Seems pretty clear cut for me, as a Liverpool supporter as well. Time for 35m to try earn his money.

I follow Liverpool but I feel a ban is correct, probably it is a little too long as I don't think Suarez would have come out and said the word so early if he thought it would be taken so harshly. I think it will be cut with an appeal on lack of solid evidence, probably back to 4 - 6 games.

Is Evra also being investigated for saying 'get off me you South American'? In saying this I also think Evra said this because 1. He may be really stupid (which I doubt) or 2. he was telling the truth on the whole thing but saying something derogatory to people from South America because of where they came from is still racist in my books so should come with a ban but less as it is not repeated or excessive use.

Haha no, because he used a Racial Term. That's what Busby was asking. 'Did he use the Racial Term in an Affectionate way, or as an insult?'. Not just asking if Suarez insulted Evra in general.

What's done is done now though. Even as a Liverpool supporter, why would Evra lie? After reading bits of that report it seems quite clear something did go.

I don't know. I honestly don't.

Ok there is no proof about his meaning behind the word. But seriously forget the ban, the fine and the case, put two and two together, do you think he meant it in an affectionate way or as an insult? Be honest.

Before the report nobody knew what Suarez said. I heard people saying he admitted it but I never saw it anywhere. It's in the report that Suarez admitted to saying negro - so now I believe it.

Make a stand for what? Can you tell me why Evra's report should be believed over Suarez's? When there is no actual proof either way?

That is what Suarez admitted and what I was referring to. Every time we said that we were told, no it is only Evra's word it means nothing.

But that is one of the few times I have seen a Liverpool fan admit that. Well done. Now we just have to realise he wasn't being affectionate at the time.

It was what I was saying when the ban was first announced, we had to wait for the report. The report is now out and I can see why they have banned him. 8 matches, harsh and is a lot but they had to make a stand.


Edited by busbybabe: 1/1/2012 12:47:08 PM

Suarez admitted to saying 'negro'. Nobody is saying that he didn't say negro (now that the report is released.) What else did Suarez admit to that I am unaware of?



No. No I wont.

It is not about arguing. When the dust settles and you look back at it on months to come, you will see how Liverpool have handled this and realise that they have not done it well.

How come Liverpool fans bring up everything that Evra admitted but anything Suarez admitted tois just made up and we don't know what he actually said. But you all know 100% what Evra said and meant :lol:

I'm trying to find a way to respond to this without swearing. I've failed, so i'm going to leave it alone.

There is 0 point in arguing this with you as nobody will ever see what the other person sees. I'm not going to bother.

On and on and on it goes - pathetic TBH, should have left it on the field between the both of them just finished off to each other with a F off and see each other again for a square up next game with some decent tackles or show up.

By the way fellas hope you had a rippa NY it sure started well yesterday with the win v's the Toons and I have to say it finished spot on seeing the last 15 of Burns win :d good luck to them that certainly came out of nowhere !

A few things that jump out at me -

Evra has maintained through all of this that he doesn't believe Suarez to be racist. If Suarez said what Evra is supporting though, then surely Evra would not be backing him up like this? Because on Evra's report, that is some disgusting behavior from Suarez (though I do not believe he did it)

They still show no reason as to why Evra's report should carry more weight. They give no reason why his version should be believed over Suarez's.

Some of the reasoning is farcical - like this below:


If this comes into why they charged him - what the fuck? He touched his arm so he's a racist? :lol: :roll:

Interesting also that Evra admitted that he started the conversation with "La concha de tu hermana," which means literally "your sister's private parts". Nice guy :lol: But he says he didn't mean it as an insult. They take his word for it, but when Luis says he said what he said without insult, he isn't believed.

Also, Evra has changed his story.


Same goes with the second part of the conversation:

Mr Kuyt said that he was very close to Mr Evra and the referee at this time. He said he was "absolutely certain" that he heard Mr Evra say that the referee was only booking him because he was black. Paranoid?

Suarez and Liverpool changing their story every week didn't help things and it showed in the report.

Edited by busbybabe: 1/1/2012 12:19:24 PM

That's not fucking evidence. That's what Evra says happens. There is still no proof.

It has, and always will be, one man v another. And it's ridiculous that he can be charged just on that.


If you are prepared to call that evidence, you must call this evidence also:





Look, it is clear that somebody is lying here. I have no fucking idea who it is, I'm not going to say who I think it is because it doesn't matter. I strongly expect us to take this as far as we can though, fuck everybody.

How very endearing and affectionate.

That's the evidence.

So the FA has released the full reasons for Suarez's ban here Only 115 pages long.

Edited by sydneycroatia58: 1/1/2012 04:04:50 AM

He had 'the most assists over the last three seasons'. So they basically manipulated the stats until they found something they liked about it. What significance does THREE seasons have? And a lot of those came from Young running down the opposite flank to finish his over-hit crosses.

Well there must be some reason you spent 20m on him :lol::lol:

Moneyball stats won't work with football. There's too many variables.

In baseball you can look at the stats and it's broken down in great detail. hit percentage to left handers, hit percentage to right handers, hit percentages for each innings, etc. But there's also the fact that there's only two players influencing that statistic. The pitcher and the batter. There's far more in play in football's statistical analysis.

I don't think moneyball stats work with football, or they don't have the right ones yet.

Excellent crossing? Have you ever seen Downing play? Aside from that he works hard, he's no excellent at anything! Another expensive player who isn't doing anything at Liverpool.

Both players seem increasingly obscene. People keep saying that Carroll is unlucky with his chances. But how can he have been 'unlucky' in EVERY GAME this season? After a while it stops being luck and starts just being poor form.

On the whole I was pleased with the outcome form this morning, but really something more needs to be done up front. I don't know whether Carroll will stand up more with Gerrard in the team more or not.

On a separate note, Steven Gerrard>>>>>>Kenny Dalglish.
Lack of titles should be separate from his ability.

Either the referee was utterly blind & shit or FIFA have changed the laws regarding flailing arms & jumping on someone's shin.
Newcastle deserved 2 straight red cards.

Edited by ozboy: 31/12/2011 03:01:58 PM

Ce la vie re Carroll and Downing, our club and every other club in the world sign players in the hope their past good form carry over into their new club, us supporters get annoyed upset they don't deliver - heck how does chelski fans feel re Torres etcetc these case's are present every season in every league nothing much we can do but b itch ! :d
Downing isn't as bad as Carroll thats for sure and I have he will find his comfort zone sooner or later, Carroll just looks awkard on the ball period whereas Downing is making good runs with the ball but as imno mentions his finally pass or delivery is a 50/50 many times.

Its so frustrating. Downing has had some excellent movement, great dribbling, but his end product has been poor. That said, very unlucky to have no goals or assists - he's been denied by the post at least 3 times.

Bellamy should be starting every game. I know he has bad knees, but he is absolute class. Inspired signing.

Take out heading and excellent and you are spot on.

It's amazing that you spent 55m combined on a striker whose only asset is his height and heading, and a winger with excellent crossing ability, and yet they've completely failed to click and work together at all.