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bohemia
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer. Compromise i support is just having a rule that a league clubs cant get relegated below the nst They've already had the compromise for 20 years and done nothing with it. Compromising now isn't a brand new thing that's hip and cool and never been tried before.
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grazorblade
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer. Compromise i support is just having a rule that a league clubs cant get relegated below the nst They've already had the compromise for 20 years and done nothing with it. Compromising now isn't a brand new thing that's hip and cool and never been tried before. not trying to be difficult but not sure what you mean by saying there has been a compromise for 20 years? It's been a closed league for 20 years not a compromise?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer. Compromise i support is just having a rule that a league clubs cant get relegated below the nst They've already had the compromise for 20 years and done nothing with it. Compromising now isn't a brand new thing that's hip and cool and never been tried before. not trying to be difficult but not sure what you mean by saying there has been a compromise for 20 years? It's been a closed league for 20 years not a compromise? Grazor, ur being difficult now!
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HappyGuus
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer. Compromise i support is just having a rule that a league clubs cant get relegated below the nst I don't think they even need to do that. If the top two divs have 16 teams each, there would have to be 30 teams better than an APL team for them to be relegated... I can't see that happening, at least in the next decade. And if they are that rubbish then they should get what they deserve, really. We should've done the aggressive expansion a decade ago and had the NST well bedded in by now. So frustrating.
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grazorblade
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer. Compromise i support is just having a rule that a league clubs cant get relegated below the nst I don't think they even need to do that. If the top two divs have 16 teams each, there would have to be 30 teams better than an APL team for them to be relegated... I can't see that happening, at least in the next decade. And if they are that rubbish then they should get what they deserve, really. We should've done the aggressive expansion a decade ago and had the NST well bedded in by now. So frustrating. I agree its frustrating the compromise would be just to make it happen, as you say it would just be something on paper that probably wouldn't affect anything real but might grease the wheels
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HappyGuus
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer. Compromise i support is just having a rule that a league clubs cant get relegated below the nst I don't think they even need to do that. If the top two divs have 16 teams each, there would have to be 30 teams better than an APL team for them to be relegated... I can't see that happening, at least in the next decade. And if they are that rubbish then they should get what they deserve, really. We should've done the aggressive expansion a decade ago and had the NST well bedded in by now. So frustrating. I agree its frustrating the compromise would be just to make it happen, as you say it would just be something on paper that probably wouldn't affect anything real but might grease the wheels Yeah true, it would give the APL clubs security, although probably unnecessary. But the federation clubs and their supporters would never let up about it, no different from how it is now. This goes towards the "earning respect" factor, it has to be as legitimate as possible.
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