HortoMagiko
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+xWhy the fuck is this poster talking about risks and suggesting Auckland in the same breath. 1. Already been there and it was a hell of a failure. 2. Not in the country let alone the same confed. 3. They haven't pulled their weight TV money wise. 4. So far haven't pulled their weight crowd wise. No. Amen brother.
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+x+xWhy the fuck is this poster talking about risks and suggesting Auckland in the same breath. 1. Already been there and it was a hell of a failure. 2. Not in the country let alone the same confed. 3. They haven't pulled their weight TV money wise. 4. So far haven't pulled their weight crowd wise. No. Amen brother. Lol apart from their population, there is nothing to suggest they are a more viable option than anyone else. If you were worried only on the club being viable, you would just go into Melb and Sydney where sponsors would be attracted by derbies
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HortoMagiko
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+x+x+xWhy the fuck is this poster talking about risks and suggesting Auckland in the same breath. 1. Already been there and it was a hell of a failure. 2. Not in the country let alone the same confed. 3. They haven't pulled their weight TV money wise. 4. So far haven't pulled their weight crowd wise. No. Amen brother. Lol apart from their population, there is nothing to suggest they are a more viable option than anyone else. If you were worried only on the club being viable, you would just go into Melb and Sydney where sponsors would be attracted by derbies Its that simple. On the population thing, hong kong has a population of 7 million...and holland has a population of 16 million... both countries have more clubs than us.
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The negative stereotypes are perpetuated by people who either have no idea or are serving a vested interest; neither viewpoint should get anywhere near running Australian football - Ange Postecoglou
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDont want to sound like a naysayer here. But after watching a fair bit of the first two rounds, do we really have enough local talent to fill two teams? We might need to lift the current quota of foreign players to maybe 6-7 because all thats gonna happen is other clubs get drained and we continue to recycle rejected a-league players (most of whom already play for Newcastle or CCM) Maybe cap the playing/game day squad roster to 5, but i think clubs moght struggle to find enough players to dill two more teams. Each with at least 15 australian players. I don't think finding the players is the problem Firstly, you have the visa players Secondly, you poach Aussies from other A-League teams Thirdly, You look at returning name players ie. Holman, Cahill or so on.. Fourthly, you look at Aussie players in Europe and Asia who might be tempted to come home ie, Troisi, Brattan, Oar, & Zullo etc Fifthly, you look at recycling ex A-League players ie. Covic, Stella, Nick Ward etc... Sixthly, you look at Youth league, State League and NPL etc... If you can't find a serviceable squad after all of that then you aren't really trying.... The current set up can only handle a certain amount of teams before the quality gets effected Of course but two teams should easily be doable. I am sure if you made two 'best 11's from the NPL and had 5 foreigners it would make a serviceable squad, let alone adding in players overseas and at other clubs Not discounting the fact that these 11 NPL players will now have the chance to train and play in a professional environment week in week out. Their ability would improve significantly. Gully had this midfielder called Jay Davies who was an utter star that was making both CCM and Knights look like mugs. The guy played like Mooy, covering every inch of the ground and demanding the ball as a marauding playmaker. The whole game I was moaning why can't CCM or NUJ pick up this bloke as he is clearly good enough to play A-League and would be better than half the hacks they sign. Even if you took the 2 best player from the top 6 of NSWNPL and NPLV, you'd have a more than competent squad that could hold it's own. What they need is a pre-season and the full time conditioning that separates the pro's from them. From memory I think he was an English lad? He certainly looked the goods. Maybe the clubs didn't want to use a visa spot on someone playing in the NPL (although he would probably be a better signing then a few of the visa lads running around in the league) People keep talking about these kids who make 1 or 2 great performances in the FFA cup. But now its the 3rd year of the FFA cup. Can someone name 5 players who have come from an NPL club via the ffa cup and is now playing regularly in the a-league? Or the last 5 NPL players playing regularly in the a-league?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDont want to sound like a naysayer here. But after watching a fair bit of the first two rounds, do we really have enough local talent to fill two teams? We might need to lift the current quota of foreign players to maybe 6-7 because all thats gonna happen is other clubs get drained and we continue to recycle rejected a-league players (most of whom already play for Newcastle or CCM) Maybe cap the playing/game day squad roster to 5, but i think clubs moght struggle to find enough players to dill two more teams. Each with at least 15 australian players. I don't think finding the players is the problem Firstly, you have the visa players Secondly, you poach Aussies from other A-League teams Thirdly, You look at returning name players ie. Holman, Cahill or so on.. Fourthly, you look at Aussie players in Europe and Asia who might be tempted to come home ie, Troisi, Brattan, Oar, & Zullo etc Fifthly, you look at recycling ex A-League players ie. Covic, Stella, Nick Ward etc... Sixthly, you look at Youth league, State League and NPL etc... If you can't find a serviceable squad after all of that then you aren't really trying.... The current set up can only handle a certain amount of teams before the quality gets effected Of course but two teams should easily be doable. I am sure if you made two 'best 11's from the NPL and had 5 foreigners it would make a serviceable squad, let alone adding in players overseas and at other clubs Not discounting the fact that these 11 NPL players will now have the chance to train and play in a professional environment week in week out. Their ability would improve significantly. Gully had this midfielder called Jay Davies who was an utter star that was making both CCM and Knights look like mugs. The guy played like Mooy, covering every inch of the ground and demanding the ball as a marauding playmaker. The whole game I was moaning why can't CCM or NUJ pick up this bloke as he is clearly good enough to play A-League and would be better than half the hacks they sign. Even if you took the 2 best player from the top 6 of NSWNPL and NPLV, you'd have a more than competent squad that could hold it's own. What they need is a pre-season and the full time conditioning that separates the pro's from them. From memory I think he was an English lad? He certainly looked the goods. Maybe the clubs didn't want to use a visa spot on someone playing in the NPL (although he would probably be a better signing then a few of the visa lads running around in the league) People keep talking about these kids who make 1 or 2 great performances in the FFA cup. But now its the 3rd year of the FFA cup. Can someone name 5 players who have come from an NPL club via the ffa cup and is now playing regularly in the a-league? Or the last 5 NPL players playing regularly in the a-league? Therein is our problem, and why there does need to be expansion. The coaches of the current A League clubs are not looking at the NPL (generally speaking) and therefore people are not being picked up who could be given a reasonable outing in the A League. Choi, now with Adelaide, is the first player who has made the leap. It'll be interesting to see how he goes and what opportunity he is given.
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+xWhy the fuck is this poster talking about risks and suggesting Auckland in the same breath. 1. Already been there and it was a hell of a failure. 2. Not in the country let alone the same confed. 3. They haven't pulled their weight TV money wise. 4. So far haven't pulled their weight crowd wise. No. But it's New Zealand, the great big "what if" of Australian sport
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KFC BBL|05 NEW ZEALAND COULD FIELD BBL TEAM: VETTORI 25 December 2015 Vettori is keen on a New Zealand BBL franchise // Getty Images bigbash.com.au Cricket Australia not ruling out the possibility of trans-Tasman expansion New Zealand legend Dan Vettori believes his home country could support a KFC Big Bash League team, while Cricket Australia has not ruled out the possibility of expansion across the ditch. http://www.bigbash.com.au/news/new-zealand-big-bash-league-team-mike-mckenna-daniel-vettori/2015-12-25Where ever we having any league of interest the kiwi wolves will be circling.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDont want to sound like a naysayer here. But after watching a fair bit of the first two rounds, do we really have enough local talent to fill two teams? We might need to lift the current quota of foreign players to maybe 6-7 because all thats gonna happen is other clubs get drained and we continue to recycle rejected a-league players (most of whom already play for Newcastle or CCM) Maybe cap the playing/game day squad roster to 5, but i think clubs moght struggle to find enough players to dill two more teams. Each with at least 15 australian players. I don't think finding the players is the problem Firstly, you have the visa players Secondly, you poach Aussies from other A-League teams Thirdly, You look at returning name players ie. Holman, Cahill or so on.. Fourthly, you look at Aussie players in Europe and Asia who might be tempted to come home ie, Troisi, Brattan, Oar, & Zullo etc Fifthly, you look at recycling ex A-League players ie. Covic, Stella, Nick Ward etc... Sixthly, you look at Youth league, State League and NPL etc... If you can't find a serviceable squad after all of that then you aren't really trying.... The current set up can only handle a certain amount of teams before the quality gets effected Of course but two teams should easily be doable. I am sure if you made two 'best 11's from the NPL and had 5 foreigners it would make a serviceable squad, let alone adding in players overseas and at other clubs Not discounting the fact that these 11 NPL players will now have the chance to train and play in a professional environment week in week out. Their ability would improve significantly. Gully had this midfielder called Jay Davies who was an utter star that was making both CCM and Knights look like mugs. The guy played like Mooy, covering every inch of the ground and demanding the ball as a marauding playmaker. The whole game I was moaning why can't CCM or NUJ pick up this bloke as he is clearly good enough to play A-League and would be better than half the hacks they sign. Even if you took the 2 best player from the top 6 of NSWNPL and NPLV, you'd have a more than competent squad that could hold it's own. What they need is a pre-season and the full time conditioning that separates the pro's from them. From memory I think he was an English lad? He certainly looked the goods. Maybe the clubs didn't want to use a visa spot on someone playing in the NPL (although he would probably be a better signing then a few of the visa lads running around in the league) People keep talking about these kids who make 1 or 2 great performances in the FFA cup. But now its the 3rd year of the FFA cup. Can someone name 5 players who have come from an NPL club via the ffa cup and is now playing regularly in the a-league? Or the last 5 NPL players playing regularly in the a-league? Therein is our problem, and why there does need to be expansion. The coaches of the current A League clubs are not looking at the NPL (generally speaking) and therefore people are not being picked up who could be given a reasonable outing in the A League. Choi, now with Adelaide, is the first player who has made the leap. It'll be interesting to see how he goes and what opportunity he is given. It's probably more a reason as to why we need a fully professional second division. Currently there are 90 NPL clubs spread across 8 divisions in Australia. If we get 12-14 of these clubs as a start forming a professional national second division you'll have the best talent from these 90 clubs all playing together. The talent will not be as diluted as it is now. To get a second div up and running isn't hard. To get it professional will need more funds tipped in from the FFA, so if the TV Deal increase is what we are all hoping for this can be a reality.
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+x+x+x[quote]You want less visa players but more jobs for kiwis. I don't.
If your willing to risk expansion into tasmania, geelong, 2nd adelaide etc before considering auckland then you want less jobs for aussies as well. Willing to risk.... pfffft Yes we are willing to risk punishing ourselves w maximising pathways for australian players. Lol. And pray tell why untapped markets are riskier than failed experiments in Auckland. Lol. And geelong is hands down a better option than aukland . And in saying that, there are much better options than geelong in australia. Yeah I'm just going to stop after this, you clearly just want the argument and to be honest I'm not sure why I bothered trying to explain. Yet, I will try one last time to explain my pov: 1. We should CONSIDER the IDEA of another NZ based team. I am not saying they deserve the first expansion spot, but eventually once you get rid of the canberra's and the wollongong's etc, there is surely the need to entertain all possibilities. 2. Its disingenuous of you to say Auckland is still a failed experiment. This was a decade ago, the population has changed, participation has increased (while other traditional sports decline), it would have a potential derby, and major footballing events in Auckland have increased awareness and viewership of football on sky (both A-League and Internationals). For you to say its only benefit is its population is just plain ridiculous, and basing your evidence off a poorly implemented, financed and marketed team who folded a decade ago is shameful. 3. The deal between FFA and sky/Football NZ is up to them to get right, obviously if you can't come to a reasonable agreement then you wouldn't put up another Auckland team. Simple. 4. You want to keep our focus solely on Australia alone and its youth development. I happen to believe like with the MLS, the english FA and all major Australian sports, that tapping into local international markets and having a joint approach to both country's development has great potential to succeed for all parties. We disagree and that will probably never change. 5. Simply put, there are pro's and con's to every expansion candidate, all I am doing is exploring all possibilities. If you still take issue with that then honestly you are part of the problem. The beauty of this is in 6 months if issues come to light with a possible expansion into Auckland, I am happy to say so. I just hope you are as open to that change of heart if the opposite occurs.
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+x+x+x+x[quote]You want less visa players but more jobs for kiwis. I don't.
If your willing to risk expansion into tasmania, geelong, 2nd adelaide etc before considering auckland then you want less jobs for aussies as well. Willing to risk.... pfffft Yes we are willing to risk punishing ourselves w maximising pathways for australian players. Lol. And pray tell why untapped markets are riskier than failed experiments in Auckland. Lol. And geelong is hands down a better option than aukland . And in saying that, there are much better options than geelong in australia. Yeah I'm just going to stop after this, you clearly just want the argument and to be honest I'm not sure why I bothered trying to explain. Yet, I will try one last time to explain my pov: 1. We should CONSIDER the IDEA of another NZ based team. I am not saying they deserve the first expansion spot, but eventually once you get rid of the canberra's and the wollongong's etc, there is surely the need to entertain all possibilities. 2. Its disingenuous of you to say Auckland is still a failed experiment. This was a decade ago, the population has changed, participation has increased (while other traditional sports decline), it would have a potential derby, and major footballing events in Auckland have increased awareness and viewership of football on sky (both A-League and Internationals). For you to say its only benefit is its population is just plain ridiculous, and basing your evidence off a poorly implemented, financed and marketed team who folded a decade ago is shameful. 3. The deal between FFA and sky/Football NZ is up to them to get right, obviously if you can't come to a reasonable agreement then you wouldn't put up another Auckland team. Simple. 4. You want to keep our focus solely on Australia alone and its youth development. I happen to believe like with the MLS, the english FA and all major Australian sports, that tapping into local international markets and having a joint approach to both country's development has great potential to succeed for all parties. We disagree and that will probably never change. 5. Simply put, there are pro's and con's to every expansion candidate, all I am doing is exploring all possibilities. If you still take issue with that then honestly you are part of the problem. The beauty of this is in 6 months if issues come to light with a possible expansion into Auckland, I am happy to say so. I just hope you are as open to that change of heart if the opposite occurs. Expanding to NZ is against Asian Football Federation wishes. When NZ joins the future east Asian football federation sky NZ can fund 2 teams from NZ.
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+x+x+x+x+x[quote]You want less visa players but more jobs for kiwis. I don't.
If your willing to risk expansion into tasmania, geelong, 2nd adelaide etc before considering auckland then you want less jobs for aussies as well. Willing to risk.... pfffft Yes we are willing to risk punishing ourselves w maximising pathways for australian players. Lol. And pray tell why untapped markets are riskier than failed experiments in Auckland. Lol. And geelong is hands down a better option than aukland . And in saying that, there are much better options than geelong in australia. Yeah I'm just going to stop after this, you clearly just want the argument and to be honest I'm not sure why I bothered trying to explain. Yet, I will try one last time to explain my pov: 1. We should CONSIDER the IDEA of another NZ based team. I am not saying they deserve the first expansion spot, but eventually once you get rid of the canberra's and the wollongong's etc, there is surely the need to entertain all possibilities. 2. Its disingenuous of you to say Auckland is still a failed experiment. This was a decade ago, the population has changed, participation has increased (while other traditional sports decline), it would have a potential derby, and major footballing events in Auckland have increased awareness and viewership of football on sky (both A-League and Internationals). For you to say its only benefit is its population is just plain ridiculous, and basing your evidence off a poorly implemented, financed and marketed team who folded a decade ago is shameful. 3. The deal between FFA and sky/Football NZ is up to them to get right, obviously if you can't come to a reasonable agreement then you wouldn't put up another Auckland team. Simple. 4. You want to keep our focus solely on Australia alone and its youth development. I happen to believe like with the MLS, the english FA and all major Australian sports, that tapping into local international markets and having a joint approach to both country's development has great potential to succeed for all parties. We disagree and that will probably never change. 5. Simply put, there are pro's and con's to every expansion candidate, all I am doing is exploring all possibilities. If you still take issue with that then honestly you are part of the problem. The beauty of this is in 6 months if issues come to light with a possible expansion into Auckland, I am happy to say so. I just hope you are as open to that change of heart if the opposite occurs. Expanding to NZ is against Asian Football Federation wishes. When NZ joins the future east Asian football federation sky NZ can fund 2 teams from NZ. NZ are stuck in Oceania, unless all teams come to Asia. I dont see why the AFC would allow in another country that could potentially take a spot away from a middle eastern team in the wc.
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HortoMagiko
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+x+x+x+x[quote]You want less visa players but more jobs for kiwis. I don't.
If your willing to risk expansion into tasmania, geelong, 2nd adelaide etc before considering auckland then you want less jobs for aussies as well. Willing to risk.... pfffft Yes we are willing to risk punishing ourselves w maximising pathways for australian players. Lol. And pray tell why untapped markets are riskier than failed experiments in Auckland. Lol. And geelong is hands down a better option than aukland . And in saying that, there are much better options than geelong in australia. Yeah I'm just going to stop after this, you clearly just want the argument and to be honest I'm not sure why I bothered trying to explain. Yet, I will try one last time to explain my pov: 1. We should CONSIDER the IDEA of another NZ based team. I am not saying they deserve the first expansion spot, but eventually once you get rid of the canberra's and the wollongong's etc, there is surely the need to entertain all possibilities. 2. Its disingenuous of you to say Auckland is still a failed experiment. This was a decade ago, the population has changed, participation has increased (while other traditional sports decline), it would have a potential derby, and major footballing events in Auckland have increased awareness and viewership of football on sky (both A-League and Internationals). For you to say its only benefit is its population is just plain ridiculous, and basing your evidence off a poorly implemented, financed and marketed team who folded a decade ago is shameful. 3. The deal between FFA and sky/Football NZ is up to them to get right, obviously if you can't come to a reasonable agreement then you wouldn't put up another Auckland team. Simple. 4. You want to keep our focus solely on Australia alone and its youth development. I happen to believe like with the MLS, the english FA and all major Australian sports, that tapping into local international markets and having a joint approach to both country's development has great potential to succeed for all parties. We disagree and that will probably never change. 5. Simply put, there are pro's and con's to every expansion candidate, all I am doing is exploring all possibilities. If you still take issue with that then honestly you are part of the problem. The beauty of this is in 6 months if issues come to light with a possible expansion into Auckland, I am happy to say so. I just hope you are as open to that change of heart if the opposite occurs. Lol. Please dont attempt to reduce my logical and concise points to i just want an argument. Youre being disingenous about WPFC/WELLNIX/NZFA agendas. Youve tried to casually pull the wool over our eyes. Aus football public arent that daft unfortunately. 1. We should never consider a foreign team imo. Especially not when we have more than ample viable expansion options in australia. Its lunacy truth be told. 2. Youre wrong. A failed experiment is a failed experiment. I personally didnt make aukland fail. I dont understand how im being disingenous. The knights were an disaster Youre asking us to revisit a disaster. Understand that. " For you to say its only benefit is its population is just plain ridiculous, and basing your evidence off a poorly implemented, financed and marketed team who folded a decade ago is shameful."
Lol. I didnt say that about popualtion. Get your facts straight. On the contrary. I said the population thing is a red herring. I said Hong kong and holland have smaller populations than Australia and yet they both respectively have more clubs than us. The nz popukation thing is a bunch of bs. We have more than sufficient population for more teams as evidenced by my examples. 3. We agree nz sky offer no ROI. 4. Youre citing englsih fa/wales incusion...and mls/canada inclusion.... same confeds.... nz and asia different confeds. Youre using a convienient albeit flawed example. Wake and smell the mung beans... aus is in asia,. Nz isnt. 5. Now Im a part of the problem in your eyes bc i want expansion in my own country? No mate youre part of the nz football existential problem. The nix live in a grey area. Their mere existence is an aberration and to go further down the nz road is simply bad business practice. If aukland comes up as an expansion options in 6 months, then heads should roll at ffa. Its an absurd argument for expansion. Wellington fc, their coach and nzfa are on record stating their agenda is for the furthering of nz football and the all whites. I dont see why a second nz team would change that... in fact i can only see this problem being exacerbated by auklands inclusion. Our admins agenda should be soley focused on the betterment of Australian football.
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Anyone know if South West Sydney/Campbelltown-Macarthur are bidding for the next licence. I know the council was open to the idea a few years ago with support from Emerton. Would be a great idea IMO, new airport being built with added infrastructure, fastest growing region of Sydney in terms of houses as its the only semi affordable area left in Sydney so plenty of room for the fan base to grow with several housing estates being built, Campbelltown Stadium is a decent rectangular stadium that fits 20 000 and is used maybe 3-4 times a year , only area of Sydney not yet represented and wont impact WSW too much as Parramatta about 45 min away, reasonable public transport. If WSW took north of Liverpool to the Hills and west to Penrith that is still plenty of room for the new South West Sydney team to take from Liverpool (Population: 180 000) south to Bargo (Macarthur region Population: 280 000) and west to the oaks and potentially east to Bankstown (Bankstown population 203 000). You wouldn't even need to really go as far as Bankstown as this would be a long term project for a team to grow with its region that has a starting population of 460 000 (Liverpool and Macarthur) to build from. It will also supply 6 derbies a year, is in Sydney TV zone, corporate sponsors easier to come by due to being in a major city. Whilst the region sounds like a great idea and ticks all of the boxes, it would obviously be dependant on the financial model that any potential owner presents, and would need to be done like WSW with fan forums. It does have the potential to be as successful as WSW if done properly though.
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+xAnyone know if South West Sydney/Campbelltown-Macarthur are bidding for the next licence. I know the council was open to the idea a few years ago with support from Emerton. Would be a great idea IMO, new airport being built with added infrastructure, fastest growing region of Sydney in terms of houses as its the only semi affordable area left in Sydney so plenty of room for the fan base to grow with several housing estates being built, decent rectangular stadium that fits 20 000 and is used maybe 3-4 times a year , only area of Sydney not yet represented and wont impact WSW too much as Parramatta about 45 min away, reasonable public transport. If WSW took north of Liverpool to the Hills and west to Penrith that is still plenty of room for the new South West Sydney team to take from Liverpool (Population: 180 000) south to Bargo (Macarthur region Population: 280 000) and west to the oaks and potentially east to Bankstown (Bankstown population 203 000). You wouldn't even need to really go as far as Bankstown as this would be a long term project for a team to grow with its region that has a starting population of 460 000 (Liverpool and Macarthur) to build from. It will also supply 6 derbies a year, is in Sydney TV zone, corporate sponsors easier to come by due to being in a major city. Whilst the region sounds like a great idea and ticks all of the boxes, it would obviously be dependant on the financial model that any potential owner presents, and would need to be done like WSW with fan forums. It does have the potential to be as successful as WSW if done properly though. The only issue being they are already Wanderers fans, but put a club closer to home and Campbelltown/Liverpool would work I think. Bankstown is too far
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+x+xAnyone know if South West Sydney/Campbelltown-Macarthur are bidding for the next licence. I know the council was open to the idea a few years ago with support from Emerton. Would be a great idea IMO, new airport being built with added infrastructure, fastest growing region of Sydney in terms of houses as its the only semi affordable area left in Sydney so plenty of room for the fan base to grow with several housing estates being built, decent rectangular stadium that fits 20 000 and is used maybe 3-4 times a year , only area of Sydney not yet represented and wont impact WSW too much as Parramatta about 45 min away, reasonable public transport. If WSW took north of Liverpool to the Hills and west to Penrith that is still plenty of room for the new South West Sydney team to take from Liverpool (Population: 180 000) south to Bargo (Macarthur region Population: 280 000) and west to the oaks and potentially east to Bankstown (Bankstown population 203 000). You wouldn't even need to really go as far as Bankstown as this would be a long term project for a team to grow with its region that has a starting population of 460 000 (Liverpool and Macarthur) to build from. It will also supply 6 derbies a year, is in Sydney TV zone, corporate sponsors easier to come by due to being in a major city. Whilst the region sounds like a great idea and ticks all of the boxes, it would obviously be dependant on the financial model that any potential owner presents, and would need to be done like WSW with fan forums. It does have the potential to be as successful as WSW if done properly though. The only issue being they are already Wanderers fans, but put a club closer to home and Campbelltown/Liverpool would work I think. Bankstown is too far Bankstown, lakemba etc would rather associate themselves with a team from the south basing themselves at kogarah or st george than a team from the south-west in campbelltown. potential for a south-west team however i couldnt see it happening until atleast after the south and north has a team. of course im not in that catchment but it just feels relying on macarthur and badgerys creek alone wont be enough
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+x+x+xAnyone know if South West Sydney/Campbelltown-Macarthur are bidding for the next licence. I know the council was open to the idea a few years ago with support from Emerton. Would be a great idea IMO, new airport being built with added infrastructure, fastest growing region of Sydney in terms of houses as its the only semi affordable area left in Sydney so plenty of room for the fan base to grow with several housing estates being built, decent rectangular stadium that fits 20 000 and is used maybe 3-4 times a year , only area of Sydney not yet represented and wont impact WSW too much as Parramatta about 45 min away, reasonable public transport. If WSW took north of Liverpool to the Hills and west to Penrith that is still plenty of room for the new South West Sydney team to take from Liverpool (Population: 180 000) south to Bargo (Macarthur region Population: 280 000) and west to the oaks and potentially east to Bankstown (Bankstown population 203 000). You wouldn't even need to really go as far as Bankstown as this would be a long term project for a team to grow with its region that has a starting population of 460 000 (Liverpool and Macarthur) to build from. It will also supply 6 derbies a year, is in Sydney TV zone, corporate sponsors easier to come by due to being in a major city. Whilst the region sounds like a great idea and ticks all of the boxes, it would obviously be dependant on the financial model that any potential owner presents, and would need to be done like WSW with fan forums. It does have the potential to be as successful as WSW if done properly though. The only issue being they are already Wanderers fans, but put a club closer to home and Campbelltown/Liverpool would work I think. Bankstown is too far Bankstown, lakemba etc would rather associate themselves with a team from the south basing themselves at kogarah or st george than a team from the south-west in campbelltown. potential for a south-west team however i couldnt see it happening until atleast after the south and north has a team. of course im not in that catchment but it just feels relying on macarthur and badgerys creek alone wont be enough I don't think so. Culturally, a team from Western Sydney would suit residents more than a team from Kogarah/St George. I speak from my experience living in Bankstown, Parramatta and working in the Shire which is close to Kogarah and St George. People in Kogarah and St George would mostly support Sydney FC.
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+x+x+xAnyone know if South West Sydney/Campbelltown-Macarthur are bidding for the next licence. I know the council was open to the idea a few years ago with support from Emerton. Would be a great idea IMO, new airport being built with added infrastructure, fastest growing region of Sydney in terms of houses as its the only semi affordable area left in Sydney so plenty of room for the fan base to grow with several housing estates being built, decent rectangular stadium that fits 20 000 and is used maybe 3-4 times a year , only area of Sydney not yet represented and wont impact WSW too much as Parramatta about 45 min away, reasonable public transport. If WSW took north of Liverpool to the Hills and west to Penrith that is still plenty of room for the new South West Sydney team to take from Liverpool (Population: 180 000) south to Bargo (Macarthur region Population: 280 000) and west to the oaks and potentially east to Bankstown (Bankstown population 203 000). You wouldn't even need to really go as far as Bankstown as this would be a long term project for a team to grow with its region that has a starting population of 460 000 (Liverpool and Macarthur) to build from. It will also supply 6 derbies a year, is in Sydney TV zone, corporate sponsors easier to come by due to being in a major city. Whilst the region sounds like a great idea and ticks all of the boxes, it would obviously be dependant on the financial model that any potential owner presents, and would need to be done like WSW with fan forums. It does have the potential to be as successful as WSW if done properly though. The only issue being they are already Wanderers fans, but put a club closer to home and Campbelltown/Liverpool would work I think. Bankstown is too far Bankstown, lakemba etc would rather associate themselves with a team from the south basing themselves at kogarah or st george than a team from the south-west in campbelltown. potential for a south-west team however i couldnt see it happening until atleast after the south and north has a team. of course im not in that catchment but it just feels relying on macarthur and badgerys creek alone wont be enough I can see both a Southern Sydney team and a South West Sydney team before a northern team. A Southern Sydney team will take some support of SFC and will force them to work harder to be the team for all of Eastern Sydney, including the Northern Suburbs, the Forest area and the Northern beaches. In the same way a South West Sydney team looking at everything south of Liverpool and Wallacia all the way down to Bargo will force WSW to concentrate on the west and north west.
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This Paddy bloke pushing Auckland is suss. The Daily Football Show had Greg O'Rourke on this week and he is saying that he keeps getting Unsolicited Propositions from a so called Auckland Bid Consortium?
Is Paddy part of this push?
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Oh and my usual comments RE: NZ inclusion apply. It is an attempt to pull wool (literally) over one's eyes.
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+x+x+x+xplaces with a suitable stadium that could be part of next expansion phase: canberra wollongong southern sydney (kogarah or cronulla stadiums, however ideally at st george) south-west sydney (campbelltown stadium) auckland (mt smart)
canberra places with an unsuitable stadiium ie. too big or oval shaped: north sydney (north sydney oval) geelong places with no suitable stadium: brisbane strikers 2nd adelaide (sharing a 15k stadium would be a farce) 2nd perth (unless sharing) Im constantly surprised that another NZ team gets constantly overlooked. They have a couple of really quality boutique stadiums in cities all 300k plus. And a team in auckland again would not be the same as the first time around, another NZ team for derbies and the recent football exposure and surging participation numbers in NZ makes it a prime candidate. The biggest issue for Auckland is the general resentment against having another NZ team, which I personally can't understand. Its pretty easy to understand. We arent here to develop nz football and fund nzfa. We jeed more pathways for Australian players... we need more clubs w an australian agenda....naturally. Between NZ knights and the nix, 38 Australian players have had 1st team football opportunities. the fact that aussies still count as home country players kind of proves the shared NZ/AUS agenda. And a stronger new zealand football community actually does benefit us, as does the development of any countries in our immediate region. Just take a look at the MLS initially funding and advocating for more canadian teams... I will shoot you down right there. Canadian FA might block 3 x MLS teams. See here http://forum.insidesport.com.au/2432203/Canadian-MLS-Visa-Dispute-Eerily-Similar-to-Some-ALeague-Issues
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+x+xWhy the fuck is this poster talking about risks and suggesting Auckland in the same breath. 1. Already been there and it was a hell of a failure. 2. Not in the country let alone the same confed. 3. They haven't pulled their weight TV money wise. 4. So far haven't pulled their weight crowd wise. No. Amen brother. X2.
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+x+x+x+x[quote]You want less visa players but more jobs for kiwis. I don't.
If your willing to risk expansion into tasmania, geelong, 2nd adelaide etc before considering auckland then you want less jobs for aussies as well. Willing to risk.... pfffft Yes we are willing to risk punishing ourselves w maximising pathways for australian players. Lol. And pray tell why untapped markets are riskier than failed experiments in Auckland. Lol. And geelong is hands down a better option than aukland . And in saying that, there are much better options than geelong in australia. Yeah I'm just going to stop after this, you clearly just want the argument and to be honest I'm not sure why I bothered trying to explain. Yet, I will try one last time to explain my pov: 1. We should CONSIDER the IDEA of another NZ based team. I am not saying they deserve the first expansion spot, but eventually once you get rid of the canberra's and the wollongong's etc, there is surely the need to entertain all possibilities. 2. Its disingenuous of you to say Auckland is still a failed experiment. This was a decade ago, the population has changed, participation has increased (while other traditional sports decline), it would have a potential derby, and major footballing events in Auckland have increased awareness and viewership of football on sky (both A-League and Internationals). For you to say its only benefit is its population is just plain ridiculous, and basing your evidence off a poorly implemented, financed and marketed team who folded a decade ago is shameful. 3. The deal between FFA and sky/Football NZ is up to them to get right, obviously if you can't come to a reasonable agreement then you wouldn't put up another Auckland team. Simple. 4. You want to keep our focus solely on Australia alone and its youth development. I happen to believe like with the MLS, the english FA and all major Australian sports, that tapping into local international markets and having a joint approach to both country's development has great potential to succeed for all parties. We disagree and that will probably never change. 5. Simply put, there are pro's and con's to every expansion candidate, all I am doing is exploring all possibilities. If you still take issue with that then honestly you are part of the problem. The beauty of this is in 6 months if issues come to light with a possible expansion into Auckland, I am happy to say so. I just hope you are as open to that change of heart if the opposite occurs. The population has changed in Auckland? The farrrk does that have to anything! Have 200,000 football-hungry fans moved into Auckland or something? Melbourne is growing currently at 90,000. Roads and infrastructure can't keep up with that rate of growth. What fraud are you trying to sell paddy?
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+x+xI was just thinking, what is everyones thoughts on Red Bull starting up a franchise/buying an NPL team for admittance to the HAL? Which realistic regions/teams would be most receptive to this sort of ownership? CFG has done wonders in Melb, so maybe it's a way of replicating that success by having another large football group involved in the league I think red bulls missed their chance with the Jets: http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3013539/opinion-red-bull-could-give-jets-back-their-wings/I'd argue their only reasonable chance would be an expansion team or the nix Yeah the Red Bull owners are just dying to sell their product to those 2500 Nix Members.
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+xThis Paddy bloke pushing Auckland is suss. The Daily Football Show had Greg O'Rourke on this week and he is saying that he keeps getting Unsolicited Propositions from a so called Auckland Bid Consortium? Is Paddy part of this push? You could be right, after all FourFourTwo members generally choose which expansion team will be next, so he's come to the right place.
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+x+xThis Paddy bloke pushing Auckland is suss. The Daily Football Show had Greg O'Rourke on this week and he is saying that he keeps getting Unsolicited Propositions from a so called Auckland Bid Consortium? Is Paddy part of this push? You could be right, after all FourFourTwo members generally choose which expansion team will be next, so he's come to the right place. I don't think Greg O-Rourke has heard of this forum. Paddy might be part of an Auckland bunch designed "to get the public onside". Again, more PR bluff and bluster from NZ. How long will this fraud on Australian Soccer continue?
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I can't quote people on my phone, but as a resident in the Bankstown area I have to agree with one of the above posts, I find it unlikely in the extreme that people from Bankstown would be into a Southern Sydney team.
I think a SW Sydney team is a great idea though. Appropriately sized stadium, an NPL club to piggyback onto (also with its own new facilities), train line serves the area fairly well, junior participation numbers, a growth area, still in the TV zone, creates a Western derby. Does cannibalise WSW support but so does a South Sydney team to SFC.
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+xI can't quote people on my phone, but as a resident in the Bankstown area I have to agree with one of the above posts, I find it unlikely in the extreme that people from Bankstown would be into a Southern Sydney team. I think a SW Sydney team is a great idea though. Appropriately sized stadium, an NPL club to piggyback onto (also with its own new facilities), train line serves the area fairly well, junior participation numbers, a growth area, still in the TV zone, creates a Western derby. Does cannibalise WSW support but so does a South Sydney team to SFC. I have stated many times, I think WSW will sell out the new stadium. That will leave fans in the region unable to attend so do think it is such a big. Perhaps they would lose some merch sales but the benefits with a SWS would be worth more imo.
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A team based in Liverpool is ideal. Sutherland won't work long term, it's insular geographically (and culturally) and there is no room to grow. The only thing going for it is it has a boutique stadium.
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+xI can't quote people on my phone, but as a resident in the Bankstown area I have to agree with one of the above posts, I find it unlikely in the extreme that people from Bankstown would be into a Southern Sydney team. I think a SW Sydney team is a great idea though. Appropriately sized stadium, an NPL club to piggyback onto (also with its own new facilities), train line serves the area fairly well, junior participation numbers, a growth area, still in the TV zone, creates a Western derby. Does cannibalise WSW support but so does a South Sydney team to SFC. I used to work with a guy on that was part of the Bankstown football association. He seemed to think that the areas south of Bankstown, mainly those along the Georges River, would be far more likely to split with those Bankstown up to support a side from South Sydney/Sutherland.
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