F.C.
ALEXANDER GRANT DF 1994 PORTMOSUTH F.C.
ALEX BAIRD 1994 GK NEWCASTLE UNITED
BRAD SMITH 1994 LB LIVERPOOL F.C.
CARTER 1995(or 1994) ??? VICENZA CALCIO
ARYN WILLIAMS 1994 ??? BURNLEY

Robert Tall has left spain and is back in australia.
there were a couple of guys over in spain that i know of as well but they have all come back as well.

[quote=Stormpark94]For 2011 Fifa u17 world cup these are the overseas who could play for joeys:

The wash up from the Joeys so far is that until the BS gets out of the squad and they pick the best kids thats the results you get. And that includes a few UK based players who are still not up to it, but think because they are UK based they deserve a spot.


Im in the UK and I think your getting way ahead of yourselves, let the AIS kids in Australia get first crack at the spots for the 17s. They choose a path and they deserve to get first chance. In fact I would not be picking UK based players at all for 17s cause they have made a choice to go overseas and further their chances.

So if your in the UK be happy with what you have and get off the back of the Aussies in Australia who may want to stay in Australia or not have the passport or means to move. They may also be smart enough to not kid themselves that just because they made an academy here they are a superstar. Fact remains even if you get in here in the UK until your a pro its all BS anyway.

So let the AIS kids do their thing. They deserve the chance and the crack at it. If your overseas and if your any good they will find you and tell you. Until then worry about getting better rather than hanging your hat on being the number 3 choice for a positon thats weak anyway.

All the best.

Ive seen 90% of the players on that list and one not mentioned who should be the Centre half and I can assure you , your along way from becoming professional footballers.

U will find it aint much fun ending back in Australia with your tail between your legs

What makes you think your relative should be the centre half?

Leave politics out. Best players should be picked regardless.

Absolutely right. It shouldn't matter whether the player is at the AIS or in the UK or wherever. If he is the best player to fill the position then he should be selected. In the end it will always come down to personal opinion and that is when politics and selection policy clash. Someone is always going to miss out unfortunately, because the coaches opinion is different to the player his family and friends.

I personally dont like to see players selected because they have done private academy work with one of the coaching staff, but it happens. The conflict of interest should be nipped in the bud. Any coach with a private academy should not be part of the National Youth coaching staff or even be around the team.

hear hear

So you don't think that the boys that have given up lifestyle, friends and relatives to play football overseas, to try and become better Aussie players with a lucky few actually making a career out of the game don't deserve the chance to be considered to play for their country. Another World Cup just went by with us trying to use too many dinosaurs, meaning another group of younger talented A League and overseas players will have missed the chance to play in a world cup as next time it comes round they will be too old. The FFA really needs to have a look at themselves as it is the Australian way to send our strongest teams to any event whether it be football,rugby, cricket at junior and senior levels.

theo markelis has transferred from valencia to vicenza in italy

Any idea on how and why that eventuated? :-k :-k

nope sorry mate...

i know the ffa listed him as a free agent during the AFF championships but benji said he met markelis in melbourne while he was in australia during the break and markelis said that he signed a new deal with valencia...only then for me to check this out http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Abroad/index.html and then i double checked the vicenza website and theyve also got him listed as their player now

his reason could range in anything from being not good enough to offered a quicker path to first team football

I've mentioned it one or two times in the past, but Markelis was part of the Genova International School of Soccer in Australia, as were/are a few other kids on the above list, think he was trained by them as a kid, anyway Vicenza are a club Affiliated with this Organisation as is AS Roma and a few other international clubs, so I'm guessing when he came back to Aus recently they set up a meting or introduction and things just fell into place from there.

Funny how that goalkeeper you mentioned Dean Gardikiotis from Middlesborough is not on the list of the link you posted. I wonder how many others are not on the list?

Edited by spathi: 8/9/2010 02:07:03 PM

Patrick Meehan was playing for Brisbane Wolves in the Bris Prem league before his accident.

Ryan Gazet du Chattelier has been released from Portsmouth

Corey Gameiro is an aussie signed at Fulham

Daniel Sweeney has switched from Sunshine George Cross to partick Thistle

Edited by Krackovich: 8/9/2010 02:19:48 PM

Cheers Krackovich.