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Benjamin wrote:Roar #1 wrote:SoccerLogic wrote:Here's my idea for a B-League, basically ready to go for next season.
LEAGUE STRUCTURE
12 Team B-League split into two conferences.
The top 6 Victorian teams will be in the 'Victorian' Conference.
The top 6 NSW Teams will be in the 'NSW' Conference.
Teams will play teams from their conference twice.
Teams will play teams from the other conference once.
The season will consist of 16 regular season rounds and a grand final between the conference champions held at the leading point scorer's home ground.
PROMOTION AND RELEGATION
The state champions from Victoria/NSW will replace the wooden-spooners from the relevant conference.
Season from September to December.
Teams promoted from State Leagues will have 12 months to prepare for the B-League
Teams relegated from State Leagues will have 3 months to prepare for State Leagues.
OPERATIONS IMPACT
B-League junior clubs in the NPL system will continue to play in the system uninterrupted only the senior team will experience changes to their season as per promotion/relegation.
BENEFIT TO A-LEAGUE
The B-League will help bridge the gap between A-League and State Leagues, improving the player and coaching talent pool.
A-League teams will be able to loan players to the B-League for the start of the A-League season.
A-League teams will be able to sign in form B-League players in the January transfer window. What's the point if it only involves clubs from 2 states? Isn't really an improvement from what currently happens If it is made clear that the clubs in this league represent the 2nd division, then it's likely that quality players will prioritise signing for them over any other state leagues, raising standards across the board. Geography isn't important - playing quality below the A-League, a genuine talent pathway, is what matters. Promotion/relegation is a red herring. But doesn't that happen already, the better clubs attract the better players.
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SoccerLogic
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Roar #1 wrote:Benjamin wrote:Roar #1 wrote:SoccerLogic wrote:Here's my idea for a B-League, basically ready to go for next season. [deleted] What's the point if it only involves clubs from 2 states? Isn't really an improvement from what currently happens If it is made clear that the clubs in this league represent the 2nd division, then it's likely that quality players will prioritise signing for them over any other state leagues, raising standards across the board. Geography isn't important - playing quality below the A-League, a genuine talent pathway, is what matters. Promotion/relegation is a red herring. But doesn't that happen already, the better clubs attract the better players. No where near the extent it should happen. There are over 100 NPL clubs making up Australia's "second division". This huge pool of clubs makes it incredibly difficult to move to a "better club" because there is no adequate platform for these clubs to prove this across state lines. And this is just from the player's end. From an A-League club's perspective, how can coaches be expected to keep tabs on over 100 NPL clubs to find talent. It's like a needle in a haystack, meaning domestic semi-pro players are effectively shut out of furthering their careers.... and it's much much worse for coaches...
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Roar #1 wrote:Benjamin wrote:Roar #1 wrote:SoccerLogic wrote:Here's my idea for a B-League, basically ready to go for next season.
LEAGUE STRUCTURE
12 Team B-League split into two conferences.
The top 6 Victorian teams will be in the 'Victorian' Conference.
The top 6 NSW Teams will be in the 'NSW' Conference.
Teams will play teams from their conference twice.
Teams will play teams from the other conference once.
The season will consist of 16 regular season rounds and a grand final between the conference champions held at the leading point scorer's home ground.
PROMOTION AND RELEGATION
The state champions from Victoria/NSW will replace the wooden-spooners from the relevant conference.
Season from September to December.
Teams promoted from State Leagues will have 12 months to prepare for the B-League
Teams relegated from State Leagues will have 3 months to prepare for State Leagues.
OPERATIONS IMPACT
B-League junior clubs in the NPL system will continue to play in the system uninterrupted only the senior team will experience changes to their season as per promotion/relegation.
BENEFIT TO A-LEAGUE
The B-League will help bridge the gap between A-League and State Leagues, improving the player and coaching talent pool.
A-League teams will be able to loan players to the B-League for the start of the A-League season.
A-League teams will be able to sign in form B-League players in the January transfer window. What's the point if it only involves clubs from 2 states? Isn't really an improvement from what currently happens If it is made clear that the clubs in this league represent the 2nd division, then it's likely that quality players will prioritise signing for them over any other state leagues, raising standards across the board. Geography isn't important - playing quality below the A-League, a genuine talent pathway, is what matters. Promotion/relegation is a red herring. But doesn't that happen already, the better clubs attract the better players. Yes but it's not happening quickly enough to make one league significantly better. There is still too much talent spread across the state leagues and this would not only consolidate that but also the talent currently within the NSWNPL and NPLV. The best of Victorian players would be fed into teams like Knights, Souths, Heidelberg as well as picking up interstate players who are good enough to step up a level but not good enough to make A-League (Braedyn Crowley and ). You might have an issue with this suggestion not including Queensland, which is understandable, but there is probably only 1 or 2 clubs in the state that probably afford to actually pay their way into such a comp. The other issue is that their participation would make the whole thing more expensive. If the FFA went to clubs in NSW and Vic and said "You can start a combined league if you pay for it.", there is no doubt that they would would get at least 6 takers from each state and it would be off the ground in less than 12 months.
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missed out on the recent speculation, can someone update me with the order for this week, is it ? south Sydney Canberra south Melbourne south Brisbane/ wellington
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Iridium1010 wrote:ozkickrz wrote:https://aleagueexpansion.wordpress.com/ Will add to OP. Not so sure about some of those names though. Thanks for the effort Edited by iridium1010: 5/11/2015 07:31:46 PM Yeah the names are just ideas, the cities are the main point, tried to be a bit original though.
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HeyItsRobbie wrote:ozkickrz wrote:https://aleagueexpansion.wordpress.com/ fireballs sounds too Murican Yeah need a better name
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TheSelectFew wrote:Bondi waves. What the fucking fuck? Yeah names are weird butnthe idea is the structure the names are irrelevant
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williamn wrote:ozkickrz wrote:https://aleagueexpansion.wordpress.com/ Bondi Waves and Sydney FC to start up a new rivalry bigger than the sydney derby. Haha yeah still not sure about the names though
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RedKat wrote:azzaMVFC wrote:St George Athletic has a good ring to it, don't mind that one.
Although, I much rather Wollongong Wolves and Canberra United/Athletic :) Athletic is such a dumb name when theyre not a greater sporting club Names are just ideas the main point is the cities and league structure
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if there are good clubs in WA, SA, TAS, ACT, QLD, NNSW etc that have ambition to raise their standards and improve with tougher competition they should not be hamstrung if a 12 team national 2nd division is introduce. It shouldn't just have to be the NSW/VIC teams if there are better run clubs found elsewhere.
I get the travel costs but if this a template moving forward to one day introducing a promotion/relegation system in the 20-50 year time frame then they may as well get use to travelling as well since they would be doing this in the A-League anyway.
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Timmo wrote:
if there are good clubs in WA, SA, TAS, ACT, QLD, NNSW etc that have ambition to raise their standards and improve with tougher competition they should not be hamstrung if a 12 team national 2nd division is introduce. It shouldn't just have to be the NSW/VIC teams if there are better run clubs found elsewhere.
I get the travel costs but if this a template moving forward to one day introducing a promotion/relegation system in the 20-50 year time frame then they may as well get use to travelling as well since they would be doing this in the A-League anyway.
Exactly. Travel costs will be the main thing holding back a national 2nd Div. If all the other ducks could be lined up (sponsorship etc) I would see the 2nd Div including the better run state NPL clubs on a semi-pro basis. The salary would remain the same with the travel costs having to be covered. If there could be a telecast deal to cover this then there is no real impact on the bottom line for these clubs. This would negate the need to have a Vic/NSW based 2nd Div which is not a national 2nd Div.
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I like Ned keeps trying.
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"It'll be good for Livo because like....um.....it'll get more people"
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It's not happening.
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scott21 wrote:I like Ned keeps trying.
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"It'll be good for Livo because like....um.....it'll get more people" im all for it though but i think its a pipedream. but i can see the colours though. white shirt and black shorts for home and all red for away Edited by heyitsrobbie: 2/12/2015 02:40:04 AM
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HeyItsRobbie wrote:
im all for it though but i think its a pipedream.
but i can see the colours though. white shirt and black shorts for home and all red for away
Edited by heyitsrobbie: 2/12/2015 02:40:04 AM
I dont think it would be good to have black white and red, considering they are your colours. I'm hoping when Cronulla get a team they play in white green and yellow/gold. White being the main colour, this is to emphasize the Straya and Melbourne City use sky blue and its one of sfcs colours. Even if they are an extension the existing football team (doubtful) I would like to see them change colours. Similar to this  So it doesnt look like the Socceroos home kit Liverpool I would use Bradford City colours  or Hearts away with some yellow chucked on 
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melbourne_terrace wrote:
Yes but it's not happening quickly enough to make one league significantly better. There is still too much talent spread across the state leagues and this would not only consolidate that but also the talent currently within the NSWNPL and NPLV.
The best of Victorian players would be fed into teams like Knights, Souths, Heidelberg as well as picking up interstate players who are good enough to step up a level but not good enough to make A-League (Braedyn Crowley and ).
You might have an issue with this suggestion not including Queensland, which is understandable, but there is probably only 1 or 2 clubs in the state that probably afford to actually pay their way into such a comp. The other issue is that their participation would make the whole thing more expensive.
If the FFA went to clubs in NSW and Vic and said "You can start a combined league if you pay for it.", there is no doubt that they would would get at least 6 takers from each state and it would be off the ground in less than 12 months.
This is a good starting point. I would see a problem in that teams that participate in this league may be eventually dropped from it. I would still propose long term to have 20 teams (fixed) split into 2 division. They would all still be playing under the A-League umbrella so all the capitals would have a team. The same as Soccer Logic wrote , you play teams in your division twice then the other once. 28 games plus finals/play offs.That way when teams are in different divisions the still play each other (at least once per season). With the addition on Sydney and Melbourne teams there would be a continuation of derbies. Division 1 Retain the top 6 finals format. 7 (safe) 8 v 9 (loser players relegation battle) 10 relegated Division 2 1 up 2 v 7 3 v 6 4 v 5 then loser 8 v 9 div 1 joins three winner to play off It is generous in participation because teams down the bottom I feel need a carrot (if not for them but for the fans). I do feel that a syd/mel league (fixed) would be the only possible way forward. Eventually you could look into other areas, but it needs a starting point. Please note this only works if people dont act like terrorists Edited by scott21: 3/12/2015 12:42:46 AM
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scott21 wrote:Its a shame. I think 10000 would be fine and I would like for such a stadium to have permission to use astroturf (given the climate) . I remember we played in Norway against a team in the Royal League when it was still on  Something like this that was indoor, could be used for concerts too and was pretty much connected to the casino would be great. Dont know how much tv revenue a team like that could generate but if they were owned by Aquis they wouldnt have any financial trouble as the guys would most probably be looking for goodwill in the community. Quote:Cairns A-League team could hinge on resort and casino plan
If development goes ahead, stadium and team could be funded by Aquis
Cairns will host game between Brisbane and Wellington this weekend
Far North Queensland Heat played in the FFA Cup in 2014.
Far North Queensland Heat played in the FFA Cup in 2014. Photograph: Brendon Thorne/Getty Images
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A-League football could yet return to Cairns on a permanent basis if the Queensland Government approves plans for an $8.15 billion integrated resort and casino in the city’s north.
Aquis, the Hong Kong company behind the proposal and the major sponsor of state league team Far North Queensland Heat, is expecting to hear back in February whether Australia’s largest tourism development will receive the green light.
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If it does, Aquis is understood to be ready to help fund a purpose-built rectangular stadium in Cairns and an A-League bid.
It provides an interesting backdrop as Cairns prepares to host its first ever national league game on Saturday between Brisbane Roar and Wellington Phoenix at Cazalys Stadium.
Money for the A-League bid and the stadium would come from a community benefit fund, bankrolled by Hong Kong billionaire Tony Fung and set up to help sweeten the deal for Aquis.
Aquis became the FNQ Heat’s major sponsor in March 2014, and at the time chief executive Justin Fung publicly declared their intention to help secure Cairns an A-League team.
That commitment has not waivered, despite the approval process for the project having stalled for the last 18 months and recent issues surrounding the junior structures of the FNQ Heat, who play in the Queensland National Premier Leagues and have twice qualified for the FFA Cup.
FNQ Heat chairman Colin Daly said the “context” of the Aquis sponsorship, which expires in February, will be defined by their development approval. “We’re still very much in touch with them,” Daly told AAP.
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FFA’s receptiveness to a Cairns bid is another matter. While the governing body might prefer teams in higher-density urban areas, it would be hard for them to turn away from Aquis’ riches and the opportunity for football to benefit from what is seen as a game-changing development.
Asked if, despite FFA’s clear desire for new teams in major cities, Cairns could support its own A-League team one day, Daly said: “I think it could, certainly at the NPL level and we’d like to think in time at an A-League level - and this is excluding Aquis.”
“If Aquis comes in it’s a laydown misere, they promise it all. I believe this region will become strong and will have more and more ability to do that provided we get the game right here and promote it well collectively.”
Aquis has also purchased resort and casino properties in Canberra and on the Gold Coast and followed those investments by sponsoring Super Rugby’s Brumbies and the NRL’s Titans with rich front-of-shirt deals.
It is understood A-League chief Damien de Bohun met with Aquis representatives last year during a visit to Cairns. Cairns mayor Cr Bob Manning is also pushing for a new rectangular stadium and intends to have one built by the end of his next term if he is re-elected next year. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/dec/10/cairns-a-league-team-could-hinge-on-resort-and-casino-plan?CMP=share_btn_tw I have no problem with astrotruf, the quality these days is amazing plus Cairns would be able to hold concerts and events in there. But most important you would not be affected by weather heat/storms. But no new evidence really and just self promoting because of the A-League match.
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scott21 wrote:HeyItsRobbie wrote:
im all for it though but i think its a pipedream.
but i can see the colours though. white shirt and black shorts for home and all red for away
Edited by heyitsrobbie: 2/12/2015 02:40:04 AM
I dont think it would be good to have black white and red, considering they are your colours. I'm hoping when Cronulla get a team they play in white green and yellow/gold. White being the main colour, this is to emphasize the Straya and Melbourne City use sky blue and its one of sfcs colours. Even if they are an extension the existing football team (doubtful) I would like to see them change colours. Similar to this So it doesnt look like the Socceroos home kit Liverpool I would use Bradford City colours or Hearts away with some yellow chucked on a white/green/yellow kit wouldnt appeal to anyone in the south. if anything it is a mockery of the cronulla riots. idk where u found red/yellow for liverpool. liverpool council's colours are blue/green, macarthur rams wear maroon, in liverpool, liverpool rangers and liverpool olympic wear blue. id work with some of those colours for a south-west team.
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williamn wrote:
a white/green/yellow kit wouldnt appeal to anyone in the south. if anything it is a mockery of the cronulla riots.
idk where u found red/yellow for liverpool. liverpool council's colours are blue/green, macarthur rams wear maroon, in liverpool, liverpool rangers and liverpool olympic wear blue. id work with some of those colours for a south-west team.
Are Sydney people really so precious? As for a team in Cronulla, they cant wear sky blue. According to the rules they wouldnt support red and white or any other colour combo that any nrl team has. Green and yellow would be a reflection of the importance Botany Bay has on Australia today. The stadium is on Captain Cook Drive.... AUSTRALIS FC - (Southern Football Club) or AUTRALIS ROVERS FC Just makes sense Edited by scott21: 11/12/2015 04:12:44 AM
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Interview with Sutherland Shire Football Association president Wayne Schweickle about A-League side on audio https://cameronreddin.wordpress.com/2015/10/27/sutherland-shire-a-league-side-more-fact-than-fiction/
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Need more derbies Marconi, South Melbourne, Southern Sydney in 
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Anyone else finding it a bit interesting and coincidental that clubs are changing their names to represent their cities. Palm Beach to Gold Coast City, South Coast to Wollongong, COE to Canberra United? Would all make good locations imo.
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TheSelectFew wrote:Anyone else finding it a bit interesting and coincidental that clubs are changing their names to represent their cities. Palm Beach to Gold Coast City, South Coast to Wollongong, COE to Canberra United? Would all make good locations imo. I'm waiting for NQ, FNQ and SWQ to end this abortion that is vague geographic names.
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melbourne_terrace wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Anyone else finding it a bit interesting and coincidental that clubs are changing their names to represent their cities. Palm Beach to Gold Coast City, South Coast to Wollongong, COE to Canberra United? Would all make good locations imo. I'm waiting for NQ, FNQ and SWQ to end this abortion that is vague geographic names. Now that you put all those teams together it looks like prototype teams. Cringe.
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TheSelectFew wrote:melbourne_terrace wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Anyone else finding it a bit interesting and coincidental that clubs are changing their names to represent their cities. Palm Beach to Gold Coast City, South Coast to Wollongong, COE to Canberra United? Would all make good locations imo. I'm waiting for NQ, FNQ and SWQ to end this abortion that is vague geographic names. Now that you put all those teams together it looks like prototype teams. Cringe. CQ used to play but folded.
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scott21 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:melbourne_terrace wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Anyone else finding it a bit interesting and coincidental that clubs are changing their names to represent their cities. Palm Beach to Gold Coast City, South Coast to Wollongong, COE to Canberra United? Would all make good locations imo. I'm waiting for NQ, FNQ and SWQ to end this abortion that is vague geographic names. Now that you put all those teams together it looks like prototype teams. Cringe. CQ used to play but folded. Yeah but i wouldnt be shocked if they came back tbh. Lot of upset people. Me included.
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SWQ is the most offensive name. Even Ipswich are called Western Pride , which sounds like a gay cowboy
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melbourne_terrace wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Anyone else finding it a bit interesting and coincidental that clubs are changing their names to represent their cities. Palm Beach to Gold Coast City, South Coast to Wollongong, COE to Canberra United? Would all make good locations imo. I'm waiting for NQ, FNQ and SWQ to end this abortion that is vague geographic names. Nothing wrong with FnQ.
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