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Australia thoroughly deserve to lose. They have been beyond crap. Plus England have been excellent. Why have Australia taken it upon themselves to play crap in the most important series. Clarke hasn't had a grip. He has really missed the control Harris brought. Australia's bowling was all over the shop. The pitch map for the fast bowlers was abysmal. Really ill-disciplined. Starc and Johnson can't play in the same XI on English wickets. The wickets are too slow. Australia lose way to much control Siddle needs to replace one of them. The batting has been shocking too. They've thrown their wickets away. Haddin and Watson are passengers these days. They need to make way. The trouble is that Mitch Marsh is an even worse bowler than Watson. So for Mitch Marsh to play, it's impossible for Starc and Johnson to play in the same XI. That means that, even if both are fit, Johnson has to make way for Siddle.
English wickets aren't about outright pace. Clarke should know this. English wickets are about line and length. Find your rhythm and then up the pace. Johnson just isn't suited to English wickets and isn't disciplined enough.
Lord's Test (assuming Starc is unfit):
Rogers Warner Smith Clarke Voges Mitch Marsh Nevill Johnson Siddle Hazlewood Lyon
When Starc is fit:
Rogers Warner Smith Clarke Voges Mitch Marsh Nevill Starc Siddle Hazlewood Lyon
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We looked all over the shop.
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Yah well, that was shit. :lol: Seriously, Watson must have some damaging dirt on the selectors. Why is he being picked? Why has he kept being picked for the last 2-3 years?! Surely there's a young, all-rounder in the Sheffield Shield, that we could bring though. Kudos to Mitch Johnson for chipping in with his valiant knock Was hoping he'd pull a ton.
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Another lbw, another review :lol: FMD. -PB
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The whole team is getting on.
I'm not saying Rogers/Voges shouldn't be getting picked, because they have the runs behind them. But what's going to happen soon is this; Rogers, Voges, Haddin, Clarke, Watson (if he keeps getting picked), even Shaun Marsh (who isn't up to standard IMO) will all be out of the team/retired, then who do we have in line? There doesn't really seem to be a succession plan in place on the batting side of things, can't rely on Smith to carry us all the time.
Who is next? Guys like Joe Burns, Bancroft, Ferguson, Wade, Handscomb and Maddinson had decent shield seasons but they aren't really banging down the door like Voges was.
Nevill needs to come in next test match, same with Mitch Marsh. Batting stocks are worryingly thing in my opinion.
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We hear these arguments about our lack of depth every time we lose but we always seem to find someone new to replace the old (Steve Smith being the latest). I would like to see a more youthful team too but people overreact big time about the team's demise.
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Quote:Force Majuere: who is responsible? Uncategorized July 12, 2015 Leave a comment It is difficult to beat the other lot when they bat, bowl and field better than you. It’s even worse when they cherish and enjoy the contest and your lot turn up looking like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day. Australians lay in bed all over the continent this morning contemplating another loss in England. Or is this the Australian players struggling to motivate ahead of the Test? Both are possible, it seems. Australians lay in bed all over the continent this morning contemplating another loss in England. Or is this the Australian players struggling to motivate ahead of the Test? Both are possible, it seems. Bill Murray in Groundhog Day England comprehensively punished Australia and deserved their victory. They played better than form suggested and Australia – who are still a better team than England for now – were poor and repeated two glaring mistakes of past England tours. They bowled too short and too wide for too long, expecting their quicks to blast people out as they do in Brisbane and Perth, and their batsmen went hard at the ball instead of playing later as the swinging conditions require. Poor preparation? Australia has a problem with slow pitches; they lost seven Test matches in India and England in 2013, and the following year they lost at Port Elizabeth in South Africa and twice in the Gulf against Pakistan. Now they’ve been utterly embarrassed in Wales. Has Australia recognised this weakness or ignored it? Poor execution? Few expected Australia could chase down the 411 set by England but with two days to play (the fifth with rain predicted), many more expected a demonstration of resilience. Perhaps a decent fight that might take them close, at least to 300, and if inclement weather arrived – as it did today in Cardiff – then a draw was possible. But they rolled over and died. As day broke today in Cardiff Australian captain Michael Clarke was last seen running down the street to beg England for one more chance. As day broke today in Cardiff Australian captain Michael Clarke was last seen running down the street to beg England for one more chance. At one for 97 going into the last over before lunch, there were clear nerves and anxiety beginning to show among both England’s players. The huge wicket of Warner on the last ball before the break eased the tension and triggered a force majuere. Within 5 overs the Aussies were 5/106. When Watson departed, perhaps for the last time ever in a Test match, Australia had lost all of their batsmen and were 7/151. It was a disgrace and none of the Australian batsmen took responsibility to resist the superior fight and attitude England brought to the contest. Shane Watson summed up Australia’s approach, he looked encumbered by the world’s problems, trudged about about grimacing and completely failed to lead by example when opportunities arose. His bowling was ineffective and his career looks over. It was a tough gig watching that collapse. Bill, here again, sums it up nicely. It was a tough gig watching that collapse. Although their bowling was erratic on day one Australia actually bowled well in the second innings. Starc was in agony with an ankle injury but steamed in and bowled 145km regularly. He was accused by Shane Warne and others of lacking heart when he left the field on a hot day in Brisbane last summer against India. It seemed this was in the back of his mind and his contribution was admirable. But the damage done is likely to exclude him from the second Test at Lords. Another huge loss for Australia. Suddenly the two men who England’s batters will have studied the most – Starc and Ryan Harris – aren’t playing and Australia will have to go to Peter Siddle. Pat Cummins is the other man on tour but talented as he may be, Cummins is likely to bang it in shorter than any other. The concern with Siddle is that he’s a bit similar to Hazlewood. At least Johnson is still fit. He bowled very well without luck in Cardiff and Cricket Forth predicts that he will lift on the slope in London. There’s a direct correlation between Johnson’s form with the bat and him taking wickets and he scored more (77) than Rogers, Smith, Clarke, Voges, Watson and Haddin combined in Australia’s second innings capitulation. Let’s get back to discussing England though The ICC needs to take action against the ECB because there are clearly different rules for Jimmy Anderson; why is he allowed to use a taped up tennis ball and swing it 2 metres? This guy is a legitimate superstar and must be nearing par with other great swingers like Wasim Akram (and your best mate’s parents, didn’t you know?). The Aussies haven’t got a clue. He was backed up well by Stuart Broad who was quick, extracted bounce where others could not and built the pressure that provided the lesser Moeen Ali and Mark Wood with wickets. Wood is a great find. He has not taken a backwards step against Australia in his third Test and looks a great character and competitor. Ian Bell played himself back into form in the second innings and Ben Stokes has showed Shane Watson what an all-rounder looks like. The series is not over yet though. Now let’s get some sleep before the second Test. https://cricketfroth.wordpress.com/2015/07/12/force-majuere-who-is-responsible/ -PB
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quickflick wrote:Heineken wrote:So England bowled out right at the end of Day 3 for 289. A pretty good effort by the Aussies. For it a little while it looked like Bell and Root were going to go on and put us to the sword, but once we got them out I thought we did well to curtail them to just over 400. So with 2 whole days of batting, we need 412 to win. Seems like a big total, but we've got 2 whole days of batting to do it in. All we have to do is play smart, and it's very do-able.
We've gone from being on the back foot in the first innings, to having an excellent chance of winning this. England will have to bowl really well. There's no reason why we can't go on to win this. England would surely have wanted 500+, and to bat well into after Lunch tomorrow. There's every reason. The wicket is a nightmare to bat on. It would take players like Bradman, Dravid, Steve Waugh, etc. to do it. Unfortunately it's proving to be the case. Edited by quickflick: 12/7/2015 12:39:06 AM to be fair, 400+ is a hard ask on the fourth innings, but the Aussies were crap. No hope if you play like that. For a long time the English batting collapses were made much of in the media, guess what, same crap different team. Play out of form dinosaurs on a slow pitch, conclusion the pitch was sharper so was the opposition. Watson has to go, been a boat anchor for years, dont know why they persist with this out of form player, mentally soft jibes on previous series seem on the money. Mitch Marsh, what does he need to do to get a gig? (besides smashing multiple centuries in lead up games)
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stev0_ wrote:quickflick wrote:Heineken wrote:So England bowled out right at the end of Day 3 for 289. A pretty good effort by the Aussies. For it a little while it looked like Bell and Root were going to go on and put us to the sword, but once we got them out I thought we did well to curtail them to just over 400. So with 2 whole days of batting, we need 412 to win. Seems like a big total, but we've got 2 whole days of batting to do it in. All we have to do is play smart, and it's very do-able.
We've gone from being on the back foot in the first innings, to having an excellent chance of winning this. England will have to bowl really well. There's no reason why we can't go on to win this. England would surely have wanted 500+, and to bat well into after Lunch tomorrow. There's every reason. The wicket is a nightmare to bat on. It would take players like Bradman, Dravid, Steve Waugh, etc. to do it. Unfortunately it's proving to be the case. Edited by quickflick: 12/7/2015 12:39:06 AM to be fair, 400+ is a hard ask on the fourth innings, but the Aussies were crap. No hope if you play like that. For a long time the English batting collapses were made much of in the media, guess what, same crap different team. Play out of form dinosaurs on a slow pitch, conclusion the pitch was sharper so was the opposition. Watson has to go, been a boat anchor for years, dont know why they persist with this out of form player, mentally soft jibes on previous series seem on the money. Mitch Marsh, what does he need to do to get a gig? (besides smashing multiple centuries in lead up games) Mitch Marsh (or James Faulkner) should be in the XI but don't use the warm-up games as any sort of guide. They're against trundlers in Div 2 of the County Championship. Using them as a guide, Daniel Bell-Drummond is very unlucky to miss out for England.
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One of the things that bothered me about the Cardiff Test was that so many of Australia's players seemed to lose their heads. The bowlers (even the very precise Josh Hazlewood) were spraying it all over the place and the batsmen seemed to think they had a mission to hit the ball as far into the stands as possible.
I have a suspect Clarke's man-management skills are to blame (like a few years ago with the homework debacle, the row with Mike Hussey and the altercation with Simon Katich). I think he and Lehmann told the Aussies to go out there and really send England a message. They must have really revved the players up. It was disastrous. Assuming that's true, he should have simply asked for controlled aggression. Clinical bowling and watchful batting.
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Neville in! EDIT: Watto dropped! -PB Edited by paulbagzFC: 15/7/2015 08:13:41 AM
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Also no IPL pay packet for Steve Smith as Royals have been banned for two years from the IPL. -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:Neville in!
EDIT: Watto dropped!
-PB
Edited by paulbagzFC: 15/7/2015 08:13:41 AM Mitch Marsh in for Watto. Nevill in for Haddin who has personal leave. Probably regarding his daughter who has battled health problems recently.
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Best wishes to Haddin, sounds like he's going through some rough times.
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Keen beans for 8pm tonight. -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:Keen beans for 8pm tonight.
-PB History says lose this and the ashes are gone. Huge game
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Won the toss in batting. Gotta put it on today. -PB
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Friggin' stupid shot from Warner. He was destined for a hundred with the start he made
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u4486662 wrote:Friggin' stupid shot from Warner. He was destined for a hundred with the start he made I'm not sure. He wasn't batting well. He wasn't seeing the ball onto the bat at all. So I wouldn't call it a good start and there was every chance he'd fall at one hurdle or another. Having said that, he was starting to find his groove and might have pushed on. He threw his wicket away. Shocking. I have an inkling there's something wrong going on with Warner at the minute. He's very unsettled.
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Excellent partnership between Rogers and Smith at the moment. Smith just got dropped. Hopefully he'll go on and make a ton, likewise Rogers.
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1-191 at Tea. Good stuff. :)
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Tons for both lads. So happy for Rogers. Absolute champion.
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Wonderful and beautiful batting by both Rogers and Smith. Both very deserving of their tons, Rogers playing beautifully and well deserved his 150. Would be amazing if both could make double tons tomorrow.
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Good stuff to wake up to.
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Bet Warner is kicking himself he got out so cheaply now :lol: -PB
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That was probably our best day of cricket in England for ten years. Carnage.
England look a bit weak in the top order with Lyth and Ballance. Especially Lyth - he looked really dodgy against New Zealand a month or two ago.
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Love this. Its great to see a dominant response after the first test.
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TheSelectFew wrote:Love this. Its great to see a dominant response after the first test. But did you see it was dominant because it was measured. The first test was the cricket equivalent of trying down the wing, barging through opposition players, bombing the ball in early and getting as many bodies in the box as possible. Shocking cricket. This test, aside from Warner, they were calm and clinical. The cricket equivalent of lots and lots of one-touch or two-touch football. If they win the Ashes, that will be how. Almost ever delivery needs to be pitched right up and they need to bat smart.
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Great to see Marsh doing well.
Sadly the pie chucking from Starc continues though.
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