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yep I reckon you right benjo - and you can't blame the poms make sure to retain this promising young Redman :) Congrats to Raheem - 17 called up to duty wouldn't you be hooting in his boots \:d/
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Jovetic would've been an amazing signing a few years back, but to be honest I doubt they would've gone after Suarez if he was there. In hind sight, you can't really complain too much.
On an unrelated note - has this "Being Liverpool" doco been finished yet?
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It's done, will air sometime this month AFAIK.
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Quote:When you kiss goodbye to those close to you tomorrow morning, imagine it is the last kiss you share. Imagine those close to you taking part in their ordinary routine - work, shopping, school – but never coming home. Ninety-six people did an ordinary thing on April 15 1989. An ordinary thing is all football is and all it was ever meant to be. Those 96 people went to a football match, never to return. No one should ever have to suffer that. Many have for 23 years.
A lot can happen in 23 years. Twenty-three birthdays, 23 Christmas Days. Countless football matches. Jon-Paul Gilhooley, the youngest victim of the tragedy, would now be 33. But a lot hasn’t happened in 23 years for those involved with Hillsborough. The families of the victims still wait for justice; the survivors of the tragedy still wait for answers. For 23 years, the full extent of what happened and how the authorities failed them have been withheld. It is 23 years too long.
On Wednesday, the overdue next step is taken. An independent panel of experts, chaired by James Jones, the Bishop of Liverpool, will attempt to deliver the narrative to events at Hillsborough. 450,000 internal documents have been perused for nearly two years. A number of unanswered questions will hopefully be answered; the shadow that looms over the truth of that day, cast by those in authority that day, will finally be lifted.
The Hillsborough Family Support Group (HFSG) submitted 42 questions to the panel, every one as pertinent as the other.
Some questions related to the cause: Why was a venue without a safety certificate used for such a high-profile match? Why did just one ambulance of 42 make it on to the pitch? Why were only 14 of the victims taken to hospital?
Some related to the consequences: Who misled or encouraged Bernard Ingham, then Margaret Thatcher's press secretary, into erroneously thinking "drunken ticketless fans" were to blame? Why were police statements edited? Why the inference of alcohol, including accusing one victim of vomiting beer when there was no alcohol in his blood alcohol sample?
Yet more questions, not included in the HFSG’s list. Why, during the immediate aftermath of the tragedy, was it wrongly said that fans had pushed down the exit gate, even though Chief Superintendent David Duckenfield ordered it to be opened? Why was it said the cut-off point for time of deaths was at 3.15pm, when one of the victims, 15-year-old Kevin Williams, was reported to have been alive after that time by both an off-duty police officer and special constable?
But the biggest question of all is why the families and friends of the deceased have had to ask these questions for so long; why the survivors of the disaster have never been given answers. It has not been due to a lack of effort or commitment. The Hillsborough Justice Campaign (HJC) are bereaved families, survivors and supporters who have worked tirelessly to find justice; to see those who should truly be held to blame be outed.
Their quest has not been helped by the actions of the Sun newspaper days after the disaster. The headline “THE TRUTH”, concocted by then-editor Kelvin Mackenzie, was a crass attempt to sensationalise the deaths of 96 people. What’s worse, it accused the Liverpool supporters of vile acts, every single accusation untrue. It claimed fans stole from and urinated on the dead, deeds perpetrated because of drunkenness. Not one single person has ever come forward to back up those stories, because those acts were never committed. Lord Justice Taylor, in his report on the disaster, said fans were not drunk, nor worse for drink. But some in this country care little for facts. It is because of those lies that people don’t support the fight for justice.
It is because of those lies that some people regard Liverpool as a "self-pity city". Either through ignorance or bigotry, some people still believe it. But the city has risen above it and the boycott of the Sun is still, rightfully, adhered to by most on Merseyside.
But beyond the despicable behaviour of journalist Harry Arnold and his editor Mackenzie lies something more crucial. The story was undoubtedly an attempt to shock; furthermore, it was a missile fired at supporters, a large stroke of the brush in a smear campaign launched by the authorities in an attempt to cover their own incompetence. There are a lot of people to blame for the Hillsborough disaster – Liverpool fans were not among them. That has already been proven. What is now hoped for is that the report reveals who truly is, on the record, for everyone to know.
It is the least those who have fought for 23 years deserve for their dignity and perseverance throughout. In January 2007, Anfield staged a ‘Truth Day’, a protest against the lies printed by The Sun in 1989. It was as poignant as it was visceral. For six minutes, the Kop held up red and white cards to form a mosaic which spelt out ‘THE TRUTH’ and chanted ‘Justice for the 96’, each repetition becoming louder, more intense, more emotional; so loud, intense and emotional, no one could ignore it. Not even the government. It was time they listened. They didn’t in 1989. Hopefully, they do now.
The people who died at Hillsborough would still be on the Kop today following their football team. A hug at Istanbul or a sing song at Wembley, lost forever. No matter where you are in Anfield, it's hard not to spot the eternal flame. It rests upon the club’s shirt. It rests upon pin badges and stickers. It flickers, never-ending, inside the Hillsborough memorial. It is a reminder to us all that no one should have to suffer what those who knew the 96 suffered; a reminder that no one should never return home from a game of football.
“All the families have ever wanted is the full truth, and an acknowledgement by those responsible,” said Margaret Aspinall at the 20th anniversary memorial service at Anfield. Margaret is the chair of the Hillsborough Family Support Group, whose 18-year-old son James died in the disaster. Three years on from that memorial, and 23 years after losing her son, the full truth may be imminent. It might not give her, or the other families, the justice they want, nor the closure they will probably never have. But the eternal flame still flickers, never to be extinguished. It will burn brighter still on Wednesday Excellent piece on RAWK about the importance of today. JFT 96.
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Vaughn2111 wrote:Jovetic would've been an amazing signing a few years back, but to be honest I doubt they would've gone after Suarez if he was there. In hind sight, you can't really complain too much.
On an unrelated note - has this "Being Liverpool" doco been finished yet? i know what you are saying, but that could of also meant Torres stayed and continued his devastating form... you never know. but onwards and upwards... i really enjoy listening to Rodgers speak and enjoyed every minute of the interview he did which imno posted
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imnofreak wrote:Quote:When you kiss goodbye to those close to you tomorrow morning, imagine it is the last kiss you share. Imagine those close to you taking part in their ordinary routine - work, shopping, school – but never coming home. Ninety-six people did an ordinary thing on April 15 1989. An ordinary thing is all football is and all it was ever meant to be. Those 96 people went to a football match, never to return. No one should ever have to suffer that. Many have for 23 years.
A lot can happen in 23 years. Twenty-three birthdays, 23 Christmas Days. Countless football matches. Jon-Paul Gilhooley, the youngest victim of the tragedy, would now be 33. But a lot hasn’t happened in 23 years for those involved with Hillsborough. The families of the victims still wait for justice; the survivors of the tragedy still wait for answers. For 23 years, the full extent of what happened and how the authorities failed them have been withheld. It is 23 years too long.
On Wednesday, the overdue next step is taken. An independent panel of experts, chaired by James Jones, the Bishop of Liverpool, will attempt to deliver the narrative to events at Hillsborough. 450,000 internal documents have been perused for nearly two years. A number of unanswered questions will hopefully be answered; the shadow that looms over the truth of that day, cast by those in authority that day, will finally be lifted.
The Hillsborough Family Support Group (HFSG) submitted 42 questions to the panel, every one as pertinent as the other.
Some questions related to the cause: Why was a venue without a safety certificate used for such a high-profile match? Why did just one ambulance of 42 make it on to the pitch? Why were only 14 of the victims taken to hospital?
Some related to the consequences: Who misled or encouraged Bernard Ingham, then Margaret Thatcher's press secretary, into erroneously thinking "drunken ticketless fans" were to blame? Why were police statements edited? Why the inference of alcohol, including accusing one victim of vomiting beer when there was no alcohol in his blood alcohol sample?
Yet more questions, not included in the HFSG’s list. Why, during the immediate aftermath of the tragedy, was it wrongly said that fans had pushed down the exit gate, even though Chief Superintendent David Duckenfield ordered it to be opened? Why was it said the cut-off point for time of deaths was at 3.15pm, when one of the victims, 15-year-old Kevin Williams, was reported to have been alive after that time by both an off-duty police officer and special constable?
But the biggest question of all is why the families and friends of the deceased have had to ask these questions for so long; why the survivors of the disaster have never been given answers. It has not been due to a lack of effort or commitment. The Hillsborough Justice Campaign (HJC) are bereaved families, survivors and supporters who have worked tirelessly to find justice; to see those who should truly be held to blame be outed.
Their quest has not been helped by the actions of the Sun newspaper days after the disaster. The headline “THE TRUTH”, concocted by then-editor Kelvin Mackenzie, was a crass attempt to sensationalise the deaths of 96 people. What’s worse, it accused the Liverpool supporters of vile acts, every single accusation untrue. It claimed fans stole from and urinated on the dead, deeds perpetrated because of drunkenness. Not one single person has ever come forward to back up those stories, because those acts were never committed. Lord Justice Taylor, in his report on the disaster, said fans were not drunk, nor worse for drink. But some in this country care little for facts. It is because of those lies that people don’t support the fight for justice.
It is because of those lies that some people regard Liverpool as a "self-pity city". Either through ignorance or bigotry, some people still believe it. But the city has risen above it and the boycott of the Sun is still, rightfully, adhered to by most on Merseyside.
But beyond the despicable behaviour of journalist Harry Arnold and his editor Mackenzie lies something more crucial. The story was undoubtedly an attempt to shock; furthermore, it was a missile fired at supporters, a large stroke of the brush in a smear campaign launched by the authorities in an attempt to cover their own incompetence. There are a lot of people to blame for the Hillsborough disaster – Liverpool fans were not among them. That has already been proven. What is now hoped for is that the report reveals who truly is, on the record, for everyone to know.
It is the least those who have fought for 23 years deserve for their dignity and perseverance throughout. In January 2007, Anfield staged a ‘Truth Day’, a protest against the lies printed by The Sun in 1989. It was as poignant as it was visceral. For six minutes, the Kop held up red and white cards to form a mosaic which spelt out ‘THE TRUTH’ and chanted ‘Justice for the 96’, each repetition becoming louder, more intense, more emotional; so loud, intense and emotional, no one could ignore it. Not even the government. It was time they listened. They didn’t in 1989. Hopefully, they do now.
The people who died at Hillsborough would still be on the Kop today following their football team. A hug at Istanbul or a sing song at Wembley, lost forever. No matter where you are in Anfield, it's hard not to spot the eternal flame. It rests upon the club’s shirt. It rests upon pin badges and stickers. It flickers, never-ending, inside the Hillsborough memorial. It is a reminder to us all that no one should have to suffer what those who knew the 96 suffered; a reminder that no one should never return home from a game of football.
“All the families have ever wanted is the full truth, and an acknowledgement by those responsible,” said Margaret Aspinall at the 20th anniversary memorial service at Anfield. Margaret is the chair of the Hillsborough Family Support Group, whose 18-year-old son James died in the disaster. Three years on from that memorial, and 23 years after losing her son, the full truth may be imminent. It might not give her, or the other families, the justice they want, nor the closure they will probably never have. But the eternal flame still flickers, never to be extinguished. It will burn brighter still on Wednesday Excellent piece on RAWK about the importance of today. JFT 96.
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Going to watch that doco on Friday when I get a chance
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Humbling to read - Thanks imno for posting. I noticed somewhere the doco being advertised soon - must have been setant.
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Tony Barrett @TonyBarretTimes Really significant from @SteveRotheramMP on BBC: "Families could discover today thst their loved ones could have survived." Heartbreaking.
norman smith @BBCNormanS Liverpool MP Steve Rotheram says Hillsborough report "not about retribution ....but about responsibility" #hillsborough Retweeted by Phil McNulty
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imnofreak wrote:It's done, will air sometime this month AFAIK. Yep, will be on Fox on the 23rd before the United game.
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Lets hope next weeks game is about what happens on the pitch not what is chanted off the pitch.
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Damn ! 23rd I'm in transit in the US - grrrrr...... On Setanta guys ? I'll have to assign my eldest to record this. BB re the game coming up do you really expect that small % of knob heads behaving ? I doubt it unfortunately.
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http://thehillsboroughdisasterdocumentary.com/Just crazy watching this. How the FA and whoever else in charge let Hillsborough continue to host events like the FA Cup semi finals even after all the near misses and all the people raising concerns is astonishing. It could have happened to any team.
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The FA admitted their part of the blame yesterday as well. Yesterday was a huge day for the club and for the history books. Never having to hear 'you murdered your own fans' again would be wonderful.
I'm worried that Raheem Sterling could be being pushed too high too fast as well.
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I think BR will do a good job of keeping his feet on the ground as much as possible.
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It's not necessarily so much that as too much pressure, too many games, etc.
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Would have thought Sterling would have been loaned out. Away from the spotlight.
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BusbyBabe wrote:Would have thought Sterling would have been loaned out. Away from the spotlight. He probably would have been until we realised we've got absolutely no depth at all on the wing...
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afromanGT wrote:BusbyBabe wrote:Would have thought Sterling would have been loaned out. Away from the spotlight. He probably would have been until we realised we've got absolutely no depth at all on the wing... hehe thats right - were really ready for the coming 2games :lol:
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Loaned out!? He's our first choice LW ffs :lol:
Unless Assaidi turns into a world beater.
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He is 17, surely he needs time to develop. Liverpool should have enough about them to cover for an unproven kid.
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Oi - D Welbeck starting getting senior time at 18, I'm sure there's months in it either way for both kids at the same period. Though I do agree its still very young to expect them to handle whats ahead but some flourish and some sink as we have seen over the years.
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Yeh he was getting game time, he wasn't expected to start and be an essiential part of the starting X1 though.
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BusbyBabe wrote:He is 17, surely he needs time to develop. Liverpool should have enough about them to cover for an unproven kid.
Yeah, we should but we don't :lol: But, if he's good enough, he's old enough. And I certainly think he's good enough.
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 Dunno if you guys saw this. It was on display at the Everton megastore.
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imnofreak wrote:BusbyBabe wrote:He is 17, surely he needs time to develop. Liverpool should have enough about them to cover for an unproven kid.
Yeah, we should but we don't :lol: But, if he's good enough, he's old enough. And I certainly think he's good enough. That's it. What better way to develop than actually play in the XI?
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UAL - Yeah, went up around a few message boards. Much appreciated.
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Suso is training with the firsts and in the 20 man squad for the Sunderland game. Congrats, lad. Bib theory says the team will be: Sterling - Suarez - Borini Shelvey - Gerrard Allen Johnson - Agger - Skrtel - Kelly Pepe Makes sense with Enrique still out. Sahin obviously needs more fitness and Shelvey is in good nick.
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Good to see Shelvey, he's been looking good. I think it will be a toss-up with him or Sahin, depending on who you play - Sahin being the more defensive option.
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fark.we can't get a break can we.. dominated most of first half, sunderland have their first real run at goal..and score
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