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For what it’s worth I would have liked to have seen Mauk given more of a chance in the 10 role , I believe he is every bit as good if not better than O’Shea and would have been the type of player to build a team around going forward , right age 24 compared to O’Shea 32? , even playing 2 10s with O’neill at 6 could have worked if we had better CBs.
as it stands atm there are too many players seemingly on the outer at the club (Mauk , Ingam, COT ,ROD and Mells)must be tough for team morale unless Browney can get a bit of bonding happening.
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+xFor what it’s worth I would have liked to have seen Mauk given more of a chance in the 10 role , I believe he is every bit as good if not better than O’Shea and would have been the type of player to build a team around going forward , right age 24 compared to O’Shea 32? , even playing 2 10s with O’neill at 6 could have worked if we had better CBs. as it stands atm there are too many players seemingly on the outer at the club (Mauk , Ingam, COT ,ROD and Mells)must be tough for team morale unless Browney can get a bit of bonding happening. Can’t argue with that.
If results continue to improve Fowler deserves praise for being a tough coach.
But if results don’t ...
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Is DWH a sub this week? or will he start?. I think he could link up well with McDonald.
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+xIs DWH a sub this week? or will he start?. I think he could link up well with McDonald. Agree with that last part.
Don’t know whether he’ll start though - I don’t think Fowler’s forgiven him for the miscontrol/hand ball combo from a few weeks back that blew a 2 on 1 lol.
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+xFor what it’s worth I would have liked to have seen Mauk given more of a chance in the 10 role , I believe he is every bit as good if not better than O’Shea and would have been the type of player to build a team around going forward , right age 24 compared to O’Shea 32? , even playing 2 10s with O’neill at 6 could have worked if we had better CBs. as it stands atm there are too many players seemingly on the outer at the club (Mauk , Ingam, COT ,ROD and Mells)must be tough for team morale unless Browney can get a bit of bonding happening. I would like to see Mauk given a chance at 10 as well. Your point about the quality of Roar's defenders is valid too, it's annoying to see us having to play with 2 6's to try to protect the weaknesses in central defence, especially when more often than not we defend with 3 CB's and 2 wide defenders.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed.Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... That’s one of the most insane comments I’ve read.
How else can you determine how good/bad a player is if it’s not through objective measurement?
The High Performance Department of a football team, including the ones used for Socceroos and Matilda’s, literally operates off statistics, statistics and more statistics.
The FIFA Coaching licensing system (A -> Pro) even places a heavy emphasis on the correct use of statistics
So in making that statement you’re basically saying the entire football world has got it wrong. Which is a remarkable statement to make. If Aldred makes the most tackles/blocks in the A-league, does that make him the best defender in the league? What stats do you use to determine how good ones positioning is? Aldreds positioning is woeful, but because he he makes the most tackles his the best defender? Nah You’re not arguing with me, you’re arguing against the entire professional football world.
Absolutely insane comment.
And it’s not just football, it’s pretty much every code. You must have seen the film ‘Moneyballs’: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moneyball_(film)which gives a great example from baseball where objective statistical analysis, combined with coaches knowledge/experience replaced good old fashioned “gut feel”.
In football you cannot solely apply statistics to a player to determine how good/bad a player is. Baseball is literally a sport where stats matter most. If your batting average is .300, your a great player, if its .130 your garbage. Most home runs = best player, most goals in football does not equal best player. Matt Priddis won the Brownlow in ALF few years back, because he had most disposals in the season...yet he wasn't even the best player on his team. As I said you’re arguing against every High Performance football Dept from Anfield to Sydney.
It’s insane.
All because O’Shea has some decent statistics too 😂 Compare the chances created Diamanti has to O'Shea. Remember that goal Suncorp where Diamanti whipped in the ripper to Pain for the goal? O'Shea has done nothing half as good. Until I see O'Shea produce magic and on a consistent basis, he is an average a-league player in my opinion. O'Shea is probably a little bit above average, but I agree that he's definitely not on the same level as Diamanti, Ninko, Castro, ABM etc. Has anyone been saying he is?
You yourself actually said "he's the most dangerous attacking player in the league" not that long ago. Didn't he basically say based on goal chances created he was statistically the best attacking player? Different entirely to saying O'Shea is the best attacking player overall and Waz has confirmed he isn't saying that. In general terms anyone who thinks the stats are a minimal or lesser factor in player ratings would surely have no problem agreeing with Waz that statistically speaking O'Shea is at least one of the best this season and yet some posters are simultaneously refuting both the stats and the statement that if the stats are true O'Shea is statistically good. Anyone can agree on elements of an argument and yet completely disagree with the final outcome. That need to refute every part of a statement or opinion, rather than the fact that people simply disagree, is what I think leads to comments about posts just being negative/bitter/hatred or whatever. Yes, however the fact O'Shea is statistically good does not instantly make him a good player. Statistics show PART of the picture. The statistics show his output. Agree it doesn’t show all the picture. And certainly we don’t get to see all the statistics, many of those that matter are not published.
But when his statistics are good, and commentators like Bozza are praising him then criticism needs to have some balance.
Apart from his crap shooting I can’t think of much he dies wrong. For a non marquee Salaried player that’s pretty good. If he doesn't do much wrong, what does he do right? Create chances...but how many are legitimate goal scoring opportunities? Whats his chance creation/per goal ratio? Potentially the lowest in the league. Or do we blame the strikers for not putting the chances away?He takes up almost 20% of the cap, he should be delivering much more. The other day you said Kosmina hates Brisbane so we can't take his comments seriously, maybe Bozza has a soft spot for Brisbane so we can't take his comments seriously? I actually think there’s two problems here: 1/ is Riars transition play from defence to attack is woefully slow 2/ The two forwards finishing has been poor, as has Inman, Mauk, O’Neill so blame O’Shea all you want but to my eye, he’s doing his bit and doing it really well. If he was an aussie player and on lower wage, there wouldn't be an issue with him. Replace O'Shea with Davila and Roar are currently in the top 6. He is in a lower wage.
Mauk, O’Neill, both get paid more than him. More meaningless stats from Waz.
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+xIs DWH a sub this week? or will he start?. I think he could link up well with McDonald. Welcome back! Hard to keep up with all your accounts. :)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed. Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... So the only way we are allowed to judge the Roar is by your subjective standards? If you think they're garbage, to hell with any stats and whatever/whoever else disagrees with your view and your extensive "knowledge of world A-League and world football". There are literally no metrics you would accept that are in conflict with your view. All the fox pundits had predicted Brisbane to finish bottom 3 prior to the season.Brisbane have done nothing this season to suggests they are not garbage. Except the ones who described Roar as a “potential dark horse this season” .... unless that is code for “bottom 3”??? They literally had them all in the bottom 3 when they did there tables. I bet you dislike the strip too. The Puma Roar kit back in the day is probably my favourite Aleague kit to date. Oh wow.......I'm stunned.....something about Bris you like? Is love to know who u support.....is it Perth? love Castro by the way
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed.Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... That’s one of the most insane comments I’ve read.
How else can you determine how good/bad a player is if it’s not through objective measurement?
The High Performance Department of a football team, including the ones used for Socceroos and Matilda’s, literally operates off statistics, statistics and more statistics.
The FIFA Coaching licensing system (A -> Pro) even places a heavy emphasis on the correct use of statistics
So in making that statement you’re basically saying the entire football world has got it wrong. Which is a remarkable statement to make. If Aldred makes the most tackles/blocks in the A-league, does that make him the best defender in the league? What stats do you use to determine how good ones positioning is? Aldreds positioning is woeful, but because he he makes the most tackles his the best defender? Nah You’re not arguing with me, you’re arguing against the entire professional football world.
Absolutely insane comment.
And it’s not just football, it’s pretty much every code. You must have seen the film ‘Moneyballs’: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moneyball_(film)which gives a great example from baseball where objective statistical analysis, combined with coaches knowledge/experience replaced good old fashioned “gut feel”.
In football you cannot solely apply statistics to a player to determine how good/bad a player is. Baseball is literally a sport where stats matter most. If your batting average is .300, your a great player, if its .130 your garbage. Most home runs = best player, most goals in football does not equal best player. Matt Priddis won the Brownlow in ALF few years back, because he had most disposals in the season...yet he wasn't even the best player on his team. As I said you’re arguing against every High Performance football Dept from Anfield to Sydney.
It’s insane.
All because O’Shea has some decent statistics too 😂 Compare the chances created Diamanti has to O'Shea. Remember that goal Suncorp where Diamanti whipped in the ripper to Pain for the goal? O'Shea has done nothing half as good. Until I see O'Shea produce magic and on a consistent basis, he is an average a-league player in my opinion. I’ve got nothing for ya, you want to dismiss statistics contrary to what football as a code does.
If you want me to agree Diamanti is a better player than O’Shea then I agree, he is.
That does not diminish what O’Shea is achieving this season though. Final question, do you think O'Shea would make the starting line up in any of the current top 4 teams? I would say no therefore, Brisbane should release him and find better. That's just f$&$@n comment mate. that means all clubs should release half their players or more and find better? Result ......collapse of the league. i now get where you are coming from and it's pointless discussion with you anymore.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed. Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... So the only way we are allowed to judge the Roar is by your subjective standards? If you think they're garbage, to hell with any stats and whatever/whoever else disagrees with your view and your extensive "knowledge of world A-League and world football". There are literally no metrics you would accept that are in conflict with your view. All the fox pundits had predicted Brisbane to finish bottom 3 prior to the season.Brisbane have done nothing this season to suggests they are not garbage. Except the ones who described Roar as a “potential dark horse this season” .... unless that is code for “bottom 3”??? They literally had them all in the bottom 3 when they did there tables. I bet you dislike the strip too. The Puma Roar kit back in the day is probably my favourite Aleague kit to date. My favourite kit too however the badge was meh. Badge is alot better now.
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+x+xFor what it’s worth I would have liked to have seen Mauk given more of a chance in the 10 role , I believe he is every bit as good if not better than O’Shea and would have been the type of player to build a team around going forward , right age 24 compared to O’Shea 32? , even playing 2 10s with O’neill at 6 could have worked if we had better CBs. as it stands atm there are too many players seemingly on the outer at the club (Mauk , Ingam, COT ,ROD and Mells)must be tough for team morale unless Browney can get a bit of bonding happening. I would like to see Mauk given a chance at 10 as well. Your point about the quality of Roar's defenders is valid too, it's annoying to see us having to play with 2 6's to try to protect the weaknesses in central defence, especially when more often than not we defend with 3 CB's and 2 wide defenders. I'm really not sure it is the quality of the defenders that is making us pay with 2 6's (though if we had one more dominant defender it would help). I think the problem stems from the quality of the 6. O'Neil is just not dominant enough to hold the midfield alone. Neither is pepper, or mauk or akbari or any of our midfielders. They all need that second player there to help out. Throw paartalu or brilante or brattan or first season kristensen in there and we would be fine with a single 6
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+x+x+xFor what it’s worth I would have liked to have seen Mauk given more of a chance in the 10 role , I believe he is every bit as good if not better than O’Shea and would have been the type of player to build a team around going forward , right age 24 compared to O’Shea 32? , even playing 2 10s with O’neill at 6 could have worked if we had better CBs. as it stands atm there are too many players seemingly on the outer at the club (Mauk , Ingam, COT ,ROD and Mells)must be tough for team morale unless Browney can get a bit of bonding happening. I would like to see Mauk given a chance at 10 as well. Your point about the quality of Roar's defenders is valid too, it's annoying to see us having to play with 2 6's to try to protect the weaknesses in central defence, especially when more often than not we defend with 3 CB's and 2 wide defenders. I'm really not sure it is the quality of the defenders that is making us pay with 2 6's (though if we had one more dominant defender it would help). I think the problem stems from the quality of the 6. O'Neil is just not dominant enough to hold the midfield alone. Neither is pepper, or mauk or akbari or any of our midfielders. They all need that second player there to help out. Throw paartalu or brilante or brattan or first season kristensen in there and we would be fine with a single 6 It’s very common to play with two 6’s in 3-5-2, in fact the modern derivative of 4-4-2 with a flat midfield plays with two 6’s. So having two of them is nothing to do with the quality of one (or both) of them - it’s just the latest fad which RF is following fresh out of Pro-school.
Mauk and O’Neil are both inadequate for the role and it causes problems in defence because they don’t screen that well nor do they distribute forward well. Pepper is not really an issue, he’s just a “make shift” fill in player.
Mauk is most likely leaving in a few months and I’d doubt RF would want to extend O’Neill either, both are in the top third salary wise (Pepper being in the bottom third) so that leaves cash for a really good replacement (Brats?) and a sidekick (Pasquale? Akbari?)
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Yes agree with 2 x 6's. Pretty common with 352. It's an extra safety if both WB s are caught further up field and possession is lost and played high quick.
I actually like 2 x 6's and have been using that in senior teams I have coached over last 6/8 years.
But the players need to fit the role and make good decisions.
Nothing wroung with 1x 6 if you've got the man for the job. But I guess most wouldn't play with 1 x 6 in a 352.
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+xYes agree with 2 x 6's. Pretty common with 352. It's an extra safety if both WB s are caught further up field and possession is lost and played high quick. I actually like 2 x 6's and have been using that in senior teams I have coached over last 6/8 years. But the players need to fit the role and make good decisions. Nothing wroung with 1x 6 if you've got the man for the job. But I guess most wouldn't play with 1 x 6 in a 352. I’ve always put two 6’s in there. Either centrally with the CAM more advanced or interleaving them with three 8’s (that tends to behave more like 3-2-3-2 mind you)
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+x+xYes agree with 2 x 6's. Pretty common with 352. It's an extra safety if both WB s are caught further up field and possession is lost and played high quick. I actually like 2 x 6's and have been using that in senior teams I have coached over last 6/8 years. But the players need to fit the role and make good decisions. Nothing wroung with 1x 6 if you've got the man for the job. But I guess most wouldn't play with 1 x 6 in a 352. I’ve always put two 6’s in there. Either centrally with the CAM more advanced or interleaving them with three 8’s (that tends to behave more like 3-2-3-2 mind you) Nothing wrong with posting 2 dms, The problem is that with the players we have we are essentially playing 2 in the role of one player because they are so weak. We are having to drop akbari/O'Shea back into the dm role and even then with pepper and previously with O'Neil along side then they are only just doing the job of one strong dm, and it weakens our attack. You could easily replace pepper and whoever plays beside him with one player allowing for more of an attacking outlet
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6th place! Cop that NostradamusC :)
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+x6th place! Cop that NostradamusC :) Above Adelaide United now, but hey its all just luck ;) :laugh:
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On a more practical note - we stopped doing anything going forwards somewhere in the minutes after Macca went off. Could have lost another game quite easily, but got the win. Muratovic is afraid of contact - he just will not contest a ball.
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You could say Roar were lucky......not to score the goal.......but lucky CCM didn't score in that scrap in Roars 6 yard box.
Credit to Neville for having the desperation to get the ball and cross it.....couple passers later It's in the net.
Many orhers would have given it up.
Nevertheless it was a 50/50 game and Brisbane with more better chances got the points.
CCM may feel hard done by as they had good periods but never really created enough clear chances, but it could have gone either way.
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Waz
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I coached a 0-0 on the worlds bumpiest pitch (I hate preseason pitches) and would have paid good money for an 86th minute own goal 😂 I watched the Kayo Mimi-Match back which clearly doesn’t tell the whole story despite Roar having nearly 55% of the possession and most shots on target.
Mini-observations:
* Roar should have “won” the first half.
* Mariners “should have won the second”
* Roar were more energetic going forward, but need McDONALD it seems to do that. Holloway offers nothing
* Young could/should win save if the week for the 4th successive week.
* Brown deserves that goal. Not sure why it’s an o.g.
So five games unbeaten, 3 wins in the last five, back to back away wins, back to back clean sheets, and now we’re closer to second place than last place.
Needs to go 5-4–1 v Sydney. And pray.
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+xI coached a 0-0 on the worlds bumpiest pitch (I hate preseason pitches) and would have paid good money for an 86th minute own goal 😂 I watched the Kayo Mimi-Match back which clearly doesn’t tell the whole story despite Roar having nearly 55% of the possession and mist shots on target.
Mini-observations:
* Roar should have “won” the first half.
* Mariners “should have won the second”
* Roar were more energetic going forward, but need McDONALD it seems to do that. Holloway offers nothing
* Young could/should win save if the week for the 4th successive week.
* Brown deserves that goal. Not sure why it’s an o.g.
So five games unbeaten, 3 wins in the last five, back to back away wins, back to back clean sheets, and now we’re closer to second place than last place.
Needs to go 5-4–1 v Sydney. And pray. I agree with your points Waz. What you (luckily) missed was a long period in the second half where we did not do anything when we had the ball. It seems a bit like Robbie has told the team to make more effort in the first half to control the game and the team are running out of legs too soon in the game. My mate Longbottom had a very good game in defence tonight - no doubt with errors or mistakes but putting in the vital touch a few critical times. Muratovic was basically invisible - he runs alongside the play rather than making it. DWH makes much more difference coming on later than starting. Full of energy but his concrete boots cancel out a lot of energy by other players when we are building - and the lost momentum hurts more when the team effort is being poured into going forward.
When I wear their colours, I am the club.
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Waz
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I posted this earlier this week: CONTRAST | Comparing the first half of last season to the first half of this season: 2018/19 Season Start: P13 W1 D4 L8 GF15 GA26 7 points 2019/20 Season Start: P13 W4 D4 L5 GF15 GA19 16 points
Literally R14 last season was a 1– 1 draw away to Mariners, a Luke DeVere goal, taking Roar to 8 points.
So the contrast on the two seasons grows ...
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A weird game.
I missed the last ten minutes and if soemone had said CCM had won,it would not have surprised me at all.
In the second half after SM went off ,we barely created a chance and CCM looked like they would score.Then somehow we score and win.
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City and Glory scored zero tonight Doesn't that mean that their AMs are shite...? If you see where I'm coming from ;)
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Waz
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+xCity and Glory scored zero tonight Doesn't that mean that their AMs are shite...? If you see where I'm coming from ;) The trolls won’t return until AFTER the AU game now lol
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+x+x6th place! Cop that NostradamusC :) Above Adelaide United now, but hey its all just luck ;) :laugh: Hit the post, again, another heroic save from Young and you score off a deflection. No luck there, obviously.
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Waz
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+x+x+x6th place! Cop that NostradamusC :) Above Adelaide United now, but hey its all just luck ;) :laugh: Hit the post, again, another heroic save from Young and you score off a deflection. No luck there, obviously. No, if they’d been “lucky” Inman would have completed a hat trick in the first half.
Over the first five rounds Fowler was claiming his side were “unlucky” but it was dismissed on these pages as excuses so it’s ironic we’re now considered “lucky”
in real terms this squad must be feeling really good about themselves - not least because they’ve won two games 1-0 where their opponents have hit the woodwork and Young has pulled out a save-of-the-week. You can’t buy that feeling, it just happens.
“Luck” is a funny old thing. All sides need it, or at least need to think they have it - and that’s where Roar are right now
Just a pity they have Sydney away next week. That’s actually unlucky.
But the following week at home to Adelaide then away to Western Utd - two cracking games where Roar can start to push in to the 6 by beating the two sides immediately above them .... let’s just hope they’re lucky.
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+x+x+x6th place! Cop that NostradamusC :) Above Adelaide United now, but hey its all just luck ;) :laugh: Hit the post, again, another heroic save from Young and you score off a deflection. No luck there, obviously. Obviously I was making the post in jest after seeing other posters, I have been a record for a while now saying the quality of the squad and overall quality on the pitch bar a couple players has been poor but then you have to question if Roar are that shit as people say what does that say about the other teams?
There does come a point though when you keep hearing the same boring posts about "luck" as a way to disregard the form of Brisbane Roar, they are undefeated in 5 games now, in the best form behind Sydney Fc,Perth Glory and Nix.
I think some people will always hate us for some reason no matter what brisbane do this season, but they are free to be miserable.
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Waz
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+x+x+x+x6th place! Cop that NostradamusC :) Above Adelaide United now, but hey its all just luck ;) :laugh: Hit the post, again, another heroic save from Young and you score off a deflection. No luck there, obviously. Obviously I was making the post in jest after seeing other posters, I have been a record for a while now saying the quality of the squad and overall quality on the pitch bar a couple players has been poor but then you have to question if Roar are that shit as people say what does that say about the other teams?
There does come a point though when you keep hearing the same boring posts about "luck" as a way to disregard the form of Brisbane Roar, they are undefeated in 5 games now, in the best form behind Sydney Fc,Perth Glory and Nix.
I think some people will always hate us for some reason no matter what brisbane do this season, but they are free to be miserable.
The only other time I can remember such hostility towards Roar was Aloisi the “Dads Army” days ... incredibly Glory and Western Utd make Aloisi’s Roar look young and not a peep strangely enough?
Bottom line is Roar are better than the trolls think, way better in fact but there’s no sport in that, and it is purely “for the sport” that the usual suspects keep posting because - if they do know anything about football and I think they do - they don’t bring it to bear in debates on Roar.
It is at least adding a back storey to this season, we’ll all be longing for the banter in the loooooooong loooooooong winter that’s just around the corner.
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+xCity and Glory scored zero tonight Doesn't that mean that their AMs are shite...? If you see where I'm coming from ;) They get a pass, they have the correct passports ;)
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