Yeah, I was holding my breath on the handball. Something similar happened to Smalling too iirc.

I'm surprised nobody is moaning about Maxi's tackle. Easily could have been red.

Re: Manure. I wasn't aware that had any connection to lives being lost? Thought it was just playing on manure, like, dung. I would say ML is also unawares

Are you serious?

It started from Wolves fans back when it happened, in fact, I can't be bothered getting into it.

If you didn't know it is a reference to Munich, I apologise but yes it refers to the team who never came back and where they died.

Regardless of the Munich conotations I think most are not aware of, I seriously would have thought names like 'manure' passed their use by dates once you turn 12...

Nothing pisses me off more than fans of whatever club saying Liverpoo and Loserpool. Obviously taking the piss names but I don't think anyone outside of pre school could possibly find it funny.

Isnt Man Utd offensive as well or something?

"Man U" same as manure. Man you are not coming home was/is the song. In reference to the crash.



Edited by busbybabe: 29/1/2012 03:02:33 PM

Yeah, I know the Man U Never Intended Coming Home and all that stuff, its all disgraceful.

Just thought I read around Man Utd was offensive as well.

I agree you accepted defeat but you need to add on some chest beating of reasons for I suppose is to soften the blow losing to US, especially that we are not a top side anymore as you say so ;)

Everything is about the football HERE in OZ, us followers (the many I know who couldn't be bothered being on forums) of any epl club/s certainly don't get into the unneccessary uncalled for BS levels Liverpool/United supporters get up to back over there so you need to back off a little as imno points out (< thanks mate) - and I accept your apoligy as I also certainly didn't mean it reffering to what it represents now that I know.

Now as for us not being a top team in the league ? you bet I consider us UP there even without the silver ware - regardless of our short comings for a long time we have faired up there close enough to cause damage amongst far better managed and funded clubs (the ones you mention above us) than ours had been till very recently, as for Spurs they have only just become as force (we shall see how long this will continue, meaning how many years ?!) and yep they are ahead as has been Newcastle and I have no worries accepting this thats football but I won't take a backward step from niggling childish remarks as you say so yourself.

FYI below I suppose finishing in the top 4 12 times out of 19 just doesn't say much in the modern world.
"Big Four" dominance

A major criticism of the Premier League has been the emergence of the so-called "Big Four" clubs.[72][73] With the exception of Blackburn Rovers in 1994–95, only three clubs have won the Premier League title – Manchester United (twelve titles), Arsenal and Chelsea (three times each). In addition, Manchester United have not finished outside the top three since the formation of the Premier League. From the 1996–97 season onwards, the "Top Four" (Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United) have dominated the top four spots, and thus places in the UEFA Champions League (qualification was one club for the first four seasons, increased to two clubs in 1997, three in 1999 and four since 2002). The benefits of qualification, especially increased revenue, are believed to have widened the gap between the "Top Four" clubs and the rest of the Premier League.[73] As of the end of the 2010–11 season, Manchester United have finished in the top four the most often, having finished in the top four in all 19 Premier League seasons. Arsenal are second with 16 top four finishes, followed by Liverpool with 12 and Chelsea with 11.

Anyway lets agree to disagree over whatever may occur in the future for I'm not a keyboard warrior but a old football player/enthusiast that enjoys coming on the fibre highway with like minded people.

I accept the point about big four finishes etc but for me that's history. Look at Blackburn, they win the league then what, 3-4 years later? They get relegated. You should be judged on the present and not past league positions. It can change quickly and because Liverpool have been finishing in the top bit of the league doesnt mean they will continue to do so. As I said, even though I personally don't see Liverpool as a top club anymore, by top I mean a team that can have a realistic title challenge, I still see them as the biggest with us.

Good thing is we will always disagree, that's the way it's meant to be :d and we get to do this dance again in two weeks time, although at Old Trafford.

So shouldn't 58 be left in history as well ;) and there will always be a "but" with you like the school debating team :)

Edited by M.L.: 29/1/2012 11:00:01 PM

Comparing league positions and people losing their life?

I'll ignore your last post - maybe you should delete it.

M.L, Busby is not making any 'childish digs' merely expressing the opinion of many United fans in regards to this rivalry. It is not a dig to suggest Liverpool are not a 'top club' at the moment, on tradition and history there aren't many bigger that's for sure but in recent years their football has declined from usual standards whereas City have sky rocketed and Spurs are continuing to grow in stature.

A fair portion of United fans (myself and Busby included) feel that this rivalry has slipped a bit in recent years with Liverpool no longer at the top challenging as it loses it's footballing spice, right when City starts to find some footballing spice. On history this rivalry will always be intense and heated however recently it has become less about football but more about history and individual incidents like the Suarez fiasco, I actually want to see Liverpool regain their status and form at the top so this rivalry can reach the heights we are accustomed too.

Edited by fredsta: 30/1/2012 12:18:56 AM

This so much. I want the game to decide titles.

Home to Brighton in the next round... gotta do the business, but gives a great chance of making the quarters.

Times reporting Gerrard has done his hammy v United.

I swear, the universe wont let Suarez and Gerrard play together! Whenever one is coming back, something happens to the other.

Hopefully it's not too long of a layoff.



Expecting this v Wolves.

Absolutely stoked at last few results against city and utd, fantastic!!!

Good to see big Andy may be turning a corner, fingers crossed!!

Came accross a good article, its a great read, puts things in perspective regarding Evra issue etc.... My take on it is that he was always going to get booed, like suarez will at utd!!

http://tomkinstimes.com/2012/01/united-we-stand-united-they-fall/

3 points against wolves will top last few off nicely!!

I'm almost resigned to the fact that we wont beat Wolves. And then we'll probably beat Spurs and possibly United :lol: Story of our season.

Aquilani, Keane, Morientes, Cisse, Babel, Diouf, Dossena, Gonzalez, Pennant... The list of flops is long and illustrious.

That said, knocking United and City out of the cups in the space of a week is fucking priceless.

Sure is.

Important February we've got... Spurs at home, Man United at Old Trafford, FA Cup v Brighton, Carling Cup Final... important month.

Love these :lol:

Spot on above afro !
Agree also on the list of prior flops - sooner or later something/someone is going to click ! and more luck goes our way re injuries ala Lucas and getting Louis back on the park.
I feel the same re Wolves just our luck we put in an average performance but hey its an away game theres hope :) and yes what a month coming up !

Edited by M.L.: 30/1/2012 03:43:17 PM

Jordan Henderson: 18m
Stewart Downing: 20m
Knocking United and City out of the cups in the space of a week: Priceless.

February is a huge month. Thank Odin we've got Suarez back.

Are there any more details on Lucas' recovery progress.

Words cannot describe how frustrating reading this is.

At least Suarez will be like a new signing ;)

I was hoping we'd get another player or two for the attacking third, but hopefully Suarez can bring his shooting boots back with him, Kuyt has broken his duck and Bellers in his hot form. Get Carroll firing and we've got more than enough.

I'm really tired and read that wrong. So, so wrong.

Carroll won't fire. His confidence is gone, he is hardly even putting up a fight for the ball these days. Lad needs to tank and man up.

Sky sports is reporting that Liverpool have completed a double-swoop for goalkeepers Danny Ward (18) and Kristoffer Nordveldt (22).

Belford, Mersin and Hansen are the U18's, academy and reserves keepers respectively.

I have no idea why we signed Danny Ward, he hasn't even played a game for Wrexford seniors. We've been watching Nordveldt and a couple of other swedish youth players for a while now, all I can think is that he's been brought in as a cheap replacement for Gulacsi in case Hull decide they want to keep him.

You mean Wexford Youths or Wrexham?