There's a lot of talk here about ball work, tactics etc.

But do you guys do during pre season. How much is based around running and how much is done with the ball?

I'm very curious to get an idea and differing opinions.

up to January
Futsal
and
all ball work no running individualised skills ie shooting, passing, chipping and more.

Edited by krones3: 18/1/2012 10:59:02 PM

What age group are you refering to?

Oh sorry I should have specified. Seniors, so 18+.

From experience, most 'seniors' injuries usually happen in first month of 'soccer training' due to players presenting themselves as unfit. Old adage "get fit to play soccer, and not "play soccer to get fit". Basic conditioning is vital prior to upping ball work content. Of less or no importance at younger age groups.

Every task in training should be football related, even in pre-season.

For instance in this state there is still a massive amount of running done without the ball to get fit at senior level (split state league), youth level and junior level. This has no relation to football.

Conditioning can be achieved in technical work. Even running around the pitch with a ball at one's feet, working on changes of pace, keeping one's head up, sprinting with the ball, etc, is much more closely related to football, whilst getting fit.

Conditioning can also be achieved on the training track in 4v4, 7v7 and 11 v11. These permutations of SSGs have width and depth. This is scaffolded from 4v4 up to 11v11.
1v1 and 2v2 can occur with extra players who can't fit numerically into a 4v4, 7v7, etc, until they can be rotated.

The active creation of passing lanes off the ball, creating triangles and diamonds of the ball, when the team is in possession, with hooked and diagonal runs, requires considerable fitness. The ultimate aim is making the pitch as big as possible in possession.

Closing passing lanes down when devoid of possession and making the pitch as small as possible, is hard work too.

Over a 90 minute to 120 minute session, apart from explicit technique and tactical instruction, the players I coach never rest except for designated drinks breaks. It also helps with behaviour management.

Also, conditioning can be achieved in squeezing and half pressing in 4v4, 7v7 and 11v11. Full pressing requires considerable fitness. This is done in context with team positioning.

If one adds the four main moments of play - possession , defensive transition, offensive transition and devoid of possession , this also requires a degree of fitness.

All work my teams do is done with the ball except in SSGs when a team or player doesn't have possession. We strive for 1000- 1200 touches. Probably only 300-400 of those touches are accrued in SSGs. The rest is done in the precursory explicit technique work.

1a. Explicit technical work.
2b. Technique work done in context practising with/against other players. Extra players perform 1v1s, 2v2s. Probably a lot more of 1 in pre-season compared to 2, 3 and 4.

2. 4v4 (extra players perform 1v1s, 2v2s or rondos-2v1s, 3v1s).

3. 7v7 (sometimes by building up from 7v2, 7v3, 7v4, 7v5, 7v6, 7v7). Extra players perform 1v1s, 2v2s or rondos (2v1s, 3v1s).

4. 11v11 (if enough players).


Socceroos have performed similar training routines under Hiddink and Verbeek.










Edited by Decentric: 26/1/2012 06:23:24 AM

Edited by Decentric: 26/1/2012 12:29:04 AM

Outdated concept.


Specific type of ball work can be used for warming up muscles to prevent injury in pre-season.

Concept?

Hardly.

Based on long experience.

And your theory is based on what experience?

European coaching practice.

Now set out your mooted pre-season training regime so others can scrutinise it.:)

http://www.uefa.com/trainingground/training/skills/video/videoid=1578713.html?autoplay=



If these exercises are performed slowly over 10 -15 minutes, non-stop, one is running considerable distances without putting too much strain on the body. At the same time one continues to develop technique on the ball and a player is getting conditioned.

If it is too easy for the player, then one can work on performing all exercises with the head up, plus add some more advanced sequences and dribbling techniques.

Edited by Decentric: 26/1/2012 07:47:41 AM

But zero practical experience on your part.

I admire your consistency.:lol:



Edited by judy free: 26/1/2012 09:06:17 AM

You amaze me. Having no experience yourself with anything other than basic primary age juniors, (and a primary school competition?) you quote senior pre season programmes from Europe then demand others set out their personal senior pre season training programme to prove they know as much or more than you. Why?

It's like your claim of a W-League coach whom won't let you personally critique his training sessions, so he must have something to hide. Dammit fella, your grandiose delusions and self promotion never fail to astound.

Because Judy has said I have limited experience, you believe it.](*,)


As others have suggested, Judy trolls, but never sets out any training regimes. This is a thread on pre-season training. What can you suggest on this topic?

The W League coach at the time I observed him over a season, twice weekly, only had a FFA B Licence. This is little in advance of a FFA C Licence, of which I have done similar theoretical and practical training, via KNVB.

Now like Judy, if you don't want to dissect, scrutinise and analyse training ground paradigms, set out by me or anybody else, which I've done with juniors, youth and now seniors, over 12 years, I suggest you join Judy Free's No Holds Barred Forum, or Anarchy Forum, to immerse yourself in unmitigated Scepticism. ](*,)

As usual you attack a person rather than respond to the content of the post. Anarchy and NHBF await you.

I look forward to you describing your son's pre-season regimen as a former state league player.







Edited by Decentric: 26/1/2012 01:39:00 PM

Coaching kids in infants and primary intra-school competition is what I'd regard as a somewhat limited experience.

But, of course, you are free to believe otherwise.

BTW decentric, I'm currently studying craniotomy techniques on the internet. I'm about 2 hours reading short of performing my first operation. Isn't the internet amazing!

Based on the limited experience you have described, most being primary school teams and kids. Correct?



What the hell? He's a fucking school teacher and nothing else, so what the fucking hell is that silly question about? He's a worthless individual and not up to your standing because he's doesn't coach soccer and self fucking promote on a childish fucking forum?

Now explain yourself, you silly old bastard. :x

How the hell do you get by in the game without copping a regular smack in the mouth as a result of your insulting arrogance?

No.

I've coached youth a fair amount too. Senior experience has been with female players.

You and Judy are derailing a thread, yet again.

Pre-season training regimes are the topic. Interesting that you and Judy both launch personal attacks when there is an opportunity to discuss specific football content. One would assume most posters visit this section to discuss football.

The knives have been out for him even on his tassie mate's web site......to the point where he's often found posting with more than two usernames.

Was his modus operandi on TWGF.......he didn't realise the significance of IP addresses.

I asked you a bloody question re shooting your mouth off with the above comment. Wasn't I forceful enough with my request to gain an answer?

Skeptic, check your PM.

[/quote]What are you some kind of dickhead bully.
Why don't you just fuckoff

Yes, i'm a dickhead bully whom forces answers to a question re a ridiculous and unrelated question in an effort to include my son in a childish dick measuring contest. Particular when the commenter attempts to ignore it. On a forum or off. Now, go away, please.

Edited by skeptic: 26/1/2012 08:01:21 PM

You can fuck off
you got an opinion state it
You disagree with the opinion of others give one of your own.
You have an wish to share your experiences then do so.
But if all you want to do is attack those that do then crawl back under whatever rock you crawled out from.
Mods make this moron akk skeptic disappear..

ps i fucking hate bullies.


Edited by krones3: 26/1/2012 08:08:20 PM

So you'd obviously not do the same in a similar situation regarding a son/daughter? Don't be a girl all your life.

ps i fucking hate whimps. No, i don't actually hate and very, very seldom do, so best change that to 'loathe', please.

All your posts are attacking and abusive.
you should fuck off now

Gee, at least you could be polite about it and say please.

Edited by skeptic: 26/1/2012 08:40:26 PM

oh i seeeeeeeeeeeee
you need to have the last word.
Ok good fine go ahead what ever you want say, post it now, all you like and i will not reply to it
Then fuck off for good




please.

Edited by krones3: 26/1/2012 08:47:06 PM

Skeptic, this has been dealt with off forum and you know it.

You're derailing the thread.

Edited by Decentric: 26/1/2012 09:05:29 PM

I'm answering the other gentleman, thank you. Send me another PM and it will be posted.