Salary Cap Yes or No


Salary Cap Yes or No

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Salary Cap Yes or No

24.24% - 16 votes Yes - the cap should stay it keeps the league fair
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75.76% - 50 votes No - time to let clubs manage there own finances
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Simple question would you keep the salary cap? and why? 
 
 
Me personally I hate the salary cap I understand why it exists but I think it is killing the HAL and is probably the biggest reason the league has stopped improving (possibly only 2nd to a lack of promotion/relegation).

If it was me I’d let the cream rise to the top because all the best leagues in the world are dominated by a few big clubs and us trying to be different is clearly not working. 


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It’s not even a proper cap anymore with all the variables. May as well get rid of it.
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No. It served a purpose that’s long past.

There needs to be some mechanism for financial control (not as absurd as UEFAs FFP) that stops debt ballooning under the wrong ownership but this can be achieved quite simply.

Apart from CFG there’s no club with any real financial clout anyway, even Victory straddle breakeven most years so I don’t think we’ll see a massive change in spending anyway.
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I said yes accident and dont know how to change it 
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Scrap the cap and all the other A-Leagueisms. They aren't helping anything, they are holding the game back.

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Yep, scrap the cap and let teams reach their full potential.

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What we have now is barely a cap

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Keep it. We don't need a broken system where the league becomes an oligarchy where the richer clubs dominate in terms of success on the pitch as well as having power over the other clubs.
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i think the cap is too small. and i think the marquee rule is dumb.

scrap the marquee rule and triple the cap. 

 




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sub007 - 14 Jan 2019 2:52 PM
Keep it. We don't need a broken system where the league becomes an oligarchy where the richer clubs dominate in terms of success on the pitch as well as having power over the other clubs.

agree.i would get nothing out of my team winning because they have more money than every other team combined.  that would be shit for every one.

 




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Waz - 14 Jan 2019 2:36 PM
No. It served a purpose that’s long past. There needs to be some mechanism for financial control (not as absurd as UEFAs FFP) that stops debt ballooning under the wrong ownership but this can be achieved quite simply. Apart from CFG there’s no club with any real financial clout anyway, even Victory straddle breakeven most years so I don’t think we’ll see a massive change in spending anyway.

Agree with this sentiment
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I don't want to keep it because it keeps things fair, i just caught foresee many clubs surviving.

We need 2 division that are self sustaining, then pro/rel and then scrap the cap... i could see that taking 40 years.
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keep the cap but double it to $6 million. scrap all the other loopholes except for one marquee spot. but this marquee spot can only be used to bring in a big fish marquee like a Del Piero or Honda type. 
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Voted yes but I'd prefer to move to a middle option like a FFP system.

If I was completely in charge though, I'd be weird and create a hybrid FFP where it wasn't just based on income but also spending such as infrastructure or maybe junior development. So if you were investing in a new stadium, you were rewarded with the ability to spend more. That way, if a rich owner for instance wanted to increase wages above the team's income, it would also require long-term investments. I imagine I'm "unique" and no one in the world would like this though :)
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Feed_The_Brox - 14 Jan 2019 3:22 PM
keep the cap but double it to $6 million. scrap all the other loopholes except for one marquee spot. but this marquee spot can only be used to bring in a big fish marquee like a Del Piero or Honda type. 

problem is, who decides when a marquee is big fish? this has already been an issue with the ffa.

 




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Kamaryn - 14 Jan 2019 3:26 PM
Voted yes but I'd prefer to move to a middle option like a FFP system.

Scrapping the salary cap and FFP go hand in hand. Can't scrap the cap without bringing in some form of FFP. 
If we must have a cap though, i'd much rather see a strict cap of $10M (no exemptions) than what we have now. Salary floor needs to go as well. Salary floor should simply be based on whatever the min wage is as per the CBA. 
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inala brah - 14 Jan 2019 3:29 PM
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problem is, who decides when a marquee is big fish? this has already been an issue with the ffa.

This. The club should choose who their marquees are.
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Feed_The_Brox - 14 Jan 2019 3:22 PM
keep the cap but double it to $6 million. scrap all the other loopholes except for one marquee spot. but this marquee spot can only be used to bring in a big fish marquee like a Del Piero or Honda type. 

The problem with doubling it is that most clubs would go bust under the current salary cap rules there is a floor to the cap i think it is at  'least 80%' (or something like that) of the cap max needs to be spent on the squad. 

You would have to scrap the cap floor otherwise most sides would go bust ie CCM would be gone in 1 season 

For me i'd be rid of it we dont need it anymore perhaps when the league started it served a purpose but now it just promotes mediocrity where shit players get paid to much and good players leave the league because they get to little and we have this broken marquee system 

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Davstar - 14 Jan 2019 3:50 PM
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The problem with doubling it is that most clubs would go bust under the current salary cap rules there is a floor to the cap i think it is at  'least 80%' (or something like that) of the cap max needs to be spent on the squad. 

You would have to scrap the cap floor otherwise most sides would go bust ie CCM would be gone in 1 season 

For me i'd be rid of it we dont need it anymore perhaps when the league started it served a purpose but now it just promotes mediocrity where shit players get paid to much and good players leave the league because they get to little and we have this broke marquee system 

Most people want the cap floor gone.

The shit players are close to minimum wage. The best players are always going to go to a better league which is a good thing as they get exposed to a higher level of competition. 
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scubaroo - 14 Jan 2019 3:15 PM
I don't want to keep it because it keeps things fair, i just caught foresee many clubs surviving.

We need 2 division that are self sustaining, then pro/rel and then scrap the cap... i could see that taking 40 years.

That will never happen though with a stand alone 2nd div. If the HAL is not self sustaining (which it is not currently) than a 2nd div is going to be even worse off. The transition from 2nd div to a system with P&R with the HAL needs to happen over a fairly short timeline which is carefully planned and set in stone right from the get go. A 2nd div will struggle to gain traction without the carrot of promotion to the HAL directly in front of them. Saying, we'll talk about it when the time comes doesn't work. However if they know that within 5 years (for example), P&R with the HAL will definitely be in place, than far more investment will occur from both 2nd div clubs as well as the HAL clubs. People worry about casualties of such systems, but these casualties are required to enable proper growth.
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I'd say no salary cap for VISAs and a larger cap for Australians. I just dont want to see City buying all of the best Australians and having them sit on the bench. Think removing the cap for VISAs will help us be more competitive attracting players on the world market, more competitive in the champions league while also keeping a spread of the local talent. I'd say allowing for transfer fees is more important at the moment. 
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sub007 - 14 Jan 2019 3:55 PM
Davstar - 14 Jan 2019 3:50 PM

Most people want the cap floor gone.

The shit players are close to minimum wage. The best players are always going to go to a better league which is a good thing as they get exposed to a higher level of competition. 

A lot dont go to better leagues too many are going to the UAE or CSL or other rubbish places for quick cash because the HAL cant complete with those levels of wages mark Milligan is a prime example of a player who never reached his potential because he was chasing money in Asia 

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Davstar - 14 Jan 2019 4:02 PM
sub007 - 14 Jan 2019 3:55 PM

A lot dont go to better leagues too many are going to the UAE or CSL or other rubbish places for quick cash because the HAL cant complete with those levels of wages mark Milligan is a prime example of a player who never reached his potential because he was chasing money in Asia 

That happens as well. Plenty of European leagues can't compete with the cashed up Asian leagues. Cap or no cap, they are still going to outspend us by some distance.
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No. Salary cap is for pussies.

You cannot on one hand want more financial investment into the league, which it is crying out for, and then on another hand place very stringent measures on how an investor spends it and how they spend it.




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Eventually no, and allow transfers and loans to happen which has to happen I.e the Bruno situation would have been resolved by now.

If they do keep it in some form they should allow foreign players to get payed more so it allows to keep the best ones here, like what they do in Holland.

But eventually no until we get the 2nd division up and running where it will create a market for players and coaches to come in and out of the league system.

It’s time our league grows up and moves with the rest of the world marketplace.
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Nup. Handbrake on the game.
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sub007 - 14 Jan 2019 3:55 PM
Davstar - 14 Jan 2019 3:50 PM

Most people want the cap floor gone.

The shit players are close to minimum wage. The best players are always going to go to a better league which is a good thing as they get exposed to a higher level of competition. 

The floor is just min wage. Everything else can be whatever the clubs are willing to pay.
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Burztur - 14 Jan 2019 4:36 PM
sub007 - 14 Jan 2019 3:55 PM

The floor is just min wage. Everything else can be whatever the clubs are willing to pay.

The salary cap floor is where clubs have to spend a minimum of 90% of the cap. My understanding of it is that it doesn't have anything to do with individual wages.
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Scap the cap and salary cap floor. The salary cap doesn't work, the A-league is no more competitive than overseas leagues.
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