It's a crazy idea.... will they force players to play for the district they live in, as well (like they tried to do back in the 1920's)?:lol:

If they tried this in SA, it would be quickly laughed into oblivion....

It's just dog-whistling and scaremongering. If someone truly believes tat in this day and age in Australia, then the problem is with them, not with the football club.



I'm not connected to any VPL club, and only occasionally get to a game, but can see this is a ridiculous idea and a massive assault on the traditional custodians of the game. If FFV do actively go down this path, I hope the VPL clubs do split and go their own way.

Edited by sugoibaka: 22/11/2010 11:19:09 AM

wow thats crazy

I understood the need for a HAL even though don't agree with some aspects of it BUT there is absolutely no commercial or on-field need for a brand new franchise based, regionalised/zone competition to take over from the VPL. The current clubs in the face of massive adversity from those complete FFV criminals(Dunkerly & Rendell) are doing ok, are self sufficient, have junior set-ups, have their own homes and infrastructure etc.

No where in the world are clubs treated with such complete and utter contempt by their own governing body. The FFV are proposing revolution for revolutions sake. It's insane.

2nd tiers in any sport here are for the die-hards, they are never going to be for the masses. There are plenty of clubs black/white/yellow/ugly/smelly/garlicky.... for people to choose to go and watch out in the 'burbs if they're bored on the weekend.

According to the Melb knights facebook page the draw for the new season will be done tonight so wouldn't that mean any 'disbanding' will not take place?

If I was running the FFA I would take this as an opportunity to disband the FFV and get the clubs to create a new body to represent their state.

FFV has been sticking their arm into the S-bend for this idea.

if the ffv gets its way this will be the final vpl season in its current form, they wanna bring in the new comp for the 2012 season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people

:o :-s Fine I take that back, lol, I only brought it up as we have had those kinds of well worn discussions in the past on these forums (not saying you Skeptic), so I just brought that up in case tangents went that way (A-League).

Yes, I understand but seems we don't disagree/what are we arguing about? ...



Oh sorry, that is why I read into the A-League a little, my bad, hehe. Some may interpret the A-League and it's generic clubs that way ('removing the target of bigotry'), but if you weren't then I don't quite follow your point or why you brought it up.



Hehe, take it easy, don't get your knickers in a knot, no worries Skeptic, mayyyyyttee. ;) ;) :p

For the record, yardy yarda, I'd have 'no worries' watching a local state league game and I'm aware many of the teams in Perth's league were formed by migrant communities like, Italian community Perth SC, Swan IC (Swan United now) etc... it's just I don't for reasons, as others have suggested, state leagues don't appeal as much for same reasons the state leagues of Aussie Rules (WAFL), Rugby League or whatever probably don't appeal as much either. Plus, personally, I didn't grow up playing junior football for any of those clubs, if I did, then that may be different. I suppose if I was a more hardcore/more into football fan, then I'd might, heck even work/volunteer for the club on matchdays or something. If I can just catch the odd Glory game, when I can, that is just enough for me.

Hmm IF I was in Victoria though, not sure,IF I grew up there, I'd probably know more the reality, but just moving there, then yeah, stereotypes of the Knights especially, might put me off going to one of their home games, that is again, IF I ever had the urge to go to a State League game. I think South Melbourne not so much, as I've heard and even saw in the latter NSL days how accessible they tried to make the club. Again I stereotype based on ignorance and not to say Knights these days isn't accessible either, nor other clubs or what have you and depends 'where' in Melbourne I would be living too, like Dandenong Thunder might more be an option down SE Melbourne, or Hume City up NW of Melbourne or something - Those kinds of clubs I know very little about, I'd have little worries about, though I'd probably want to find out a little first before going (But that goes for most clubs anyway, if one comes from less informed starting point). BTW Heck, Atleast I as a West Aussie, even know of these clubs, heck, even dare I tread in a thread about VPL football - lol how did I end up here (Grassroots Football section) anyway, lol.

Anyway, most of us football fans, even surely 'macktheknife' we 'truly' know that even if, yeah, some clubs have not the best reputations even as fair or more unfair some of those reputations may be (Through media and even word of mouth), we still know, or would know, of clubs we 'think' we CAN go to watch where we think we don't have to 'live in fear,' similar to 11.mvfc.11's experience, and again, that's the thing with this site - we're all the converted and we ALL know that it isn't like the snippets some of us may've caught on the news in the 90s or something, if some of us were even around then to be seeing that fear mongering rubbish. Basically most of us would be generally 'relatively' more informed about local football and even atleast vague knowledge of our state league's, even if it's just because a few of us played junior football for a club in that area or something. I suppose again, we wouldn't be unlike asking many West Coast Eagles or Dockers fans, how many of their local WAFL clubs they can name etc... And again, we might be relatively more informed about our state leagues, compared to some AFL fans and their relative state league teams etc...

BTW All respect Skeptic, as in respect that you have probably supported the NSL/Australian football it seems for longer than I have even been around perhaps (You said you've been following the sport few decades in one of your posts), so I honestly mean no disrespect.

I'm afraid you're handing out rubber cheques.
So, the descendants of a white immigrant from a foreign country have the privilege of forgoing their ethnicity, be it British Anglo Celt, Germanic Anglo Saxon ect., for a new classification, 'Ethnically Australian', but those descendants of the non anglo immigrants, many of whom also immigrated in the first 50 years of colonisation, cannot forego their ethnicity and be classified as 'ethnically Australian'? That a Brit or Germanic doesn't remain an ethnic Brit and Germanic, but the Chinese or Italian remains ethnic Chinese and Italian, is logic beyond my limited understanding.

You're posted definition the term 'ethnically Australian' is actually the definitive term for 'Anglo Australian'. In claiming an exclusivity for Anglo Australians, you've not only removed all other immigrant descendants, but also the only actual 'Ethnic Australian', Australians. And I'm afraid they aren't white fellas, as much as that might be unpalatable to your personal vision.

Great post.

I tell you what would be really funny: if Sydney Rovers were financially rescued by a 'non-white' race! I think he'd have a heart attack :oops: :oops:

Glory, my attitude has little to do with football. It's the ongoing and tiresome fear-mongering I've watched since I was a young kid. Keeping people in their place,for want of a better description. And I too fell for it till old enough to think independently of an accepted community mindset.

From the time of going to primary school with the kids of Polish refugees that had moved into the community from their initial local refugee camp, and the not to be trusted, exclusion attitude towards those 'New Australians', I never quite understood at the time why I was told to not play with those kids and the "They're just different from us!" reason given.

And as young teen, the council by-laws permitting official segregation of 'Black Fellas' from the white community, town facilities, shops and schools. Officially outlawed by governments since the early 70's, but when a town can still have a 50/50% white/Murri population and the local school has 98% Murri students, (not a guess or assumption, but actual figures)it still exists, but now subtle. The majority of the white kids bus travel to a regional centre or sent to boarding school.

From the continued 'Wog' bashing through to the 'Being overrun with Asians' years, all the way up to the 'Muslims want to take over Australia with Sharia Law' and the enhanced rhetoric of the 'Stop The Boats' in more recent times, i've heard it ad nauseum and it doesn't get any less tiresome.

You think there may be an historical trend implying a less than rational reaction towards those perceived 'different'? Personally, I know there is. As I said, it has little to do with football, other than an often displayed reminder that the above described 'attitude' will continue to be practised and denied in the one breath. By George, we have come a long way over the years, haven't we?

Edited by skeptic: 23/11/2010 12:01:13 PM

Might explain why they are thinking of a zonal style state league, may believe that the stronger state league clubs would be pressing hard to make up that second tier, also explains the FFA's reaction to the NSWPL wanting to make its own changes before the review is conducted.

If it's zonal comprised of State League Clubs, what happens in Western Sydney where Bonnyrigg, Sydney United and Marconi are all a few km's away from each other?

Who's to say they wold all be in the state league, say maybe, sydney united & marconi make the new 2nd tier mentioned in the press release, that would leave the west to be represented by other teams, hell the report may actually call for some clubs to merge, i don't know i only know as much as the press release reveals, its all guess work from then on.

There is nothing in the NCR info that suggests that a zonal system would be the model for the state leagues or in fact the 2nd tier, but i would assume that if the FFV are trying to push ahead with it, then as a stakeholder and MA they would probably raise that as their preferred system.

Then all those clubs play in the zone (you would be mor familiar with district) competition. The best players would in Summer be selected to represent the Zone team/Club which would play in the zone competition. All the clubs in the zone would have the oppurtunity to invest in ownership of the Zone Club. Any profits would be theirs.

Very interesting but why has this been all revealed only since NSWFA decided to move their premier competition to Summer?

Was this going to be in secret?

Is the FFA administration in a bunker or seige mentality? Now re-active rather than pro-active?

Well the FFV will be forwarding their Zone Competition model should be a whole lot of laughs.

Yeah, I'm a massive racist after spending 25 years in Fairfield :roll:

The reason I dislike ethnic clubs is because they split apart the community.

There's no reason that Fairfield couldn't have a club that brings together everyone, instead of splitting it all apart down ethnic lines.

lol at FFV and FNSW trying to pre-empt the evaluation when we all know the future is Queensland

Or any other lines religious for example.

Glasgow rangers and Glasgow Celtic should amalgamate and become Glasgow United and stop splitting support along religious lines.

And I'm sure we can go on and find a lot of clubs around the world that have split cities on religious, class or ethnic lines.

Marconi moves to Ctown = Macarthur Stallions
SU to be the "central west sydney" team at the expense of bankstown and melita
BWE becomes the "south west" team
Blacktown moves to CUA

Geez fellas this topic appears to have reduced to a form of ethnic background arguements.

The bottomline is Australia is one but we are many of many different backgrounds. That's what makes Australia such a fantastic and unique country. It doesn't matter what a persons background is as long they call Australia home we are ALL Australians. Brothers and Sisters standing united to make this proud country what it is today.

Put aside your petty ethnic based arguements and start thinking about "We" as in Aussie brothers and sisters that bleed green and gold from our veins. There is no "Us" or "Them" only "We".

Grow beyond what divides and think about what unites.

Whether you were taking the piss or not, i just went along with your comment.



Off topic here, but for the record, i wish the FFA would can this "greater western sydney" idea of Ian Rowden that allegedly represents the North, South and West. Blacktown, Parramatta, Fairfield etc... they should have their own clubs introduced into a national second tier. These areas each have populations similar to Townsville, Gosford & Gold Coast, and it's football heartland. Maybe in Fairfields case, there are too many teams and not enough interest to properly sustain and support them. Some consolidation would be nice (Sydney Utd, Marconi) as it leverages existing infrastructure + introduce a community owned model. Probably wishful thinking.

The Glasgow rivalry is a great one - but the beauty here is at least they have the population base to support either team.

+1 to Aussiesrus' comment.


And back on topic, i have been informed by a contact that the member clubs of the SA Super League have approached the FFSA that they want to appoint and fund a representive of their choosing to sit at the FFSA Board to operate and run the league - independent of the FFSA. They too are sick of the shit being dished out by them... so you Victorians are not alone.

Hopefully today's news about the FFA reviewing the state leage system will bring positive results. Hopefully.



Edited by redeyerob: 23/11/2010 10:58:20 PM

Wikipedia says there is only 600K in Glasgow or 1.2Mill in the greater Glasgow area and only 5Mil in Scotland. So I think its got nothing to do with Population base rather it is cultural and probably religious rivalry too.

The rivalry is without a doubt a religiously motivated one.

You've got Celtic who are Irish Roman Catholic and support the Irish Republican Army wing who hate:

•   Scots
•   Protestants
•   North Ireland Protestants
•   The British Monarchy
•   Remembrance Day
•   The US

And I think somewhere in that long list they manage to find a small amount of time to hate a football team called Glasgow Rangers ;) :lol: . Of course, it's all vice-versa too.

But what i'm implying is that there are enough Catholics and Protestants to make it work. If you threw in a 3rd club backed by a right wing, U.S. Evangelical Pentecostal, would it work?

Maybe in Arkansas?

:lol: pretty much anywhere through middle America.... but not Glasgow.