avy1990
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Bradman now > North.
Yeah, theyre different, but whatever :p
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The Doctor
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no actually buggar bradman, he was an arsehole, not even a likeable arsehole, Border + Waugh middle order FTW
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Funky Munky
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What about looking ahead, after this series? Some big changes have to be made IMO, and quite a few people have to be held accountable. Assuming Australia loses the Ashes, I'd pick this squad of 20 as the next touring squad:
Openers: Watson Hughes Marsh
Katich's time is done IMO, and Hughes deserves a second chance. I don't rate Darsh, but he's the next best option, unless you go really young (Nic Maddison) or Really unfit (Mark Cosgrove)
Batting: Ponting Clarke M.Hussey D.Hussey White Khawaja Smith
Dussey is old, but has done everything to deserve a chance. Khawaja and Smith are the future. I'd call this Ponting and Hussey's last tours too. Clarke would most likely be captain.
Keepers: Haddin Wade
Wade over Paine, he's a better batsman and keeper. Haddin the incumbent, though he'll be shifted out soon too.
Bowlers: O'Keefe Hauritz Hastings Harris Siddle Bollinger Copeland Cameron
O'Keefe as your main spinner, Hauritz backup. Hastings/Cameron and Copeland all bowlers for the future showing mass potential, while Siddle, Bollinger and Harris provide (a little) experience.
Sorry for the long post, just thinking out loud.
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sydneycroatia58
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I think Katich still has some more to give. Him and Watson almost always provide a solid start and that's what you want from your openers. Couldn't care less about them getting big scores as long as they keep getting solid starts and seeing off the new ball I don't see a reason to drop Katich.
That being said if Hughes comes in now and really grabs his opportunity I think Katich's time will be up.
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Funky Munky
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It's not so much dropping as I think he will/should retire. He'll be 36 by the time he comes back.
Edited by Funky Munky: 7/12/2010 02:31:33 PM
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Benjo
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No Hilfenhaus Funky? I also noticed a lack of Phil Jaques in the openers. Agree that Hughes deserves another chance.
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Funky Munky
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Hilfenhaus is too much of a one dimensional bowler. He doesn't do much apart from swing it in the right conditions, and you need more than that in a bowler.
As for Jaques, He's had his chance, and hasn't really performed in FC cricket for a couple of years now.
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\:d/ \:d/ \:d/ \:d/ \:d/ \:d/ \:d/
Doherty's gone, North's gone, Hauritz or Smith recalled, O'Keefe has an outside chance, most likely Khawaja or Ferguson in for North.
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sydneycroatia58
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It might just be me but this picture makes me even more pissed off with the collapse this morning. If they could have just held out till lunch without losing so many wickets we'd probably have gotten a draw.
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The Doctor wrote:could we convince Shaun Tait to return for one test? Contracted to t20 for Wellington.
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General Ashnak
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It is absolutely pissing down here. The out of formers only needed to hold on for 3 hours and it would have been a draw.
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Steve Smith certainly did himself some favours today with 4/44 against South Australia. The best bowler though was Moises Henriques. 4/13 off 9 overs.
Copeland got 1/31 off 18 and Mark Cameron 1/18 off 8. Phil Hughes out for 4 certainly isn't gonna help him out:lol:
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Only one man in Australia can save us:  But he's not from NSW :(
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Quote:Ian Botham and Ian Chappell in car park dust-up after Adelaide Test Daily Mail From: Daily Mail December 07, 2010 LEGENDARY cricket enemies Sir Ian Botham and Ian Chappell had to be pulled apart after a furious dust-up in a car park after the fourth day of the Adelaide Test. The England and Australia icons have a feud going back more than 30 years and squared up before their Sky and Channel 9 colleagues intervened. Botham, who hasn't spoken to former Australia captain Chappell since 1980 despite them working in close proximity in cricket ground television booths around the globe, was waiting for his Sky transport to collect him outside the Adelaide Oval, the Daily Mail reported. Chappell muttered something highly provocative as he went past. A surprised Botham turned around to retort: 'What did you say?' When Chappell made another incendiary remark, both of them dropped their bags and were at each others' throats before being quickly separated. Channel 9 News reported tonight that Botham is disputing some elements of the Daily Mail report. A Channel 9 source who works with Chappell said: 'They went for each other all right and it could have got very nasty if there hadn't been people on hand to keep them apart. 'They reacted quickly because we all know the history between these two. They might be aged 55 and 67, but neither of them are the type of people to give an inch in the face of conflict.' The pair have a deep mutual resentment going back to 1977. It started during the Centenary Test at Melbourne in March of that year when an uncapped 21-year-old Botham, playing club cricket in Australia, ended up in the same bar as Chappell next to the Hilton Hotel. The fiercely patriotic Botham objected to the Pommie-bashing comments of passionate republican Chappell, who had recently retired. According to Botham's version of events, he landed a punch on Chappell which sent him sprawling off his bar stool into a group of Aussie Rules footballers, scattering their drinks. Chappell was then chased out of the bar by Botham, who hurdled a car bonnet to get at him. The Australian's version is that Botham had goaded him about not wanting to tour England that year because 'too many blokes are looking to knock your block off' and that 'everyone's looking for you because you're a p****' before pushing him off his chair. Chappell says he then walked calmly out, pursued by a ranting Botham. Since then the pair, despite working together for Channel 9 during the 1998-99 Ashes tour, have only traded insults. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/the-ashes/ian-botham-and-ian-chappell-in-car-park-dust-up-after-adelaide-test/story-fn67w6pa-1225967077912
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:lol: :lol: lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Quote:Pundits say Shane Warne still our best spinner but he won't talk about prospect of comeback Robert Craddock From: The Courier-Mail December 08, 2010 SOME of Australian cricket's highest-powered backers say Shane Warne retired too early. But the master yesterday could not bring himself to talk about the prospect of a comeback. Even at age 41, and four years into Test match retirement, there is still a feeling Warne is the best spinner in the country, though time would short-circuit any dream of an Ashes comeback. Australia's spin bowling stocks are so shallow it is barely worth playing one, and that Warne plans to have one last season in the Indian Premier League means he has not totally cut ties with competitive cricket. "I have always said he retired too early and could still do it," said David Gyngell, a friend of Warne's and now chief executive of Nine Entertainment Company (formerly PBL). "I would love to see him make a comeback. His captaincy skills are exceptional and he could work with Ricky and add a lot to the team. "I have not spoken to Warnie about it but I am sure he could do it if he wanted to." Gyngell's thought are echoed by more than 70 per cent of participants in a Sydney newspaper survey who said Warne should be summoned back to Test cricket. While blogging for News Limited yesterday, Warne declined to answer questions about a comeback. History suggests it would be improbable but not impossible for a leg-spinner to play at Warne's age. Former champion Australian leggie Clarrie Grimmett bowled until his mid-40s, though the game is far quicker now and requires younger, fitter bodies. It would not be realistic for Warne to play in the Ashes because he has not done enough preparation. And he has an obscenely full book of appointments including, according to his Twitter chats, a visit to England later this week. But Australia still longs for a decent wrist spinner. Since Warne retired Australia has tried nine spinners and most of them have been quickly discarded after their shortcomings were brutally exposed http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/cricket/pundits-say-shane-warne-still-our-best-spinner-but-he-wont-talk-about-prospect-of-comeback/story-e6frepmo-1225967228865
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Squad for the 3rd Test: Shane Watson Phillip Hughes Ricky Ponting (capt) Michael Clarke Michael Hussey Brad Haddin (wk) Steven Smith Mitchell Johnson Ryan Harris Peter Siddle Michael Beer Ben Hilfenhaus
There are not enough Facepalms on the internet to do this justice. I honestly just. Michael Beer. FFS. He's played 5 FC games, has 16 Wickets at an average of 39. There is no possible way he can play. But then it begs the question. Why would they have picked him just to be 12th man? Surely Smith has bowled himself into the side. But why pick Beer?
EDIT: Also, can confidently say we'll never see Nathan Hauritz in the side as long as Ponting is captain. The bloke is dropped, Scores 146, takes 3 wickets today, a 5-for AT THE WACA, and isn't picked. The only reason that it could possibly be is favouritism. Ridiculous.
And what a stupid time to announce the squad. I sincerely hope Dave Hussey thrashes a double ton against the poms today, to prove the point.
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Glad to see North gone. Have to agree that Smith has bowled his way into the side, but really Beer?
At least with Hauritz you get a quality spinner who can bat. He scored 146 as a nightwatchmen ffs. That's also coupled with the fact that Hauritz is probably by far our best spinner at the moment.
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Mitchell Johnson? Beer?
:-s
Early Christmas present to the English perhaps?
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General Ashnak
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Selections have just been appalling for this Ashes. Lucky we had the draw in Brisbane because I can easily see England winning 4-0 with the way we are plating and the players selected. We had our moment in the sun in the first innings, that is all over now.
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Also :lol: at Hughes getting selected after scoring 4 off 19 balls over the whole of his 2 innings against SA :lol:
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The Doctor
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who the fuck is Beer.... i think we might have gone early on Smith because in the first innings alot of his wickets we're of the tail order but i think he should be in the team anyway, i agree with you Funky, Dussey has to be considered, poor timing
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I just can't fucking believe how shit the selectors are. I have no words. HILDITCH OUT!!!
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I think I actually saw Michael Beer playing cricket for my local club a few years ago, but it probably wasn't him, I'm pretty sure it was Will Beer who is now actually doing very well in county cricket apparently.
Anyway, I :lol:'d when I saw that squad, I mean seriously, I reckon it must be a massive mistake and Michael Beer is actually in there as 12th man, like how they have local players help carry the drinks sometimes, I know Rhett Lockyear does for the tests at Hobart. I mean, that's the only plausible explanation! :p :lol:
I reckon you lot will line up like this,
Hughes Watson Ponting Clarke Hussey Haddin Smith Johnson Harris Siddle Hilfenhaus
Stupid to drop Bollinger after just one bad performance, like it was stupid to drop Hilfy after the first test, if these sort of selections continue for Australia, they are seriously fucked.
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Bollinger was dropped because he's not fit yet. When fit he's in there 100%. He just needs to get back to some sort of full fitness. You could see by the end of the test how much he had tired out.
Hilfenhaus was dropped because well imo he's just not that great a bowler. There are better options.
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Funky Munky
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Honestly, the Australian selectors have bottled it. Ale be pissed if Beer actually plays
Edited by Funky Munky: 10/12/2010 05:51:55 PM
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Benjo
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Oh Beer, Beer
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Quote:Shane Warne could be next shock Will Swanton in Sydney From: Herald Sun December 11, 2010 TEN minutes before the announcement of the Australian Test squad yesterday, news spread that it contained a massive bolter. The whispers began to grow louder. Surely it couldn't be Shane Warne? The idea of Warne returning to Test cricket started as a joke last week, but it has gained credence. Some people believe Warne will play the Boxing Day Test or the Ashes series finale at Sydney in January. Even former teammate Dean Jones had become a believer. "Warnie, without doubt, no joke, could actually come back," the former Test batsman said on 3AW yesterday. "I'll say this, categorically, because I want everyone to understand it: if Cricket Australia walked up to Shane Warne and said, 'Would you come out of retirement and we'll give you the captaincy for two years?' I know for a fact he would take it. He would play." One of the few disappointments of Warne's career was being overlooked for the Australian captaincy. So Jones was adamant the 41-year-old leg-spinner would take a large bite if that carrot was dangled before him. "With bells on, he'd be running out of his house right now putting on his cricket shoes and putting on the runners to get himself fit," Jones said. "He makes out that it's really, really difficult to bowl leg-spin and do all that type of stuff. But really, he just walks in off three feet and bowls the ball. So it's not too hard. "Let me tell you, he's the Rolls-Royce. He can do anything he really wants in that regard. He just has to get himself fit." Warne flew to London after the Adelaide Test for a promotional appearance for his new television talk show. The media swarmed on him at Heathrow just like they did when he was in his pomp. It prompted him to post on his Twitter site: "Just landed in London. It's freezing and was welcomed by press and photographers asking am I making a comeback? What have I missed?" http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/the-ashes/shane-warne-could-be-next-shock/story-fn67wv6z-1225969229922
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I don't doubt that if he wanted Warnie could probably come back and if offered the captaincy he'd jump at the opportunity. Doesn't mean it'll happen though.
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Funky Munky
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Selectors have confirmed that Beer will play and Smith will bat 6. Oh dear.
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